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is the finite element method for solving PDE's a mesh method?
oh yeah, it is I just found it
I have these two definitions.
And I have a theorem. I wrote a proof for it but I need an external eye.
Actually, it might be useful to also give the earlier definitions: 280sloppy.github.io/pdfs/logique.pdf
00:41
yo
lets say you are tracking a point that meanders through a mesh-like region, in discrete jumps. however you keep refining the mesh such that the point looks as though it is moving continuously through the space
Yo @Meow
hi @Ted
whats up gamers
00:46
the ceiling
Fifa
can you describe the point using differential equations
I think the answer is yes
that if you refine the mesh enough you can arrive at a differential equation that describes the point moving
 
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03:52
I just tasted money homeh
$\nu \nu \nu$
Does anyone here like commutative diagrams?
@MeowMix
@Eran
04:39
Does anyone know the explanation for how the direction vector of u is derived?
That's the type of problem that makes me hate math
isn't this normal in calculus?
or do you mean u hate calculus in general XD
05:02
I got a question in calc
Im confused on how i got the last one wrong :/
can anyone help me in finding lower Riemann integral in question math.stackexchange.com/questions/3022257/…
@amanuel2 might be a careless mistake?
I think it's 112-64
@PrashinJeevaganth Oh Darn, yeah your right
Thanks!
 
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07:36
Reading through some old MSE posts
+1 for a very good addition to my and others' list-the Shifrin notes are a gem online and I wasn't aware of the Kleiman notes! — Mathemagician1234 Mar 3 '13 at 19:58
@TedShifrin
07:49
Unrelatedly:
59
A: Simplest way to get the lower bound $\pi > 3.14$

Professor VectorFrom the elementary inequality $$\frac{\sin x}x\le\frac{2+\cos x}3,$$ we get with $x=\pi/6$ easily $\pi\ge\frac{18}{4+\sqrt{3}}=3.1402\ldots$ Proof of the inequality (elementary, though not obvious): let $$f(x)=\frac{\sin x}{x(2+\cos x)}.$$ In order to prove $f(x)\le\lim_{x\to+0}f(x)$, we prove $...

Isn't that neat?
goodmorning guys :)
08:15
Anyone can help me with stuff cs.stackexchange.com/questions/100770/… ?
I am stuck with some Commutative diagrams ATM @RollupandsmokeAdjoint
can someone help me with math.stackexchange.com/questions/3022393/… Not able to solve it after trying for long time
good morning @Theantomc
08:31
Wait ignore that
Oh never mind, I was right, I forgot that $f$ was monotone
OK yeah, try to show that $\frac1{b-a}\int_a^bf(x)dx$ is between $f(a)$ and $f(b)$
(use the fact that $f(x)$ itself is between $f(a)$ and $f(b)$)
(alternatively, notice that that integral computes the average value of $f$ on that interval)
@Amit
 
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09:34
@AkivaWeinberger Thanks man i got the hint
10:20
Can somebody tell me how to find the smallest circle passing through intersection of a circle and a line
The equation of the circle will be S+πL where S and L are the given circles and line and π is a constant
The next thing I tried was making the radius zero.. Is this right because it's not matching the answer given in my textbook
Don't have any other ideas
 
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11:56
Huh, John Baez has a wikiquote page. Do they normally give wikiquote pages to people working in technical fields?
 
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13:54
Hi @loch
Hi @Mathei @s.harp (either the chat is drunk again or everyone is joining now!)
Currently thinking how to modify ZFC so I can have a set that it cannot even biject with itself
hi @Alessandro
I think I might need to break axiom of foundation if I want $X \not\subset X$
hi @MatheinBoulomenos
hi @LeakyNun
13:59
@MatheinBoulomenos when was the moment that you found your passion in algebraic geometry?
So I'm still thinking about fibers of morphisms. This time of the morphism of schemes induced by $k[x]\hookrightarrow k[x,y]/(xy)$. By looking at the picture the fibers over $(x-a)$, $a\neq 0$ and the fiber over $(x)$ should be different, indeed I got $\operatorname{Spec} k$ for the former and $\operatorname{Spec} k[x]$ for the latter. I don't know how to interpret those results geometrically though
you're still projecting $\{(x,y) \mid xy = 0\}$ to the x-axis
and observing that the preimage at 0 is a line
while the preimage at every other point is just a point
@LeakyNun my passion is number theory, algebraic geometry is just a tool to me
@MatheinBoulomenos when was the moment that you found your passion in number theory?
i was with soembody that put honey on their pizza today, wtf
14:02
when I worked out the proof of Fermat's two-squares theorem with Gaussian integers
Oh, I had a huge brainfart, I was imagining a tilted cross but that'd be $k[x,y]/(x^2-y^2)$ or something, it's obvious now @Leaky!
great
$$\newcommand{Spec}{\operatorname{Spec}}\begin{array}{cl} & (\Spec k[X,Y]/(XY)) \times_{\Spec k[X]} (\Spec k[X]/(X-a)) \\ =& \Spec (k[X,Y]/(XY) \otimes_{k[X]} k[X]/(X-a)) \\ =& \Spec k[X,Y]/(XY,X-a) \\ =& \Spec k[X,Y]/(aY,X-a) \\ =& \begin{cases} \Spec k[X,Y]/(X-a,Y) & a \ne 0 \\ \Spec k[X,Y]/(X) & a=0 \end{cases} \end{array}$$
@AlessandroCodenotti
Isn't $k[x,y]/(xy,x-a)\cong k[y]/(ay)$?
sure
what we said aren't contradictory
14:18
$(XY,X-a) = (XY,X-a,XY-(X-a)Y) = (XY,X-a,aY) \supseteq (X-a,aY)$
similarly $(X-a,aY) \supseteq (XY,X-a)$
Wrinkle singularities are hella weird
Their basic model is $f : \Bbb R^3 \to \Bbb R^2$, $f(y, x, z) = (y, z^3 + 3(y^2 - 1)z - x^2)$.
@MatheinBoulomenos Will you please check if my reasoning is correct about existence of desired $(c,d)$ in liked exercise' proof, here
$f$ is singular on the whole circle $C = \{y^2 + z^2 = 1\}$ in the $xy$-plane, and $f|_C$ itself is singular at the pair of antipodal points $\{(1, 0), (-1, 0)\} \subset C$.
Away from those two points $f$ is a fold singularity near $C$, and those two points are cusps.
Hullo chat
14:27
@AlessandroCodenotti do you have more fibres for me to compute? :D
@MatheinBoulomenos, sorry to bother you! just after i pinged you, got answer.
If $X$ is a prevariety there is a standard way to associate a scheme $t(X)$ to it. Is it true that if $X$ and $Y$ are prevarieties over $k$ then $t(X)\times_k t(Y)=t(X\times Y)$? It looks like it's true to me
Nah, that's correct.
I have no clue what the map does.
@AlessandroCodenotti what is a prevariety?
A topological space $X$ with a sheaf $\mathcal O_X$ such that there is an open cover $U_i$ of $X$ such that $(U_i,\mathcal O_{|_{U_i}})$ is isomorphic to an affine variety (an irreducible algebraic set in $k^n$ with its structure sheaf)
Basically something that looks like a variety locally
The usual example of a prevariety which is not a variety is the line with two origins
I'm interested in the above statements for varieties as well
14:48
@AlessandroCodenotti That should be right
so the difference is that it is not a locally ringed space?
Hi, did anyone here take a course that studies logic with constructing a formal language, examining syntactic and semantic properties of the language?
why is $\Bbb P^1$ not a line with two origins?
@LeakyNun the difference is basically that you don't have non-closed points
is a prevariety a scheme?
14:52
@LeakyNun because it's not (?) lol
Because to get $\Bbb P^1$ you glue together $\Bbb A^1$ and $\Bbb A^1$ along the map $\Bbb A^1\setminus\{0\}\to\Bbb A^1$ given by $t\mapsto 1/t$, to get the line with two origins you use the map $t\mapsto t$
taken literally, no - but to any such things you can associate to it a scheme whose closed points recover your prevariety
why not?
because schemes have non-closed points
14:53
oh
prevarieties are really just a slight generalization of varieties as algebraic subsets of $k^n$ with a structure sheaf. But you can associate a scheme to every prevariety
can I do Hartshorne ch.1 assuming that char k != 2 @.@"
I so desparately want to divide by 2
yes
i think people say hartshorne's ch1 is not that great
15:00
:o why?
i forgot it's just something people mentioned on the internet --- i didnt really go through ch1 that carefully
so you used Vakil?
eh i used both , but i mean for classical AG (varieties) our class followed shafarevich's basic algebraic geometry
but i mean if you like hartshorne's ch1 then i think it's fine
oh and if $f=aX^2+bXY+cY^2+dX+eY+g$ is irreducible then $A(f) \cong k[X]$ when $b^2 - 4ac = 0$ and $k[X,Y]/(XY-1)$ otherwise right
I proved it assuming char(k) != 2
what's A(f)?
15:03
the coordinate ring
oh
that sounds right
seriously I don't think it's true for char(k) = 2
wait lemme think about it
ok let $f = Y - X(X+1)$
ok this is not good, $A(f) \cong k[X]$ in this case
wait $A(Y-X^2)$ also $\cong k[X]$
what happens if we compose these isomorphisms
$f : \{ (x,y) \mid y=x(x+1) \} \to \{ (x,y) \mid y=x^2 \}$
$f(x,y) = (x,x^2)$
$f^{-1}(x,y) = (x,x(x+1))$
this is very interesting
15:25
If someone brought up the words 'finite group representation' why would your mind immediately go to the concept of averaging a numerical function over the finite group?
15:37
2
A: Weyl's unitarian trick

StephenThe existence of a positive definite Hermitian form is very useful to decompose your representation once you have produced a proper sub-representation; I don't believe it can be used effectively for producing sub-representations. However, in practice, the averaging idea used to produce the scalar...

The vector example is very good, hmm
is there a proof that for algebraically closed field $k$, $ax^2+bx+c$ has double roots iff $b^2-4ac = 0$ that does not do casing on $\operatorname{char}(k)=2$?
(Or at least the first part of it)
Can somebody help on how to get a transcript of a day easily. Like one month ago.
guys can you help with higher bound in d-dimensional?
15:46
@LeakyNun We know that $r_1+r_2=-b/a$ and that $r_1r_2=c/a$. Calculation shows that $(r_1-r_2)^2=(\dfrac ba)^2-\dfrac{4c}a=\dfrac{b^2-4ac}{a^2}$.
ah you're a genius
This should work in all fields, regardless of characteristic.
@Nobodyrecognizeable Take the link https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/36/2018/12/1 and change the "2018/12/1" to whatever date you want
(36 is the ID number of this chatroom)
is there a theorem that allows us to assume $\operatorname{char}(k) \ne 2$?
(which is why the link for this chatroom is https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/36/mathematics)
sort of how we can assume some polynomial to be non-zero when proving polynomial identities
15:50
@AkivaWeinberger thanks for the help.
@LeakyNun Somehow I doubt this
@AkivaWeinberger an application is Cayley-Hamilton theorem
we know that it is true for a matrix $A$ if it is diagonalizable
and it is diagonalizable if it has distinct roots
Besides, there's a host of theorems that are true for characteristic not 2 but are false for characteristic 2. So any such technique would only work on a some special class of statements
and it has distinct roots iff the discriminant of the characteristic polynomial is non-zero
@LeakyNun I meant I doubt that there's a theorem that allows is to assume $\operatorname{char}(k)\ne2$, I mean
Not the polynomial thing
15:52
@LeakyNun The line with two origins is obtained by gluing two copies of $\Bbb A^1$ along an $\Bbb A^1 \setminus \{0\}$ by the identity.
your arrow pointed to the wrong message :P @Akiva
Whoops, sorry
59 mins ago, by Alessandro Codenotti
Because to get $\Bbb P^1$ you glue together $\Bbb A^1$ and $\Bbb A^1$ along the map $\Bbb A^1\setminus\{0\}\to\Bbb A^1$ given by $t\mapsto 1/t$, to get the line with two origins you use the map $t\mapsto t$
you're sniped by an hour :)
Still not by you though
15:53
up your game boi
gameboy?
The crucial difference between the two schemes is that $\Bbb P^1$ has no nontrivial maps to $\Bbb A^1$, but the line-with-two-origins obviously has one.
I see
You're sniped by an hour @Balarka
(Alternatively, the ring of global sections are already different, you could say)
4 mins ago, by Leaky Nun
you're sniped by an hour :)
You're sniped by 4 minutes
15:57
yay
56 mins ago, by Leaky Nun
oh and if $f=aX^2+bXY+cY^2+dX+eY+g$ is irreducible then $A(f) \cong k[X]$ when $b^2 - 4ac = 0$ and $k[X,Y]/(XY-1)$ otherwise right
very interestingly this is still ok for char=2
vzn
vzn
@AkivaWeinberger luv it but (lol) somehow he didnt use word fractal a single time in article. o_O ... found another 2009 paper on Riemann + Collatz fractals lately by King luv it you might find something interesting (33 refs to "fractal") empslocal.ex.ac.uk/people/staff/mrwatkin/zeta/king2010.pdf
hi @vzn
vzn
vzn
@Theantomc hey... what country are you in?
16:03
@vzn Ah, yeah, that is weird
(that he didn't say "fractal")
Can i broke you with some probability stuff that you maybe can help me @vzn
Italy @vzn
vzn
vzn
@AkivaWeinberger there is some controversiality to the subj among mathematicians alas (going back to mandelbrot etc)
Italians will conquer the chat at this rate mwhahaha
:D i m often here @AlessandroCodenotti
@LeakyNun In general, a polynomial has a repeated root iff $\prod_{i\ne j}(r_i-r_j)=0$, and (at least in the monomial case) that gives you the discriminant. (It's symmetric in the roots so it becomes a polynomial in the coefficients)
The nonmonomial case would be the homogenous version (homogenification? I dunno) of the monomial case, probably
eg $b^2-4c\Rightarrow b^2-4ac$
16:09
I'm actually living in Germany at the moment though
I wonder if you could get the discriminant out of the $\gcd(p,p')$ thingy
So $ax^2+bx+c$ has a repeated root if it has a common factor with $2ax+b$
Hm, I might need to split it into a char 2 and non-char 2 case for that
because of the $2ax$
so maybe this wouldn't work
vzn
vzn
@Theantomc maybe can do more but think you need to crunch hard on your stats book. do you have one?
Yeah, never mind
but this does seem to imply that $ax^2+bx+c$ has a double root iff it's zero at $-b/2a$ (and in that case $-b/2a$ is the double root
What's $a(-\frac b{2a})^2+b(-\frac b{2a})+c$?
This is the formula for the vertex actually
$\frac{b^2}{4a}-\frac{b^2}{2a}+c=-(\frac{b^2-4ac}{4a})$
So that's another route to the discriminant but it only works for characteristic not 2
i have this one Michael Mitzenmacher, Eli Upfal-Probability and Computing_ Randomized Algorithms and Probabilistic Analysis-Cambridge University Press (2005) @vzn
vzn
vzn
@Theantomc that sounds pretty advanced. youre undergrad right? what year? did you figure out the R^2 E(x) problem yet? suggest intro level stats for that type of thing
16:19
yes i m degree in CS. We do few point in probability, just about some initial stuff. We study just basic probability and when i change course i find Markov and other inequality that left me stupid @vzn
in a book i find this E(yi - zi)^2 = E(yi^2 ) + E(zi^2 ) + 2E(yi zi) = Var(yi) + Var(zi) + 2E(yi)E(zi)
@BalarkaSen Got it
It's literally a wrinkle
vzn
vzn
@Theantomc yes those are basic properties of E(x) as outlined on the wikipedia page try to understand/ prove the basic ones & then youre in good/ better shape for understanding YFs proof
in that calculation 2E[(x−1/2)2]+E[x−1/2]E[y−1/2]=2E[(x−1/2)2] in don't understand why E[x−1/2]E[y−1/2] will be deleted, seem that the result is 0, but i dont understand why, for me the 2 expectation are the same value
vzn
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@Theantomc ok now think understand whats happening. think of the mean of a uniformly distributed (random) variable over [-x, x]
@Theantomic where are you studying if you don't mind me asking?
16:33
at Sapienza @AlessandroCodenotti
I see, nice. I did my bachelor in Trento (in math)
in math? pretty cool! @AlessandroCodenotti
@vzn i'm checking some proprieties :D
16:50
Hello!!

Let $q$ be a power of a prime and $n\in \mathbb{N}$. I want to calculate the dimension of the image of the linear map $\theta : \mathbb{F}_{q^n} \rightarrow \mathbb{F}_{q^n}$, $\theta (\beta)=\beta^q-\beta$.

For that we have to find a basis of the image, right? But how can we determine a basis? Could you give me a hint?
@Alessandro was zahlst du für dein Zimmer in Bonn? :D
Mein Zimmer ist so billig wie schlecht :/
Ich bezahle 250€ pro Monat aber im nächsten Semester werde ich so bald wie möglich umziehen
Aso okey, ich schau gerade nach wieviel die Wohnungen in Heidelberg kosten und es kommt mir ziemlich teuer vor lol
So in der Bahnstadt (ein ziemlich modernes Stadtviertel) kostet eine 1-Zimmer Wohnung gleich 550€ für so 19m² hahaha
Hier gibt es wenige Wohnungen, deswegen sind sie teuer und schwer zu finden
:/
Dein Deutsch ist btw extrem gut geworden seitdem du in Bonn wohnst ;)
lol
17:01
btw?
by the way
Ich habe mich für ein Zimmer im Studentenwohnheim der Universität bewerbt aber das hat nicht geklappt
sagt man das?
@Leaky ich schon ;P
@Alessandro beworben* und ja schade :/
17:02
thanks, I actually speak very little German normally here since I'm usually with other international students
@vzn maybe i caught the point. Because the mean is area of the rectangular , in my case the rectangular are based in 0 and from -1 to 1 this area is 0. I see that can calculate this expression , in 0 to n is (n+1)/2 so i hope that i m right
@ÍgjøgnumMeg Oh, that's even more irregular than I thought!
@MaryStar find the kernel instead
maybe can use this propriety of expecation E(X+a)=E(X)+a ... in my case E(x-1/2) = E(x) +E(-1/2) = 1/2 -1/2 ...the same are for the y part @vzn
@LeakyNun We have $$\ker (\theta)=\{\beta \in \mathbb{F}_{q^n}: \theta (\beta )=0\}=\{\beta \in \mathbb{F}_{q^n}: \beta^q-\beta=0\}$$ Are there $q^n$ elements in the set?
17:19
bonsoir @Astyx ca fait longtemps
@Alessandro I remember once during my A-Levels I used the construction "Ich habe gebrungen" for some reason
Of course, the correct past participle in this case is "gebracht"
setzen goes gesetzt, so sitzen must go gesitzt, right? wrong! Because reasons
I always mess up those two
hahaha
I do too
Sitzen follows the same pattern as essen, I wonder if an older form of sitzen was just sessen
> Behind it all is surely an idea so simple, so beautiful, that when we grasp it - in a decade, a century, or a millennium - we will all say to each other, how could it have been otherwise? How could we have been so stupid for so long? - John Archibald Wheeler
@ÍgjøgnumMeg That would make sense
17:25
About physics, I assume
vzn
vzn
@Theantomc its basically "expected value of a balanced distribution". it works for gaussian or uniform (your case) or ... try to look it up/ prove it using a property out of a intro stats book or page. it doesnt seem to be on the wikipedia pg, seems an oversight en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expected_value
aha found it for you For a random variable following this distribution, the expected value is then m1 = (a + b)/2 and the variance is m2 − m12 = (b − a)2/12. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_distribution_(continuous) ... this is a general property of "balanced" or "(left/ right) symmetric" distributions. try proving it using calculus... it presumably has some name somewhere...
i have to prove that for a sequence $(u_n)$ in $(\mathbb{R},|.|)$ if $\lim_{n\to\infty} u_{2n}=l_1$ and $\lim_{n\to+\infty}u_{2n+1}=l_2$ then $l_1$ and $l_2$ are the only adherent value for $(u_n)$ . I SUPPOSE THAT THERE IS AN OTHER ADHERENT VALUE $l$it means that there exists a subsequence $(u_{\varphi(n)})$ such that $lim_{n\to+\infty} u_{\varphi(n)}=l$ how to continue please ???
@AkivaWeinberger
how are you?
@Vrouvrou Either that subsequence has infinitely many odd values or it has infinitely many even values (or both)
(It can't have neither)
@Vrouvrou I'm good. Turned 19 yesterday
It was a good birthday
so I let $E=\{u_{\varphi(n)}, n\in\mathbb{N}\}$ if $E$ has infinitely even values then and finite odd value then $u_{\varphi(n)}$ converge to $l_1$
17:41
I should probably find some cool number-theoretic property of 19
It's a Gaussian prime
First time in eight years
Can be written as a product of 19 and 1 in exactly two ways
if $E$ has infinitely odd value and finite even value $u_{\varphi(n)}$ converge to $l_2$
@AkivaWeinberger please how to continue?
@Akiva lmao touche
Took me a second to get that
$1\times19$, $\begin{matrix}1\\\times\\19\end{matrix}$, $19\times1$, and $\begin{matrix}19\\\times\\1\end{matrix}$
Wait, is that what you were thinking of or is there something else
17:43
Oh that's dumb
Is there a smart way?
I was thinking, exchange the 1 of 19 and the other 1
Those are two different 1's
Distinguishable 1's
17:44
can someone help me please
well I was thinking about $1 \times 19 = (-1) \times (-19) = 19 \times 1 = (-19) \times (-1)$
- isnt allowed
I like my rings thank you very much
@AkivaWeinberger have you an idea on with what we find the contradiction?
You're trying to prove that it can't have a limit other than $\ell_1$ and $\ell_2$
17:48
YES
If it has infinitely many even values and converges, what can you say about its limit
it is $l_1$
but in the begging I suppose that l is different from l_1 and l_2
then it is not arrest to say that the contradiction is which l is different from l_1
@AkivaWeinberger
What if it has infinitely many odd values and converges
it converge to $l_2$
So if you have a sequence that converges to something other than $l_1$ and $l_2$, then it can't have infinitely many even values and it can't have infinitely many odd values
17:53
ooo
yes
then what to do in this case ?
Think about it
@vzn this i see...so my result is 1-1/ 2 ? because my a is -1 , and b is 1? in [-1,1]^d
then $l_1$ and $l_2$ are adherent value for $u_{\varphi(n)}$
@AkivaWeinberger
that is there two sub sequences from $u_{\varphi(n)}$
one converge to $l_1$ and the other to $l_2$
@Akiva $\Bbb Z[\sqrt{19}]$ is a unique factorisation domain, that's cool!
@AkivaWeinberger right?
in each time we find $l=l_1$ or $l=l_2$
but I can say that is contradiction with $l\neq l_1$ and $l\neq l_2$
17:59
hi guys
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