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05:45
@MikeMiller Yes you are right, I was implicitly making those assumptions. My apologies for not stating those explicitly.
is anyone online??
i want to ask a question
@MathGeek
just ask
Q. 5/4 (sin x)^2 + (sin x.cos x)^2 >cos 2x
My attempt- it can be re written as (4 sinx)^4 -17 (sinx)^2 +4<0
if a,b, c are elements of an integral domain then gcd(ac, ab) = a, is this true for arbitrary domains
so 1/4<(sinx)^2<4 or pi/6<sin x<pi/2
but according to my book it's answer is pi/6 to 5(pi/6)
Where am i wrong?@Sonal_sqrt
05:55
Fix $n > 1$ and let's say I have a space $X$ and an Eilenberg-Maclane space $K(\pi_n(X), n)$, I want to show that there exists a continuous map $f : X \to K(\pi_n(X), n)$ such that the induced map $f_* : \pi_n(X) \to \pi_n(K(\pi_n(X), n)) \cong \pi_n(X)$ is (equivalent to) the identity map $1_{\pi_n(X)}$. (Assuming that this is true in general of course)
Now if the functors $\pi_n$ were full functors then this would be a trivial category theoretic proof. However I'm not sure if the functors $\pi_n$ are full functors and if they are not I guess I would have to construct such a map by hand.
you are almost right
note that sin(pi/2+x)=sin(pi/2-x)
so sin(pi/6) = sin(5pi/6)
@Sonal_sqrt but my book answer doesn't include pi/2
it does
you answer is subset of the book's answer $\pi/2 \in [\pi/6, 5\pi/6]$
Lemma 4.31 in Hatcher is something very similar to an answer I'm seeking but the maps are the other way around in that case.
@Perturbative did you post it as a question
06:03
No I didn't yet
more people online there so try that
I will if nobody here is able to answer
Thanks for your suggestion, though
06:26
if a,b, c are elements of an integral domain then gcd(ac, ab) = a, is this true for arbitrary domains
What's an arbitrary domain? Even in integral domains gcd does not always make sense, you need a gcd domain (or a Bezout domain if you also want Bezout's identity to work)
yeah please explain arbitrary domain.
06:49
more specifically domain $Z[\sqrt{-5}]$ has elements $a= 3, b= 1+2\sqrt{-5}$, I have shown that these two don't have a common divisor now there is the element $c=7(1+2\sqrt{-5})$
Now question asks to prove $ca, cb$ have gcd$=1$ but i feel this is incorrect.
07:00
Why?
Which other common divisors are there? Which do you think should be the gcd if it is not 1?
$1+2\sqrt{-5}$ must divide $ca, cb$
This seems true by construction. Am i missing something?
You're correct, but you're missing that this is not enough to conclude that the gcd is not one, you're not in a UFD, I don't see why there should be a greatest common divisor just because there is some common divisor
ok(mind blown)
so how do i show there is no gcd?
@Semiclassical what about $a_{n}=2^{n}$ for all n and $b_{n}=1$ for $n>=1$ with $b_{0}=0$ does that work?
@Sonal_sqrt I guess in this case you can bruteforce it, write down all common divisors
07:19
common divisors are $7,1+2\sqrt{-5}$, right?
is there a next step?
07:49
Morning all
08:12
Morning guys, I have a simple question, is it correct to write that $\mathbb{R} \in \mathcal{B}(\mathbb{R})$? where $\mathcal{B}$ represents the Borel sigma-algebra?
I know that the sigma algebra contains all the open intervals, and in particular $(-\infty, \infty)$ right?
 
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10:13
@Mathein hab a wohnung in Mannheim gefunden
lol
@ÍgjøgnumMeg du hasch a wohnung i Mannheim gfunde?
@Leaky jo genau :)
@ÍgjøgnumMeg mir scheints gut?
lol alles ab 11 uhr
voll geil
geil?
10:28
ich glaub ich hab ANT von 9-11
geil heißt cool, ist aber umgangssprachlich
und heißt eigentlich "horny"
@ÍgjøgnumMeg ???
also "geil" heißt "horny" aber man sagt es immer für "cool" und man sagt eher nicht "geil" wenn man horny ist
hahahaha
@Leaky und wann fängst du an? :)
bei ein Woch glaub ich
in einer Woche*
Hi there, in the theorem found in this question, i.e. $AX=BX \iff A=B$ for any $n \times 1$ matrix $X$ and $m \times n$ matrices $A,B$, why does $X$ specifically need to be a $n \times 1$ matrix?
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Q: How can I prove $AX=BX$ for every $n\times1$ column matrix $X \implies A=B$

user42912Let $A$ and $B$ be matrices $n\times n$. Suppose $AX=BX$ for every $n\times 1$ column matrix $X$. How can I prove this implies $A=B$?

Wouldn't a $n \times \text{whatever}$ matrix do?
11:01
indeed
@ÍgjøgnumMeg that was fast
@Alessandro lol yeah, I searched for private student housing and there is a newbuild in Mannheim
so I applied for one :)
And they already answered? German efficiency at its best
(by the way living in Germany you'll realize that the whole efficiency stereotype is a huge lie and I don't know how they convinced everyone)
Yep, the nice side of German efficiency
hahaha
Well certainly the Austrians were not efficient
11:25
13hrs 20mins drive to Mannheim
T_T
@rapasite those sequences correspond to A(x)=1+2x+4x^2+8x^3+...=1/(1-2x) and B(x)=0+1x+1x^2+1x^3+..,=x/(1-x). Hence A(x)B(x)=x/((1-x)(1-2x)). Computing the first few terms, we get A(x)B(x)=0+x+3x^2+7x^3+...
So the coefficient sequence associated to A(x)B(x) in that case is {0,1,3,7,...}
But the term-by-term product of those sequences is {1*0,2*1,4*1,8*1,...}={0,2,4,8,...}
Those don’t match so no, that’s not an example
11:53
@Perturbative No need to apologize, just explaining where I stand
It's just important to remember that there's not usually any map $E^r \to E^{r+1}$
 
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13:12
Why we don't need axiom of choice to prove that the cartesian product of finitely many sets (each of them maybe uncountably infinite ?) is nonempty ?
@Lelouch some discussion of that here: mathoverflow.net/questions/32538/….
13:48
@ÍgjøgnumMeg cool :)
@MatheinBoulomenos hast du mein Zeitplan gsehn?
yes
bzw. ja
seems cool. No classes before 11, no classes on friday
@AlessandroCodenotti I agree
14:39
@Mathein :D so circa 18km ausserhalb Heidelbergs
@ÍgjøgnumMeg cool! Das willst du aber nicht mit dem Fahrrad fahren, oder?
naja, dann bleibst du auf jeden Fall fit
lol ja
ist aber alles flach im Rhein-Neckar-Kreis
In Plymouth fährt man dauernd bergauf
lol
 
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16:32
@Semiclassical sorry about that my intuition was wrong
oow wait I find it then
A(x)=1+1x+2x^2+4x^3+8x^4+... and B(x)=0+1x+1x^2+1x^3+1x^4+...
@Semiclassical if it is still wrong I am sorry about your time bro^^
17:11
is the use of a semi-colon appropriate in this sentence?

So in the interest of preventing notational clutter any reference to $\sigma$-algebras will be dropped from now on; they are always the Borel $\sigma$-algebras.
@s.harp yes
:)
is this true : 0+1x+1x^2+1x^3+..,=x/(1-x) ?
@ÍgjøgnumMeg gr8 m8, i appreci8, making proofs readable is hard work
@s.harp aye, I think I'll have to write my p-sets in German
which will be hard at first lol
just make sure you dont use "dannn" for "dann und nur dann"
17:25
what is your version of "Let"
Sei?
Sei $G$ eine Gruppe
Sei blah eine bleh
Hahah okey
hmm what's the dann und nur dann construction
you can write dann und nur dann, but more common is genau dann wenn, abbreviated to gdw
ahhh nice
Genau dann ist bleh wenn blah bloh ist
blah ist bleh genau dann wenn bloh bluh ist
17:28
lol okey
what you wrote is correct (in the german grammar sense) but i cant recall having seen it in math
I found a flat in Mannheim :) But I need to have einen Bürgen and I don't know if I can do that with my parents since they are in the UK lol
nice ! (you need to einbürger yourself, einbürgern is a verb not a noun)
you dont need your parents for it either (i think?)
Oh what is einbürgern?
oh as in
Citizenship? lol
become a bürger
17:30
I mean.. Bürgschaft ist a thing right? When you want to rent a place and need einen Bürgen to guarantee in case you can't pay your Miete
im not sure actually what is meaning is for the local government, but i thought it was the same as declaring that you are living there
ohh, you need a Bürgschaft
ok thats soemthing else, thats for the people leasing you the apartment ^.^
Yeah
indeed :P
Also es heißt "der Bürge" oder? Jemand der für dich die Miete zahlt wenn du's ned kannst
Such' ihn über'm Sternenzelt! Über Sternen muß er wohnen.
ja, ich glaube, dass deine Eltern auch für dich bürgen können wenn sie nicht in Deutschland sind
Ah okey :) Sonst hätt ich beim DAAD gefragt ob sie's machen können hahhaa
17:33
it might be a good idea to have that dealt with while your parents are still eu citizens
ERGHHHHHH
rofl
I hate my country
Seriously this place is full of dumb assholes
The rise of the right
I will seriously consider renouncing my British citizenship once I've been in Germany long enough hahaha
@s.harp will you attend the Iwasawa theory minikurs?
I don't have a very clear vision of these things, but populism (or mainstream political engagement if you will) has been going up everywhere
@ÍgjøgnumMeg whats that?
@s.harp there is a workshop on Iwasawa theory going on in Heidelberg
from the 9th of October I think
17:37
right now?
for 2 weeks
Not yet lol
oh, I don't know anything about Iwasawa theory apart from $SL_2(\Bbb R) \cong \Bbb R \times \Bbb R_{>0}\times S^1$, so I might attend a few of the lectures/seminars
@s.harp there are just 6 lectures, it's for Iwasawa theory of elliptic curves, I don't imagine I'll understand a whole lot of it
but it's aimed at undergrads/grad students and doctoral students
I imagine during that time I'll be either none, one, or two of those
lol tf
you are undergrad right now right?
17:40
i have to hand in my master thesis on monday Xd
oh shiiiit good luck hahaha
what's it on? :)
Cartan geometry / Lorentz 3-folds
bleh
sounds like smth I would find hard
basically generalising the result that there are no compact riemannian manifolds with non-compact isometry group to a context where that result is no longer true
17:48
@s.harp I don't think Iwaswa theory in NT is related to the Iwasawa decomposition
okay so it's fine that I didn't recognise that
@MatheinBoulomenos ok, so I guess the statement should be "I don't know anyhting about Iwasawa theory apart from the fact that $SL_2(\Bbb R)\cong \Bbb R\times \Bbb R_{>0}\times S^1$ is not Iwasawa theory" :P
18:08
ok. something i've been struggling with is:

consider sierpinksi's gasket. let the x-axis be defined along the bottom edge and the y-axis be defined along the left-edge of the equillateral triangle (i.e. - take regular coordinate axis and rotate the y axis clockwise by 30-degrees)
if we express all coordinates in base 2
then any coordinate where the 'x' has a 1 in the same position as the 'y' does is not part of the triangle
(e.g. --- (.101, .001) is not part of sierpinski's gasket)
also important: any coordinate where 'x' and 'y' have 1 in different positions IS part of the triangle
but like... it looks to me like this is just not true. like if i draw the first iteration of sierpinski's gasket (w/ only the middle triangle cut out) it seems easy to come up with points inside that center triangle that have 1 in different coordinates
and i'm not that bad at drawing
I'm given the density of a planet, and its mass. I'm supposed to find the radius. I restructured the volume formula to r = (cube root of 3V/4pi)
also i'm just kind of having a hard time characterizing the points w/i the triangle outside of drawing :(
I'm not entirely confident of my approach, am I going in the right direction?
that's the right direction, yes
ok i take back what i said about drawing it
but i am still having a somewhat difficult time characterizing the points well
18:23
Let $H \leq G$ be a subgroup, why is $\cap_{x \in G} xHx^{-1}$ also a subgroup of $H$?
How is it even a subset?
18:35
consider what happens for $x=e$
@TedShifrin so here's something fun. i was doing a quick geometry calculation for correlation stuff
after I did so, I went back and checked that one thesis you sent me
and I (unsurprisingly) found the calculation I wrote on the board this morning staring back at me
(including almost the same exact notation, though not quite)
@MatheinBoulomenos but that's only 1 value.
@MatheinBoulomenos if we take $x \in G - H$, how is this true?
@Hawk It is an intersection
@TobiasKildetoft okay so...? i m taking all $x \in G - H$, what changes?
So you decided to change the question?
18:41
No
I just don't see what the difference is
if $x$ is any generic element
Difference between what?
$x$ is not any generic element. You take the intersection over all $x$
@Semiclassical when a form asks for total income, do you know if they mean fellowship + tuition support or just fellowship
So $\mu \in xHx^{-1} \forall x \in G$
@Hawk Yes, that is what it means for $\mu$ to be in the set
@RyanUnger shrug go ask your front office
18:43
this isn't for the university
ah. they still might know tho
@TobiasKildetoft Ah I see I know because $eHe \cap \cap_{x \neq e} xHx^{-1}$
I would advice brushing up on basic set theory before diving deeper into group theory. It needs to be completely ingrained or the rest will be too hard to follow.
no i just overlooked it lol
@RyanUnger What is it for?
18:44
thanks
@TobiasKildetoft helping a friend with a green card
I have to report my annual income
So you need to report your income for your friend to apply for a green card?
I'm his sponsor
Sure, but presumably not the one paying him?
(not that I am surprised actually, only a little)
no I'm not paying him
I'm not quite sure how this all works
still reading the forms
19:13
yo semiclassical did you test my example?
How to graph $r = 1+2\cos\theta$
I collected some $(r,\theta)$ data and know that its symmetric about x axis.
But the graph's very weird: desmos.com/calculator/yeflbdvkpt
19:26
@Semiclassical how did you find the second equality in A(x)=1+2x+4x^2+8x^3+...=1/(1-2x) and B(x)=0+1x+1x^2+1x^3+..,=x/(1-x) ?
19:43
I mean for me B(x)=0+1x+1x^2+1x^3+...=x (1 - x^n)/(1 - x) not x/(1-x) what is the trick? thanks
@rapasite that’s a finite geometric series (n terms). This is an infinite series, which converges so long as -1<x<1. Hence x^n goes to zero as n goes to infinity
I see, I did not know about those implicit restriction on x.
Alternatively, multiply both sides of the second equality and expand it out
That works formally regardless of x
(Formal power series don’t worry about convergence)
ok because you have a infinite number of terms
did you test my new example?A(x)=1+1x+2x^2+4x^3+8x^4+... and B(x)=0+1x+1x^2+1x^3+1x^4+...
Not yet
The term-by-term product would have terms 0,1,2,4,8,...
And A(x)B(x) =0+1x+2x^2+4x^3+8x^4+...
Which on the face of it looks right, tho I’ll need to check it more formally to be sure
20:04
great!
it would be good to infer a rule for when this is true and why
Ya
I especially like that example if it works, since those series do converge if x is small enough
I was a bit worried the only examples would be something like x+2x^2+6x^3+...+(n!)x^n+...
Which doesn’t converge for any nonzero x
maybe that is one of the rule for this to work
what make you think about the factorial?
Because it’s the most obvious example I know for a series which doesn’t converge no matter how small x is (as long as it isn’t zero)
That, and one variation on this problem is the following: is there an example where A(x)=B(x)?
a so you know A(x) and B(x) for this exemple?
I think this can be done but the coefficients seem awful
And in particular I’m not sure whether A(x) converges for any x
20:13
my intuition tell A(x)=B(x) is impossible
It’s not obvious, no
But I think it’s doable
20:56
it is definitely impossible for the coefficients of A(x)B(x) to be equal to the term-by-term product of A(x) and B(x),lets take the 3 first one $a_0$,$a_1$ and $a_2$ the equation for $a_1a_1$ implies $a_2=2a_1$ and the equation for $a_2a_2$ has no solution(in $\mathbb{R}$)
I forgot to say impossible if A(x)=B(x)
21:09
I mistake again oups
Hmm. Working through the algebra, you may be right.
Doing it with fresh eyes, I seem to need a0^2>a1^2 but a1=2a0
well, it'd need to satisfy $$(a_0+a_1 x+a_2x^2+\cdots)^2=a_0^2+2a_1 a_0 x+(a_1^2+2a_0 a_2)x^2+\cdots = a_0^2+a_1^2 x+a_2^2 x^2+\cdots$$
so $a_0^2=a_0^2$, $a_1^2=2a_0 a_1$, $a_2^2=2a_0 a_2+a_1^2$
first is trivial and can be ignored. if I assume that $a_1\neq 0$, then I get $a_1=2a_0$ and therefore $a_2^2=2a_0 a_2+4a_0^2\implies a_2^2-2a_0 a_2+a_0^2=(a_2-a_0)^2=5a_0^2$
So $a_2=(1\pm \sqrt{5})a_0$. That seems perfectly sound so far.
i know i mistake :'(
don't jump the gun, wolfram alpha is disagreeing with me
21:25
i got the same as you
okay, yeah, back to agreeing that it works so far
In general, your condition ends up being $a_n^2=\sum_{k=0}^n a_k a_{n-k}=2a_0 a_n+\sum_{k=1}^{n-1} a_k a_{n-k}$
which you can solve for $a_n=a_0\pm \sqrt{a_0^2+(\sum_{k=1}^{n-1} a_k a_{n-k})^2}$
that's not a pleasant mapping, but it does express $a_n$ in terms of $a_0$ through $a_{n-1}$
at each step you also have a choice of whether to take the positive or negative root as well---either will work
so that leads to 2 options for $a_1$, 4 for $a_2$, 8 for $a_3$, etc.
yey you solved it then nice
i reduced it to an algorithm, at least
don't ask me to figure out what $a_{100}$ is by hand
now what is the link between this and the example?
is there any pattern there?
shrug
now's a good moment for me to check that example more thoroughly, tho
we have $A(x)=1+1x+2x^2+4x^3+8x^4+\cdots=1+\dfrac{x}{1-2x}=\dfrac{1-x}{1-2x}$
and $ B(x)=0+1x+1x^2+1x^3+1x^4+\cdots = \dfrac{x}{1-x}$
oh, nice. so $A(x)B(x)=\dfrac{x}{1-2x}=0+1x+2x^2+4x^3+8x^4+\cdots+2^{n+1}x^n+\cdots$
and the termwise product is $0+1x+2x^2+4x^3+8x^4+\cdots+(1)(2^{n+1})x^n+\cdots$
So yeah, looks like that checks out.
21:40
so the numerator of A = denominator of B maybe that is a track
it's intriguing, yeah
the choice of $b_0=0$ is also notable (that's not sensible choice in the $A(x)=B(x)$ context, so that version may have misled me)
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A: How would you explain covariance to someone who understands only the mean?

whuberSometimes we can "augment knowledge" with an unusual or different approach. I would like this reply to be accessible to kindergartners and also have some fun, so everybody get out your crayons! Given paired $(x,y)$ data, draw their scatterplot. (The younger students may need a teacher to produ...

huh. neat
22:30
@Semiclassical It's about time you looked at it :P
22:57
@TedShifrin hier?

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