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Hi. I'm looking at Milnor's "Geometric Realization" paper. I'm confused as to how he's defining the homology of a simplicial set. One way is to define it to be the homology of the realization, the other is to take the free abelian group construction and then take the homology of the alternating chain complex associated to this. It's not clear to me what he means?
He writes $H_(K) \cong H_*(S \vert K \vert)$, but does he mean $H_*( \vert K \vert) \cong H_ (\vert S (\vert K \vert) \vert)$
Let $A$ be the reals from [0,100] inclusive. I want to find the maximum and minimum sum of $x,y,z \in A$ s.t $xyz=64$. I am using lagrange multipliers and since I have a closed and bounded set it should get me both a min and max; however, I am only getting a min. How do I get the max using lagrange multipliers?

My work so far:

Let $f(x,y,z) = x + y + z$ and $g(x) = xyz - 64$ so $ \nabla f = [1,1,1] $ and $ \nabla g = [yz, xz, xy] $. $\nabla f = \lambda \nabla g$
So we get that $\lambda = \frac{1}{yz} = \frac{1}{xz} = \frac{1}{xy}$ and thus $x=y=z$ so $x=y=z=4$
This is what minimizes $f$, however, how do I find what maximizes $f$?
00:29
hm, what maximizes $f$, minimizes $-f$
(also $\dfrac{1}{f}$, on appropriate domains)
So do the lagrange multiplier again with $-f$
I think that would still give us $x=y=z$
I can see easily from inspection that the values that will maximize $f$ is $x= 64, y=1,z=1$. However, I am not understanding how to get these values from lagrange multipliers
Hello there!
I my script the unparameterized curve is given by $tan(x)=(2/3)*sqrt(abs(t)^3)*sgn(t)$. They rearrange the equation to get: $t= sgn(x)*abs((3/2)tan(x))^(2/3)$.
I am trying to figure out how to obtain the second equation and get stuck at the following step: $sgn(x)*abs((3/2)tan(x))=t*sqrt(abs(t))$.

I have no idea how to proceed (as the domain must include negative “t”)... please help!
 
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02:02
let $f_1(x)=f(x)$
$f_2(x)=f(f(x))$
$f_3(x)=f(f(f(x)))$ and so on....
is there some function for which $f_{\infty}$ converges?
except for something trivial like $f(x)=1^x$
02:12
anyone there?
I don't think so, not right now
consider $f_1(x)=\frac{x}{2}$. That'll converge towards 0
I suppose it also depends on your definition of convergence. Do you want $f_\infty$ to be an actually definable function?
i want $f_{\infty}(x)$ have a larger radius of convergence
sorry for being vague here
02:28
Well, that example I gave you technically converges on the whole real line, because $\lim\limits_{n\rightarrow\infty}\frac{x}{2^n}=0$ for all $x\in\mathbb{R}$
Pointwise convergence, I believe is the term
There is also uniform convergence, which is stronger than pointwise
(Also, sorry if my previous message was unclear. Reading it back it seems like I'm implying that my example isn't a definable function)
let me try to say this a bit differently
nvm i just can't frame it well
Do you want $f_\infty$ to not be a constant function, maybe?
@Rithaniel yes!
Give me a second and I'll see if I can come up with an example
sure
i think i may have found an example
$f_n(x)=^nx$
as $^{\infty}x$ converges
02:43
Yeah, but $f_2(x)\neq f_1(f_1(x))$
though it is unclear to me how we would define $f(x)$ in this case
Also, $f_4(x)\neq f_2(f_2(x))$
hmm i guess you are right
i can't think of any other example
Yeah, I can't come up with anything either. I'd believe that there are some, but they're elusive
i would be highly interested if a non constant function $f_{\infty}(x)$ existed
if $f_n(x)=^nx$, then is it even possible to define $f(x)$?
02:53
Well, first compare the values of $f_{2n}(x)$ and $f_n(f_n(x))$
This is how you are defining this sequence, and so, if it doesn't hold for any particular $n$, then these $f_n$ don't qualify as one of these sequences.
Cut from a single piece of paper, and yet braided
@Rithaniel i see
Is that like those cut double-tori? Cool
I dunno what those are
I'll find the video, just a moment
02:58
i'll state the question again in case if anyone who just came has any clue
let $f_1(x)=f(x)$
$f_2(x)=f(f(x))$
$f_3(x)=f(f(f(x)))$ and so on....
is there some non constant function for which $f_{\infty}(x)$ converges?
thanks for your help @Rithaniel
No problem, Mathphile
I have question about equality in Cauchy-Schwarz inequality:
I have this proof with me:
In proof, they only show that equality holds if $x$ is a specific scalar multiple of $y$, namely $\frac{||x||}{||y||}$, but in the statement of theorem, they claim that equality iff one of them scalar multiple of the other.
Anybody familiar with optimization with lagrange multipliers
I am still confused on how to get the maximum of $f$ in the problem I sent above
03:43
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Q: Is there some function $f(x)$ for which $f_{\infty}(x)$ is non-constant and converges?

Mathphilelet $f_1(x)=f(x)$ $f_2(x)=f(f(x))$ $f_3(x)=f(f(f(x)))$ and so on... Is there some function $f(x)$ for which $f_{\infty}(x)$ is non-constant and converges? It is okay if the $f_{\infty}(x)$ you find has a finite radius of convergence. The only example that comes to my mind would be like,...

03:59
@user170039 but that would be a constant function right?
user131753
@Mathphile The identity function is not constant. Isn't it?
No @Mathphile, there exists things called contraction mappings. That will satisfy your requirements
@user170039 oh i see what you mean
user131753
@SayanChattopadhyay By Banach Fixed Point Theorem, right?
Yeah
Just make sure you're dealing with a complete metric space. So like a closed and bounded interval will work.
04:05
@SayanChattopadhyay sorry I am not familiar with contraction mappings. So a $f(x)$ according to my requirements is impossible?
@SayanChattopadhyay are you there?
psa
psa
04:28
I'm trying to calculate the limit of $\frac{x^4 y^2}{x^4 + y^2}$ as $(x,y) \to (0,0)$. Is it valid to just say $0 < \frac{x^4 y^2}{x^4 + y^2} \leq \frac{x^4 y^2}{x^4} = y^2$ and take $y \to 0$?
Is there a function whose antiderivative of its antiderivative is easier to find than its antiderivative?
@user10478 i can tell you of a function that is equally easy
Me too :D
$f(x)=e^x$
04:33
what do you define as easier?
If I had the opportunity to choose between finding a first or second antiderivative, I should choose the second.
i don't think such a function exists
Okay, I can't think of a way to compute any second antiderivative other than memorizing it, or computing the antiderivative first.
although this makes me question that if the antiderivative of the function cannot be expressed in the form of elementary functions then does that imply that the second antiderivative cannot be expressed in the form of elementary functions?
I would be interested in a counterexample to that as well.
04:43
@user10478 you may be interested in finding an example for this question I just posted
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Q: Is there some function $f(x)$ for which $f_{\infty}(x)$ is a continuous non-constant function that converges?

Mathphilelet $f_1(x)=f(x)$ $f_2(x)=f(f(x))$ $f_3(x)=f(f(f(x)))$ and so on... Is there some function $f(x)$ for which $f_{\infty}(x)$ is a continuous non-constant function that converges? It is okay if the $f_{\infty}(x)$ you find has a finite radius of convergence. The only example that comes to...

04:54
Also, $f(x)=x$ satisfies these requirements. It converges to $f_\infty(x)=x$, though it's fairly uninteresting.
yes @Rithaniel
i haven't found a non-trivial example yet
I think you mean to say that the infinite function composition converges on a particular function, not that $f_{\infty}(x)$ converges. Is that accurate?
@user10478 exactly!
I feel like I'm pretty bad at explaining what I exactly want
I guess $1^x$ counts as a constant function.
 
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08:16
@Rithaniel That was precisely my example in the deleted comment.
09:01
Milnor is writing about h-cobordant manifolds as being the disjoint sum $M_1 + (- M_2)$
I assume $+$ is supposed to be $\sqcup$, but what is the minus here
(and $M_1 + (-M_2)$ is the boundary of some other manifold, but my point here was more asking what the notation was)
@Slereah I think in the context of oriented cobordism $-M_2$ means $M_2$ with reversed orientation
Ah yes
Sounds like it
Thanks
Hm
One of the reference is "Konstruktion dreidimensionaler geschlossener Raume"
Das nicht gut
Can't read the german
Though lucky me I can read French
Quite a lot of french math paper
Hm
The common definition of the connected sum does it over open sets of a disk minus a point
Not over the boundaries of the cut out disk
I should try to show them equivalent
Something something retraction
09:33
I did not sleep enough today to learn new math
09:44
The identification of the two punctured disks $\iota_{1,2}$ and the retraction from the collared neighbourhood onto the boundary of the disk make the identification of the boundaries so it's all continuous
Is that something
I don't know
10:21
hello
$C_n(A+B) \to C_n(A\cup B)$ is a quasi-isomorphism. Is the natural map $\cfrac{C_n(X)}{C_n(A+B)} \to \cfrac{C_n(X)}{C_n(A\cup B)}$ also a quasi-isomorphism?
Where $A, B$ are open subsets of $X$ and $C_n(A+B)$ denotes small chains (consisting of simplices whose images lie either entirely in $A$ or entirely in $B$).
 
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11:40
yes, by the five lemma and the long exact sequence in homology
 
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12:50
@MikeMiller So, I look at the long exact sequence in homology induced by the short exact sequences: $0 \to C_n(A+B) \to C_n(X) \to C_n(X)/C_n(A+B) \to 0$ and $0 \to C_n(A\cup B) \to C_n(X) \to C_n(X, A\cup B) \to 0$.
The first one will be: $\cdots \to H_n(A+B) \to H_n(X) \to H'_n \to H_{n-1}(A+B) \to H_{n-1}(X) \to \cdots$
and the other will be $\cdots \to H_n(A \cup B) \to H_n(X) \to H_n(X, A\cup B) \to H_{n-1}(A\cup B) \to H_{n-1}(X) \to \cdots$
where $H'_n$ is the homology of $C_n(X)/C_n(A+B)$.
so, by five lemma we get the isomorphism: $H'_n \to H_n(X, A \cup B)$.
right, @MikeMiller ?
Yes but you should probably figure out precisely how the five lemma applies. You need to manipulate these a little to break it into short exact sequences.
Quick sanity check: $\Bbb C\setminus \lbrace 0 \rbrace$ is not a star domain wrt any point in $\Bbb C\setminus \lbrace 0 \rbrace$ because $0$ always lies on the line connecting $z$ and $\bar{z} - 2\operatorname{Re}(z)$... right?
ah that's just -z
13:06
I dunno your formula but sure
Yeah
rofl
I just constructed it on a diagram and didn't bother to think what it actually was
> You need to manipulate these a little to break it into short exact sequences.
@MikeMiller the induced isomorphisms will commute with maps in the homology sequence right?
Yes, but why?
@ÍgjøgnumMeg or consider the line (1-2t)z lol
@Mike yeah it seems to answer my own questions I just have to type them on here
I don't see why I need to break the homology sequence.
13:10
Do you know the statement of the five lemma
Oh shoot
Do I know the statement of the five lemma, is a better question
My apologies
For some reason thought it was stated for maps of SES instead of 5-term exact sequences
@MikeMiller Thanks.
BTW, is this result supposed to be obvious?
It did not at all seem obvious to me.
@Mathein ready for some Iwasawa theory tomorrow? lol
@ÍgjøgnumMeg yeah
Exciting, not that I'll understand much of it lol
Milnor&Stasheff states it as if it should be obvious.
13:21
Hoping the weather picks up by tomorrow too
@feynhat It is for me, but that is probably just because I am used to this argument.
I see.
It's sort of like one of those group isomorphism theorems. Phrased much more generally, suppose you have chain complexes $C_1, C_2, C_3$, and inclusions $C_1 \hookrightarrow C_2 \hookrightarrow C_3$. Suppose the first inclusion is a quasi-isomorphism.
Then the same argument implies that $C_3/C_1 \to C_3/C_2$ is a quasi-isomorphism.
Sounds like a simple version of the third isomorphism theorem to me.
yeah it's exactly the third isomorphism theorem + long exact homology sequence. if $C_1 \hookrightarrow C_2$ is a quasi-isomorphism, then $C_2/C_1$ is acyclic. So if you apply the LES to $0 \to C_2/C_1 \to C_3/C_1 \to C_3/C_2 \to 0$, you get what you want
13:45
Integrand is to integral as what is to derivative?
i guess school has started...
a lot of very basic questions in short order
that's always the case here
@MatheinBoulomenos @MikeMiller Thanks a lot.
I'm just trying to figure out this word for my own notes. I'm doing a presentation as part of my Economics Masters. I'm going to draw the function inside $\frac{\mathrm d}{\mathrm dx}\left(1-\exp\left(-\int_0^x \theta(s)\,\mathrm ds\right)\right)$ on the board, but I was wondering to myself what to call it.
If you want a more complex kind of question, we can always come up with some :]
13:57
($\theta$ is decreasing)
@ahom 'Operand of d/dx'?
@feynhat Thanks for the suggestion
@ÍgjøgnumMeg: i meant on the main site.
> if $C_1 \hookrightarrow C_2$ is a quasi-isomorphism, then $C_2/C_1$ is acyclic.
@MatheinBoulomenos So, this follows by considering the LES of $0 \to C_1 \to C_2 \to C_2/C_1 \to 0$, which is:
$\cdots H_n(C_1) \to H_n(C_2) \to H_n(C_2/C_1) \to H_{n-1}(C_1) \to H_{n-1}(C_2) \to \cdots$.
14:06
@copper.hat i see, I saw one earlier where someone somehow hadn't even asked a question, just dumped a load of symbols and clicked ask
So, $H_0(C_2/C_1)$ may not be zero?
i like to help where i can, but i find do my homework approach a bit irksome.
@feynhat why not? you have $H_1(C_1) \to H_1(C_2) \to H_0(C_2/C_1) \to H_0(C_1) \to H_0(C_2)$
$H_1(C_1) \to H_1(C_2)$ and $H_0(C_1) \to H_0(C_2)$ are isomorphisms which implies that $H_0(C_2/C_1)=0$
aah, right.
you don't even need the 5-lemma with this approach. Just apply LES to $0 \to C_1 \to C_2 \to C_2/C_1 \to 0$, then apply LES to $0 \to C_1/C_2 \to C_3/C_1 \to C_3/C_2 \to 0$ and then you're done
14:18
I was thinking of $(S^{n-1}, D^n)$ pair. That sequence stops before n=0.
@copper.hat aye, it is annoying, it's alright if it's a "couldst thou perhaps verify my approach pretty please" question
@MatheinBoulomenos Yes, I understand.
In fact $C_1 \hookrightarrow C_2$ is a quasi-isomorphism is equivalent to stating $C_2/C_1$ is acyclic
@BalarkaSen Oh yes. This again follows from that LES.
14:31
Can anyone explain how f(n) is O(g(n)) in this case i.imgur.com/sKGPlp5.png ?
I'm not exactly sure what ratio of f(n)/g(n) would be when limit approaches infinity.
If it is zero, then why it isn't Ω instead of O according to this i.imgur.com/XEp7Xn6.png
I am trying to transform $y' - \frac{1}{x}y = y^2 - \frac{3}{x^2}$ into a second order linear ODE. According to math.stackexchange.com/a/3053787/109355 I should use $u = -\frac{y'}{y}$, but I'm having trouble algebraically eliminating every $y$ with this substitution. How do I get the ODE in terms of $u$?
14:55
I mean.. $y \mapsto -\frac{u^\prime}{u}$ gives a linear second order ode
If my algebra is right you get $u'' - \frac{1}{x}u' - \frac{3}{x^2}u = 0$
Ahh, so the answerer just got the substitution backwards I guess.
15:11
Where is the $n^6$ term in this Cauchy-Schwarz inequality calculation derived from? (math.stackexchange.com/a/1023152)
15:30
Say one has a polynomial $x^4+x^3y^1+x^2y^2+...+y^4$ which is a sum of $x_i y_j$ over all indices $i,j$. Can the Cauchy Schwarz inequality be applied to that sum, considering the fact that the sum is being taken over two different indices?
15:40
your "..." literally omits one single term
16:01
Didn't realise how much falls straight out of the Cauchy integral formula's butt
It's a good one
The whole point is somehow that when you integrate something which has a convergent power series expansion with possibly negative power terms (could be infinitely many negative power terms, I am allowing essential singularities), only the coefficient of the $1/z$ term is picked up
That's exactly the working principle of Cauchy integral formula
nise
and that's where the $2\pi i$ comes from
Exactly. Somehow amongst all $z^n$, $n \in \Bbb Z$, only $n = -1$ is the unusual guy in the sense that all the others have antiderivatives which are honest to god functions. But the $1/z$ guy integrates to $\log(z)$ - something multivalued.
Which has value well-defined only upto multiples of $2\pi i$ - how many multiples are there is recorded by the winding number of the loop you are integrating around
16:06
Yeah it's all very fancily phrased but it's a very simple observation
The only term in a Laurent series w/o a globally defined antider is 1/z
And it has an almost globally defined antider so you can see exactly what happens as you circle the singularity
v. cool
wish my undergrad lecturers had talked about this stuff lol
I find it to be a simple but extremely deep observation
But what do I know
Is there a symbol to denote a composition of n functions? Should be similar to a sum or prod
${\Huge\circ}$
I knew that was coming
16:12
(joke)
note that composition of functions is not commutative
usually inclined to write eg $f_n \circ \cdots \circ f_1$
I suppose one other way to say this is that the $1$-form $dz/z$ has a pole at both $0$ and $\infty$ (on $\Bbb{CP}^1$)
poles at infinity confused me, they dont work like you would immediately expect
16:21
The only way to get a non-exact meromorphic form on $\Bbb{CP}^1$ is to balance the number $-2$ on both $0$ and $\infty$ so that they are both negative
Because the Euler class of the cotangent bundle is $-2$ :)
And $dz/z$ you verify does the trick (change charts by $w = 1/z$)
a @Balarka: Or you could take $dz$, even simpler :P
That's exact
No it isn't, silly goose. We're on $\Bbb P^1$.
Oh yeah
Wait, but $dz$ vanishes with order $1$ at $0$
I don't want that
What are you talking about?
16:26
OK, my non-exactness thing wasn't the right condition. I meant I want a form which is nonexact and it's nonexactness is witnessed by the equator $|z| = 1$, as in, it integrates to something nonzero along the equator.
Basically the divisor corresponding to it should be $a(0) + b(\infty)$ with $a + b = -2$ and $a, b < 0$
Basically non-exact on both the charts containing $0$ and $\infty$
I wasn't following anything at the beginning. I was just trying to illustrate the pole of order $2$ at $\infty$ and the Euler class comment.
Yeah I was just coming up with some made up explanation of why $1/z$ is the only interesting function amonst all of $z^n$, $n \in \Bbb Z$
I got your point, should have been more precise
Yeah, sure, different issues. My pole of order $2$ at $\infty$ is invisible to residues.
Where does the $n^2$ term in the inequality from the linked answer come from? (math.stackexchange.com/a/2528256)
If one applies the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality twice, shouldn’t one get the same inequality but with the $n^2$ term removed?
16:34
you do Cauchy-Schwarz with a bunch of $1$s
$\left|\sum a_i\right|\le n\|a\|$?
You don't need CS for that, although you can use it if you insist.
It's just $|a_i|\le \|a\|$.
I was just explaining the linked answer
you're right of course
I'm not sure the answerer was thinking CS.
16:37
Okay, but what is meant with Cauchy-Schwarz with a bunch of $1$s?
I just made that point in a comment, though.
Dot the vector $a$ with the vector all of whose entries are $1$.
@TedShifrin out of curiosity, how do you usually denote that vector? I default to $u$ since all the entries are unity.
I don't. Some people write $\vec 1$.
yeah. and in some contexts I would agree with that.
but using u is not necessarily practical, since it is not a unit vector
16:47
Who says $u$ must be a unit vector? :P
I use the letters u and v for vectors all the time.
ahh, good point
16:58
https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3385687/how-to-find-the-number-of-coprime-numbers-to-100

wtf
@ÍgjøgnumMeg lol
That is one amazingly wrong answer by Sam
and the other answer lol
OY. OY.
Actually, the OP did say 2-digit numbers.
@TedShifrin they edited
17:00
I think he just edited it, it wasn't like that originally lol
Yeah, I just inferred that.
(or she)
they
that answer is indeed amazingly wrong
rofl
the number of times the word "coprimes" is used in that post is horrifying
twin coprimes njecture
17:07
ha
I'm so glad I eschew number theory ... and numbers :P
@Mathein is there usually no Skript for ANT I?
@ÍgjøgnumMeg depends on the prof
I guess Skript is German for syllabus?
I've noticed that word appearing both on main and in chat.
Skript means lecture notes
17:21
so like is Festskript
That makes sense; thanks, @Mathein.
hi @Rudi
@hi ted!
hi @ÍgjøgnumMeg taugts dir in H.?
@TedShifrin it can mean lots of things, here I guess its "lecture notes"
that would be students slang
(whatever syllabus means)
Anyone interested to share a thought on the Riemann-Hypotheses? I just came to the surprising idea that no one probably really understands it. Because if so we would have a proof, right? Does that conclusion always work? What about the four-color theorem then.
Just some thought after the first evening beer ...
depends on how you define "understand"
:-) like = having a proof ;-)
Hi @Mathein! btw
17:31
Hi @Rudi
well, if you define understanding like that, then the statement "we don't understand it because we don't have a proof" is tautologically true
Yeah I am happy that you confirm that great wisdom that emerged from my brain ....
No but lets take the RH
Last I heard, the 4-color theorem is definitely considered proved, although the proof I know of involved some computer checks.
@TedShifrin right, so we have a proof, but possibly don't understand shit?
yes, depending on how something is proved, we might have little understanding on "why" something is true even if we have a proof
if you proof something by brute force/random ad-hoc tricks that give no insight, then I guess we don't really understand the result, even if we know it's true
17:34
lets get back to RH: I mean do we really know what it would imply if there was some off-the critical line zero of the zeta function?
I agree with what @Mathein said. In terms of teaching, in more elementary courses I only presented a proof when it gave understanding to how/why the theorem works.
hi @Semi
@Rudi_Birnbaum certainly some things are known. pretty sure there's entire papers written under the heading of "Suppose the Riemann hypothesis is false."
@Rudi_Birnbaum yes, we have a pretty good understanding on the implications of RH and the failure of RH I'd say. The zeroes of the zeta function are linked to the distribution of primes
17:36
@MatheinBoulomenos no question about that
I just wonder if we really can claim to understand everything important about it.
56
Q: What if the Riemann Hypothesis were false?

Craig FeinsteinThere are lots of known and interesting consequences of the Riemann Hypothesis being true. Are there any known and interesting consequences of the Riemann Hypothesis being false?

rather disappointing to only have one answer for that
@Semiclassical But that adds nothing to my question.
You asked what it would imply if there was a zero off the critical line, i.e. the RH is false. I linked to an example of such an implication.
with a proper understanding I would mean that all consequences of it being false should be more or less obviuos
ALL?
That's asking a lot.
17:38
@Semiclassical yes one example.
But understanding would not mean to see why one counterexample works it would rather give rise to a massive series of conclusions, or something like that.
@TedShifrin yeah maybe then not really all but lets say at least almost all ...
Maybe we can give an example where a proof really lead to a breakthrough in insight, that has not existed when the thing was a conjecture?
In modern maths the situation seems to be a bit twisted, such that you first need the breakthrough in insight/methods that is then followed by the proof
But I guess that situation might be seen as "in principle equivalent"
@Rudi taugt ma scho!
Hi @TedShifrin
@ÍgjøgnumMeg cool!
Hi @Brandon
Hello Everyone
17:46
@Semiclassical Well that looks also cool "Thus if RH is false, any positive integer can be the class number of finitely many imaginary quadratic fields."
hi @Brandon
Hi Rudi
the trouble is that we're looking for 'intuitive' implications of a question which is highly non-intuitive
@Rudi_Birnbaum no, that's proven unconditionally
for any positive integer there are only finitely many imaginary quadratic fields with that class number
context:
Before the work of Heilbronn, Mordell had shown that if infinitely many imaginary quadratic fields have the same class number (any common value) then RH for the Riemann zeta-function is true. Thus if RH is false, any positive integer can be the class number of finitely many imaginary quadratic fields. — KConrad Jul 11 '13 at 22:33
That's from the earlier MO question I linked.
seems to be in reference to this paper of Mordell: londmathsoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1112/jlms/s1-9.4.289
@Semiclassical Well if you read Riemanns paper it seems it was the most natural thing to search for (at least for him).
17:51
Saying that X was intuitive for Riemann isn't exactly evidence for it being intuitive to mere mortals like ourselves :P
@Semiclassical that looks quite digestible!
@Semiclassical I don't believe he was an alien.
If you read the wiki biography of Riemann its kind of weird how he died so young and didnt do mathematics for all that long, but still so many modern ideas and concepts "go back to something Riemann was thinking about"
It's quite funny that the paper containing Riemann's hypothesis was the only paper he ever published in number theory
also his famous habilitation talk supposedly contains the germ of so much stuff. That doesnt really seem all that believable to me, how long did he talk for and how vague must the talk have been for those claims to be true
Suppose I have a subring R of $\mathbb{C}[x]$ with the property that $f(1) = f(-1)$ for all $f \in R$. Can anyone show me or give me a hint to show that R is not principal ideal domain?
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@s.harp I have read that once. But I am no professional mathematician, so I can't tell
@ÍgjøgnumMeg was there even number theory before that?
certainly
@Rudi Riemann's doctoral advisor was Gauß
lol
@Semiclassical it was no serious question ...
18:02
@ÍgjøgnumMeg hell!
@Rudi_Birnbaum was it super long?
no
not at all
mathematical genealogy is crazy when you trace it back
Riemann 1854: Curvature should be part of geometry, give me habilitation kthx bye
yeah basically everyone is related to Gauß or Hilbert the end
18:04
everybody: amazing!
the mathematical anecdote re: habilitation which I keep looking for (and keep failing to find)
is where one of the members of the habilitation committee asked the speaker, of the three topics they were offering to speak about, which they knew the least about
and subsequently asked them to speak on that topic, to see what they'd say about a topic of which the speaker knew nothing
it's bugged me for years
@Semiclassical that is still common practise in my alma mater
I looked at some example tree once. Some guy had among his academic ancestors: Gauß, Euler, Hilbert, Fourier, Kant, Fichte, Schelling, Hegel and several other well-known names
@Semiclassical however you get the three subjects two weeks in advance
@MatheinBoulomenos direct ancestors?
18:07
right
the idea is you should be able to teach on anything in your general subject, which is fair
"(super doctorate)"
lolyes
a more skeptical account is here: books.google.com/…
some primary material here: books.google.com/…
here is doi which you can access with sci-hub researchgate.net/publication/…
18:13
(note how hard it is to even determine what Riemann thought about his Habilitation)
@MatheinBoulomenos mine is/will be kind of boring
I wanted to upload it but I guess its long (an german anyway)
I can find Jacobi
18:54
why learn to read in foreign language when you can use google translator instead
because google translator is a fairly crude tool?
it's an improvement over nothing, to be sure
@LeakyNun Can you scroll up and look at my message?
@LeakyNun regarding a PID
19:09
Seems like any element of that subring should be of the form f(x)=f(1)+(1-x^2)g(x) for some (possibly zero) polynomial g(x)
@Semiclassical hmmmm ok
@LeakyNun answer: for trivial reasons
@famesyasd at least use deepl ...
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