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05:57
@Ted: brief question. If $M$ is parametrized by $\vec x(u,v) = \vec\alpha(u) + v\vec\beta(u)$ with $\vec\alpha$ regular and $\|\vec\beta(u)\| = 1$ for all $u$, if we let $(\vec\alpha' \cdot \vec\beta)(u) = f(u)$, then $\vec\alpha(u) + F(u)\vec\beta(u)$ (where $F$ is an antiderivative of $f$) gives the desired "WLOG $\vec\alpha' \cdot \vec\beta = 0$", right?
06:18
Hello guys!
Do you know if it is possible to find $f(x)$ in $$\int{\lim_{h\to0}{\frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}h}\,\mathrm dx}\text?$$
@manooooh Yes and no. In principle, you wouldn't be able to find exactly what $f(x)$ is---your answer can differ from $f(x)$ by an arbitrary constant. But by definition, indefinite integrals are antiderivatives, so the integral you wrote evaluates to $f(x) + C$.
@Fargle hi, thank you for your answer!! I mean, can we say something about the form of $f$? Is it a linear function, a cuadratic function?
@manooooh No, this is just an expression---the only thing you can really learn is that, for the expression to be defined, $f$ had better be differentiable on its domain.
This question is based on proving this implication: $$f(x+h)-f(x)=hf'(x)\implies f(x)=ax+b,\;a,b,x,h\in\Bbb R,\text{$f$ is continuous and differentiable on $\Bbb R$}$$
@Fargle: You're using that expression as your new $\alpha$? I think you're right except for a sign.
06:27
@Ted: er, yeah, pretend I wrote $-F(u)$. Didn't even catch that.
@manooooh: Do you know Taylor's Theorem?
You don't even need it, actually. There's a sneaky trick.
@TedShifrin $$f(x)=f(x_0)+f'(x_0)(x-x_0)+\frac1{2!}f''(x_0)(x-x_0)^2+\cdots$$
But we do not have $x_0$
Well, I wanted Taylor's Theorem with Remainder. But it's easier. Can you show that $f'$ is constant from your equation?
Forget integrating. Think about differentiating.
@TedShifrin nope :c, if $h\neq0$ we have $$f'(x)=\frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}h$$
As hypothesis
For all $h$.
06:31
@TedShifrin no, if $h=0$ then $f(x)-f(x)=0\cdot f'(x)=0$
Think of the original equation as a functions of $h$.
@TedShifrin but $f$ depends on $x$, not $h$
Huh? $f(x+h)$ is a function of $h$, if you fix $x$.
@manooooh This isn't saying "if this is true for a particular $h$", because what you just said---$f(x) - f(x) = 0$---is always true for any function, so it wouldn't imply $f(x) = ax + b$ on its own. It's saying "if this is true for every $h$, then $f(x) = ax + b$".
06:32
yo @Eric
Hey @Eric
@TedShifrin what I was trying to do is to start from the left member of the thesis, and arrive through the hypothesis to the right member. It is right?
I'm telling you the strategy is to show that $f'$ is a constant function.
That's how you characterize functions of the form $f(x)=ax+b$.
@TedShifrin no I am not able to continue, sorry
06:34
You haven't even tried thinking about what I told you.
@TedShifrin I do not understand your strategy
Maybe it is achieved by using the counterreproach?
i.e. $$f(x)\neq ax+b\implies f(x+h)-f(x)\neq hf'(x)$$
I said to look at your original equation and think of both sides as functions of $h$.
oh that's cute
@TedShifrin ok, this one
The original equation that is the assumption ...
06:39
$f(x+h)-f(x)=hf'(x)$
The point is that you need/want to use the fact that it holds for all $h$. So let's think of $x$ as fixed and vary $h$.
@TedShifrin well, for $h=0$ we have that for all $x$, $f(x)-f(x)=0$
Not very interesting. Can you do better than that?
I think we have to think what happens when $h\neq0$, for all $x$
I told you to fix $x$. If you keep ignoring everything I say, I will quit talking.
06:41
@TedShifrin sorry, you are right. I never done a proof like this one. All involve expressions with $x$ varying
If $x=0$ then, for all $h$, $f(h)-f(0)=hf'(0)$
OK. So if that holds for all $h$, what can you do with it?
If $g(h) = f(h)-f(0)-hf'(0) = 0$ for all $h$, what do you conclude?
@TedShifrin $g(h)=0$?
I already said $g(h)=0$ for all $h$.
I am terrible
If we're working with a differentiable function $g$ and it's always $0$, what do you immediately conclude?
06:46
@TedShifrin you said "Forget integrating. Think about differentiating", so if we differentiate $g'(h)$..?
So what is $g'(h)$?
this is like that song in my fair lady
@TedShifrin $f'(h)$
Wrong.
Which song, @Eric?
Whoops :/
06:48
@TedShifrin the rain in spain
Ah, the diction song.
Are you calling me 'Enry 'Iggins?
@TedShifrin $f(0)$ is a constant, so $f'(0)=0$. $f'(0)$ is also a constant, so if we differentiate then $f''(0)=0$. So $g'(h)=f'(h)-0-h\cdot0=f'(h)$
@manooooh: All sorts of stuff you just wrote is not good.
The derivative of $f'(0)$ is not $f''(0)$.
Remember: You're taking the derivative with respect to $h$.
06:51
@TedShifrin is $d/dh(f'(0))=f''(0)\cdot0$?
Oh geez.
What is the derivative of a constant?
@TedShifrin I said, it is zero
But you're saying it for completely wrong reasons.
What is the derivative with respect to $h$ of $7h$?
What is the derivative with respect to $h$ of $\frac{\pi}3 h$?
Finally ..... what is the derivative with respect to $h$ of $f'(0)h$?
06:53
@TedShifrin $g'(h)=f'(h)-h\cdot1$?
Seriously, pay attention.
@TedShifrin oh no. It is $g'(h)=f'(h)-f'(0)$
OK, good.
But what do we know is true about $g'$? From where we started?
What did we know about $g(h)$ for all $h$?
@TedShifrin we know that $g$ is continuous and differentiable for all $h$ since it is a composition of continuous and differentiable functions
I want more information than that. What did we know about $g(h)$ for all $h$?
06:57
I admire your patience. Thank you so much
@TedShifrin we know that $g(h)=0$
So if a function is $0$ everywhere in its domain, what do we know about its derivative?
So $g'(h)=0\implies f'(h)-f'(0)=0$
ok now it's like the rain in spain
Aha!
06:58
LOL, @Eric :P
So why are you done, @manooooh?
$f'(h)=f'(0)$ implies that $f(h)=f(0)=c$, where $c\in\Bbb R$
No
$f'(0)$ is already a constant
@Eric: My favorite literary/mathematical allusion is from Oscar Wilde. "Indeed, the immersion of adults is a quite canonical practice."
Your implies statement is not correct. What did you mean, @manooooh?
So $f'(h)=a$, then $f(h)=ah+b$?
07:01
OK, so $f'(h)=f'(0)=a$ for all $h$. Yes, now you're right. And now you can put $x$ in place of $h$ and you're happy.
Happy morning, DogAteMy.
what is that
earnest?
cucumber sandwich play?
Yup.
Act II, I believe.
i love that one
when my boy eats all the sandwiches by accident i laff, what can i say im a simple man
I adore it. But I always put that quote on the syllabus for my differential topology class ... or put it on the homework when I defined immersions.
07:03
I somehow managed to get people to follow me on Twitter
They're gonna be disappointed when they realize I basically never post anything
I have never looked on Twitter. I have no desire to.
hi @Karl
OK, bedtime for this Bonzo. Have to teach in the morning.
hey @Ted
night
twitter might actually make u insane
well, the tweeter/toddler-in-chief was insane to start with.
07:05
@TedShifrin I am not sure why: 1) We are forced to take $x=0$ (I know it holds for all $h$, but why is it impossible to solve it with for example $x=1$?), 2) We have considered the function $g(h)=f(x+h)-f(x)-hf'(x)$, why should we equal it to $0$?
@TedShifrin he’s been saying crazy shit since the 80s or w.e.
You can do it with any $x$. You set $x=0$ and I didn't complain. You can leave $x$ in there, in fact.
For your second question, answer it yourself. Go back and reread the problem.
Night all.
@TedShifrin thank you so much Ted!!
 
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Zee
Zee
09:39
Sup fools
10:20
Mornin' y'all
How to show that if sequence $x_{n+1}=\frac{x_n^3+6}{7}$, with $x_1=\frac12$, then $x_n\le1$ for all $n$?
induction?
Moring all btw!
Hi @ÍgjøgnumMeg!
@ÍgjøgnumMeg how are cycling conditions in your place?
@Silent suppose $0< x_n \le 1$ what does it imply for $x_{n+1}$?
@user76284 Interesting!
@TedShifrin Hi @TedShifrin, OK, I see!
10:49
@Rudi awful :( It's very cold and rainy all the time
and windy
@Rudi snowy in austria right?
11:16
@ÍgjøgnumMeg yes cold and snowy and icy. I didn't cycle for 8 weeks now :-(
@Rudi oh wow! I had my first cycle yesterday since new year, but I didn't enjoy it much
I think I might buy a trainer
@ÍgjøgnumMeg I also had plans for buying a trainer. But I did too much of that in much youth, its also quite awful after a while - lol!
why awful? :D
@ÍgjøgnumMeg Your inside sweating like hell, dust due to electrostatic charging can be an issue and heart rate 120 feels like 170 outdoors ...
idk why
exactly
@ÍgjøgnumMeg you cant do "Grundlagentraining" (english expression)
fair enough! I can imagine the sweating would suck
11:21
because doing it like 3 hours without break will change your personality for ever.
lmfao
have you never thought of using Zwift?
To make it less boring
I used to listen to ACDC and stuff like that
but there is only one high-voltage, and one shoot-to-thrill and
What you do actually is some intervals
thats quite ok
10-15 min warm up
20-30 min program
10 min cool down
And then go outside
:D
hahaha
lol and then die of pneumonia. I used to do it on a "freie Rolle"
there you can do technique programs
Rollers look scary
I've not used them before
11:25
thats kind of interesting for one season
but its hell of loud when you live in a more-story house, close to impossible
it makes the whole walls vibrate - lol
I thougt of buying a normal fixed one for mounting an old bike in
and then go on my nice terrace
but for some reason I didn't make it to the store yet ;-)
I'm thinking of getting a smart trainer (Tacx Flux is the one I want) and hooking it up to Zwift or smth
so it's less boring
just for the cold weather
Could be!
I hope so! I used to just use the bikes in the gym and listen to music for 1.5 hours before work every day
but I can't be bothered to get up at 4:30am every day now :D
11:28
sounds really tough
I only kept it up for like 2 months before I decided that I was too tired to wake up so early hahaha
makes sense!
family is shouting after daddy to get to lunch! vi ses
They are expensive though, so I'll see!
Okej vi ses :)
 
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14:55
Hello

Quick question, I am stuck with:
$\frac{gR}{V^2} = sin^2(\phi)$
how do you get from this to:
$\phi = \frac{1}{2}sin^{-1}\frac{gR}{V^2}$
?
Is there some goniometric equation, I am not aware of, which allows me to do something with the sin^2?
15:11
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Q: Linear algebra, OpenCV distance point plane.

user8469759I'm reading through an opencv example that performs camera alignment. More specifically the homography is being estimated in such code, but there are these few lines that aren't quite clear to me: //! [compute-plane-normal-at-camera-pose-1] Mat normal = (Mat_<double>(3, 1) << 0, 0, 1); Mat norma...

@traducerad your last equation is equivalent to $$\frac{gR}{V^2} = sin(2\phi)$$, comparing this with your first equation leads to $\sin^2 (\phi) = sin(2\phi)$, which isn't true in general
@user8469759 Yep, just solved it I was being stupid
This being said, @user8469759 do you happen to know what should be done at the question mark? I am trying to get to the last equation:
well you have $$\tan(\phi)cos^2(\phi) = \frac{\sin(\phi)}{\cos(\phi)} cos^2(\phi) = \sin(\phi)cos(\phi) = \frac{1}{2}\sin(2\phi)$$
the last equality is a known formula, but you can easily derive it by the addition formula for sine, since $\sin(2\phi) = \sin(\phi + \phi)$
The last step was the one I didn't know
is this simpson or smth?
15:25
@traducerad I'm sorry?
@user8469759 He came up with a bunch of goniometric equations: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Simpson
We tend to call them "simpson equations"
didn't know he was the guy who came up with those equations
He s a good pal
quite a clever pal actually
Gauss is a better pal
Better than Euler?
15:31
I don't know, experience wise I know Gauss did a lot of stuff
to me Euler is number theory and graph theory related
Gauss is essentially everywhere
are you studying physics?
@user8469759 * Nods in German *
@user8469759 Nope, studied engineering
what kind of engineering?
hence I don't know all those trig equations by heart
I know there are some useful equations somewhere, that may help me out
@user8469759 A mix of EE and aero
I'm a computer engineer
=D
we are "colleagues"
@user8469759 software engineer?
C/C++?
15:35
C/C++
mostly C++
@user8469759 good good!
Boost, Qt?
mostly computer vision and numerics
a bit of opengl, opencl, cuda etc
opencv of course
@user8469759 Interesting, I've done some computervision after graduation
really? what kind?
what I hate about computervision is that sooner or later you end up needing some machine learning
15:37
ahahahahaha
yeah I agree
And if you don't have enough pictures and training material, you re kinfd of stuch
I try to stick with multiple view geometry
I don't like machine learning either
@user8469759 Yep, same here. That s the only part that I really like
for the reasons you just mentioned
photogrammetry and stuff
15:38
well for what it matters
what are you working on atm?
3D reconstruction still needs a fair amount of "classical skills"
well in a nutshell
@user8469759 Are you familiar with SLAM? That s used quite a lot atm
geometry processing from data extrapolated from both a time of flight camera and rgb cameras
@traducerad I know what it is, but never done anything
@user8469759 what is the real-life application of this?
15:40
take a picture with both cameras and you can retrieve the 3D object with some texture
if you're outdoor is quite difficult to do with only rgb pictures
@user8469759 In which country are you based?
There is quite an interesting company in Germany doing exactly the same
PIX4D or something like that IIRC
PIX4D is the name of the company?
@user8469759 London?
@user8469759 yes pix4d.com
15:44
Hey, I'm trying to find a solved example how to develop a function using haar wavelets without success.. Do you maybe have some suggestion, where I could look into?
@traducerad Yep, close enough
@user8469759 I absolutely love London! If the brexit doesn't happen I think I might move to London
Otherwise I might have to go to Dublin
instead
@smihael What do you mean with "develop"?
I might go to germany instead given the company you just mentioned
=D
15:45
@user8469759 Berlin is a fantastic city!
On so many levels
never been there
I've been to Baden Baden once
@user8469759 write some function in terms of haar functions up to a certain degree
@user8469759 You definitely should!
is it better than london?
@user8469759 difficult question... They are different. What I love about London is that it is extremely active, I don't like the US English accent and apparently I should be able to make quite a lot of money there. Berlin is more "rebelious" and has an amazing underground (party) scene
15:48
@smihael if en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haar_wavelet are the functions bases you're talking about
it's just a standard function expansion on $L^2(\mathbb{R})$
@user8469759 from my understanding it should be similiar to what one does when one writes a function as forier series, but i've never covered fourier
I'd rather move to London because I don't speak German, that's the only reason otherwise I would probably be living in Berlin right now
@smihael it should be exactly the same thing
@traducerad you won't really need german in germany... most of people understand english
true, but when living there for an extended period of time you better learn German. Source: have lived in multiple countries so far

Eg for administrative stuff
15:50
just pick few haar basis function and project the function you want to "develop" in the subspace generated by those functions
and staff at your workplace should help you to cope with the bureaucracy, that's really only thing you will need german for... and then you can pick it up. its not that much different from english
@smihael Indeed but I am tired of learning languages, I am at 5 right now...
I speak Dutch, so learning German should indeed not be too difficult. But still...
@user8469759 yep, i get that, but i'd like to see a worked example first. i'm trying to find one since learning from examples aids understanding the theory
@smihael ok we can work out an example together
I'm using the wiki page as notation
I am actually wondering whether financially speaking it is better to live in Munich or Berlin. Where should you live to earn and save the most money
15:54
@traducerad i'm at 5 too so i get what you mean... but language would be the latest thing to influence my decision
@traducerad definitely berlin
munich is extremely expensive
@smihael Why so? Based on personal experience?
So according to that page we have $$\psi_{n,k}(t) = 2^{n/2} \psi(2^nt - k)$$
the wages are only slightly better in munich, but rents were 200% more expensive the last time i looked ..
@smihael I haven't been to Munich yet. But I also have the feeling it is a very medieval city and a bit of a boring city. Unlike London
I'll set $n = 0, and k = 0,1,2$ and you'll get
$$\psi_{0,k}(t) = \psi(t-k)$$
15:57
@smihael Otherwise there is still Luxembourg left. Extremely high wages there
and you want to project, for example, the function $f(t) = e^t$ in the subspace $$V = \left\{ \alpha_0 \psi_{0,0}(t) + \alpha_1 \psi_{0,1}(t) + \alpha_2 \psi_{0,2}(t)\right\} = Span(\psi_{0,0},\psi_{0,1},\psi_{0,2})$$
according to that wiki page, as standard anyway, with $$<f_1,f_2> = \int_{\mathbb{R}} f_1(x) f_2(x) dx $$
well now once you do this, if you assume (though this isn't true) that $f(t) \in V$ you'll have an equation like
$$ \alpha_0 \psi_{0,0} + \alpha_1 \psi_{0,1} + \alpha_{0,2} \psi_{0,2} = f$$
@traducerad yep, Munich seemed quite calm to me as well.. but then again it depends where in Munich(?) The same goes for Berlin.. If you go to Marzan, it is definitely something else than in Dahlem or in Kreuzberg.
Now for $k = 0,1,2$ I compute $<f,\psi_{0,k}>$ and this leads me to a linear system whose equations are
@user8469759 yep, so far everything is understandable
$$\alpha_0 <\psi_{0,0},\psi_{0,k}>+ \alpha_1 <\psi_{0,1},\psi_{0,k}> + \alpha_{0,2} <\psi_{0,2},\psi_{0,k}> = <f,\psi_{0,k}>$$
and that's it, you solve the linear system for $\alpha_0,\alpha_1,\alpha_2$
Is it clear?
16:06
Yep, that's clear. Thanks. The only think that is still bothering is the definition of Haar functions in the slides I got
can you share the definition?
what exactly is bothering you?
the scaling interval and what are grades here (m or k?)
@user8469759 and why to you do scalar product with $\psi_{0,k}$ each time
are you familiar with "least squares"?
16:15
well i'm familiar with just the basic idea, never had to implement that or calculate an example.
well the procedure I described is the solution of a least squares error problem
if you're not familiar with fourier going through all the math probably would be confusing
or at least hilbert spaces, this would be what you need
@user8469759 what is n=0 here and k? Does k=0,1,2 indicate that we want to use 3rd order Haar functions?
in your case as far as I can see
n = m
so your $m$ is what I called $n$
while $k$ is a translation factor
wait a min, I'll show you something that might help
yeah, sadly we only covered basics maths needed for psychology and computer science..
so if i want to develop let's say $e^x$ with up to 3rd order Haar functions, I should set n to 3?
or have 3 terms in the what would be "series expansion" in fourier?
play a bit with $m$ and $k$ to see what happens
16:25
Yep, thanks. That is actually a nice tool, bt still i think my main difficulty is to understand what is meant by the grade of haar function?
isn't "grade" defined in your slides?
anyone ever came across that? 11 years of peer review!
"We would like to thank the referees and the editor for making nontrivial
improvements to the paper."
lol
I hope everyone survived publication
those must've been some pretty non-trivial improvements
16:31
@user8469759 yeah but in the context of splines, so that's where confusion comes from.. they's just an overview slides of what methods exist to approximate functions and i'd like to work some examples to understand what one or another method does
here is the paper it isn't exactly large: folk.uio.no/arnebs/Artikler/sdarticle.pdf
@smihael The thing is I assume in splines with "grade" they mean the degree of the polynomials used to construct the splines
in the functions set $e_m^{(k)}$ you gave me
there's no such degree, because they're piecewise constants
to understand the meaning of the parameters I would use the link I provided you
namely, $m$ is both a scaling factor, but also defines the definition interval of each function, while $k$ defines the center of such interval
so you can use $k$ to move "left/right"
and $m$ to resize the interval
@user8469759 exactly it is given as the grade of polynomials used in the spline, and what could possible the grade of haar function? m?
to a certain extent I suppose you can say so
though I wouldn't use such word
thanks for help!
i'll try to work out an example and im watching youtube.com/watch?v=HEUhSbD4P5c now
16:46
can anyone look at my question above please?
16:59
@smihael are you indian?
@user8469759 maybe you should restate the qurestion, it's quite far in the history
no, im from europe
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Q: Linear algebra, OpenCV distance point plane.

user8469759I'm reading through an opencv example that performs camera alignment. More specifically the homography is being estimated in such code, but there are these few lines that aren't quite clear to me: //! [compute-plane-normal-at-camera-pose-1] Mat normal = (Mat_<double>(3, 1) << 0, 0, 1); Mat norma...

17:21
@Rudi_Birnbaum Thanks! Why did i forget induction?
@Silent Maybe since you know too many other ways. I don't :-)
come on :)
This is Partial subring lattice diagram of $\mathbb C$, as given in Gallian's abstract algebra text.
I wonder why $\mathbb Q(\sqrt2)$ is not placed between $\Bbb R$ and $\Bbb Q$, and kept aside. Please someone explain!
Does every topological vector space have a local base at $0$?
It does because if $V$ is open in $X$ (topological vector space) then for every $x \in X$ we have $x + V$ is also open. So if $p \in X$ and $\gamma$ is a local base at $p$ you can construct a local base at $0$ by simply translating the members of $\gamma$.
I think so: Let $V$ be an open neighborhood of $0$. Since $0 + 0 = 0 \in V$, by continuity of addition there are open neighborhoods $B_1,B_2$ of $0$ such that $0 \in B_1 + B_2 \subseteq V$. Let $\mathcal{B}$ be the collection of all such neighborhoods. Note that it is not empty, because $0$ has at least one open neighborhood (namely, $X$), and by construction it is a local base.
17:36
What do you mean with local base?
@AlessandroCodenotti $\mathcal{B}$ is a local base of $0$ if, for any open neighborhood of $V$ of $0$, there is some open set $B \in \mathcal{B}$ such that $0 \in B \subseteq V$.
Then every topological space has a local base for every point
Pick as $\mathcal{B}$ the set of open nbhds of the point
But what if none of the sets in $\mathcal{B}$ are contained in the others? What if they only overlap at a single point?
Union of open sets is open so that won't happen
Ah, I see it now. More importantly, finite intersections of open sets are open.
18:24
Suppose $f:[0,+\infty)\to [0,+\infty)$ is a continuous function such that: (1) $f(0)=0$; (2) $f(t)>0$ for $t>0$; (3) there is some $t_0>0$ such that $f$ is constant on $[t_0,+\infty)$. Question: can I find a continuous function $g:[0,+\infty)\to [0,+\infty)$ which is: (1) strictly increasing; (2) $g(0)=0$; and (3) $g(t)\leq f(t)$ for all $t\in [0,+\infty)$. This seems to be true, but I don't know how to prove it.
18:36
@Derso I have a $C^1$ argument, I will try to relax that assumption first.
This is certainly true.
18:49
It shouldn't be hard but I'm having trouble and have work to do so I'm going to punt on this :)
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