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@feynhat also $X$ must be hausdorff, in addition to being first countable, for limit point compactness to imply sequential
 
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02:53
@topologicalorientablesurface must? No. As @BalarkaSen said, it suffices if they are T1. (Hausdorff spaces are T1).
@Astyx i've come across it, actually, but remember nothing beyond that
i remember it contains some kind of a phase transition
03:38
@Semiclassical Oh Gosh! You there ?
I think you’re gone
 
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is that the right link?
...
thanks
rip
05:37
Ssshhhh ....
hi @TedShifrin
Hi Leaky
06:00
@TedShifrin hows stay at home
 
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07:14
Isn't there a joke that a group is just a category with a single object?
But "a category with a single object" isn't exactly a group. It's the Hom set of a category with a single object that is a group
07:42
@Perturbative A group is a groupoid with one object
07:52
I've got concerns that Alexander Gruber is going a little overboard with closing questions, even when there is context provided
08:03
@Perturbative The hom-set is a monoid, not a group. But it isn't useful pedantry to point out that a category is formally also the data of the particular one-object set
@Perturbative when they say "is", they mean the categories are equivalent
a group is a category with a single object where every morphism is invertible
or, when they say "is", they mean the data of a group can be captured in a category with a single object
not that the category itself is the group
neither the category nor the hom set is the group
As Leaky says it's analagous to when someone says that a $\Bbb Z$-module is just an Abelian group
the hom set is isomorphic to the original group, but not the same group
08:05
Is it guaranteed this equation results in a whole number if $h$ is a positive odd integer? $v_0 = (2+\sqrt{3})^h+(2- \sqrt{3})^h$
how about, the hom set isn't the group, the hom set with the binary operator and the identity and the inverse is the group
as Mike said, this isn't useful pedantry
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@northerner I can guarantee it, I've checked 100 decimal places
no you can just use binomial theorem
and observe that those terms with $\sqrt3$ cancel out each other
or better, noticing that the two terms are conjugates of each other
so the sum is the trace
this means you don't need $h$ to be odd at all
And in any case that's a terrible definition of group, a group is a group object in Set
or positive even, for that matter
they are inverses of each other
ok thnx
please stop pinging random people.
08:09
Did you read my message above?
I don't care about your message above.
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it's rude to ping random people.
I am not pinging random people, I have a question which I think would be inappropriate to raise on meta
well then why did you ping me twice and then immediately removed the messages?
if not because you know it is socially unacceptable to ping a random person?
I made some typos in writing out the ping
I do understand that Gruber's recent closing spree on the questions is because of the revival of the "missing context" close reason, and Gruber is quite accurate in closing questions. But of course mistakes are made, and a question is closed even when there is some context given
I'm not Gruber
08:16
I know. But I am asking is this getting overboard?
Of course we've got the reopen queue for closed questions, but reopening takes quite a while
I do suspect this will only be a temporary inconvenience as the main close reason is shifted back to "missing context" from "needs details or clarity". But there will be people who desperately need answers
there are rooms to talk about this, like a meta room
nobody here is going to want to talk about this though
i suggest glancing at the chatlogs for tone first to see that the room is a good fit
right then
08:43
Ah thanks for clearing that up @AlessandroCodenotti @MikeMiller@LeakyNun
hmm somehow that pinged me but I couldn't see the orange rectangle
maybe it's because of the lack of space before the ping
09:29
@LeakyNun Good link I am listening to it
You don't have to put chess clickbaits over classical music lol I will listen to good pieces
it's a joke
also it was the wrong headline anyway
09:49
The more I watched the news, the less patience I have for humanity
Heh.
Well said
a person is smart. people are stupid.
If M is closed subspace of Hilbert space H .let x belongs to H , then x+M is closed convex subset of H ?
I wish 2020 is indeed the final year
I do not want anything to stay in this stupid world any longer
not that x is fixed
*note
@Secret are you referring to me ?
09:56
no, I am talking about another conversation stream
oh ok
if M is closed subspace and x is not in the span of the subspace, then x_n+M should converge to some element in H for a sequence x_n that converge to x, so x+M should be closed in H as well.
I am not sure about convexity
ok thanks
If M is not convex to being with how can x+M be? Take x=0
10:13
is every subspace convex ?
else we can choose M to be convex
@AlessandroCodenotti I am thinking in what generality you can write down the end-compactification in a meaningful way
Can't you do it for any topological space?
The set of ends always makes sense, it's just $\varprojlim_{K \subset X} \pi_0(X \setminus K)$. I guess you'd topologize by declaring open set of an end $e$ to be one which contains a connected component of a compact subset of $X$?
Hm, maybe I was too quick, I agree that the ends always make sense and I assumed that would be enough but let's see
I think you need a cofinal subset of the directed system
Aka an exhaustion by compact sets
10:20
wiki says that you want a connected locally connected space for the end compactification to be compact
@BalarkaSen I don't think that's strictly needed, an infinite dimensional Banach space has only one end so you should get the one point compactification even if there is no exhaustion by compact sets
Aha.
nLab says take inverse limit of the topological spaces $K \cup \pi_0(X \setminus K)$ where $\pi_0(X \setminus K)$ is given the discrete topology.
Indexed over compact subsets of $X$
That sounds like it could be horrible
Actually is that true? $\pi_0(\ell^\infty\setminus K)$ is not trivial for all $K$, I can see how to make two components at least
Oh no it's obvious. At most one component is unbounded, hence one end, done
@BalarkaSen D:
What happens if we try to end compactify $\Bbb N$ with the discrete topology?
Surely it's $\{0\} \cup \{1/n\}$
I'm not convinced
Sorry thought you wrote $\Bbb Z$
10:27
That $\pi_0$ is always infinite
Oh, I keep calling $\pi_0$ trivial or infinite when I'm really talking about its rank/generating set
Ah no ok, I agree with you
There's an exhaustion by compact sets $[0, n]$; that's a cofinal subset of the inverse system. The inverse limit of those is $\cdots \to \Bbb N \to \Bbb N$ where each map $\Bbb N \to \Bbb N$ is inclusion by translating by $n$
Yeah exactly
That inverse limit is a point
I should learn how inverse limits work at some point
Hmm I'm trying to think how are the people on wikipedia managing to get a noncompact space from the end compactification
I'm trying to understand the topology on end-compactification in general D;
What the fuck is nlab's definition man
10:31
@BalarkaSen It's clearly the correct way since it generalizes to the end compactification of a site in an ètale Grothendieck topos ffs
Lmao
Ok, so let's see. Their inverse system is $\{K \cup \pi_0(X \setminus K)\}$ where if $K_1 \subset K_2$, the map $K_2 \cup \pi_0(X \setminus K_2) \to K_1 \cup \pi_0(X \setminus K_1)$ is given by: if $x \in K_2$ if it already belongs to $K_1$ send it to $x$ in $K_1$. Otherwise, $x \in K_2 \setminus K_1$ so $x$ belongs to a unique connected component of $X \setminus K_1$. Send it there. And $\pi_0(X \setminus K_2) \to \pi_0(X \setminus K_1)$ there's a natural map as well.
So I take this inverse limit, let's call it $\overline{X}$. What is the natural inclusion map $X \to \overline{X}$?
Define $X \to K \cup \pi_0(X \setminus K)$ by sending a point $x \in X$ to $x \in K$ if $x$ already belonged to $K$, otherwise $x \in X \setminus K$ so send it to the connected component in $\pi_0(X \setminus K)$ it belonged to
This should be a map of $X$ to the inverse system, and by universal property we get a map $X \to \overline{X}$
Why is it an embedding :S
This is hopeless
I don't know, I don't understand this definition at all
@AlessandroCodenotti Surely you need locally compact Hausdorff
Doesn't make sense otherwise
@BalarkaSen That's required to even speak about compactifications I think?
10:40
If you want the space to embed as an open subset in its compactifications at least
$X$ is locally compact Hausdorff iff $X$ embeds as an open subset of a compact Hausdorff space, yes
Spivak, "A Comprehensive Introduction To Differential Geometry" has a sequence of exercises where he gives a reasonable definition and states the compactification result
I will work it out after lunch, maybe you will want to join me
Balarka what you will have in your lunch?
I have an online class in the afternoon, but I'm free after that. I was planning to read some group theory stuff but if those exercises are not too painful I might join
Cool. Yeah they seems straightforward
@Knight Just some rice
Which volume/chapter are they in?
10:47
@BalarkaSen Wow!
Volume 1, chapter 1
Perfect, ordering a copy from the Russian bookstore
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@AlessandroCodenotti Will you be free at your evening ?
I will be needing you for some Set theoretic Combinatorics
Probably, I'm stuck at home because of the virus so it's not like I have much to do. I'm not sure whether I can help you or whether I'm interested, both depends on what you mean by set theoretic combinatorics
Well I mean how to solve a permutation/combination word problem by converting it into set theory problems
I will present an example. If you are not interested I shall not disturb you
11:24
I took a look at Spivak @Balarka, just go ahead and do it if you want!
But I might ask you about it later :P
I'm writing it down in garbology yeah
Perfect, I'll read it later, I have an online class in a few minutes
Cool, enjoy!
11:48
@tightrope I would talk about it more with you, but I have to go to bed now.
12:14
are orthogonal complement and codimension same thing ?
in functional analysis
One is a vector space and the other is a number
Mike answering Mike
rare events
When W is a closed subspace of Hilbert space H then its codimension is the dimension of its orthogonal complement, yes
@mike are dimension of orthogonal complement and codimension same thing ?
oh lol sorry
there can't be two Mikes
12:18
is orthogonal complement of null space of bounded linear functional closed ?
yes
i read my own question and thought Mike has replied as question and i answered it .
12:31
@Mike You can answer this. :) Is the orthogonal complement a closed subspace?
yes
Show it for me
13:12
I know how to prove it. I was asking you to do it as an exercise, since it didn't seem to come to mind immediately for you. But if you've just read the proof there's not much meaning to the exercise
Wow. Even your avatars are similar.
@AlessandroCodenotti lmao.
Hey it's a great bookstore, delivery times are awesome even in the middle of a pandemic! Not to mention the prices
Yup, the prices... the prices are exceedingly reasonable.
The church of copyleft
My religion
13:47
Laplace transform problem whose solution I saw recently on an old question: $$G(s)=e^{-x\sqrt{s}}\leftrightarrow g(t)=\frac{a}{\sqrt{4\pi}}t^{-3/2}e^{-x^2/(4t)}$$
by itself, that's already tough
a->x
14:11
generalization i'm interested in is to replace sqrt(s) with 1/sqrt(s)
and ultimately sqrt(s)->sqrt(s-1+c/s), for reasons
but oof
first one seems tractable, but no idea about second
 
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15:28
Question: a train moves from A to B there are 40 stations between a and b . train stops only at 7 stations find the ways by which train stops such that train stops at no consecutive stations??
I think there are two ways of solving it, one can be done in an intuitive way and then invoking the multiplication theorem. The other method is set theoretic method which is as follows
We need to find 7 out of 40 Where the sample is ordered in a sense that it has the form $( s_1, s_2 , ... s_7)$ with $s_1 + 1 \lt s_2 .... s_6 +1 \lt s_7 $ Where $s_i$ denotes the number of station.
I don’t know how to proceed after that
16:03
@Semiclassical Are you interested in a classical rigid body mechanics ? I got a problem and have solved it, want to know if the science behind the solution is correct
depends on how complicated it is
16:18
There are four homogeneous rods. Each rod has mass mmm and length bbb. The ends of the rods are connected by frictionless hinges such that the rods form a rhombic frame (see the picture). This frame is shaped as square $ABCD $and put at rest on a smooth horizontal table. Then one applies a force $F$ to the hinge $A$ along the diagonal $AC$. Find the acceleration of the point $C$ right after the force was applied
I did a very simple solution, my claim is that the COM of the system will lie at the Center of the square, and angle between position vector and force vector is zero therefore no torque
will take a look
The only motion that will be there is translation, so by Newton’s Law the acceleration of COM is $ a = \frac{F}{4m}$. This acceleration is possessed by each point of the body, hence the point $C$ will have an acceleration of $\frac{F}{4m}$
hmm
at the very first moment, you may be right
i'll have to think about it
Okay,
16:56
is $\mathbb{F}_3$ a field with 3 elements or the integers mod 3?
my lecturer hasn't defined what $\mathbb{F}_m$ is , but is using the properties of integers modulo m
if integers mod m then obviously m must be prime
There is exactly one finite field with $m$ elements of $m$ is a prime power, and none if $m$ is composite (or 1)
We denote that unique field by $\Bbb F_{p^k}$
The unique field with $p$ elements $\Bbb F_p$ is isomorphic as rings to $\Bbb Z/p$
People write $\Bbb F_p$ when they want to think of it as being a field, usually
Oh, in a later on chapter, the lecturer said we define $\mathbb{F}_p$ where is prime to be $\mathbb{Z}_p$
@MikeMiller oh okay, I see. They're isomorphic
That's how you construct the field with $p$ elements. Getting the other finite fields are harder
17:03
thanks @MikeMiller
@topologicalorientablesurface Right, and by a canonical isomorphism too (the one that sends 1 to 1). So they're indistinguishable no matter how someone defines $\Bbb F_p$ (for instance, as "the unique field with $p$ elements")
17:14
@MikeMiller now, this is just carrying intuition , but in $\mathbb{F}_p[x]$, if $g(x)$ $g(x)$ is monic with solutions $x_1,x_2....,x_n$ then $g(x)=(x-x_1)(x-x_2)...(x-x_n)$, right?
Not necessarily, polynomials over finite fields are not determined by their values
Like $x^4+x^3+x^2+x\in\Bbb F_2[x]$ is monic with roots $0$ and $1$, but it is different from $(x-1)x$
Let $F$ be a field, and consider $F[x]$. Fix $f\in F[x]$. $F[x]/(f)$ is a field if and only if $f$ is irreducible in $F[x]$. This is because $F$ is euclidean domain and so $PID$ that is not a field, and so $(f)$ is maximal, so f ought to be irreducible in pids that are not fields, right?
Oh @AlessandroCodenotti
17:35
In a PID $R$, an element $x\in R$ is irred. iff $(x)$ is maximal with the sole exception of the case $x=0$ and $R$ being a field
17:53
what is an operator
whatever you want it to be
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Q: Representations of Finite Groups and Weak Containment

user193319I am trying to prove the following: Let $G$ be a finite group and let $\pi : G \to U(\mathcal{H})$ and $\rho : G \to U(\mathcal{K})$ be irreducible unitary representations. If $\pi$ is weakly contained in $\rho$, then $\pi$ is contained in $\rho$. I am allowed to use the following fact: ...

@Thorgott so I can say okay I define an operator that takes a function as input and outputs another function?
you can define a function that does that and if you feel like it, you can call it an operator
I don't see why not @geocalc33
17:58
the word operator doesn't really have a canonical definition
oh I see
the word canonical doesn't have a canonical definition
I'm trying to understand something
neither does the word understand
So if you have an infinite number of operators
like 1^x and 2^x and so forth and so on
and you sum them up
it's a completely different object
18:07
you don't have a canonical self
yeah
facts
I feel like once one defines an operator
there's no going back
you either die a mathematician or live long enough to define an operator
@geocalc33 if you define it in one way then you need to be consistent with using it.
@topologicalorientablesurface okay
i mean, that's not really special to operators
18:16
facts
if you define X in one way, you'd better use it according to that definition unless and until you state that you're changing the definition
here's what I fail to understand
Let $R$ be a ring with unity, consider $f(x)\in R[x]$,. Then, for all $c\in R$, there exists unique $q(x),r(x)\in R[x]$ such that $f=(x-c)q+r$.
this should be $c\in R\backslash \{ 0\}$
right?
no, $c \in R$
how do you linearize a power series
18:27
take the linear term and the constant term
no, I mean how do you linearize a $p-$ series. I remember in calc 2, for example, $f(p):=\sum n^{-p}$
of course this is assuming $f(p)$ is an inherently nonlinaer object
what does it mean to linearize
i'd assume the approximation $L(p)=f(p_0)+f'(p_0)(p-p_0)$ for the linear approximation about $p=p_0$
absent any other context
so, for instance, if you wanted to study $p$-series with $p\approx 2$, you'd get $L(p)=\sum_n n^{-2}-2\sum_{n} n^{-3}(p-2)$
so the taylor series
18:42
absent any other meaning, yes
what on earth is a $p$-series
I'm thinking of trying to linearize $f(p)$ under an operator
to make the function more linear
@Leaky: That's the usual term for $\sum_n n^{-p}$.
Dirichlet series?
Well, not in second-semester calculus.
18:47
oh, I seem to remember it being called a $p$-series now
like the $p$-series test
Righto.
Related to the integral test, comparison, limit-comparison, etc.
8 hours ago, by Alessandro Codenotti
Perfect, ordering a copy from the Russian bookstore
I got this joke way too late
I don't know, can you embed a p-series in a more natural space?
zeta reacc only
oh boy this discussion is heading to the adeles
what's zeta reacc?
18:50
@LeakyNun And you call me slow!
what's an adele
you know, the singer
smacks Leaky
Forbid this arithmetic question, but does "E(X^2)" mean getting the average of every squared unit in a set? E({1, 4, 9, 16}) rather than E({1, 2, 3, 4}), I suppose?
this is not an arithmetic question
but yeah
so (1+4+9+16)/4
my jokes going over their head like something over something
Like the head of the "i" in something over the body of the "i" something.
oh class field theory
yawn
guys, say we have smooth curve $\gamma$, can we then associate a vector field $X$ to it? that is, $\gamma'(t)=X_{\gamma(t)}$
(if not, is there a simple counter example?)
oh boy are we in manifolds land
18:56
how the turn tables
how do you differentiate a curve
@LeakyNun with the push forward
so, $\gamma'(t)=d\gamma_t(d/dt_t)$
didn't you just define the vector field
no
the vector field has to be defined on the whole manifold
you said "to it"
so I interpreted "it" as the smooth curve
18:58
right, my bad
I guess it's only possible locally
@Sha: It's only a vector field on the curve. You may not be able to extend outside.
but do you have a simple counter-example @TedShifrin
To what? Sorry, I've been on the phone and only just returned.
an example of a vector field to a curve that is not extendable
the very question you're answering
19:09
What if the curve spirals in to the origin and you have the unit tangent vector to the curve?
If the curve has a tubular neighborhood, you can extend.
oh no I interpreted it to be closed
yea, idd
so $\gamma\colon[a,b]\to M$
Boundary points are not good.
$\gamma: S^1 \to M$
embedding
Then you have a tubular neighborhood, and you can extend globally with a partition of unity argument.
19:11
yeah is it a classical theorem
by Morse or something
or is there an easy argument
What's a classical theorem?
like a hard theorem
lol
that you would find in the papers of 1950's
like how a homeomorphism of R^3 preserves orientation iff there's a (word i forgot) from the identity to that homeomorphism
isotopy or something
I have no idea what you're talking about.
why do we have a tubular neighbourhood?
This is a straightforward argument in Guillemin & Pollack, for example. Particularly easy when the manifold is compact.
It's an application of the inverse function theorem.
Like most things with manifolds.
19:20
@LeakyNun Tubular neighborhoods of loops in a manifold is easy, even topologically
alright, I'm gonna try to understand why it can be done locally
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Q: Extension of Vector field along a curve always exists?

userLet $c:I\to M$ be a $C^{\infty}$ curve on smooth manifold $M$ of dimension $n$ and $X:I\to TM$ be a vector field along $c$, $$\forall t\in I\qquad X(t)\in T_{c(t)}M.$$ does there exist a vector field $\bar{X}:M \to TM$ such that $X=\bar{X}\circ c$?

in this proof, why are they invoking the global rank thm?
that is, why do they want a specific coordinate representation of $c$
(@Alessandro) It follows from a push-pull argument that neighborhood of a locally tame loop in a topological manifold is always a $D^n$-bundle over $S^1$
Local tameness is important, otherwise you have wild knots
A small enough neighbourhood?
Hi, a @Balarka.
19:26
This is easier than the codim 1 thing we were trying to do, because you can periodically extend "horizontally"
the direction of the loop is the direction we are straightening
Not the normal direction
Hi @Ted
I'm dwindling on whether I should write a long comment in my topology google classroom proving Tychonoff's theorem using nets
will it be considered spam
adeles are firmly in the "nope, no f'n idea" realm for me
use filters
I have to at some point
19:37
they're firmly in my "I know just enough about them to know I don't know s***"
It's not a pure nets proof
category
I use the ultrafilter lemma somewhere
Can anyone recommended an algebraic number theory book which includes an introduction to Galois cohomology and makes use of it?
@BalarkaSen did you see the Terry Tao article on solitons I linked?
19:37
Galois Cohomology: A Geometrical Approach
I did but it's too hard for me
I mean, Cassels-Fröhlich? @JamalS
I found a better reference by Terng and Uhlenbeck
you might find it interesting
honestly, most of it is for me too
19:38
it's super accessible
oh, nice
speaking of I never finished the Backlund calculation
I did appreciate seeing Tao talking about inverse scattering method which I took an intereest in at one point
shucks too much to do
he also references "modulation equations" at one point, which I believe is in reference to Whitham's modulation theory
which is something i -really- wanted to understand at ont point and failed entirely
for context from a random ref: "The Whitham modulation theory provides an asymptotic method for studying slowly varying periodic waves, and is essentially a nonlinear WKB theory."
19:40
@BalarkaSen I dísçövèred the întérñãtiönäl keyboard today
Lmao Nice
it's very cóñvènïent
well, WKB as applied to QM = semiclassical analysis
Bäcklund is just B"acklund
you should get it
so you can see why it'd be interesting to me
19:42
Makes sense, @Semiclassical
yeah
but it always kicked my butt
@LeakyNun Looking through the contents it seems to have everything I need. Would you say it's sufficiently pedagogic and accessible today? I see it's from the 60's
and in general I find that -deriving- asymptotic expansions is always more of a headache than applying them
19:44
what does the morse code say in the beginning
@LeakyNun Nice troll
"VVVV AN RKO RADIO PICTURE VVVV" according to google
@Leaky is fixated on Morse today.
@Knight i think i'm skeptical of that approach. suppose we applied it to the following variation on that exercise: while applying the force to point A, apply the same force in the opposite direction to point C
the net force is zero, so the center of mass will certainly stay where it started (center of the square)
and therefore there's no torque about the center of mass
however, it's not the case that the four points have equal accelerations
points A and C will accelerate away from the center, while points B and D will accelerate towards the center (in each case, the accelerations of A/C and B/D are equal in magnitude but opposite in direction)
so as to ensure that the acceleration of the COM is zero
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