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@Kasmir sadly I know nothing but run the question by anyway and let's see?
@Perturbative yeah, the idea is this, if you take $S^1$ and you identify antipodal points, it's the same thing as taking the semicircle and identifying the endpoints
re Demonark
Rehi Ted, how are you doing?
I've been better ... but alive
Who wrote the letter, @Mathein?
00:13
Ah.
that's some interesting terminology
I didn't know him well.
Mathematicians are usually dry-humored.
hi chat
heya Dair
Hi @TedShifrin
how have things been?
00:15
Meh, not in a great mood today ... but thanks.
Hopefully things start looking up for you
seconded.
thanks
00:28
oh no ... it's CaptainAmerica.
Teehee
This has been one of the slowest most boring days ever. I actually took a walk.
You should do that more often.
It would be more fun if it was warmer out.
today was technically slow for me too, except i'm so jacked up on coffee it doesn't feel slow
I can't drink too much caffeine, it messes with my focus.
00:35
you mean you sometimes have focus?
Haha, very funny.
For a change, I wasn't even being funny.
why focus when you can just do everything at once.
That's so smart.
00:38
un-focus and acquire the bigger picture.
I wish I could convince my parents to let me out at night. My friend is always sending me messages of him out on the town at like 11 pm.
Hey @Ultradark, I missed your ping from earlier.
@CaptainAmerica16 Just study hard now, and party hard in college.
Hmm, or not so hard.
Lol, is college supposed to be party time?
00:40
Depends on the college and the person
Party wrt the mathematics
That probably would be bad for someone like me.
@CaptainAmerica16 It's really bad for basically anyone
if you really like math it can feel like a party i guess and if you have friends to collab with
@Ultradark I feel you. It would most likely be a party of one though XD
00:44
just to be clear, don't actually party too hard.
also don't drink caffeine: you could end up like me, unable to operate without it, but anxious and tense with it.
I only drink caffeine if I stay up too late on a school night.
Which I guess I should stop doing anyway.
okay I should stop drinking caffeine
because you are doing school work
Yeah, school work...
Sometimes anyway.
00:47
lol, i don't like where this is going
Lol
I stay up and do math or I watch Netflix
or are you investigating the nature of the space time continuum or lack there of?
still don't like where this is going
do you also chill?
I took me quite some time to realize why you didn't like where that was going
00:48
I've been asked out a total of: 1 times.
I messed that up so bad.
Anybody know who Gryffin is? (in terms of music)
you've been asked out? Or do you mean you've asked out?
@Dair Been asked out.
Ew, bad memories
@Ultradark Never heard of them.
Gryffin is my favorite artist
in terms of music
They sound cool. What kind of music do they play?
00:52
I suppose one would say they do edm
Nice
I've been kind of into metal lately...and Post Malone. I don't know what style he is.
I enjoy some Post Malone
Which reminds me: Has anyone heard of and/or seen Spiderman: Into the Spiderverse?
@Ultradark You heard Sunflower?
the song I mean
Yep
it's pretty catchy
00:56
I was considering going to see that Spiderman movie. It's supposed to be pretty good, right?
IT'S AWESOME!!!
In a sophisticated way of course.
Isn't that the one where Spiderman is killed and then brought back to life?
Alright, that sounds like a pretty strong recommendation.
No, he comes from a different universe. :D
@Rithaniel You should see it.
It's the new animated Spiderman movie with alternate realities
00:58
lol failed bait.
Yeah, I totally missed it.
pretty weak attempt on my part, should probably give it more consideration when another opportunity for fake spoilers comes to rise...
Watching a video right now of a guy defining this concept of a "half-derivative."
half-derivative? I can't tell if that's something I've heard of.
01:02
Ie, an operation which, when applied to a function and then applied again to the resultant function, should give the derivative of the original function.
I'll post a link to the video.
Dr. Peyam is very energetic
It's a quality I actually appreciate in instructors.
Lol, subscribed. I love the intro XD
01:28
@Rithaniel: Sometime you can find out that there are $s$th derivatives for any real number $s$. Look up pseudodifferential operators :)
 
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04:44
Is there any problem if I separate this integral at $0$ into two parts:
$$\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}e^{-2|x|/a}\cdot \frac{d^2}{dx^2}(e^{-2|x|/a})~~dx $$
05:25
If x=0 is a nonintegrable singularity, then no
06:04
@UnknownMathMan Why would you try that? The intuitive step is try by-parts as-is.
06:48
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07:00
I've made this trello board, could someone please suggest improvements? -- trello.com/b/6xy7G6FZ/…
 
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08:02
Why are norm and trace maps important ?
08:48
@alxchen because they are inherent to the extension (i.e. independent of the basis you choose)
and they tell you, to a certain extent, the structure of the extension
and a more high-level answer is that global and local class field theory classifies field extensions using things including the norm map and it is the most celebrated number theoretic result in the 20th century
an example is that [C:R]=2 and so is 2 the index of the image of the norm map N:C*->R* in R*
09:28
@LeakyNun yo leaky !
Who gave this (ibb.co/3WMPqPy) theorem
@user629353 I think all of the students in my algebra course did that one.
@TobiasKildetoft Tobias! can you please take a look at my question ?
@KasmirKhaan I just did, and the answer is "Yes, I can take a look at your question".
(well, that was an easy one).
:D
Ehm i mean if you click on my last question
posted here on main
Can you please tell me what D stand for in the answer by Hagen ?@TobiasKildetoft
I understood the rest kind of ^^
09:36
The $D$ is just like the rest, except it is required to satisfy that equation, so it was written a bit differently
@TobiasKildetoft aha okay thanks ! but can you please explain further how that group operates?
seems like very neat construction !
I never thought of putting elements of the group in a matrix
Didn't he just write up everything in terms of the variables when they were really entries of matrices?
yes he did
but i never seen such construction before
so that is how
hmm
so those x , y , z etc..
are elements of F ?
our field?
09:41
right
and why is that condition
Did somebody know?
yzvD-1 =0 @TobiasKildetoft
that condition i did not understand at all
@user629353 I doubt it can be credited to anyone in particular, seeing as it is basically trivial
@KasmirKhaan That is the same as $yzvD = 1$
@TobiasKildetoft yes I get that, but how did he come up with such thing ? ^^
09:43
@KasmirKhaan from whatever condition was put on this set originally
still not getting it ! was DD' the product of the 1,3 entries?
@KasmirKhaan hi
@LeakyNun look at my last question I posted =p
very neat stuff leaky ! but i do not get it yet ><
it just means "yzv is invertible"
there's a canonical bijection between {x in A | x is invertible} and {(x,D) | xD-1=0}
it makes no sense to me
why do we want that product to be invertible
yzvD = 1
the det of that matrix is xzv
09:47
@LeakyNun I am new to this finite field stuff, and is there a kinda concrete (i.e say motivated by number theory) applicatoin of norm/trace maps ?
yzv I do not get how it originate
@LeakyNun can you transfer some points so i can put a bounty on this question ?
:D
@TobiasKildetoft Euclid does division lemma, then why division algorithm is in his name
not sure what you mean
@alxchen well in a quadratic extension, a number is an integer iff both their trace and norm are integers
@KasmirKhaan typo
10:05
@LeakyNun what?
10:21
@KasmirKhaan it's a typo, he meant xzv
10:32
@Kasmir you can map your matrices to GL_2(K)^2 by taking only the first upper left 2x2 block for the first term and the lower right 2x2 block for the second term
10:54
Also you can map
a d x
0 b e
0 0 c
to
b d e
0 a 0
0 0 c
And change the side with which you do the product (ie f(AB) = f(B)f(A))
(which doesn't break homomorphism laws, it's just that you define your group operation to be the "reverted" matrix operation)
Anyway, these are two possible maps
11:12
Actually forget that second map, it doesn't work
11:27
@LeakyNun which online IDE do you use for java?
@MatheinBoulomenos isn't a principal localization a non-surjective finite type epimorphism? Say $\mathbb Z\to \mathbb Z_2\cong \frac{\mathbb Z[x]}{(2x-1)}$?
11:53
Ah, right, for Nakayama you need finite, not finite type...
24 hours ago, by Silent
Suppose $Q\in M_{3\times3}(\Bbb R)$ is a matrix of rank 2. Let $T:M_{3\times3}(\Bbb R)\to M_{3\times3}(\Bbb R)$ be the linear transformation defined by $T(P)=QP$. The the rank of $T$ is .....
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Q: Finding all pairs of a,b,c such that modulo expression gives maximum value

flutyHow many pairs of a,b,c exists such that m is maximum m = ((((5 moda) modb) modc) mod5) Given: The value of a,b,c lies between 1 and 7 ( both inclusive ).

@Silent hint: $\operatorname{Hom}(P,Q) \cong P^\ast \otimes Q$
12:42
Could anyone please look up in the asked question
@Tarun If a<=5, then the result will be <5
If a, b,c >5, the result will be 5
You can prove the result is maximal iff a,b, and c are >5
@Astyx But we are also taking mod5 in the end. If we have a,b,c >5, I think answer would be zero. For a,b,c >5 , (((5 moda) modb) modc) will be 5 and ( (((5 moda) modb) modc) mod5) will be zero as 5 mod5 =0
Please correct me If I am wrong
Oh right
then the result will be <=4. You can see that 5 mod c with c>5 is still 5. This means we need to only look at mod 1, 2, 3, and 4
we get 0, 1, 2, 1
So we find (a,b,c) is (>5,>5, 3), or (>5,3,>3) or (3,>3,>3)
13:00
@Astyx I have following in mind. Please correct me If I am wrong. To get max_remainder (less than the number itself) we should divide the number n by n/2+1. For .e.g for 50 we get max remainder when we divide it by 26. I think if we have a,b,c =n/2+1 (i.e 3 ) we can get max value.
bonjour @Astyx
@Astyx I think it should be >= 3 as the remainder is 2.
@KasmirKhaan Forget all I said, it's wrong
@Tarun You're right about that second part
I don't have time to read the first part
@Astyx Thanks
13:27
it's a refreshing change to see Dover's paperback math books come at such reasonable prices
even Abramowitz & Stegun is only $35
and most textbooks are below 10
14:05
@Astyx it is ok =P
@LeakyNun and why is that?
14:15
and why is what?
and why is that
(times an inaccessible cardinal)
Is the suspension of a path connected space simply connected?
That's fine. I would like to attempt it myself first. Just wanted confirmation that it istrue. Thanks!
14:33
@LeakyNun i meant why is det A * D = 1
@LeakyNun ping me so i can hear when u reply =p
14:51
@KasmirKhaan because A is invertible
@LeakyNun leaky that does not make any sense!
why multiply it by "D"
and what is D is exactly
too many stuff comfusing me
15:11
5 hours ago, by Leaky Nun
there's a canonical bijection between {x in A | x is invertible} and {(x,D) | xD-1=0}
@KasmirKhaan "D" is the inverse
@LeakyNun okay thanks
@LeakyNun can you put a bounty on it ? to see what others have to say
and btw leaky ! that was not even my orignial question
we got a very handsome question out of that mistake :D
 
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17:34
Are algebras the nicest algebraic objects we can get?
@Perturbative Well, we could also add some more adjectives to it
@TobiasKildetoft hello. Can I bug you with a commutative algebra question?
@Arrow Sure, but I won't guarantee any sort of answer
I read that surjective ring morphisms are module finite. Why is this?
17:43
I hope Sir Michael died peacefully. His great mathematics will live on forever.
RIP Sir Michael Atiyah
@Arrow I don't even recall what that means
If $R\to S$ is a ring morphism then it's module finite if the $R$-module structure on $S$ is finitely generated
here's the reference
@Arrow If the map is surjective, then the image is generated by $1$, isn't it?
17:47
@TobiasKildetoft Well I guess in terms of how much structure we have we have a progression like $\text{Groups} \to \text{Rings} \to \text{Modules} \to \text{Algebras}$ at least that's how I'm thinking of it in my head, so are there commonly used algebraic objects that have more structure than algebra's is what I'm asking
@Perturbative Sure, bialgebras or even Hopf-algebras
This paper of Atiyah's was one of the first challenging papers I tackled to lecture on as a first-year graduate student. I still don't understand all of it, but it has many beautiful ideas in it. I've mentioned it here several times.
@TobiasKildetoft ah! so simple. Thanks
@Arrow Do check that I am right. I just write the first thing that came to mind.
@TobiasKildetoft Oh nice, I'll take a look at those
17:50
By surjectivity $s=f(r)$ for some $r\in R$ so the action $r\cdot 1$ is $f(r)1=s$.
@Perturbative The main examples are group algebras, universal enveloping algebras of Lie algebras and quantum groups
ahh, good.
Thanks for those examples @Tobias
@TedShifrin That paper seems to have stuff from a whole lot of intersecting fields in it, like algebraic geometry/topology, differential geometry, complex analysis etc
Yup. That happens a lot with complex geometry.
18:07
most things, really...
but even moreso anything by Atiyah
18:37
Isn't the part of the theorem that says "if there is a relative homeomorphism" vacuously true though since $e$ is defined to be a homeomorphic copy of $D^n \setminus S^{n-1}$, so there always exists a homeomorphism $Y_f \cong e \cup Y$?
Wait. What?
What if you don't glue continuously on the boundary?
what is a relative homeomorphism?
Greetings, @MikeM.
@TedShifrin Don't we always glue continuously on the boundary though?
18:43
Doesn't that answer Mike's question?
Are you hinting at the fact that the characteristic map is a relative homeomorphism?
Well, why don't you answer Mike's question and write down relevant definitions? :)
Ooooh okay, @MikeMiller, so a continuous map $g : (X, A) \to (Y, B)$ is a relative homeomorphism if $g|_{(X \setminus A)} : X \setminus A \to Y \setminus B$ is a homeomorphism. And $g : (X, A) \to (Y, B)$ being continuous means that $g : X \to Y$ is continuous and $g(A) \subseteq B$
Ok, so the issue is there's no reason a homeomorphism from the open disc extends to a continuous map from the whole disc.
I can come up with examples where that's not true without too much difficulty.
I guess it's a little rude to keep them to myself. Take the closed topologist's sine curve in $\Bbb R^2$. Its complement has two components: the interior and exterior. The interior $D$ is simply connected, and hence there is a homeomorphism $\Bbb R^2 \to D$. But if $D^2 \to \Bbb R^2$ is an extension of this homeomorphism to the closed disc, then $f(S^1) = \overline D - D$, which is the closed topologist's sine curve.
But there is no surjective map from $S^1$ to the closed topologist's sine curve because the latter is not locally connected.
19:03
@MikeMiller Sorry had to do something quickly, thanks for that response, I'll be back in a few minutes to take a closer look at it
sure
here the closed topologist's sine curve means what wikipedia calls that (the closure of the graph of $\sin(1/x)$ above $(0,1)$) and then close up the loop by taking the right endpoint and making a circle back to the 'bad side' of this.
if { f[i] : i in I } and { g[j] : j in J } are partitions of unity, then is { f[i] g[j] } a partition of unity?
Well, what do you think, @Leaky?
Not fond of your notation, but ...
I think it is
What makest thou unsure?
19:07
oh nvm
19:23
Okay I get what you're saying @MikeMiller. Also I think I made a pretty big error earlier since there's no reason to expect $e \cong D^n \setminus S^{n-1}$ to imply a relative homeomorphism $\Phi : (D^n, S^{n-1}) \to (e \cup Y, Y)$ since a homeomorphism $f$ that sends $D^n \setminus S^{n-1}$ to $e$ will not satisfy $f(S^{n-1}) \subseteq Y$ (because well $f$ isn't even defined there), and so even though $f : D^n \setminus S^{n-1} \to e \cup Y \setminus Y = e$ is a homeomorphism,
it isn't a relative homeomorphism $f : (D^n, S^{n-1}) \to (e \cup Y, Y)$
It is easy to prove that if $f: (D^n, S^{n-1}) \to e \cup Y$ sends the interior of $D^n$ homeomorphically to $e$ then it sends $S^{n-1}$ into $Y$. The issue is getting a continuous extension.
Ohh well that follows basically through set theory, i.e. we have $f : D^n \to e \cup Y$ and if it restricts to a bijection from $D^n \setminus S^{n-1}$ onto $e$ then we must $f[S^{n-1}] \subseteq Y$, and as you said even if we send the interior of $D^n$ homeomorphically to $e$ we don't know if we'll get a continuous extension to all of $D^n$
Also I guess intuitively that must force $e$ and $Y$ to be really 'close' to each other in $Z$ to preserve continuity of a function $g : D^n \to e \cup Y$
19:42
That's not true at the set level, you need to use that the map is continuous as well.
Okay I'll look again at my argument
you could just choose the map which is a bijection on the interior to do whatever you want on the boundary
Here is how I would argue, I imagine it can be made cleaner. Suppose $z$ is in the interior of $e$ with $f(x_0) = z$, and let $x_n \to x$ be a sequence of elements of the interior of $D^n$ converging to a boundary point. Then because $f$ is a homeomorphism, it is in particular an open map, which implies that a neighborhood of $x_0$ maps to a neighborhood of $z$.
Now if $f(x) = z$ then all $x_n$ for $n$ large lie in this open neighborhood, which means it must have been something in the image of that small neighborhood of $x_0$. Because the map is a bijection on the interior of the disc, this is a contradiction.
20:00
That's a nice proof! @MikeMiller But doesn't that show that we can never get a continuous extension to all of $D^n$ if we have a homeomorphism $f : D^n \setminus S^{n-1} \to e$?
It shows that any continuous extension sends $S^{n-1}$ to $\overline e \setminus e$.
Certainly it's not true that there is never an extension. Take $e$ to be the open unit disc in $\Bbb R^2$ and $Y$ the unit circle, and your homeomorphism the identity.
Ahh okay that makes a lot more sense now. Thanks for all the help, including the last example! @MikeMiller
$(V \land W)^\ast \cong V^\ast \land W^\ast$?
ie does dual commute with wedge
oh, I see where my thoughts went wrong, I thought F wedge F is not F
where F is the base field
It doesnt make sense to take the wedge product of two different vector spaces
F wedge F is zero
20:17
great I’m doubly wrong :p
ah I see what’s going on
lol
yo leaky
@LeakyNun did you upvote my Q?
@LeakyNun mind doing that? :D arent you as intrested as me on that problem ? =p
also I do need the points to get that Q on bounty
20:40
no i’m not
@LeakyNun very bad man Leaky , help the guy out ^^
@LeakyNun it is as easy as a "like" on facebook , exept it is useful here
Come on. Don't spam for upvotes. Have some self-respect.
@MikeMiller that would be if someone would spam for a solution of HW without trying to solve it, but here to collect for a bounty seems fine by me .
But what do I know , am just an old guy .
 
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21:48
@Kasmir: It seems to me your question has been answered correctly. As I would expect from Hagen.
@TedShifrin hi Ted , but I did not fullt understod what he said
Mind explain ?
He's saying the quotient group is isomorphic to the group $G$ he gave.
Or you map to that group by the obvious map and you get the kernel you wanted.
What is D standa for ?
it's a new variable
Why are the first 5 defined from the Matrix
But not D
Ie Matrix produkt
Am on Phone atm , spelling Will be odd
21:53
You could leave out $D$, as the quotient group is parametrized by $x,y,z,u,v$, but he's trying to make it tie in to your original group.
okay hmm
The map is to send your upper triangular matrix to $(x,y,z,u,v)$ with the multiplication rule he's given. Forget about $D$ if you want.
and why is yzvD=1
that product makes no sense to me
also I cant belive that neither you or leaky upvoted my Q :D
I kinda need those points to get a bounty :D
What bounty are you talking about?
dont I need 500 points to make a bounty on a question ?
so ppl will be more motivated to give a good answer
21:58
You already have a perfectly fine answer.
He's throwing in $D = 1/\det A$ to make a multiplication rule.
what is the identity element in that group he described?
@TedShifrin xzv = det not yzv
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