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15:00
@BenjaminLim Isaev?
I see a list of Archiv.org papers.
I'm on his CV under students directed @robjohn :D :D
I see that he has worked on a book with Steve Krantz. He was my mentor when I was undergrad at UCLA.
@robjohn oooooo
@robjohn we have a connection!!!!
wowowowowoww
we both have isaev-krantz number 1 !!!!
@robjohn
@robjohn well yes
15:10
@BenjaminLim Indeed :-)
@BenjaminLim PhB is that a bachelor's degree?
it was "created " by anu
each semester you have to do something called an ASC
I have never seen a PhB before.
Which you can choose
for maths that's basically reading courses
no "research" can be done at this level
@BenjaminLim cool!
15:13
Hmm.. Anyone here who is familiar with representations of compact Lie groups through root systems?
I don't even know what a lie group is
perhaps if mariano or someone comes
or you could try asking on the main site
Or, actually, representations of their Lie algebras...
I did some time ago but without any response
3
Q: Root Systems of Lie Groups.

M.B.Let $G$ be a compact Lie group assumed to be a subgroup of $U(n)$. Also, let $T$ be a maximal torus of G. Then there exists a basis $\{v_1, \ldots ,v_d\}$ of $\mathfrak{g}$ for which $${\rm Ad}_{g_0^r}(v_{2k-1}) = \cos(r\theta_k)v_{2k-1} + \sin(r\theta_k)v_{2k}$$ $${\rm Ad}_{g_0^r}(v_{2k}) = -\s...

@MB start a bounty
I might ...
There. :-)
@MB You have three G's in the statement $G$ and G are probably the same, but what is $\mathfrak{g}$?
15:24
the Lie algebra of G.
@MB okay. I don't know much about these, so perhaps this is common.
Yes, it is standard notation
 
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16:43
HI ... anyone here?? 3k = 1mod(40) ,,,, what theorem to apply to find k fastest
@experimentX Have you head of Euclid's Algorithm?
@experimentX Take a look at this answer. It may help.
17:05
@robjohn: hey there, it's been a while!
@robjohn he did leave. there's been a minor uproar due to major rep drops :)
@tb I don't know who left. It could have been.
@tb It has been. How are things?
@robjohn I don't insist, but you might as well take my word for it :)
@tb Ah, you were making a statement. I misread.
@robjohn I'm still extremely busy, I only have the time to drop an occasional comment these days...
@robjohn Yes I was.
@tb It is nice to see you! some of the others will be sorry they missed you.
@tb I figured that I might be able to contact you by leaving a ping on chat :-)
regarding the inversive-geometry problem
17:20
@robjohn Yeah, that worked very well, thanks! :) I'm visiting main every other day, so I see those messages, but I won't be on chat that often. I just thought I might say hi, while I have a few minutes to spare.
@tb what are you working on these days? (can you say?)
Teeeee-Beee! 'Ello.
@robjohn I'm trying to get one or two preprints finished in the next two months (I still haven't decided if I'm going to make one or two parts out of the text). It's some stuff in abstract harmonic analysis, amenability, representation theory and a little homology theory. Nothing too deep, as usual.
@Gigili 'Ello, Gigili!
Nice to see you :)
It's great that you're here again.
I missed you.
@tb sounds great! amenability... I will have to look that up :-)
17:25
@Gigili I missed you too... Unfortunately I won't be able to stay for too long and I probably won't be back more than once or twice till July at least.
@robjohn see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amenable_group. Born out of the Banach-Tarski paradox...
@tb Umm, You could let me be happy for a few minutes at least! But don't worry, I'll be away for a while at the end of June so won't miss you as much.
17:40
@Gigili Sorry about that... Thought I'd rather say it right away than to be responsible for great expectations.
On a completely different note: Have voters gone completely mad?
Differnetial equations confuse me in a few ways, do I need to know anything more about $\frac{dy}{dx}$ then that dy is a small change in y?
Are they five different questions?
@robjohn As I said, I shouldn't stay here for too long today, so I'm about to go again... Thanks again for the ping (and think about solving it without straightedge or with Bézout) :) See you soon!
@tb Yes, but my answers seem to produce a state of sanity :-)
Umm, I cannot see the votes so I cannot tell if they've gone mad!
17:50
@Gigili the numbers are crazy. I'm sure you can see how many votes there are.
@robjohn I cannot?
@Gigili You can't see that this answer has gotten 52 upvotes?
@robjohn Uuh, oh? I thought Tee-Bee meant the close-votes or something. hides
@robjohn So do mine :) I was hoping for a little more excitement about my 500th answer, but well, at least some people still accept...
Anyway, I should go now, it was great to see two of my favorite members of the room, see you soon!
@Gigili In case I don't see you before you leave end of June, have a good time!
Bye
@tb Have fun. Bye!
18:02
@Jordan in a manner of speaking $\mathrm{d}y$ is the infinitesimal change in $y$ that happens when the infinitesimal change $\mathrm{d}x$ is made to $x$.
@Jordan The actual definition is as a limit of these changes as $\mathrm{d}x\to0$
hello
@xaisoft how goes?
thanks for the link robjohn
@robjohn Thanks
there are too many weird rules in differential equations, you can't just solve the problem you have to know all these tiny rules that are never explained properly
I guess I have to ask how to do this too
18:36
Hi @robjohn, I posted a question and it was answered, but I am still slightly confused, partially because a client is telling me one thing and the answer is telling me another.
I am terrible with log rules, can I manipulate $\frac{1}{2}lny$ in any meaningful way?
Yeah I am stuck
Well I give up
18:54
@Jordan Do you need to compute the hydrostatic force on the rectangle by a Riemann Sum or a Riemann integral is acceptable? math.stackexchange.com/q/157567/752
I am not sure of the differenc,e pretty sure integral
Would anyone be willing to look at my really simple math problem?
@Jordan The Riemann integral is the limit of a Riemann sum, when $n\to\infty$.
Yeah the integral
@xaisoft If it's really simple.
19:06
yeah, basically I posted the question already and it was answered, but the problem I have is that based on the answer, I come up with a difference answer, but a client is telling me it should be something else.
@xaisoft Let me find the question then.
i can simply repeat it here
instead of you having to go through it all
Please do!
ok, you start with an initial value of 252
remove 10% from that value
then remove a compound 20% from that value
the client is doing 252 * 0.9 = 226.8
then 226.8 / 1.2 = 189
@xaisoft From the initial value?
19:09
I am doing 252 * 0.9 = 226.8 and then 226.8 - (226.8 * 0.2) = 181.44
by compound i mean the resulting value
so the 20% comes off the 226.8
based on the answer to my question, I get 181.44, but a client is telling me it should be 189.
Well, $226.8$ is correct, I think
to give a small background in case your curious on what this is about: online travel agencies add fees to hotel prices that customers aren't supposed to pay, so the hotel has to adjust the value, for example removing a 10% and then a 20% VAT tax
Then you have $226.8 \cdot 0.8$, I think
cdot?
I get your answer, I don't know how the client got 189
19:14
@xaisoft you have to have chatjax
no
sorry i mean i don' t have that
@xaisoft That's the TeX equivalent of '*'
No problem.
i don't see why the client would get 189, I mean i know it is because they did 226.8 / 1.2, but why would they do this
19:15
@Gigili what did you mean by "You're quite right about. It's about "devide" and just mentioned the name at the end. I'm not sure how it's going to help the reader! (honestly I see no relevance between evenly and exactly) "
@Eugene Oops. I always type "devide" instead of "divide"!
if the client insists it is 189, how do you refute something like this?
I can look at it another way, since they client wants to get back to 189 and is doing it by removing 10% and then 20%, the original value had to be the 189 plus the 10% and 20%
if you add 10% to 189 and then a compound 20%, what should you get?
@Jordan If you do not understand my solution please let me know.
does it make a difference if you go backwards
@xaisoft I don't think so.
What? I don't think so what? I mean, it does make a difference, I got a different initial value that way.
19:21
Did you get 249.48
@Eugene Isn't it clear? I meant the article doesn't help.
@xaisoft Yes.
@Gigili - Yeah I see the client did 189 * 1.2 * 1.1 = 249.48, but they are telling me the value is 252
and then expect to get back to 189 by doing 252 * 0.9 = 226.8 / 1.2, but I don't believe divding by 1.2 is correct here? Am I right or crazy or both?
@xaisoft I don't understand why it's divided by 1.2, I could guess they did something like 226.8+226.8*0.2 which is 226.8*1.2
Ask @anon. I'm not the right person.
I don't want to feel insulted again!
i don't insult :)
..lemme read the transcript up to this point.
19:26
@xaisoft Not you of course, idiots.
OK, I thought I would have to type it all again, whew.
@anon - this is really basic, but I am being told by the client an answer they expect, but can't figure out why they calculate it that way
@Eugene And the rest was about what that user said about naive learners or something.
I will still give a better background, I believe when a customer books a hotel room through an online travel agency, they are charged 189, but the OTA adds a 10% fee and 20% compound fee to the the value that they hotel will pay, so the hotel needs to adjust the value for the customer by removing the 10% and 20% values.
hotel says 189 + 10% + 20% = 252
@xaisoft Dividing by 1.2 is the same as saying the value in the numerator will be 120% of the resulting fraction. It is not the same as removing 20% of a number (which would be equivalent to multiplying by 80% as you did).
@xaisoft However, this background indicates that if the original price is P, and then a 10% fee is added (giving a 1.10 P price), and then 20% is compounded on top of that, the result is 1.20 x 1.10 x P. To 'undo' this to find the original price as if no fees had been added, you have to divide by 1.1 and by 1.2.
19:48
@anon - but if I do 189 X 1.20 * 1.10, I get 249.48, not 252 like the client
What does 189 represent?
P
the initial value before fees added
So the problem here isn't to undo fee calculations, it's merely to apply them?
not sure if I follow
41 mins ago, by xaisoft
based on the answer to my question, I get 181.44, but a client is telling me it should be 189.
19:52
189 is supposed to be the value the customer is charged, but the client needs to get back to 189 from a value of 252
I guess he/she wants to know how or why the client gets that answer and he/she gets a different answer
the client got to 252 by adding 10% and then a compound 20%
now they need to get back to 189 by removing the 10% and the compound 20%
which they say is 189 because that is the initial value before fees
@xaisoft I'm trying to understand the chronology here. Are you saying that the hotel agency is going to pay the 10% compouned by 20% fee, the original price is 189, and what the price would be after adding the fees has not yet been calculated, so that's what you're trying to calculate?
@anon - I think so. I will try to explain better. A customer booked a one night hotel room for 189. The 189 is marked up 10% and another 20% compound which the customer is not responsible for, so it has to to removed. The hotel is saying that the value after the markup's is 252 and they need to get back to 189 via (252 * 0.9) / 1.2
That's incorrect, that reverses the process of a 20% fee compounded on top of a 1/0.9 fee (bleh, edits). However what confuses me is why anyone needs to "get back" at all: If both the initial price and the marked up value are already known and agreed upon, what's there left to do?
The issue is that multiplying by 0.9 is not the same as dividing by 1.1
20:00
@anon - it is weird but that part just has to do with what the customer sees on an invoice, if they see 252 after they booked for 189, they will freak out
But then why do you have to do a calculation to go back to 189 if you already know the price before markup was 189, and so does the customer? Seems rather pointless.
I agree, but I am not 100% sure if they know the initial 189, it hasn't been made clear
i think one of the reasons is because the hotel property management system automatically adds these fees in, so for example, let's say a fee of 100 comes in and they need to add 10%, the PMS will add 10% on top of 110 which is incorrect
Ah, so they're shooting for an even lower price and feigning dumb. :)
so it needs to remove it first
that is one scenario
20:07
@PeterTamaroff Noncommutative Iwasawa-Tate theory.
@Gigili do you think i should delete it then?
@anon That guy Tate had a really influential thesis! Same with Iwasawa, sure.
@anon that would actually be quite suitable for high school research. that or the sha group.
he makes no statements on his background. his question is a bit dumb.
number theory is a large place, he should have said where his interests or abilities lie
also, open problems is reaching a bit far for a high school student
@anon I told him that
"You do realize there's a reason they're called open right? =) One needs a very vast amount of machinery before tackling any of those. It is great you're interested, but I think it is more down-to-earth to start with the basics. ;) "
"I'm not referring to the open problems that are well-known like for example Goldbach's Conjecture. I'm referring to unexplored areas suitable for a high school student interested in obtaining new results. "
"I see. I don't know about that. Open problems in high school level wouldn't be of relevance, methinks. Doesn't any of what I wrote call your attention? What do you know about number theory? " (Me)
20:14
@Eugene Delete what?
@anon i saw this but i don't know who niki minaj is
@Gigili the reference
@Eugene Oh!
Wait!
SAVE YOURSELF!!!
@PeterTamaroff ?
Don't google it!
20:16
Too late.
i didn't
@HenningMakholm [A la Luke Skywalker] NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
@PeterTamaroff where is this exchange going on?
@Eugene Just comments. I needed to know what he was really after.
@Jordan $\frac12\log(y)=\log(\sqrt{y})$
20:19
@PeterTamaroff Well, feh. Yet another generic pop personality, it seems. What's to fear?
@HenningMakholm Don't look at her directly in the eyes. Just that.
@PeterTamaroff everyone wants to do research. with no idea about his background though any suggestion is stupid
we should just give him a restatement of the goldbach conjecture.
@Eugene Any suggestion is stupid. I see. =|
What about a quick math quiz?
that doesn't help
do you know any abstract algebra?
algebraic geometry?
complex analysis?
if not you can try proving this question
20:23
Abstract Algebra, yes.
@robjohn I knew it was something like that I just couldn't remember
That's Goldbach's. I can't solve that -.-
I'm sorry guys, I should have mentioned other stuff in my question. I think you should delete it. Thanks for helping though :)
you can read this and see anything you think you can solve
@AnunayKulshrestha You can't delete it now. Hey, it is cool you're interested.
@AnunayKulshrestha you should edit it to mention your background. that'll make it easier to answer.
20:36
Did that :)
@AnunayKulshrestha do you know anything about elliptic curves or modular forms?
A bit, yes.
@Eugene Umm, your answer is quite complete. You can just let it be, maybe some need to know about division first and "exactly divides" afterwards.
@robjohn Yes I have returned home from Spain :-).
Thanks to the insurance 8-).
I really despise word problems, they are false-creativity that is forced onto you. You can't actually get creative in the answer you just have to follow an incredibly rigid method from the example problem and previous problems
20:41
Then don't read those!
@AnunayKulshrestha well just take a look at this, this, and if you have a library look at this and see if anything is at about your level of understanding.
the problem with open problems in number theory is that most of the results that are easy to obtain have been obtained.
and while most of the problems are easy to state they aren't easy to prove.
21:05
@JonasTeuwen flight insurance?
@Eugene: how go the races?
@robjohn Travel insurance from work (I got really ill).
@JonasTeuwen I remember. Did you see a doctor when you got home?
@robjohn No... I should have 8-).
Otherwise the insurance might want me to pay for the flight...
Will do that tomorrow!
@robjohn Are you handy for a deletion vote?
@anon Do you still think it is deletion worthy after being rolled back to a non-vandalised state?
21:14
@HenningMakholm The OP asked it again just now.
@HenningMakholm No, because this duplication of it is better for the OP to keep instead.
(Which I did just rollback)
@anon Okay, makes some sense then. (The deletion, not the question). Done..
However, the two newest questions by the OP look rather alike to me. Perhaps he should be gently encouraged to stick to one of them?
Well, I'm working on an answer to the one I linked and rolled back (it'll probably work out)
Is it clear to you what the square brackets in the questions mean? Round-to-nearest?
Oh, crap. I thought it was just delimiters, parentheses.
I didn't think about that.
21:25
@anon sorry, I missed the chance :-)
@HenningMakholm Hey there. How are things?
@HenningMakholm thanks for voting in my absence :-)
@anon That might also be the case. Who knows? (But if they are parentheses, then the newest of the question is sort of convoluted...)
@robjohn Things are well. But so much for kicking the habit.
Indeed, the newest one can't really be answered, but the other one is easy with geo sum formula.
Man I can't get this problem, tried is over 3 times and everything I am doing is correct
I am about to hit my monthly cap for questions I think
well, I guess the newest can be answered with convolution
21:41
@Jordan Which problem?
It is really frustrating because I know I need to be able to get these on my own but I feel like I am wasting an excessive amount of time

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