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6:06 PM
Greetings, @Rithaniel. Or is it your lurking friend?
 
6:19 PM
Is there a typo here?
 
@WilliamSun where?
 
Shouldn't it be $\{G'\cap G_n\}$
Instead of $\{G'_n\cap G_n\}$?
 
yeah sure
 
Yes just to confirm. I didn't find that in the erratas though. Thank you.
 
(Errata is already a plural)
shuts up
 
6:22 PM
lol
is the singular "err"?
 
Erratum!
Err would be cooler though
 
interesting
 
I probably would have made a comment, but you saved me, @ÍgjøgnumMeg.
No one knows Latin anymore.
 
or Greek
 
Hehe, some of these things bother me as much as Reimann
 
6:26 PM
Greece?
Well, lots of people misspell Weierstrass, too. :(
 
@ÍgjøgnumMeg: Wait a minute. Shouldn't you have said "errata are already a plural"? :D
 
No
lol
 
to err is human
 
6:27 PM
Well, I would recommend '"errata" is already a plural.'
 
That'd've been better
(heh)
 
Verily.
 
I'm gonna take this opportunity to remind everyone that the words overmorrow and ereyesterday exist and that it's a tragedy that they're no longer in use
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Well, it's been a while since the 18th (17th?) century.
 
Ereyesteryear
 
6:31 PM
I've always wanted words for those two notions, thank you :D.
I will use them every chance that I get.
Maybe I'll get a chance tomorrow or overmorrow.
 
Their translations are still commonly used in other germanic languages, but somehow they fell out of use in English
:(
 
use it or lose it
 
How do you pronounce ereyesterday? Does it sound like 'errr-yesterday'?
 
I guess "air-yesterday"
 
6:33 PM
@TedE, I think you had your best chance ereyesterday.
 
I guess I'll nr know.
 
They were used before weekdays were invented. To keep track of days people used to say "I will be there in overoverover...overmorrow." Then when they meet the person that day, they will "See here I am, as I promised ereereere...ereyesterday." Thank god for the names of the days.
 
@TedShifrin By the way, I asked one of Mathein's friends if he had seen him around and he said he hadn't
 
LOL @Mats
Oh, @ÍgjøgnumMeg. I got a brief sentence from Mathein. He says he's fine but has just been super busy. I dunno.
 
Things are not that bad. Now we have numbers for days also.
 
6:36 PM
Oh that's better then!
 
Well, I hope so, @ÍgjøgnumMeg.
 
Indeed, apparently he was the same a few months back and he just withdrew completely to work on stuff
 
It's probably good that he doesn't waste time here.
 
Lol indeed
I got a date for my first exam; 6th of February
everyone cross your fingers, toes, and eyes for me :(
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I just calculated the pdf of the sum of 4 independent, Unif[0,1]-distributed random variables by hand using convolution, because a friend dared me to. It was a bad decision
 
6:40 PM
Your friends are unreliable, @Thorgott.
 
Do you want to see my generalization of rule 30?
 
@MatsGranvik sure
 
:)
 
Here it is:
https://pastebin.com/UW6J5XLy
Mathematica that is.
I edited it slightly.
 
thanx
 
6:45 PM
The idea is to Replace IF, AND, OR, and maybe NOT,
with arithmetic like addition, subtraction, multiplication,
and copy and paste to every spot.
it rhymes!
^There is a competition on rule 30 now.
A total of 30000 dollars in prize money.
What is the binomial equivalent of a table where you add the 3 previous terms like rule 30 does? Instead of the 2 previous terms like a binomial does.
or you don't add, you multiply mostly, with a little subtraction of 1 minus the previous cell(s).
 
Does a morphism of schemes induce a morphism on sheaf/cech cohomology? Something like $f:X\to Y$ induces $H^i(X,\mathcal{F})\to H^i(Y,f_*\mathcal{F})$, or maybe for $\mathcal{F}$ on $Y$ we have $H^i(Y,\mathcal{F})\to H^i(X,f^*\mathcal{F})$
 
and the Mathematica program I wrote does not give as beautiful a plot as the New Kind Science pyramid looking plot. It was easier to format it as a triangle instead.
 
7:01 PM
@Thorgott: I think there's a fly in the ointment of your answer (whether $A'$ is necessarily continuous in $c$).
 
adjunction gives you a map F -> f_*f^* F
if f is affine, then H^i(Y, f_*f^*F) = H^i(X, f^*F)
 
7:36 PM
@Thorgott @TedShifrin is it that bad?
it's just the volume of some polyhedron or something
I suppose it would have a lot of faces once you go near the middle
 
Huh? Whatcha talking about, @Leaky?
 
58 mins ago, by Thorgott
I just calculated the pdf of the sum of 4 independent, Unif[0,1]-distributed random variables by hand using convolution, because a friend dared me to. It was a bad decision
what if we use Fourier transform
 
Oh, I was talking about something totally different, of course.
 
so we take Fourier transform of $1_{[0,1]}$
which should be $\int_0^1 \exp(-2\pi i s x) \ \mathrm dx = 1 - \frac1{2\pi i s} \exp(-2\pi i s)$ right
this doesn't look that bad
because its fourth power is still a linear combination of things of that form
at least one can do it by hand
heh I already made a mistake
$\int_0^1 \exp(-2\pi i s x) \ \mathrm dx = \frac1{2\pi i s} (1 - \exp(-2\pi i s))$
oh no I get $s^{-4}$ which is not of that form
$\left[ \frac1{2\pi i s} (1 - \exp(-2\pi i s)) \right]^4 = \frac1{16 \pi^4 s^4} (1 - 4\exp(-2\pi i s) + 6 \exp(-4 \pi i s) - 4 \exp(-6 \pi i s) + \exp(-8 \pi i s))$
this should be the Fourier transform of the fourth integral of $\delta_0 - 4\delta_1 + 6\delta_2 - 4\delta_3 + \delta_4$
the first integral is $1_{[0,1]} - 3 \cdot 1_{[1,2]} + 3 \cdot 1_{[2,3]} - 1_{[3,4]}$
the second integral is $(x) 1_{[0,1]} + (1 - 3(x-1)) 1_{[1,2]} + (-2 + 3(x-2)) 1_{[2,3]} + (1 - (x-3)) 1_{[3,4]}$
 
7:57 PM
@TedShifrin Thanks for pointing that out. I've deleted the answer.
 
the third integral is $\frac12 x^2 1_{[0,1]} + (\frac12 + (4x - \frac32 x^2 - \frac52)) 1_{[1,2]} + (-8x + \frac32 x^2 + 10) 1_{[2,3]} + (-\frac12 + (4x - \frac12x^2 - \frac{15}2)) 1_{[3,4]}$
 
@LeakyNun well, I did it by convolution. It's not difficult, just long and annoying. This is what it looks like en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irwin%E2%80%93Hall_distribution
 
I think this is coming from a problem in Apostol that I have assigned numerous times over the years (and even put into Spivak's book when I wrote extra problems for it).
 
@Thorgott I'm doing the convolution by Fourier transform now and I'm almost done
 
Looks like Fourier Transform is more efficient
 
8:00 PM
Gotta love Fourier ... or furrier.
 
the fourth integral is $\frac16 x^3 1_{[0,1]} + (\frac16 + (-2x + 2x^2 - \frac12 x^3 + \frac12)) 1_{[1,2]} + (\frac23 + (10x - 4x^2 + \frac12x^3 - 8)) 1_{[2,3]} + (\frac16 + (-8x + 2x^2 - \frac16x^3 + \frac{21}2)) 1_{[3,4]}$
and this is the answer
now let's see how reliable my calculations are
 
They look correct
Except for your indicators
The intervals should be half-open
 
that doesn't matter
 
Also true
It's not the result of the convolution then, but still a density
 
I am still worthy
gotta bust the rumour that pure maths students can't calculate
 
8:07 PM
You should look at a few of my papers, @Leaky. Serious calculations.
 
how about algebraists
 
Don't ask me.
 
This is still more pleasant than demonstrating the sum of normal random variables is normal by using convolution
Which was an assignment once when I took probability theory
 
the trick is to not use convolution
use the transformation $(X,Y) \mapsto (X+Y, X-Y)$
this is orthogonal or something
 
Is anyone good at explaining the hyperbolic angle?
 
8:13 PM
You can give a pretty direct argument using two-dimensional normal distributions, I think, but convolution was the only tool available when we were given that task
 
build the tools yourself :P
 
@TedShifrin What actually is the answer to that differentiability problem?
 
8:38 PM
What was the answer to the ultraproduct thing from a few days ago by the way @Leaky?
 
@Ultradark ready to study?
 
@shi how about at $5$?
 
No thx
tired of delaying
 
9:00 PM
Nov 25 at 20:03, by Leaky Nun
let $G = (\prod_{n=0}^\infty P_n)/F$ where $F$ is a non-principal ultrafilter
@AlessandroCodenotti $G$ consists of semi-infinite rays and bi-infinite paths
 
How many semi-infinite ones? just two I guess?
That's close to the disjoint copies of Z thing that I had in mind, but I forgot about min and max elements
 
9:37 PM
@Thorgott It's not true. Take something like $\sum \frac1{n^2}\chi_{(1/(n+1),1/n]}$ (and $0$ at $0$, of course), so it'll be Riemann integrable, continuous at $0$ but on no neighborhood of $0$.
 
 
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10:59 PM
Hmm, I don't see how that is a counter-example. The derivative in question appears to be continuous at $0$.
 
No, I don't think so. Unless I'm being stupid the derivative is not defined on a set with $0$ as a limit point.
 
The derivative should be defined everywhere except at points of the form $1/n$
On the interval $(1/(n+1),1/n)$, the derivative should be $1/n^2$
 
Yes, but to be continuous at $0$ it must certainly be defined on an interval around $0$.
We're not doing a.e. stuff here.
 
Oh, I see what you mean
 
@loch The answer is 1
 
11:14 PM
However, continuity can be defined on arbitrary sets
That's how I was interpreting the question
 
Well, in the setting of a calculus exercise, continuity requires that the domain contain an interval around the point.
We're not talking a topology exercise with a different domain.
 
We defined continuity on arbitrary subsets of $\mathbb{R}$ in the first analysis lecture I listened to, but what you're saying is probably what was intended.
 
Even so, how does that get you continuity of $A'$ at $c$? You get to throw out points you don't like even though the domain of $f$ is $[a,b]$?
Anyhow, that exercise in Apostol is confusing enough for students as it is :)
 
What I was thinking of is: Let $D$ be the set of points where $A$ is differentiable. Let $f$ be differentiable at $c$. Then $A$ is differentiable at $c$ with $A'(c)=f(c)$. By the Lebesgue Differentiation Theorem, $D$ is of full measure, so, in particular, $c$ is a limit point of $D$ and then the continuity of $A'$ at $c\in D$ is a well-posed and non-trivial question.
 
Yeah, you're at the advanced undergraduate or — in the US — graduate level, first of all. I still say that unless you're in an advanced context, this is not the right interpretation of continuity.
I would never say the function $f(x) = \begin{cases} 1, & x=1/n, \\ 0, &\text{otherwise}\end{cases}$ is continuous at $0$. Nor would I if the function forgets to be defined at $1/n$.
Unless it's clear I'm working in the measure theory world where functions are only unique a.e.
But this is why it's so important to get posters to make their context and efforts clear. Often people post answers that are just in a different universe from the questioner.
 
11:25 PM
Well, that function is certainly not continuous if the domain is $\mathbb{R}$
 
Yes, of course.
 
My issue was that simply asking whether $A'$ is continuous requires $A'$ to be defined somewhere in the first place. So choosing the domain as the set of points where $A'$ exists seemed to me to be the natural choice.
 
As I say, that's a fine interpretation at the advanced level. Not at the level of the theoretical calculus courses I taught my whole career.
 
The actual question ends up being "Is A necessarily differentiable in a neighborhood of $c$?", but this seems somewhat backwards cause the original question is not exactly well-posed
But yeah, I think you are definitely right with regards to the intent.
 
To me, that's the whole point of the question. The context in the books is that there's a whole sequence of questions, which makes the global intent clearer.
I often post on questions: Show your effort and where you got stuck, because we can't help if we don't know what you know and what you are allowed to use.
This is particularly true for me with differential geometry questions, but certainly true with most subjects.
 
11:33 PM
Yeah, that's important. Asking good questions is a skill just as much as giving good answers is.
 
Nah, let's just copy our homework questions onto the site and say that was our hard work.
 
alas
i'm curious now, though, do you know the answer to the problem if we restrict A' to the points where it exists?
 
I just complained to someone who posted a differential topology question with no work. I had to ask him what his definition of degree of a map is.
Hmm, so because $f$ is Riemann integrable, it has to be continuous except on a set of measure 0. So if you throw out that set of measure 0, won't it follow, then, just from the usual FTC?
 
I'm concerned about the points at which $A$ is differentiable, but $f$ is not continuous.
If, say, the set of continuity points of $f$ is $C$, then $C\subseteq D$, $A'=f$ on $C$ and hence $A'$ is continuous on $C$, but I'm not too sure about $D\setminus C$
 
So those are the removable singularities of $f$. It's the jump singularities that cause issues with $A$.,
Let's see, if $f$ has a singularity of the remaining sort, it can be very subtle. For example, for the function $f(x) = \begin{cases} \cos 1/x, &x\ne 0 \\ 0, & x=0\end{cases}$, I believe $A'(0)$ exists.
But then $A'$ certainly won't be continuous at $0$.
 
11:50 PM
It would definitely not be continuous, but I'm not too sure whether $A'(0)$ exists.
 
Want a hint?
 
I'll give it some more thought
 
OK. I won't ruin your fun.
 
@AlessandroCodenotti oops I didn't say "two"
yeah there's exactly two
 
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