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Does anybody know how to smooth out the Ricci scalar R (for a 2D surface) that diverges when it approaches a hypersurface H (i.e. I am thinking of decreasing the Ricci scalar when it gets closer to H, then passes H smoothly, and then I could increase R again)? The metric tensor has the following form: g=E(u,v)(du)^2+G(u,v)(dv)^2.
00:24
$\mathbb{Z}_12$ is a maximal ideal right? I'm not sure why I've been told it isnt
what is $\mathbb{Z}_12$?
$\mathbb{Z}_n$ can sometimes refer to the cyclic group of $n$ elements and sometimes refer to the $n-$adic integers
In either case, if it's an ideal, it must be contained in a ring. It might be a maximal ideal of that ring, or it might not. We need more context
(Actually, I'm not sure if the $n-$adic integers are a ring. I'm not familiar enough with them)
00:50
@topologicalorientablesurface If you mean $(12)\subset\Bbb Z$, no, it's neither prime nor maximal.
@LeakyNun I just read about this on FB. It's happening at universities all over the country.
Particularly horrible for foreign students such as you.
@TedShifrin oh well
Yeah, that's pretty rough, Leaky. I just remembered that you're a first year student there, right?
There have been rumors that my university is going to close down after spring break for a week, too. But it's pretty strongly indicated that, if we do shut down, we'll be expected to continue working online.
I'm a third year exchange student there
Ah, so a different sort of situation
01:07
@LeakyNun :O
a new form of March Madness
01:23
Hello. There's a bounty of mine running out of time. It's not something I think I can answer myself without help but I reckon some of the right people could if they wanted. Here it is:
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ShaunThis is Exercise II.6 of Mac Lane and Moerdijk's, "Sheaves in Geometry and Logic [. . .]". According to the first few pages of this Approach0 search, it is new to MSE. The Details: The functors $\Lambda$ and $\Gamma$ are discussed in the following: Just what is Mac Lane & Moerdijk's $\Lambda$...

I think I have to find the terminal object (binary products, equaliser, resp.) of the domains of each of $\Gamma$, $\Lambda$, and the associated sheaf functor then show that they each map them to that (terminal object, binary products, equaliser, resp.) of their codomains.
01:37
Sorry, the whole ring is excluded from the definition of maximal ideals given. A subtlety I didn't realize until now.
Anyways, $Z_n$ is the quotient of the integers wrt the principal ideal, (n). The integers modulo n.
02:23
Ah, yeah, $\mathbb{Z}_n$ as a ring is an ideal in itself, but, as you say, a maximal ideal must first be a proper ideal
02:55
How to sieve this problem:

For every $n \in \mathbb N$ the sequence $2^n,2^n+3^n,2^n+3^n+5^n,...,2^n+...+{p_k}^n,...$ contains at least one prime?
$k$ designates $k$-th prime
Also. is $k=2$ the only exponent $\geq 2$ such that the equation $a^b+b^a=w^k$ has a solution? We have $2^6+6^2=10^2$?
03:52
I'm terribly confused
Nevermind, the answer key was wrong
in Probability and Statistics, Mar 5 at 3:45, by Simple
Consider a probability space $(\Omega, \mathcal{F}, P)$ and a random variable $X \in\mathcal{F}$. Let $\mathcal{G}\subset\mathcal{F}$ be a smaller $\sigma$-algebra. Show that if $X\in\mathcal{G}$, $Y (ω) \in\,L^1(\Omega, P)$, and $X(\omega)Y (\omega)\in\,L^1(\Omega, P)$, then, $$E[XY\,|\,\mathcal{G}]=XE[Y\,|\,\mathcal{G}]$$
I had tried using indicator and condition on $G$, still no luck
04:37
@Simple once you can prove it for X an indicator, i think you can prove it for general non-negative X using monotone convergence theorem?
05:10
@loch the measure theorist
def not me
what does $X E[Y \mid \mathcal G]$ mean
E[Y|G] is a (G-measurable) random variable
X is a (G-measurable) random variable
multiply
I thought $E[Y \mid \mathcal G]$ is a number
not when the thing youre conditioning is a sigma algebra!
05:14
what?
it's like E[X|Y], where X,Y are random variables
isn't $Y \mid \mathcal G$ just another random variable
how would you define it?
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A: Condition on sigma algebra

Yujie ZhaThe following are the definitions of conditional expectation and conditional probability, could you fit your case in? Definition 1: If $\mathcal F \subseteq \mathcal G$ are two $\sigma$-fields, and $X$ a $\mathcal G$-measurable integrable random variable, then $\mathbb E[X | \mathcal F]$ is d...

i dont think "Y|G" is ever defined
05:18
I see
@loch $EE[(\mathbb{I}_{A}Y\,|\,\mathcal{G})\mathbb{I}_{B}]=EE[(Y\,|\,\mathcal{G})\mathbb{I}_{A\cap\,B}]$
right
05:34
$EE[(Y\,|\,\mathcal{G})\mathbb{I}_{A\cap\,B}]=E[Y\mathbb{I}_{A\cap\,B}]=E[(\mathbb{I}_{A}Y)\mathbb{I}_{B}]=E[(\mathbb{I}_{A}Y)\,|\,\mathcal{G}]$
then let $X=\sum\alpha_i\mathbb{I}_{A_i}$ and use linearty
last equality is not right
 
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09:18
I have got a conceptual problem. $\rho$ is the mass density and $\mathbf v$ is the velocity (although we don’t need to specify any meaning to them) then an equation is written like this $$ \frac{d \rho }{dt} = \frac{\partial \rho}{\partial t} + \mathbf v \cdot ~grad~ \rho$$
Now, the book writes “if $\rho$ changes with space and if $\frac{d\rhp}{dt}$ is zero, then” $$ \frac{\partial \rho}{\partial t} = - \mathbf v \cdot ~grad~\rho$$
“Which describes the temporal fluctuations of $\rho$ at a fixed point of obersvation, while the material rate of change ($\frac{d\rho}{dt}$) vanishes”.
My problems is how if the derivative of $\rho$ w.r.t. time is zero then how it’s partial derivative w.r.t. to time is non zero. I think it’s more a question of Calculus.
$\rho = \rho(t, x_1(t), \dots, x_n(t))$
The partial derivative is the derivative with respect to the first coordinate
whereas the total derivative is how $\rho$ changes with respect a small change in $t$
The chain rules says ${d\over dt}\rho = \sum x'_i(t)\partial_{x_i}\rho + \partial_t\rho$
for instance if $\rho(t, x(t)) = t + x(t)$, then ${d\over dt}\rho = 1+x'(t)$. If $x'(t) = -1$ then the total derivative is 0 and but the partial derivative wrt t is always 1
10:10
@Astyx Okay, means the main point is that the other variables (on which $\rho$ depends) are themselves the function of $t$, ha?
10:23
@Knight Hello, I messaged you on facebook, you didn't listen
Why changed your profile pic, btw?
Are you same knight?
10:45
@AbhasKumarSinha Yeah bro
@AbhasKumarSinha Who is Feynman of India? I couldn't find nothing
 
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11:53
indeed your last term there is a random variable, so somehow that equality you wrote is equating a number with a rv

in any case you want to say that E[1_AY | G] = 1_A E[Y|G]

So you want E[ 1_A E[Y|G] 1_B] = E[ 1_AY1_B] which you've already shown
12:04
Hey guys! Anyone free to provide feedback on an article I wrote? It's about set theory.
12:34
@Astyx Can you please help me in seeing how $$ \frac{d\rho}{dt} = \frac{\partial \rho}{\partial t} + \mathbf v \cdot \nabla \rho$$
Do you agree with what I said about the chain rule ?
I couldn’t understand it in that summation form especially with those subscripts with $t$ after the $\partial$
Should I expand this :
2 mins ago, by Knight
@Astyx Can you please help me in seeing how $$ \frac{d\rho}{dt} = \frac{\partial \rho}{\partial t} + \mathbf v \cdot \nabla \rho$$
@Astyx Can you please give me one more try?
12:59
Not right now
Maybe in 5 hours
I'm sure there will be other people who can explain it to you in the chat by then
 
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@LeakyNun You there?
I want to know if we have something like $$ x \gt y \\ a \lt b$$ and it comes out that $$ ax \lt y ~b$$
It happens in nature $$ 3 \gt 2 \\ 1 \lt 2 \\ 3 \times 1 \lt 2 \times 2 $$
 
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15:32
@Knight Are you studying fluid dynamics? it's a very popular equation...
@Knight Take $x=100\,; y=50 ;\, a= 1/100 ;\, b=1/50$ Now, does that hold true?
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16:12
@AbhasKumarSinha I don’t why you chose an example which results in equality rather than inequality. You’re still original :-) LOL
16:44
@LeakyNun You study at MIT?
@TedShifrin Are you same guy who wrote a book on Real Analysis... I think, I read some of your book (probably physics or mathematics)...
@AbhasKumarSinha No! He studies at imperial college
@AbhasKumarSinha Yes, he is the writer of that Multivariable Calculus book. You know he has a very healthy and good humour. I really like him.
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17:02
@Knight ok....
for an example which violates it, take y=a=1, x=3, b=2
then x is bigger than y and a is less than b, but ax=3 is bigger than by=2.
not really a surprise: if x>y and b>a, then it's not really natural to look at ax and by
@Semiclassical Thank God! You came!
for the other one, you definitely need to allow (x,y,z) to depend on time. conceptually, that means you're not considering the density rho at a fixed point (x0,y0,z0). rather, you track the trajectory of some particular point (x(t),y(t),z(t)) over time and consider what density you'd observe as that point changes position
@Semiclassical Please discuss with me that inequality situation.
there's nothing to discuss: x>y and a<b does not imply ax<by
it doesn't imply anything about whether ax or by are bigger
@Semiclassical Yeah I know it doesn’t imply, but is there any algorithm by which we can decide whether the inequality gonna flip or not
?!
those are more specialized: they make further assumptions about whether a,b,c,d are positive or negative
not without knowing the signs of the variables, no
@Knight Why not refer Hall and Knight 's Higher Algebra it's much advanced and available on online libraries.
If all I know is that x>y and b>a, then I can say nothing about the relation between ax and by.
17:15
@Semiclassical exactly
@Semiclassical If all of them are positive
@Knight still no
If all of them are positive, then I definitely can't
unless they all are natural numbers
@AbhasKumarSinha I know that but these type things are not discussed
17:16
@Knight They are, lemme find dat for you
@Semiclassical All right! Means it’s totally arbitrary ha?
I can find positive numbers x>y, b>a such that ax<by. but i can also give examples where ax>by
or when ax=by
@Semiclassical when they are factors of each other. Den it's a special case
to make that more obvious, consider the special case where y=a=1
@Knight Chapter - 19
17:17
then all we have is x>1 and b>1, and we can conclude nothing about x compared to b
@AbhasKumarSinha Find something related to this and then tell me the page number please:-)
x>1,b>1 allows any relation between x and b
So there's no hope of getting anywhere if all you know is that a,b,x,y are positive.
@Semiclassical What conditions must be there for $$ x \lt y \\ a \gt b \\ ax > b~y$$
To imply the last inequality
@Knight Just different than yours, related, article 246. of page -208
@knight the conditions that I'd see are the same as those in your linked article
17:20
@Semiclassical yep.
so I have nothing substantive to add there.
I too, except addition proofs for other rings
@Semiclassical The point (ii) of fact 4.2 is wrong. Consider $$ 2 \lt 3 \\ -2 \lt -1 \\ -4 \lt -3$$ there is no flipping of inequalities but accorinding to it the inequality should flip
the strategy, i suppose, would be this: if x<y<0 and a>b>0, then -x>-y>0 and therefore a(-x)>b(-y)>0
@Knight 4.2?
17:23
from which I'd conclude ax<by
@AbhasKumarSinha Fact 4.2, point 2nd
So if x,y are negative and a,b are positive, then ax<by is sound
@Knight which book?
17:24
similarly, if y>x>0 and 0>a>b, then -b>-a>0 and therefore y(-b)>x(-a) > 0 implies ax>by
so if x,y are positive and a,b are negative, then x>y, a>b implies ax>by
@Knight what a,b,c,d are you using there?
I'd have to go to sleep now
Good Knight :)
@Semiclassical $x =2 , y=3 \\ a =-2 , b=-1$$
@AbhasKumarSinha Good Knignt
why are we using notation other than what's provided?
is your x,y,a,b the same as their A,B,C,D?
17:27
@Semiclassical Sorry. $$ a = 2 , b= 3 \\ c =-2 , d= -1 $$
okay. then yes, i'm inclined to agree that what they've got is wwrong
@Semiclassical How do we for solving the proof which asks “which is greater $\sqrt[3]{5}$ or $\sqrt {2}$ “
raise both of them to a commensurate power
to get rid of the cube root, we cube. to get rid of the square root, we square
to get rid of both, we do both
so it amounts to asking whether $(\sqrt[3]{5})^6$ is bigger than $(\sqrt{2})^6$
So, we raise both of them to the power of sixth, ha?
17:33
Thank you!
that relies on the following: x^6 >y^6>0 iff x>y>0
(it would not work without the positive condition. -1>-2, but (-1)^6 < (-2)^6. you're only asking about positive numbers, however, so this doesn't matter)
Sir now please tell me about that total derivative thing, If $\rho$ is a function of $t, x,y,z$ then what does $\frac{d\rho}{dt}$ means ?
First, an easy case: Suppose you picked a certain observation point (x0,y0,z0) within your fluid and let that observation point remain unchanged for all time
then the velocity of that observation point is zero, so the statement collapses to $d\rho/dt=\partial\rho/\partial t$
that is: if the density at a fixed observation point changes, it's because the density has actually changed over time
on the other hand, suppose you have a fluid for which 1) the density doesn't change over time, but 2) you move your observation point over time
in that case, you'll still see changes in density if your observation point moves between points of different density
@Semiclassical I didn’t get the wordings of this statement of yours
which part
17:41
Point number 2
okay. the formula of interest is $d\rho/dt=\partial \rho/\partial t+\vec{v}\cdot \nabla \rho$
if $\vec{v}=0$ (because your observation point never changes) then the last term is zero
@Semiclassical Yes
and so the formula is just $d\rho/dt=\partial \rho/\partial t$
@Semiclassical What does “observation point never changes”
means
Suppose that I put a little sensor at a point (x0,y0,z0) within my fluid
and then had it report back the density of the fluid at that point
17:43
Okay
if the little sensor stays fixed at that point for all time, then the only way that I'll see changes in density is if the density at that point really is changing over time
Yes
By contrast, suppose I consider a column of atmosphere. Then it's well-known that the density of air is higher at the bottom of the column than at the top.
as such, if I dropped my sensor from the top of the column and let it fall to the bottom, then my sensor will report that the density is changing
that's not a matter of the density -at a given point- changing: it's because I'm changing which point I'm looking at
Yes
So in that case I'd have $\partial \rho/\partial t=0$ (the local density is not actually changing) but still $d\rho/dt\neq 0$ (because my observation point is changing)
mathematically, the idea is merely that I'm not considering a fixed point (x0,y0,z0) but rather a moving point $(x(t),y(t),z(t))$
And thus the 'observed density' is $\rho(x(t),y(t),z(t),t)$
17:50
Yes, $$\frac{\partial \rho}{\partial t}$$ is zero because it means “keep everything constant and let the time vary” well in that case we know density will be same at a point
And $$\frac{d\rho}{dt}$$ is not zero because density is changing with time (no restriction is there about the space all we want is if it is changing with time)
in that case, yes
Have I understood you the way you wanted me?
but you could also imagine cases where the density is not changing with time, but the observed density is still changing because you change what point you're looking at
so those are two special cases: 1) observed density is changing because the local density at a fixed point is changing, and 2) observed density is changing because the local density is fixed but I'm changing what point I'm observing at
Are there more discontinuous than continuous functions?
the first gives you $d\rho/dt=\partial \rho/\partial t$. the second gives you $d\rho/dt = \vec{v}\cdot \nabla \rho$. together, you get $d\rho/dt=\partial \rho/\partial t+\vec{v}\cdot \nabla \rho$
in terms of the chain rule, we have $$\frac{d\rho}{dt} = \frac{\partial \rho}{\partial t}+\frac{dx}{dt}\frac{\partial \rho}{\partial x}+\frac{dy}{dt}\frac{\partial \rho}{\partial y}+\frac{dz}{dt}\frac{\partial \rho}{\partial z}$$
which is the same as the previous formula
(again, this is using the fact that $\rho$ is a function of $(t,x(t),y(t),z(t))$)
17:56
How the second case implies $$ \frac{d\rho}{dt} = \vec{v} \nabla \rho$$ and why $dx$ doesn’t get canceled by $\partial x$
?
because that's not how calculus works. $dx$ and $\partial x$ are not numbers
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@Semiclassical Okay
like "infinity"
for the first, the easiest reply is "because that's how the chain rule works"
Hi @Semiclassic and skull
17:58
@skullpatrol Hello!
if I've got a function $y=f(u(x))$, then the $x$-derivative is $dy/dx = (dy/du)(du/dx)$
@nbro assuming you mean by function a map $\Bbb R \to \Bbb R$, yes. A continuous function is determined by its restriction to the rationals which are countable, so there are at most $(2^{\aleph_0})^{\aleph_0}=2^{\aleph_0}$ continuous functions. In contrast, there are $(2^{\aleph_0})^{2^{\aleph_0}}$ functions $\Bbb R \to \Bbb R$ which is bigger than $2^{\aleph_0}$ since it is at least $2^{2^{\aleph_0}}$ which is bigger than $2^{\aleph_0}$ by Cantor's theorem
@Semiclassical Yes agree with that
@LukasHeger Alright thanks! Do you know of any post on this site or any paper that talks about this more in detail?
18:00
if I've got two dependent variables, e.g., $y=f(u(x),v(x))$, then that becomes $dy/dx = (\partial y/\partial u)(du/dx)+(\partial y/\partial v)(dv/dx)$
@nbro I don't really know much set theory, you should ask Alessandro
Howdy @Lukas
Hi @Ted
@Semiclassical Okay
and if you allowed $y$ to depend directly on $x$ i.e. $y=f(x,u(x),v(x))$, then that becomes $dy/dx=\partial y/\partial x +(\partial y/\partial u)(du/dx)+(\partial y/\partial v)(dv/dx)$
which is directly analogous to your case of interest (albeit with different labels)
18:03
Hey @Lukas
And hi @Ted
Hi demonic @Alessandro
Hi @Alessandro
@Semiclassical Yeah! Finally got you!
@TedShifrin :-)
Hi Knight.
but physically the interpretation is just: fluctuations in observed density can be either due to local temporal fluctuations or due to your observation point changing over time
18:05
@TedShifrin Please give me some adjective the way you have given to Allesandro
He had to earn that!
Knave
there you go
So turns out that I'm stuck at home for 3 weeks because of the coronavirus. I'm rethinking about reading categorical logic together @Lukas
@Alessandro nbro was asking above for a recommendation which I guess is basically asking for an intro to set theory
@Semiclassical Your words are are easier to understand than Sommerfeld’s
18:06
lol
(actually would you be interested in reading some "set theoretic algebra", I don't know how to call it, I'm reading the book "almost free modules: set theoretic methods")
sommerfeld wrote a hundred years ago
@Semiclassical Did you mean that archaic meaning :) ?
@LukasHeger No, I am not asking for an intro to set theory
@AlessandroCodenotti sounds too set-theoretic for me :P
18:06
I am looking for a post or article that specifically answers my question above, in a formal way
i mean that his language etc probably were genuinely easier to follow at the time
@LukasHeger Fair enough
simply because it was probably closer to how people actually were writing back then
@nbro The argument Lukas wrote is a formal proof
also, Sommerfeld presumably wrote in German
18:07
@Semiclassical Actually that’s the English translation and you know translation always messes up
@nbro I think if you read some basics on cardinal numbers (which is covered in intro set theory), then my argument should be clear
@Knight right, that's the other point
It's more a pun on Knave vs. Knight
So am I a prince or a scoundrel?
18:08
the kn- bit to be precise
Hahahahaha
dark prince :-)
I want to be the God of Skulls
my overall point is that reading sommerfeld involves translation in time as well as language
@TedShifrin Just got an email from my uni declaring that in-class instruction is cancelled for next week
By the way @Lukas do you have some intuition to share about injective modules?
18:10
"Spring break will be extended on the Duluth, Rochester, and Twin Cities campuses until Wednesday, March 18. Students will resume classes, through online or alternative instruction, on March 18."
Where do you teach @Semiclassical?
University of Minnesota
@Semiclassic: Lots of schools are going all on-line for the rest of the year. Some have canceled. Crazy.
Ah, "online or alternative" — so UM is going that route, too. Don't know what happens to labs.
me either
@Semiclassical professor of which subject ?
18:12
Do we know you under a different name, @Knight?
i'm not a prof myself, but I work in the physics dept
@TedShifrin Please if you know then also don’t share it :-)
"We are suspending in-person instruction, including field experiences and clinicals, across our five campuses and are moving to online, or alternative, instruction." So I can't see how that wouldn't include lab
@Semiclassical Are you in mid thirties?
early thirties
18:13
I mean age
@Semiclassical Wow!
I just don't know how they do lab on-line, @Semiclassic. That discussion came up with some of my math friends on Facebook who are trying to figure out various ways of delivering lectures on-line.
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Q: Can we help support faculty suddenly thrust into online learning?

Scott SeidmanI don't know how much help I can be, but I've created a chat room where people who suddenly find themselves in a situation where they have to entirely change their teaching toolset in the next few weeks can post resources, or at the very least, collectively whine. I suppose this meta-thread can ...

I am not following this discussion
@TedShifrin for one of my classes, I can see a route
for the other? nope
for the first course, which is a traditional lab, the lab grade is based on lab participation and on the lab reports
I don't know how you can have meaningful lab grades under those conditions
I wonder if the Math Educators site has discussion about on-line delivery. I already got an email from DogAteMy's instructor at Yale asking if he can use my videos for his course. :P
18:16
for the second course, though, the lab grade is based off of 1) an online pre-lab quiz on the relevant material, 2) an in-lab portion guided by online content, 3) a TA check for participation, and 4) a post-lab online quiz
that one is more readily adapted to an online-only format
Except you still don't actually do the lab and learn from it.
Speak of the devil: Howdy, DogAteMy.
right. that said, the lab more runs in parallel with the course. for instance, the labs in the last two weeks have been on geometric optics
Welcome to my paranoid universe of coronavirus, with sincere thanks to our intrepid leaders for being 2 months behind on testing.
uhm, I'm not sure. They're dual to projective modules which are a straightforward generalization of the free modules (they basically share the homological nice properties of free modules). Injective modules are acyclic for _every_ left exact functor (that's an iff as you can take Hom functors), so if you want to understand the "homological properties" of a left exact functor, then it behaves simply for injectives in some sense.
So resolving an object by injectives is a natural thing to do. Injectives resolutions are even nicer than any old acyclic resolution, too: any map on the base object
18:18
which are -only- covered in lab and aren't tested on in the course itself

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To support faculty suddenly floating online cousework
@LukasHeger Uhm there's something weird in the first sentence with projective modules appearing twice, I guess the second one should be free?
oops yeah
So while there certainly is a substantial loss in not having lab work, for the second course, it still has some legs to stand on
@Semiclassic: In the days that UGA had a calculus lab accompanying the first calc, Newton's method was covered only in the lab (which makes sense). Of course, the one time I volunteered to teach it, I quickly learned that they (i.e., some of they) didn't know how to find the tangent line to a graph :(
18:20
whereas the traditional course has basically none
So why are there two such different courses, @Semiclassic?
what's a calculus lab?
first, a brief comment: there's three different intro physics sequences
We had a 1-credit lab course for calculus in which they did Maple stuff and turned in (as a Maple worksheet) a report.
Oh ok, modules with an exact Hom functor does seem a natural property to consider
18:21
Oh, of course, @Semiclassic.
@Alessandro I'm not sure how much of this is intuition, I guess in some sense, injectives are a formal algebraic thing which works out nicely
@loch: In principle, it was supposed to improve their understanding of the basics, although so many faculty teaching calculus did their best to sabotage the lab experience :(
They came up in the book I mentioned earlier, apparently a slender module is never injective unless it is zero
1101: algebra-based physics. (i think it's only a 1-semester course)
122x: two semesters of physics for pre-med/biology majors
130x: two (maybe 3?) semesters of physics for scientists and engineers
Is the limit of a sequence of bases (of a vector space) a basis?
18:22
Damn, demonic Alessandro, you keep coming up with terminology I've never heard of. First in French, now in English.
@TedShifrin ah
the first and last ones have traditional labs. 122x replaced the old 120x sequence which did have traditional labs
How does that even make sense, @Thorgott?
Does the biology sequence have appropriately designed, relevant labs, Semiclassic?
the switch from 120x to 122x was driven by the premed/bio colleges
@TedShifrin There's a lot of unusual adjectives in both algebra and point-set topology
18:24
@TedShifrin pretty good.
And when you throw set theory into the mix the situation doesn't improve haha
Indeed, Alessandro.
the lab next week was supposed to culminate in a lab on the geometric optics of the eye, for instance
Which is really interesting.
yeah. (though I'm sure what we'd have seen is only a taste of that)
18:25
@Thorgott No. Let $b_n=(\hat\imath,\hat\imath+\hat\jmath/n)$
the first lab they did was on osmosis/diffusion, with the practical component being to put potato slices into various solutions of saltwater
@Alessandro apparently a ring is slender if it is slender as a module over itself. You should submit that to the ring theory database
((1,0),(1,1/n))
Oh, bases for one fixed vector space? Weird ... in an algebra course.
Or even ((1,0),(0,1/n))
18:26
if the salt concentration is lower than the solute concentration of the potato cells, then osmosis drives the potatos to take on water and thus mass
@LukasHeger Oh I forgot about that website! I might do that
If they're an orthonormal basis though it works
@Semiclassic: Interesting. Are faculty developing this in house at UM?
and vice versa for higher concentrations
one faculty developed it
had to put in a ton of work
thanks
18:28
(though in some sense it's probably not so much harder: less having to deal with committees)
Anyways. the labs are decent, but the online parts are sufficiently worthwhile that there's at least something to stand on
by contrast, the traditional labs live and die by the in-lab work
Hey @Edward
Probably because the "traditional" ones are 30+ years old :D
lol
nah, just 20 :P
18:29
Yo @Edward
@Lukas nice few sentences on injective modules above, will probably save this for when I do homological algebra this semester lol
Hey @TedShifrin
How were the grades on the rubber band lab? @Semiclassical
it went fine
it wasn't grades i was concerned with there, just being able to give a good experience
coolio
on that note, though, this video is great:
i watched that on the bus and couldn't stop chuckling near the end because I could tell what was going to happen
(to sum up: rubber band starts out grey, aka about midway between the two temperature ranges. they pull it apart quickly, it becomes warmer and so turns white on the thermograph; when they immediately relax it, it returns to being grey. then they pull it apart suddenly, wait for the band to cool off, then release tension)
(it's already at room temperature at that point, so now releasing tension means that the rubber band becomes -cooler- than room temp. hence, black :) )
18:35
nice, thanks for sharing
 
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19:43
I thought it was black magic
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20:38
Hi guys, I need to do Taylor expansion to order $3$ centred to $0$ of $e^{(\frac{z}{z-1})^2}$

I'm following these steps:
1) I'm searching Taylor expansion of $(\frac{z}{z-1})^2$ in 0 order 3, I take it fast thanks geometric series. Result is y=$-z-z^2-z^3+o(z^3)$

2)I substitute y in $e^y=1+y+y^2+y^3+o(y^3)$

The problem is in the substitution: too much arithmetic, a lot of calculus.
I'm following a slow way? There is a faster way than this?

THANKS IN ADVANCE!
you forgot to square it
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Sorry wrong copy, I do square on my paper
$z^2+2z^3+3z^4+o(z^4)$
then you can eliminate the y^2 term because it's o(z^4)
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remove the z^4 term
and the y^3 term is o(z^6)
this leaves you with 1+y...
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20:41
Yes, thanks!
I hadn't noticed
In general this way is nice?
It's the fastest way without a calculator?
I need to do this calculations during an exam so I need the fastest way
I'd say so. As long as you're keeping track of the orders correctly, then most of the high order terms evaporate pretty quickly.
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Perfect, I have another question. I need to search poles of this complex function:
$e^{(\frac{z}{z-1})^2}\frac{(z-1)^3}{sin(\pi z^2)}$

What are the points where I have to center taylor expansion?
0 , 1 and ...? $sin(\pi z^2)$ has infinite point where she touch 0
So you got your answer
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All points where $\sin \pi z^2$ vanishes
20:52
The only way that those can't be poles is if you have a 0/0 expression — that is, if either $(z-1)^3$ or $e^{(z/(z-1))^2}$ is 0. In those cases, you have to run the Taylor series to see whether it's a pole or whether it has a valid limit.
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In my case I never get 0/0 case, I'm agree?
So i don't need to do Taylor?
What's the one place where $(z-1)^3=0$?
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I need to do taylor only to get resiedue ..
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oh yes sorry
You do want a closer look at $z=1$ — are you sure that that's not a pole (or even an essential singularity)?
yeah, thing seem pretty hairy at z=1 owing to that exponential part
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20:56
Ok so the only ""problem"" in on z=1
yes, but it's a heck of an exception
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@Semiclassical We have solved "problem" with exponential some messages ago
fair enough
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@Semiclassical yes sure
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