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Bob
Bob
00:57
Hi
I guess everybody is out at parties.
Its nearly midday on new years day here. Happy new year.
Bob
Bob
Happy New Year Wendy
I am in the United States
Where are you?
Happy new year
Australia
Most days in the US syart with Y.
Bob
Bob
I do not understand your last statement
01:04
It's Tuesday here but Monday in the US, ie Yesterday😊
Bob
Bob
oh lol
I am going to sign off now
bye
 
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Bob
Bob
02:08
Hi
Maybe somebody here could look at my question: math.stackexchange.com/questions/3058165/…
Bob
Bob
02:24
good night
 
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06:21
it should not be hard to google :)
if you know what a C* algebra is, presumably here they mean precisely that without the C* identity $\|xx^*\| = \|x\| \|x^*\|$: a Banach algebra with an anti-linear involution.
And a Banach algebra is an algebra on a Banach space with $\|xy\| \leq \|x\|\|y\|$
 
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08:34
@CaptainBohemian Wikipedia has an article *-algebra.
09:09
@MartinSleziak thank you for information, which I will read. I am actually thinking what Mike Miller says and checking some Wolfram Mathworld webpages, like the webpages of C* algebra, Banach algebra, etc.
09:51
getting a Klein bottle for new year :D
10:13
What do ye reckon ye would fill it with.
10:24
Here is something interesting i found about 19th powers
2^19 = 2,5,5,5,6 in base 22. Yeah, we all know that.
3^19 = 5,72,72,72,27 base 120. Sort of stuff dreams are made of!
Sort of beats 7^8 = 3.40.40.01 base 120.
2019 is the smallest number that can be written in 6 different ways as the sum of the squares of 3 primes:

7² + 11² + 43² = 2019

7² + 17² + 41² = 2019

13² + 13² + 41² = 2019

11² + 23² + 37² = 2019

17² + 19² + 37² = 2019

23² + 23² + 31² = 2019
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:D
1699. Happy new year
Cyclone Penny is on the prowl.
7² + 11² + 43² = 49+101+1549 = 1699. Gosh, it's true.
11:19
Nearly everyone must be in the new year now. Happy new year
11:59
Looks like i missed it this year.
12:40
@user616128 I just graphed it
y=-1 is perpendicular to x=0 and passes through (2,-1,0) but my textbook had the exact same solution as yours with a,b not equal to 0
Im rather confused
13:25
in In the search of a question, 5 mins ago, by Shaun
I'm fairly sure this has been asked before. I'm looking at results along the lines of showing, from first principles (sans Lagrange, etc.), that in a (finite) group, $|\{x\in G| x^3=e\}|$ is odd, or, say, $|\{x\in G| x^5=e\}|$ is a multiple of five.
13:37
@Shaun who cares about first principles
(apart from you)
user131753
14:01
Let $T:=\{x\in G: x^3=e\}$. Note that (1) $e\in T$ (2) if $x\in T$ then $x\ne x^{-1}$ and finally (3) $x\in T$ implies $x^{-1}\in T$. Hope this helps @Shaun.
user131753
By the way in (2) it should be "if $x\in T\setminus\{e\}$..."
Nice argument.
hi @MikeMiller
14:21
@user170039 Thank you. I had a similar approach. Yeah, I didn't notice I left that hypothesis out.
14:43
I'm trying to determine the fundamental group of the tensor product sign, regarded as a subset of $\Bbb{R}$, with base point in the middle of the sign. My thought was that the tensor product sign is a deformation retract of the unit disc with four points missing. Is this right? What is the fundamental group of the unit disc with four points missing; how does one compute it?
@user193319 who is the tensor product sign?
oh
... I was thinking what tensor product had to do with fundamental groups
just mayer-vietoris it
Hmm...Is this what you
I don't think I'm allowed to use it. Besides, I don't understand it.
Your claim about a deformation retract is correct, but it's better to just argue that by collapsing a contractible subset you're left with a wedge of 4 circles.
Wait, which subset is being collapsed? Are you saying that $\otimes$ can be viewed as a wedge product of four circles, which means its fundamental group is the free group with four generators?
collapse the X
it is homotopy equivalent to wedge of four circles is the claim
14:56
I'm not sure I see how collapsing the X in $\otimes$ helps. Is there any names to these "background" theorems so I can read about them?
"Chapter 0 of Hatcher" is the best name I know.
user131753
Does anyone know any sufficient conditions so that the following diagrams, $\require{AMScd}$
\begin{CD}
(X,\tau_X) @>f>> (Y,\tau_Y)\\
@V g V V @AA h A\\
(Z,\tau_Z) @>>\operatorname{id}_Z> (Z,\tau_Z)
\end{CD}

and, \begin{CD}
(X,\tau_X) @<<f< (Y,\tau_Y)\\
@A g A A @VV h V\\
(Z,\tau_Z) @<<\operatorname{id}_Z< (Z,\tau_Z)
\end{CD}

commutes for some $h$ where $(X,\tau_X),(Y,\tau_Y)$ and $(Z,\tau_Z)$ are topological spaces and $f:(X,\tau_X)\to(Y,\tau_Y)$ and $g:(Y,\tau_Y)\to(Z,\tau_Z)$ are given continuous maps?
Collapsing a contractible subset A (satisfying some conditions, eg "NDR") gives a homotopy equivalence X -> X/A
user131753
15:13
Sorry, "..and $f:(X,Ï„_X)→(Y,Ï„_Y)$ and $g:(Y,Ï„_Y)→(Z,Ï„_Z)$ are given continuous maps?" should be "..and $f:(X,Ï„_X)→(Y,Ï„_Y)$ and $g:(Y,Ï„_Y)→(Z,Ï„_Z)$ are given continuous maps in the first case and $f:(Y,Ï„_Y)→(X,Ï„_X)$ and $g:(Z,Ï„_Z)→(Y,Ï„_Y)$ are given continuous maps in the second case?"
16:11
@CaptainQuestion Why are you confused?
Your example occurs for the general solution I gave with $a=1, b=0$
 
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18:10
Problem: Determine whether $\Bbb{R} / \Bbb{Z}$ is compact...I asked about this question a while ago and I believe I received an answer, but I can't remember it...sorrry...My question is/was, am I to interpret $\Bbb{R} / \Bbb{Z}$ as the a quotient group or a quotient space (i.e., all integers collapse to a single point)?
@user193319 quotient group
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Q: What relationship between points makes this a space?

UltradarkConsider the set of intersection points from the following curves in the unit square, $x^s+y^s=1$ $(1-x)^s+y^s=1$ $x^s+(1-y)^s=1$ $(1-x)^s+(1-y)^s=1,$ for $s \in \Bbb Q \ge 1.$ What relation can be formed between all points such that the points form a space? What kind of space is it? I thi...

@MatheinBoulomenos And we give it the quotient topology induced by $r \mapsto r + \Bbb{Z}$?
Okay. Thanks!
18:27
Is my question a good one?
 
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21:00
@user1357113 lol. my research vs me at 1:28
Hi chat.
I dont see anything wrong with it really. Maybe if somebody complains the issue would need to be revisited but i dont see the point in worrying until then
21:14
What?
21:51
What kind of space is $\Bbb R^4 \times \Bbb C^2$
What kind of answer are you looking for?
The best answer
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Q: What relationship between points makes this a space?

UltradarkConsider the set of intersection points from the following curves in the unit square, $x^S+y^S=1$ $(1-x)^S+y^S=1$ $x^S+(1-y)^S=1$ $(1-x)^S+(1-y)^S=1,$ for $S= \{\Bbb Q \ge 1\}.$ What relation can be formed between all points such that the points form a space? What kind of space is it? I th...

I think I am going to make a stand: you are not going to learn math effectively (if at all!) if you try to make up your own questions about concepts you haven't really understood from the basics, like the notion of spaces. You absolutely have to get a book - topology, set theory, I don't care - whatever you like - start from the front and get to the back, and do all the exercises.
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I'm glad to help if you do that. If not, I'm going to stop engaging, I think.
22:23
Can someone explain to me why the following (2nd to 3rd step)?
@nbro well it's ac+ad+bc+bd = (a+b)(c+d) on steroids
but ugh expectation isn't a godforsaken sum
@LeakyNun Why?
Because $\sum_x\sum_y = \sum_{x,y}$
Ok, I hadn't realized that the sum is over x and y
Another problem caused by notation
@LeakyNun isn't it defined to be a sum for discrete variables? Why isn't it a sum?
22:27
How important is communication?!
no, it's always an integral
discrete/continuous variables is a false dichotomy
@mathsresearcher It is a sum (for discrete variables).
sure, in high school / first / second year of university it's a sum alright
@LeakyNun It is a sum even in the second year of a master's or PhD. Maybe this is not the case if you're studying pure path, where you go into the generalization
@nbro with regards to your question, the second line also follows because the variables should be independent
22:30
@mathsresearcher Yes, exactly
This is basically part of the proof that if two variables X and Y are independent, then so is their correlation and covariance
So, yeah, the assumption here is that they are independent
@LeakyNun Could you please explain further?
I'm learning how to do propositional proofs (derivations and stuff) and I'm having a bit of trouble on this. (About to post a picture)
In the book I'm working through, I have to show that the conclusion is true or false.
The first thing I have is this:
$\lnot X \rightarrow Y$ (given)
$X \lor Y$
Anyway, thanks!
And, btw, happy new year!
This is false. If $X$ is true you can have $Z$ and $Y$ any way you want, like $Z$ false, $Y$ true.
@CaptainAmerica16 i'm not really sure but I know that the given is false when the hypothesis is true and the conclusion (Y) is false and X or Y is true when one of them is true
22:36
I guess that in this chat the best thing to hope is that you are able to come up with a lot of proofs
:P
Ah, I see.
That makes sense. I guess that's why I was having so much trouble reaching a conclusion :P
@LucasHenrique Oh, because it's equivalent to an or statement, right?
$$\begin{array}{rcl} E(XY) &=& \displaystyle \int_{(x,y) \in \Bbb R^2} xy \ \mathrm d(X^\ast \mu \times Y^\ast \nu) \\ &=& \displaystyle \int_{y \in \Bbb R} \left( \int_{x \in \Bbb R} xy \ \mathrm d(X^\ast\mu) \right) \ \mathrm d(Y^\ast\nu) & \text{Fubini} \\ &=& \displaystyle \int_{y \in \Bbb R} y \left( \int_{x \in \Bbb R} x \ \mathrm d(X^\ast\mu) \right) \ \mathrm d(Y^\ast\nu) \\ &=& \displaystyle \int_{y \in \Bbb R} \left( \int_{x \in \Bbb R} x \ \mathrm d(X^\ast\mu) \right) y \ \mathrm d(Y^\ast\nu) \\ &=& \displaystyle \left( \int_{x \in \Bbb R} x \ \mathrm d(X^\ast\mu) \right) \left(
@mathsresearcher a sum is just an integration with a discrete measure
@LeakyNun is measure theory taught before or after topology, in general?
after
I'm stuck on a problem but I don't want the answer, I want a hint
I'm trying to prove that every Pell equation for a nonsquare $n$ has at least one nontrivial solution.
I've proved that the problem is equivalent to find some rational $r$ satisfying $r^2 - n = 1/m^2$ for some integer $m$. I'm now trying to use analysis/basic topology to find a solution but I can't find how.
22:52
@LeakyNun What was your source for this problem?
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Q: If $g:[0,1] \to \Bbb{R}$ such that $g(x)=g(y) \implies g'(x)=g'(y)$ for all $x,y \in (0,1)$, then $g$ is monotonic?

Kenny LauIs this true or false? Let $g:[0,1] \to \Bbb R$ be a function continuous on $[0,1]$ and differentiable on $(0,1)$, such that $g'$ is a function of $g$, i.e. for every $x, y \in (0,1)$, if $g(x) = g(y)$ then $g'(x) = g'(y)$. Then $g$ is monotonic. I posted my proof as a self-answer, and wond...

@Symposium calculus of variations
Lol I meant what book/journal etc? Or did you make it up?
I made it up when doing problem sheets
It's very nice.
thanks
@Symposium maybe you can teach me what product of random variables is
23:04
There's no subject I'm worse at/hate more than probability/stats.
then what do you like?
I like algebra/number theory.
@Symposium and Tate's thesis?
Can someone go me with that Pell equation problem? If I read a solution I'll cheat, but I'm stuck.
@LeakyNun Haha, perhaps some day. I've recently started my second year (I know you're too iirc but frankly I've always been in awe how you managed to learn all that already).
23:18
no, I don't know Tate's thesis
Not Tate's thesis. But you know some really advanced shit.
Like I recall you were doing something about local Langlands and stuff. O_o
well that was just for my poster
@Symposium anyway is there anything you would like to explore together

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