see you!

@leo Are you leaving?

Hi all. :)

@Takarakaka Hello.

I never learn math, I don't understand how people can remember shit from years ago

Back when I was in school, one of my professors would always say we needed to study math at least 14 hours a day, seven days a week. I don't think he was kidding. Is this normal, or was he just being extreme?

@Jordan learning is not to remember shit from years ago, learning is to remember how to deal with shit once you need it. ;)

I would go insane doing 14 hours a day

I can only do about 15 minutes and then I need a breal

Well, some of us spend 14 hours on games, some on math! :) It's all in personality.

@PeterTamaroff hello! :)

I've put in 14 hours a day, but it seems impossible to put aside that much time on a daily basis.

I'm just curious how much the grad students and professions do on a daily basis.

I have made 5 Q. for tommorow, right now I am so tired I am going to take a nap( not sleep, 'cause I won't make all my obligations I am required to fulfill in 2 days ) :(

I can play games for 14 hours because it is engaging and interesting and keeps changing, 14 hours of math is just a slog of repition, frustration

As I said, it's all in the personality. Don't you think that for some person solving math problems represents fun?

I can't imagine it being fun

It is like working in a factory, doing the same thing over and over for hours for little pay and no hope

@Jordan Not necessarily

I would hate doing the "same thing" over and over

and similarly anything monotonous like factory work

No thought, creativity or imagination goes into it, just repitition and memorization

@Jordan I have never seen anything that requires as much thought and creativity as mathematics.

programming is far more interesting I think

I think it mostly depends on what level of math you're studying too.

even at the most basic level it requires a lot of thinking and creativity, the opposite of math

calc 2 is just 8 hours of homework a day of repitition

@Jordan All the interesting problems of programming are math IMHO. I think you have the wrong impression of math. I'm a math major, not comp sci, yet I'm one of the algorithm designers on my team competing in the Internation Collegiate Programming Contest.

Sorry to be absent most of today. I have been working offline and also on a couple of main site problems. Anything interesting happen here today?

@AlexBecker There are many non-math related programming problems to solve. Really most math problems are actually just programming problems

just replace numbers with letters

How many hours a day on math do you think you average @AlexBecker? (Feel free to not answer if it's personal.)

@Jordan Part of the problem may be that you've never seen real math. I have a lot of issues with the way lower-level math is taught today, often focusing on repetition rather than the underlying thought processes.

I am in calc 2

well I am not in it anymore, I dropped out

@Jordan Numbers are very rare in many mathematicians lives.

@Clara It varies. Certainly not 14 though, escept on rare occassions when I'm on break and find myself here :)

I just get bored doing this math, it just seems like learning different methods for the sake of learning. Nothing is ever really put to use and the problems we learn have to be so carefully selected to be able to be done in a very specific way. It just seems really sterile and boring. Like trying to learn to drive on a driving course under 20 mph

@anon: hey there! how are things?

@AlexBecker if you think the triangular billiards conjecture makes for poor small talk try explaining what an elliptic curve is!

@robjohn imma bout to go to sleep

@Eugene Eh, I would at least be briefer, since I know very little about the subject.

@anon sorry to have missed you. Sleep well; hopefully, I'll see you tomorrow.

@anon I didn't cap, but I got over 200 :-)

one more day toward the Epic badge.

@robjohn Wow. That's dedication.

@AlexBecker There are a few more minutes left, but I doubt that I will get 40 points in 6 minutes :-)

@AlexBecker How's the weather in Chicago? My son goes to school there.

@robjohn It's been rainy and hot lately. Which is fine, unless you're like me and on the top floor of an apt building with no AC.

It's pretty gross right now, in my opinion.

@AlexBecker woah! was that you?

@DylanMoreland the weather?

Yes.

@DylanMoreland did you decide that it is a counterexample in the end?

@robjohn Huh?

@Eugene Haven't really thought about it since.

@DylanMoreland i see.

@AlexBecker I got a sudden influx of votes.

@DylanMoreland i'm starting to dig through hartshorne. it's a pain.

@Eugene which Hartshorne?

@robjohn No, it wasn't. But congrats!

@robjohn Your son doesn't go to the University of Chicago, by any chance?

@robjohn AG.

I hate how math texts love to use words to confuse things