Mathematics - 2012-07-03 (page 3 of 6)

BenjaLim

05:00

I am curious

Peter Tamaroff

facetious definition: joking or jesting often inappropriately

@BenjaLim I'm joking that you distracted me with a book!

BenjaLim

@PeterTamaroff You checked it out?

Pema Chodron is an ordinary american woman turned nun

user19161

Hi!

BenjaLim

@JasperLoy amazon.com/The-Places-That-Scare-You/dp/…

Peter Tamaroff

@BenjaLim Why would she want to be a nun?

BenjaLim

05:02

@PeterTamaroff Because one day her husband told her he was leaving her for another woman

Pema Chödrön

Pema Chödrön (born Deirdre Blomfield-Brown) is a notable American figure in Tibetan Buddhism. A disciple of Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche, she is an ordained nun, author, and teacher in the Shambhala Buddhist lineage which Trungpa founded. A prolific author, she has conducted workshops, seminars, and meditation retreats in Europe, Australia, and throughout North America. She is resident and teacher of Gampo Abbey, a monastery in rural Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, Canada. History Pema Chödrön was born in 1936 in New York City. She attended Miss Porters School in Farmington, Connecticut, and grad...

Frank Science

@BenjaLim markdown please.

Peter Tamaroff

@BenjaLim I see.

BenjaLim

@FrankScience markdown?

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience Why?

user19161

@BenjaLim Thanks. I like Bhikkhu Bodhi for Theravada works.

Peter Tamaroff

05:03

@BenjaLim To hyperlink instead of displaying.

BenjaLim

@JasperLoy I recommend you ajahn brahm

@PeterTamaroff I don't know I just pasted the link

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff we might as well observe the chat rules.

@BenjaLim see here

user19161

Well, I see the rules as guidelines, not God.

BenjaLim

@FrankScience It is not engraved in stone those rules.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience Yeah, those are not "de facto" rules but reccomendations.

=)

BenjaLim

05:05

@JasperLoy Did you commit to the buddhism.se proposal?

user19161

@BenjaLim No. But sometimes I feel like I am the next Buddha to appear in this world.

Frank Science

@BenjaLim buddhism is not something proposed to discuss.

BenjaLim

@FrankScience huh?

I don't understand what you're saying

@JasperLoy Attachment to identity is a cause for suffering

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience He means there is proposal to open a SE page dedicated to Budhism.

user19161

@FrankScience See area 51.

Peter Tamaroff

05:06

For it to be created, users have to commit that they will participate.

BenjaLim

@FrankScience area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/19564/buddhism

Frank Science

I meant that buddhism is not used to argue.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience Oh, but we're not saying that here.

user19161

Noone is arguing here.

BenjaLim

@FrankScience I don't understand your english.

user19161

05:07

I think we are just on different wavelengths.

Frank Science

@BenjaLim I cannot express clearly, sorry.

BenjaLim

@FrankScience what is your native language?

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience What other langauges do you speak?

user19161

Hey @frank your English is very good for someone from your country.

Peter Tamaroff

@BenjaLim Chinese, I think.

BenjaLim

05:08

@FrankScience Ni shi zhong guo ren ma?

user19161

@BenjaLim Shi de.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience I hope I'm not being too stereotypical here, but is Frank your actual name?

Frank Science

@BenjaLim ok

Peter Tamaroff

@JasperLoy Boo-yah!

user19161

@PeterTamaroff Is that Spanish???

Frank Science

05:09

@JasperLoy I got very low score in English in high-school.

BenjaLim

@FrankScience Ni zhai na li xian zhai?

Peter Tamaroff

@JasperLoy Hahaha no!

urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boo-yah

user19161

If there is anyone else using chrome on linux in chat here tell me if you are having problems too.

Frank Science

@BenjaLim Have you learnt Chinese?

user19161

@BenjaLim Wrong pinyin.

BenjaLim

05:10

@FrankScience pinyin

@JasperLoy doesn't matter

@FrankScience Ni zhai ta xue?

Frank Science

@BenjaLim English please.

BenjaLim

@FrankScience Anda sekarangnya berada di universitas mana?

user19161

@FrankScience Haha.

BenjaLim

@FrankScience Which university are you at now?

user19161

@BenjaLim Haha.

Frank Science

05:11

@BenjaLim I'm a high-school graduate.

BenjaLim

@FrankScience à quelle université tu fais tes études?

user19161

@BenjaLim Haha.

Peter Tamaroff

¿A que universidad estás yendo?

BenjaLim

@JasperLoy I can speak 5 languages :D

Frank Science

I don't know what you are talking about.

user19161

05:12

@FrankScience Never mind.

Peter Tamaroff

@BenjaLim Can I be your friend?

BenjaLim

@PeterTamaroff My friend ricardo taught me how in spanish questions have to be open and closed with the invertible question mark

@PeterTamaroff huhuhu?

Frank Science

@JasperLoy Linux is not very famous in China.

Peter Tamaroff

@BenjaLim I'm being joking, dude, come on!

user19161

@PeterTamaroff Oh I thought you wanted to be his boyfriend.

user19161

05:13

@FrankScience You have red flag linux I know.

Peter Tamaroff

Whenever a person says something positive about himself, I ask him if I can be his friend as a mock.

BenjaLim

@JasperLoy if you count a bit of roadside tamil/cebuano

that makes it 7

Frank Science

@JasperLoy No

@JasperLoy Debian

user19161

@BenjaLim You sure you not from my country?

Peter Tamaroff

@BenjaLim Yeah, Spanish is cooler than English.

BenjaLim

05:14

@PeterTamaroff As usual: Porque no los dos?

@JasperLoy howcome?

user19161

@FrankScience I mean China has red flag linux.

Peter Tamaroff

@BenjaLim "There can only be one"

Also: ¿Porqué no los dos?

BenjaLim

@PeterTamaroff I miss my friend ricardo

user19161

@BenjaLim Cos you know tamil and malay.

BenjaLim

he has told me when I go to DF he will have a place ready for me to stay

@JasperLoy Indonesian

user19161

05:15

@BenjaLim Oh OK.

BenjaLim

@PeterTamaroff My computer can only type the é

not the upside down question mark

user19161

@BenjaLim I once sang with a beautiful indonesian girl.

BenjaLim

@JasperLoy lu eh kong hokkien wa bo?

user19161

@BenjaLim Eh hiao.

BenjaLim

@JasperLoy hahahahahahahhahaa

@JasperLoy Lei sek kong guang dong wa mo?

user19161

05:17

@BenjaLim Hahaha, everyone will think we are nuts now.

user19161

@BenjaLim Nope.

user19161

So now on MSE only ben and peter know my secrets.

BenjaLim

@JasperLoy : youtube.com/watch?v=wflMFaDSJDo

user19161

@BenjaLim Hahaha.

BenjaLim

@JasperLoy Phua chu kang: youtube.com/watch?v=sxaCYZkbr8g

user19161

05:20

Hey @peter any pic of yourself you don't mind showing?

BenjaLim

@JasperLoy What do you think of PCK?

Private limited best in JB and Batam?

user19161

@BenjaLim Terrible.

BenjaLim

how come?

user19161

@BenjaLim Not my type of funny.

BenjaLim

ahahahahahahahahah

Peter Tamaroff

05:21

@JasperLoy I should look for one.

BenjaLim

@JasperLoy now you are going to think I am from singapore?

user19161

@BenjaLim Yeah. But I trust you don't lie.

user19161

I have not told a single lie in chat.

BenjaLim

@JasperLoy awwwww I'm so touched

user19161

I will take a pic of myself sometime later this year.

BenjaLim

05:23

@PeterTamaroff Do you know ragib?

Sometimes he comes on chat

I met up with him yesterday

had lunch and stuff

Peter Tamaroff

@BenjaLim Yes, but I don't talk with him much. It'd be cool to make a math.SE meeting.

Frank Science

I heard that westerners are full of rule consciousness, but I realize that I'm wrong. Only a few people here observe the Chat Rules.

BenjaLim

in DF

mexico city

user19161

@FrankScience I thought it is the easterners.

user19161

@FrankScience And hey you don't know where we all are from. We could be born in X, move to Y, study in Z etc.

Peter Tamaroff

05:24

@FrankScience No, Frank, that is by no means true. If you ever visit the "west" then avoid coming to Argentina.

user19161

@PeterTamaroff I only know Maradona.

BenjaLim

@PeterTamaroff nalbandian is useless man

Peter Tamaroff

@JasperLoy You should know who Caffarelli is.

BenjaLim

why kick the wood and hurt the line judge

Frank Science

For example, Germany?

user19161

05:25

@PeterTamaroff Left or right?

Peter Tamaroff

@JasperLoy HAHAHAHHA

BenjaLim

@PeterTamaroff Tevez, messi, di maria, maxi rodriguez

know these names?

Peter Tamaroff

@BenjaLim I seldomly despise football.

user19161

@PeterTamaroff I don't assume you know. I am a math guy.

BenjaLim

@PeterTamaroff maradona

Peter Tamaroff

05:26

@JasperLoy Jimmi Hendrix?

Frank Science

@JasperLoy I found that the people around us lack rule consciousness.

user19161

@PeterTamaroff I don't know who he is.

Peter Tamaroff

Wrong language.

Frank Science

@JasperLoy For example

Peter Tamaroff

Jimi Hendrix

:This article is about the guitarist. For the band, see The Jimi Hendrix Experience. "James Hendrix" redirects here. For the American soldier, see James R. Hendrix. James Marshall "Jimi" Hendrix (born Johnny Allen Hendrix; November 27, 1942 – September 18, 1970) was an American musician and singer-songwriter. He is widely considered to be the greatest electric guitarist in music history and one of the most influential musicians of his era despite mainstream exposure limited to just three years. After initial success in Europe with his group The Jimi Hendrix Experience, he achieved fame i...

user19161

05:27

@PeterTamaroff OK I just googled. Therefore you are the one on the left.QED.

BenjaLim

@PeterTamaroff my favourite player is robin soderling

Peter Tamaroff

@JasperLoy The one on the right is a wax sculpture!!

Frank Science

@JasperLoy In June, there was an important exam in China. Do you know?

BenjaLim

@PeterTamaroff The best moment of his career: youtube.com/watch?v=FpbbycTNN50

user19161

@PeterTamaroff WTF???

user19161

05:28

@FrankScience Nope. What is it?

Peter Tamaroff

@JasperLoy It is!

Frank Science

@JasperLoy University Entrance Test, named after gaokao.

Peter Tamaroff

google.com.ar/…

user19161

@FrankScience Ah, and how did you do?

Peter Tamaroff

Google "Maddamme Tusseaud's"

Frank Science

05:31

@JasperLoy There was somebody late for the test, about 2 min. The door keeper prohibitted him entering the test.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience WOW

That is sad.

user19161

@FrankScience That is too strict for a high school kid.

user19161

I am sick and tired of many rules in this world.

user19161

Stupid people make stupid rules leading to needless suffering.

Frank Science

@JasperLoy When the message spread out, many people criticized the door keeper.

I DON'T THINK SO.

user19161

05:33

@FrankScience I am speaking in general.

Frank Science

IT'S A RULE, OR MORE FORMAL, A LAW.

EVERYONE SHOULD OBSERVE IT WITHOUT CONSIDERATION.

NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS.

user19161

OK, maybe we can discuss this a year later and see if you have changed.

Frank Science

So even 1 second, or 1 MILLISECOND, he should be avoided to enter the test.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience I think that is stupid, Frank. What if there was a car accident? Or a manifestation in favour of human rights taht blocked the street?

Why do you think that rule should be enforced? What is the logic behind it?

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff If there's no addition explanation on the law, even if he were robbed, he should be avoided.

user19161

05:37

Hello @gigili. I was thinking about you just now.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience So that is a de facto arbitrary, non-humanistic law.

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff Because law is superior to any individual.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience Laws are made by individuals.

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff It might be a bug in law, but we should observe it until the law is edited.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience Laws are to benefit the population. I see no benefit in that law.

Do you agree that a law should benefit the population?

Frank Science

05:42

@PeterTamaroff You cannot go against it until it is voted to be canceled.

It's time for me to have lunch.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience But you can certainly protest against it.

@Gigili Hey.

Gigili

@JasperLoy For how long were you thinking of me?

Hello @Peter.

Peter Tamaroff

@JasperLoy Remember you owe me a picture.

Frank Science

An individual is NO MORE THAN a robot when observing the law. He/She can participate in downvoting it, making efforts to cancel it, but the law is effective until it's canceled.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience The law is at the service of individuals, not conversely. We create the law and modify it for our social (general) benefit. If a law is deficient then it must be changed.

David Wallace

05:57

@JasperLoy SALT

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience We are not robots Frank. We are humans. We create laws. The laws are at our service. We aren't at the service of the law. That would be a dictatorship. We would be bending over a de facto system of rules, no matter if we agree with them or not.

If someone came up with a law saying "All humans are not created as equals" would you "observe" it as a "robot"?

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff Why can he/she create such law? All laws should be voted.

@PeterTamaroff Is it taught that, you can go agianst the law whenever you think the law is not reasonable?

Peter Tamaroff

06:12

@FrankScience Of course, that is what a democracy is. Go against does not mean break, but rather oppose. This in turn means, creating a movement to change that law into another.

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff Sorry, my word is wrong.

@PeterTamaroff I meant that, we cannot break the law until the law is voted to be canceled.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience We can, but we shouldn't.

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff shan't

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience Yes.

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff So that high-school student late for the test shan't be allowed to enter the test, as the law isn't canceled.

Peter Tamaroff

06:15

As an example, I think cigarette should be prohibited. It kills more people a year than Hitler did during WWII.

But that doesn't mean I'm bombing cigarette factories.

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff Is it right now?

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience If you think the student is being benefited by breaking the law, he should.

@FrankScience ???

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff He can vote to cancel the rule, but he shan't be allowed to enter the test in that time.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience I'll give you an example.

Say your mother has had an awful injury, and you need to take her to the hospital. Will you respect traffic signs if they delay you?

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff the ambulance is allowed to break the rule of traffic lights in the law.

Peter Tamaroff

06:19

@FrankScience What if you're in your car? If it is too late to call an ambulance?

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff Shan't.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience You would let fate take its course?

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff There's something that needs explanation. I can break the rule of traffic signs in that extreme condition, but I shall be punished then.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience Of course there is something that needs explanation! Why the hell would you follow the rules if your personal well fare is at stake? =)

user19161

@PeterTamaroff Yes, I will take one later this year.

Peter Tamaroff

06:27

@FrankScience That is where the State or Government comes in. It provides the ambulance on time and in condition.

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff Well, I think there's something ambiguous.

@PeterTamaroff For example, I break the rule of traffic signs.

@PeterTamaroff Then I'm punished.

@PeterTamaroff Is it break the rule?

@PeterTamaroff For example, rule is just a computer program:

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience Try to write that last sentence again, I don't understand.

user19161

I see that Frank still does not use the right arrow to reply.

Takarakaka

Hi all. Wish me luck in half an hour going on exam. :D

Frank Science

I want a clear definition of break the rule.

Peter Tamaroff

06:31

@JasperLoy Darn, Rudin is filling my arse with definitions!

user19161

@Takarakaka Good luck! Make sure you go to the right venue!

Takarakaka

@FrankScience don't do by the rulez. :trollface:

Frank Science

You can think that, the rule is observe the traffic lights.

user19161

@PeterTamaroff Haha, he's dead you know. Same as Cohn.

Frank Science

You can think that the rule is:

Peter Tamaroff

06:32

@JasperLoy Yes I know.

Frank Science

R1 If you observe the traffic lights, go to R3.

Takarakaka

@JasperLoy Thanks. Going to do it.

Frank Science

R2 You're punished.

R3 Stop.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience Basically it is "Follow the rule imposed by the law".

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff You can think the tripple $\langle R_1,R_2,R_3\rangle$ as a rule.

Takarakaka

06:33

@FrankScience Man, now I know why are you called science!

Peter Tamaroff

The traffic rule is "If the traffic light is red, you must stop. Else, you're putting your fellow citizens at risk, and thus, you're being punished by paying a fine":

Note the you're putting your fellow citizens at risk part.

That is the reason why we stop at a red light.

Takarakaka

The traffic rule is following : On red you are not allowed to drive, on green you are allowed, on yellow you aren't if you think you won't make it in time to cross the intersection( or whatever ).

Peter Tamaroff

I can't afford to keep discussing this. Bye!

Frank Science

@Takarakaka We are discussing whether the law should be observed in extreme conditions.

@JasperLoy The problem is that, we have no clear definition of break the rules.

Peter Tamaroff

@MarianoSuárezAlvarez En castellano, neighborhood se dice "vecindad?" o sea usa otra palabra?

Mariano Suárez-Alvarez

06:46

vecindad o entorno

prefiero entorno :0

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff We should define the law and observe the law formally, just like in mathematics.

@PeterTamaroff To avoid sophism.

Peter Tamaroff

@MarianoSuárezAlvarez Je, si suena un poco mejor.

@MarianoSuárezAlvarez No estuviste por MSE estos últimos dias no?

Mariano Suárez-Alvarez

nop

la vida se interpuso :)

Peter Tamaroff

@MarianoSuárezAlvarez Para bien o para mal?

Mariano Suárez-Alvarez

Un poco de los dos!

:P

Peter Tamaroff

06:51

@MarianoSuárezAlvarez Ja, es como esto de que un conjunto puede ser abierto y cerrado a la vez!

Mariano Suárez-Alvarez

jaja

qué nerd :)

Peter Tamaroff

Yo por lo menos termine el primer cuatrimestre de CBC.

Tengo que hacer firmar la libreta nomás!

Mariano Suárez-Alvarez

Felicitaciones

Peter Tamaroff

@MarianoSuárezAlvarez Es cierto que influye el promedio del CBC en la carrera?

@MarianoSuárezAlvarez Gracias =)

Mariano Suárez-Alvarez

En todos los años que llevo dando clase en la UBA

Peter Tamaroff

06:53

(Aunque creo que la cosa seria no empezo todavia =P)

Mariano Suárez-Alvarez

jamás supe el promedio del CBC de ninguno de mis alumnos

Frank Science

And, you cannot suppose the hell, just like you don't assume that the god told you Goldbach's conjecture is stated when you're proving a math theorem.

Peter Tamaroff

@MarianoSuárezAlvarez Ah, OK. Escuche que te ayuda en los horarios, puede ser? (Que tenes mejores horarios depende el promedio) Pero quiza son leyendas urbanas!

Mariano Suárez-Alvarez

Creo que no

De todas maneras, elegir horarios solo lo podés hacer en las materias de 1er año

todas las demás se dictan en un solo horario por cuatrimestre

Peter Tamaroff

@MarianoSuárezAlvarez Ah, OK.

Mariano Suárez-Alvarez

06:55

(y casi todas un solo cuatrimestre al año)

Frank Science

Is it English chatroom?

Mariano Suárez-Alvarez

Yes

Peter Tamaroff

@MarianoSuárezAlvarez Ah, deben ir rapido entonces!

Frank Science

Well, these English characters are all Greek to me.

Peter Tamaroff

@MarianoSuárezAlvarez Al final pude encontrar una function para demostrar la expansion en serie de logaritmo igual que las otras tres que tenia! La demostracion que tenia para el logaritmo no encajaba con las demas.

Mariano Suárez-Alvarez

06:58

bien :)

Perdón pr no haber mandado nada---confieso que ahora no se donde lo puse

Estoy haciendo demasiadas cosas juntas estos tiempos :(

Peter Tamaroff

@MarianoSuárezAlvarez No problem. Yo espero. Quiza sigua avanzando con las ideas estas cuando sepa un poco mas y pueda contarte algo un poco mas interesante, no se. Igual, si lo encontras, me encantaria saber tu opinion.

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