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He's not the expert, merely an expert
@nbro That's nice, I really like Lucerne. Also, this video should make up for any bad bias: youtube.com/watch?v=dKBZfp4ULjM 😉
I sort of give up on these random exercises by Dummit-Foote, they're kinda time-pass
6 mins ago, by skullpatrol
tip: only read tough books after 18+ hours of sleep :P
I will just rush through this Galois theory part and go read Szamuely
Ain't nobody got time for 18th century algebra
@Fargle Interesting, so you do some high-order Runge-Kutta?
00:01
I've tinkered a bit with high-order RK, and also high-order Adams-Bashforth, hold the Moulton.
hold the moutarde?
Past efforts didn't do well, but I was a lowly undergrad who didn't know anything about stochastics.
Ok but what I, as a numerics amateur, never understand is: If you choose a really small step size, then doesn't everything just work as expected
Um, wasn't Galois 19th century?
00:02
@Fargle which SDE are you tackling?
@TedShifrin True
I was being condescending that's all
smacks Balarka
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I was just doing a weather model one as a toybox example. I forget the exact specifics, let me dig in my email.
@LeakyNun The first thing to understand for me is how cyclotomic extensions over $\Bbb Q$ relates to cyclotomic extensions mod $p$
@MaximilianJanisch Hold on. I was mistaking. I've been to Lausanne (not Lucerne) :) I've also been to Zurich and Geneve. In general, Switzerland is very beautiful, unless you hate mountains :)
00:04
No, Ted, Galois is timeless :p
every extension mod p is cyclotomic
@nbro Well also unless you hate rain :) Otherwise I agree
@MaximilianJanisch Not so with stochastic DEs. Problem is, number one, they're random, and number two, any particular instance of a solution is Weierstrass-like in that it's continuous and (almost) nowhere differentiable.
a revealing line from the paper I cited: "The weak-noise theory assumes that $\epsilon$ is a small parameter. The stochastic problem for Eq. (2) can be formulated as a functional integral which, in the limit of $\epsilon \ll 1$, admits a “semi-classical” saddle-point evaluation."
@LeakyNun No I mean like what is the Galois group of the splitting field of $x^n - 1$ mod $p$?
00:05
@Fargle I see
huzzah for name drop
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Leaving your signature then, Semi.
pretty much, yeah
@BalarkaSen aha
Don't reveal though I'll ponder a bit
00:06
What I hunted for last time was an approximation to the analytic PDF, but that still requires running sample numerical solutions ever-how-many times and then PDFing that.
@Semiclassical can you put a hyphen in your username?
i probably could've
And even with small step sizes, errors propagate, and the erratic nature of stochastic processes makes it, uh, not play nice.
@Fargle the thing about doing WKB is that you trade a single SDE for a pair of PDEs
Sounds fun. And gross.
00:07
pretty much
the fun part of that was the spontaneous symmetry breaking :)
Ok guys, I will go soon. See you all
@LeakyNun Oh, I have a fun exercise for you
Prove that every algebraic variety is birationally equivalent to a hypersurface
Over $\Bbb C$
the not-so-fun part of that was leaving the code to run over night
00:11
Bis später, @Maximil.
@BalarkaSen hmm...
@Semiclassical The equation was $dx = \left(\frac{1}{2} - x\right)dt + \sigma x(1 - x)\circ dW$
Where $dW$ is white noise, and the $\circ$ denotes the Stratonovich calculus is to be used
sigma is some parameter?
00:12
Yep
oof, stratanovich
@BalarkaSen is this the statement that $D_f$ forms a basis of $\operatorname{Spec}(A)$ or something
i remember hubbard-stratanovich in physics
same stratanovich, presumably
Probably. Stratonovich calculus pops up in scientific applications, Ito more frequently in financial ones
@LeakyNun I don't think so
00:13
makes sense
Hint: It's actually just field theory
As far as I know the main difference integration-wise is that Ito uses left-endpoints and Strat uses midpoints? I think.
@BalarkaSen if $U$ is a nonempty open subset of $\Bbb A^n$ then it contains $D_f$ for some $f \in \Bbb C[X_1, \cdots, X_n]$ and we know that $D_f = V(tf-1)$
@BalarkaSen amusingly, the main application of the Hubbard-Stratanovich transformation is in field theory :)
not the kind of field theory you mean, tho
@LeakyNun $D_f$ aren't quite hypersurfaces are they? It's Spec A_f
00:16
isn't it isomorphic to $V(tf-1)$
I don't think so
A_f = C[x1 ... xn, t]/(I, tf-1)
afterall $A_f = A[t]/(tf-1)$
what is I?
The defining ideal of X
I'm just looking at $\Bbb A^n$ for the moment
I am asking you to prove an algebraic variety is birational to a hypersurface
00:18
@Balarka: Affine varieties you mean?
A^n is obviously birational to A^n in A^(n+1), a hypersurface!
I'm looking at open subsets of $\Bbb A^n$
This doesn't look anything like the spice of life to me.
@LeakyNun That's trivial, yeah, because of what you said
@TedShifrin Yeah, but also projective varieties are birational to affines
Just throw away the line at infinity
So you can reduce to the affine case
Quasiprojectives are regular images of affines as well (Leaky's example is a special case of this)
aha
primitive element theorem?!
00:20
Yes!
interesting
Cool, right?
ರ╭╮ರ
@MikeMiller ?
00:21
что зто?
@TedShifrin I don't hear you speaking in Russian very often
I only took one year of it, and that was 45+ years ago.
But it is my native heritage.
hi @AlessandroCodenotti
I can't find my lighter
hi demonic @Alessandro
00:23
Smoking is bad
eats popcorns
Potstickers are more fun, @Leaky.
@TedShifrin wow they're called potstickers?
Kwo tieh
yeah
oh
wow it literally translates to that lol
00:25
OK found it
I guess you haven't been to too many Chinese restaurants in England or the US :P
I once used up all my matchsticks and tried to light a cigarette with an electric heater
Oh, good, a @Balarka. Set the building on fire.
Someone should add more stars to the smacks.
Wouldn't an electric heater get nowhere near the flash-point?
For stale tobacco?
00:27
Yeah I realized the hard way
@Balarka lit a cigarette on an electric hob once, which took a while
Then I tried a yellow light bulb
Or ignition temperature rather*
Had to pull off the glass cover
00:28
thinks that maybe Balarka isn't quite so bright as I'd thought
That sounds like the behaviour of a crack addict :P
you guys sure are desperate lol
He was when he was using that bulb though
Yeah, right, @TedE
It was a long night
and I wasn't sleeping any time soon
00:29
On this note, I'm going to go do exercises for my bad neck and hips. Bye, y'all.
I was off campus in a workshop so had nobody to ask for fire
Hello and bye bye @TedShifrin
Cya later TedS
Bye @TedShifrin
You should have just stuck a fort into a power outlet
00:30
I wanted to smoke not commit suicide
I tend just to hold cigarettes to my skin and they burst into flames
@BalarkaSen lmfao
What's the difference
Wanna play a round or two of 3+2 @BalarkaSen
@TedShifrin cya
No I have to do math m8
Ok
00:32
Maybe later tho
Did you wanna read higher topos theory with me?
that's not math
I was gonna start working my way through that today
>:(
>>:((
It's like they always say, if you don't know any higher topos theory, you don't know any math
(Who they are isn't clear)
smacks TedE
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00:44
@MikeMiller is that your robjohn impression?
01:08
@LeakyNun If $x^n - 1$ is separable over any field $K$, the roots would generate a subgroup of $E^\times$ where $E$ is the splitting field, but that's cyclic, so the group is a cyclic group of order $n$. This means $\text{Gal}(E/K)$ injects into $\text{Aut}(\Bbb Z_n) \cong \Bbb Z_n^\times$
It should be an isomorphism
the roots are a subgroup of $E^\times$
That's what I meant
hi @TedShifrin
Oh, oh, looks like Balarka is drowning in Galois.
01:10
@BalarkaSen why should it be an isomorphism?
Feels like, I dunno, maybe you have a counterexample
@TedShifrin It's so boring
I can't focus on algebra
I think it's rather beautiful, but I only taught it once in a while.
@BalarkaSen it doesn't need to be an isomorphism
It seems that @TedE is usurping my smacking authority, too.
I find the arguments extremely dry. The general setup is fun and reminiscent of covering spaces
01:12
shakes head
@BalarkaSen rip
@Balarka: I love the group actions everywhere.
@TedShifrin have you taught any 16 year old masters students?
No, but a 13-yr old took my differential topology course.
@LeakyNun Oh right of course I can just take $K = E$
01:13
wow
that is impressive
We had a PhD student at Berkeley when I was there who was somewhat younger, having grown up in the house with a mathematician and "skipped" college.
Or some intermediate extension of $\Bbb Q(\zeta_n)/\Bbb Q$ to get nontrivial subgroups of $(\Bbb Z_n)^\times$
Duh
@BalarkaSen yeah all the good stuff only happen to $\Bbb Q$ unfortunately
over $\Bbb Q$ the cyclotomic polynomials are irreducible
Yeah.
That's a fact I never read the proof of
01:15
@TedShifrin skipped all of college?
classes, I mean
Oh, maybe I reproved it in a different way. The cyclotomic polynomials are the minimal polynomials of $\zeta$
yeah I thought you proved it?
Yeah, he learned math at home and never got a college degree. He did really well on the GRE and Berkeley let him in. I don't remember details.
gets curious and googles to see what's become of said person
@LeakyNun Yeah I have, I just forgot about it. $\Phi_n(x) = \prod_{(m, n) = 1} (x - \zeta_n^m)$.
And $\zeta_n^m$ are the Galois conjugates of $\zeta_n$
It's a minimal polynomial
There's some big rant by Dummit-Foote which argues in a different way which I never read
I dunno why they do that
I think there might be issues when you try to construct an automorphism that sends $\zeta$ to $\zeta^m$?
01:18
@TedShifrin please ping me, if you find out
@LeakyNun You have a well-defined aut $\Bbb Q(\zeta) \to \Bbb Q(\zeta^m)$ if $(m, n) = 1$, right? Then extend to $\overline{\Bbb Q}$ by machinery, right?
that depends on $\zeta$ and $\zeta^m$ having the same minimal polynomial?
like the same thing would not work over say $\Bbb F_2$
Huh I see your point
where I think $\zeta_7$ and $\zeta_7^3$ have different minpolys
It is all about surjectivity of $\text{Gal}(\Bbb Q(\zeta_n)/\Bbb Q) \to \Bbb Z_n^\times$
That's nontrivial, which I didn't realize before
01:21
yeah
OK, this is annoying.
this is stuff i hate the most, working with numbers
grumble
:c
numbers are my friend
teach me
i dont want to read this awful proof of dummit foote
01:24
I think you use a prime to represent the given class in $\Bbb Z_n^\times$ right
@skill: Can't find anything definitive. Some people don't put CVs on line, etc.
Balarka, you're grumbling too much.
@TedShifrin thanks for trying
It suffices to prove it surjects onto primes, yeah
@BalarkaSen gimme a second
@TedShifrin i am angry at number theorists
01:25
I did find that he finished a few years after me, @skill. After that, I may have a conjecture, but I can't be sure.
You used to be angry at analysis. @Balarka
anger is wasted on the youth :P
Yeah, leave it to bitchy old guys like me.
@BalarkaSen let $f$ be the minpoly of $\zeta$, so $X^n-1 = fg$ for some $g \in \Bbb Z[X]$. we want to show that $f(\zeta^p) = 0$, so assume $g(\zeta^p) = 0$, so $\zeta$ is a root of $g(X^p)$, so $f(X) \mid g(X^p)$. now for the magic trick, it's the fact that $\overline{g(X^p)} = \overline{g(X)}^p \in \Bbb F_p[X]$, so $\overline{f} \mid \overline{g}^p$, so $X^n - 1 = \overline{f} \overline{g}$ is not separable, which is absurd
@BalarkaSen analysis is trivial
just invoke elliptic regularity
smacks MikeM
01:31
@LeakyNun Ah, that's a strange argument. I like it.
@TedShifrin there was an 18 year old postdoc at ucla
completely socially incompetent, of course
I hope the kid gets a life.
impossible to talk to
01:32
Yeah, not surprising.
@MikeMiller T.T why you gotta talk about me like that
dont be silly nobody does a postdoc in ordinal collapsing
We just collapse unorderedly.
@BalarkaSen yeah it was surprisingly concise
@TedShifrin how goes the rehab exercises?
(don't ask why I have this)
@MikeM: Knowest thou offhand. If we take the restriction of the tautological bundle on $\tilde G(2,4)$ to the $S^2$ of self-dual oriented $2$-planes, what's $\chi$?
@skill: It's not rehab. It's a desperate attempt not to degenerate further.
that's what i meant :-)
rehab
I do my exercises faithfully, and I go to massage, physical therapy, and chiropractor.
01:42
@SimplyBeautifulArt why do you have this?
@LeakyNun D:< double pung
because I'm secretly a dabbing panda, didn't you know?
@TedShifrin regularity is the most important thing
Not normality?
@skillpatrol indeed, stick to regular ordinals, not initial ordinals, when collapsing
@LeakyNun I think $\text{Gal}(\Bbb F_p(\zeta_n)/\Bbb F_p)$ is going to be $p(\Bbb Z_n)^\times$, because the Galois group is generated by the Frobenius endomorphism, which takes everything to the subgroup generated by $p$.
Well, when $(n, p) = 1$
Otherwise $x^n - 1$ is not separable from the beginning
01:47
but isn't $p(\Bbb Z_n)^\times$ just $\Bbb Z_n^\times$
@TedShifrin Ah jeez
? $p$ need not be primitive mod $n$
LOL ... I'm thinking about it, and I haven't totally unwound it yet.
I used a bad notation, I mean the subgroup generated by $p$ in $\Bbb Z_n^\times$
Don't you want the oriented G?
01:50
Take $n = 7$ and $p = 2$ like you suggested. Then the subgroup is $\{1, 2, 4\}$
Yeah, @Balarka, that's a coset, not a subgroup.
The tilde is oriented.
yeah, that should be true
@BalarkaSen there's no $6$
$8=1$.
Missed it, I don't use Tex. My bad.
01:51
No problem.
rolls eyes at Balarka's powers of 2
Whoops a daisy
Where did that English expression ever come from?!!
this also generalizes analogously to all finite fields
I suspect it's even and probably +-2, Ted
@BalarkaSen yeah so that's pretty much it
01:54
I have no intuition yet. I'll have to think hard about this, @MikeM, although I suspect a younger me would get it faster. :P
@TedShifrin How do we get the diffeomorphism to S^2 x S^2?
I want to pair with those spheres
Does this diffeomorphism respect any symmetry
Well, one way is to realize that the Plücker equation $x_1x_6-x_2x_5+x_3x_4=0$ intersect the unit sphere is $S^2\times S^2$.
Alternatively, if you decompose $\omega\in\Lambda^2$ into self-dual + anti-self-dual, $\omega = \sigma+\tau$, the equation $\omega\wedge\omega = 0$ turns into $|\sigma|^2 - |\tau|^2 = 0$.
> The first use of “whoops-a-daisy” per se is around 1925, in a New Yorker cartoon. It’s an expression of surprise or dismay, specifically upon discovering one’s own error.
So you get spheres of radius $1/\sqrt2$.
@skill: But why a daisy?
Second seems good to me, @Ted.
01:58
Yeah, I agree.
flower?
And so, @skill?
searching...
I get the "whoops."
But be patient with me --- how do I go from w^2 = 0 to a plane?
01:59
$\omega=u\wedge v$ and the plane is the span of $u$ and $v$.
The unoriented Grassmannian is just $SO(4)/SO(2) \times SO(2)$, no? But once you oriented it that's tantamount to factoring out by the center in $SO(4)$

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