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Do I need to know how to solve geometric series ? :P
(1 0 0 , 0 1 0 , 0 0 1, 0 0 0 ) those are the colums of the matrix @TedShifrin
For some of the problems in the multivariable math book, yes! ... for diff geo, no.
The only basis vector I know for sure is $e_4$, @Kasmir.
hmm can you tell me what is wrong with this
x^3,x^2,x,1
as a basis for P_3(R)
and 3x^2,2x,1 as basis for P_2 (R)
That's one possibility.
But there are lots of others.
okay thanks that is what I came here for =P
because you can also do
00:06
Take any basis at all (using $1$ for $e_4$) for $P_3$ ... and let $f_j = D(e_j)$ be the corresponding basis for $P_2$.
@Ted this is going nowhere
ok this is going somewhere
x, x^2/2, x^3/3 , 1
@Kasmir: You can use any linearly independent polynomials at all!
how is that?
$x^3+3x, x^3+x^2-2x+7, x^2+11x-3, 1297$.
That's my basis for $P_3$.
00:07
and for P_2 u adjust it to that?
then what is the point of this exercice?
hmmmmmm
You still never told me exactly how it was phrased.
typing it now
Suppose D in L( P_3 ,P_2 ) Is the diff map defined by Dp= p' , find a basis for P_3 and P_2 such that the matrix of with respect to these basis is [ matrix ]
@TedShifrin same matrix i just posted to u
Yeah, yeah.
It should say basis for $P_3$ and basis for $P_2$.
And, if I were writing it, I'd warn people that there are zillions of correct answers.
yeah makes no sense otherwise
because we can take a basis for one of them
and then adjust the other basis
hmm comfusing Q's as always for poor kas
Now do you understand why I complained ---- again?
00:11
alright thanks Ted!
Yes yes
LOL, sure.
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Q: The Matrix of the Differentiation map.

SoapsSuppose $T \in L(P_3(R), P_2(R))$ is the differentiation map defined by $Tp = p'$. Find a basis of $P_3(R)$ and a basis of $P_2(R)$ such that the matrix of T with respect to these bases is $ \left( \begin{array}{ccc} 1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & 0 & 0\\ 0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \end{array} \right)$ I said th...

wow leaky
:D
how did you find these -.-
00:13
@Ted in both sources it was "a basis of ... and a basis of ..."
People posting homework ... how shocking.
and in both sources there was no such warning...
so @KasmirKhaan where is the question from?
I only suggested that I would give a warning. Most authors don't.
linear algebra done right
Pity the poor person who has to grade the homeworks.
00:15
by axler
it is not a HW Ted!
it is a book am reading
Oh, Sheldon's book ... not my favorite ... but I know him.
ok I just found it out inside the book
I didn't mean you, @Kasmir. I meant the things Leaky linked.
oh neat
00:15
like know him , in person ?
yes, we were in grad school together ... centuries ago
haha neat :D
it's the second question in "EXERCISES 3.C"
he had short videos before each section
i kinda like watching stuff
before reading book
2 Suppose D G C{V?>( R), V 2 (R)) is the differentiation map defined by
Dp — p '. Find a basis of V 3 (R) and a basis of 7^2 (R) such that the
matrix of D with respect to these bases is

/ 1 0 0 0 \

0 10 0.

\ 0 0 1 0 /

[Compare the exercise above to Example 3.34.

The next exercise generalizes the exercise above.]

3 Suppose V and W are finite-dimensional and T G C(V, W). Prove
that there exist a basis of V and a basis of W such that with respect to
these bases, all entries of M(T ) are 0 except that the entries in row j ,
3.34 Example Suppose D e C(V 3 { R), V 2 (R)) is the differentiation map
defined by Dp — p'. Find the matrix of D with respect to the standard bases

ofV 3 (R) andP 2 (R).

Solution Because (x n )' = nx n ~ l , the matrix of T with respect to the
standard bases is the 3-by-4 matrix below:



0 10 0


M(D ) = 0 0 2 0

\ 0 0 0 3
00:17
@Leaky: No more spamming.
Ted, i'm curious. Why is
I mean
with regards to a matrix of transformation, I know that if I have a linear transformation from R^n to R^n then the linear transformation of a vector is equal to the (matrix of transformation)vector
but thats assuming standard bases
is there a similar theorem for non-standard bases?
It works for every basis. You have to have the coordinate vector of the vector with respect to the basis. If you have my blue book, I can refer you to the page.
00:22
i'm not in my room atm, but can you tell me the page please?
I think the best way to think about basis transformation psychologically is to forget that the original basis exists
Look on pp. 415-417. (And if you don't know about my videos, you can find this done in there, too.)
this is interesting
What did you cook me for dinner tonight, @Leaky?
00:25
if $\mu$ and $\nu$ are measures on the same space and $\mu \ge \nu$ then $\mu(E) - \nu(E)$ is a monotonic function
@TedShifrin As a last parenthetical, my 14 coordinates are the columns of the matrix here: i.sstatic.net/EY1ku.png. Not terribly revealing at a glance, but there is some symmetry going on.
Isn't that easy, @Leaky? I would just think about $\mu\ge 0$.
hmm ted for these v.spaces
the only important thing is the dimension right
and a basis ofc
I dont see why calling them diffrent names
i mean vector spaces in general
once we know the dimension
00:29
come to think of it, I should try to see if I can make that symmetry more manifest. should be doable.
we know everything we need to
@KasmirKhaan my group rep professor said that vector spaces that are isomorphic should still be treated differently, for they have different "personalities"
@Kasmir: But if you want to talk about the linear map $D$, as you were earlier, that wouldn't make sense on $\Bbb R^4$.
yes ofc leaky
yes yes I get that
R^4 and P_3 arent the same object
Glad I could "help," @Semiclassic :P
00:30
but they have the same dimension
So the linear map depends on the vector spaces, despite what they're isomorphic to.
alrighty
thanks guys :d
kasmir shall retrun soon !
with more intresting Q's
Ted shall be gone.
@TedShifrin Bonne apetit!
I assume u gonna eat dinner now!
00:32
Thanks ... no, friends coming over for drinks, and then going out to a restaurant.
oh coolio
Have fun ! :D
Thanks.
is it common for a course named "measure and integration" to only deal with finite measures?
hi @Érico
by finite do you mean $\mu(X) < \infty$ or $X$ finite
the former
00:42
not that weird
"finite measure" is a technical term
as technical as $\sigma$-finite measure
is it the case in your university?
it being a technical term doesn't stop anyone from using "finite measure" to mean a measure on a finite space
i have heard many ppl do exactly that
i mean mine didn't restrict to the finite case but 99% of the time the modification from finite to $\sigma$-finite is either easy technicalities or obviously false
well I don't think we should just focus on $\sigma$-finite measures either
sure, they have a lot of nice properties
00:47
as someone who has used a lot of measure theory very few measures in the wild are both not $\sigma$-finite and interesting
I see
honestly i think a course that goes through all the pains of developing a lot of non $\sigma$-finite measure theory would be a bad course
fair enough
is Bourbaki a bad book :P
triggered
00:48
every time i opened a bourbaki book i thought it sucked
@Eric: Hope your ears were just burning.
I'm only here briefly.
they're on fire
ted
you mentioned videos
where can I find them?
Yup, my classes from two semesters with the book. They're also linked in my profile.
00:51
I guess the only advantage of the Dedekind construction of real numbers is that you can define $-\infty$ and $\infty$ naturally
@Leaky not liking bourbaki isnt even a hot take, the majority of professional mathematicians i interact w regularly think bourbaki either sucks or only matters for history (note they're mostly analysts and geometric analysts)
I guess I'm just not qualified to agree with you...
you're a legend ted!
LOL, where did that come from @maths?
I don't know haha, just felt like saying it :P
00:53
whether or not they're completely right i definitely wouldn't read them if what i wanted to do was learn math
Bourbaki gave math a bad name for decades ... over-formalizing everything and removing intuition.
I don't think a lot of non-math people even heard of bourbaki so it's ok
I meant among math people.
now that i think of it i think ive never opened a bourbaki book
It also led to horrible styles of teaching.
But can't blame that all on them.
00:56
@TedShifrin i dont know how true this story is but one of my profs in my first year said that a big motivation for the bourbakis was that formalizing the shit out of math made it less amenable to applications in war
given when bourbaki was a thing that's at least plausible
but iunno
Oh, that's fascinating. I've never heard that one.
i heard that's also the source of all the plant terminology that popped up around that time, for ex in sheaves
It's true that lots of math and physics people were drafted into the war effort ...
cuz plants sound harmless
Wow ... how fascinating.
00:57
given leray was a POW i can see that one too
Yup, Leray invented sheaf theory in prison.
but idk if it was ever said that that was the true motive
Who told you this stuff?
if $f:A \times B \to C$ where $C$ is a complete lattice then $\sup_a \sup_b f(a,b) = \sup_b \sup_a f(a,b)$ right?
(I should just ask Lean)
Ted, what was the undergrad math module you found really difficult?
00:58
@TedShifrin i cant remember her name, she was the instructor in my top class, i think she's a professor somewhere now
Hmmm, is it true that if both the closure and interior of a space are locally compact, then the space itself is locally compact? I think this is probably not true, because otherwise every subset of a locally compact space would be locally compact.
she was a post-doc at the time
or most challenging?
oh yeah zakharevich, she's a prof at cornell now
Fascinating, @Eric.
@maths: I don't have an answer to that, but algebra was less natural for me as an undergraduate than other things.
01:01
so i guess the conclusion is that maybe (?) the sociology of bourbaki is interesting, but the math is definitely more trouble than it's worth, just read better books that dont kill all the intuition
OK, I gotta go for now. Bye.
Take care Ted!
Nice to meet you!
01:15
@ÉricoMeloSilva ok this question was frustratingly difficult to solve (it took me half a day!)
let $\mu, \nu$ be measures on the same sigma algebra such that $\mu \ge \nu$, then show that there is a measure $\lambda$ with $\mu = \nu + \lambda$
01:42
Is it true that every disk contains a nonisolated point?
02:32
@user330477 Ball in metric space?
Oh, I'm a little late.
Hmmmm, given a connected space with a subset $X$ which itself has a connected subset. Is $X$ necessarily connected?
02:54
@LeakyNun interesting prob, not immediately obvious to me
03:43
A: prove that any non-trivial tree actually has at least two vertices of degree one.
B: prove that every simple graph with at least two vertices has two vertices of the same degree

Does proving B first immediately make A trivial in the fact that we could classify a non-trivial tree as a simple graph, and by substitution, A is true?
04:05
I've been doing too much aviation and too little math lately. :D
I saw the phrase "dihedral group" and thought: yeah, I know what that is. That's a group which I can roll to the right by stomping on the right rudder pedal (and likewise for the left).
If stomping on the right rudder pedal makes the group bank to the left, then it's an anhedral group.
04:21
Why is $\frac{\Log(z)}{z-1$ not analytic at $\infty$?
04:36
Why does $\frac{\Log(z)}{z-1$ not exist. I see this tending to 0 if we approach along real axis. What about other cases.
05:09
That's got a branch cut leading from 0 to infinity, doesn't it?
You can't choose a branch so as to make it continuous all around 0, or all around infinity.
@TannerSwett Can you explain a bit more? How do I somehow show that this limit tends to infinity along some direction?
I'm not familiar enough with this to give a reasonable explanation.
@TannerSwett Thank you anyways for your help.
 
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07:16
in Logic, 18 hours ago, by user21820
@LeakyNun @Holo: Here is a nice combinatorial problem (that is slightly related to logic): You start with some finite number of stones distributed among some of the vertices of an infinite connected (simple) graph. At each step you must choose some vertex with at least as many stones as neighbours, and move one stone from that vertex to each neighbour. If that is not possible then the game ends. Does the game always end?
Who can solve it? =)
 
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08:58
Suppose $f:(a,b)\to\mathbb R$, and $f$ differentiable at $(a,b)$. Let $x\in(a,b)$, and $f'$ discontinuous at $x$. Then, $f'(t)$ can't tend to $\pm\infty$ as $t\to x$, right?
@Silent I would say that's right. What's your reasoning?
(Note: I'm not certain. I just woke up. I may lead you astray. D:)
Oh:)
Reasoning:
@Fargle If $f'(x)$ tends to $\pm$ infinity then $|f'(x)|>|f'(0)|$ for all $x$ with $0<|x|\delta$ for some $\delta$. But this violates intermediate value property.
Hang on, I had a misapprehension here. I was thinking, "Well duh, if f'(t) tends to infinity, then you didn't have differentiability at x in the first place," but that's not the case---say f'(x) just happened to be 3. Oops.
Why the reference to f'(0)? We don't have that (a,b) contains 0 necessarily
@Silent Intermediate value property requires the function to be continuous
intuitively, if the derivative tends to infinity, then so must the function
@TobiasKildetoft I think that every derivative has IVP. This is precisely Darboux's theorem.
09:13
@MartinSleziak I see. I was not aware of that theorem
yes i was referring to that. Rudin does not mention name.
Then yes, once you replace $0$ by an appropriate number that argument is fine
@Fargle sorry for that. Rewriting with new info: If $f'$ tends to $\pm$ infinity at $x$ then $|f'(t)|>|f'(x)|$ for $0<|t|<\delta$ for some delta, which violates Darboux Theorem
Oh, I think, to apply that theorem correctly, I should write something like $|f'(t)|>1+|f'(x)|$, and then conclude, right?
That seems to stand to reason. I'm out of my element here now though---analysis is not my strong suit.
ok, thanks for your help
09:19
@TobiasKildetoft I was thinking of something like $\sqrt[3]{x}$, which has a derivative tending to infinity. But in that case you actually fail to have differentiability at $0$
@MartinSleziak, So, can I conclude from this discussion that, if $f:(a,b)\to\Bbb R$ differentiable at every point in $(a,b)$, and $f'$ discontinuous at $x\in(a,b)$, then $f'$ oscillates from both sides of $x$?
I am not sure about that.
One thing that brings some doubt is the claim that it oscillates on both sides.
Couldn't you get some function such that $f'(t)=0$ for $t\le x$ and the discontinuity is caused by the behavior of the function on the right from $x$?
@MartinSleziak Oh, you are so correct! Just searched this: example under heading two points
09:28
Oh no not the nerds
By oscillates on the right you mean that $\sup_{t\in (x,u)} f'(t) > \sup_{t\in (x,u)} f'(t)$ for every $u>x$?
Ali
Ali
Hi, Is there anybody know anything about maple ?
In the other words, similar as the definition of oscillation, but looking at intervals on the right form $x$.
@Daminark AFAIK, the nerds have their own chatroom.
@MartinSleziak this has same lhs and rhs in inequality
Sorry.
I was supposed to write $\sup_{t\in (x,u)} f'(t) > \inf_{t\in (x,u)} f'(t)$ for every $u>x$?
But in short, I am asking what you mean by saying that $f'$ oscillates.
Of course, it is well-known that a function is continuous at a point iff oscillation at that point is zero. Which is why I mentioned similar expression to the definition of oscillation, with the change that I looked only on one side.
09:35
I am typing the def I have, and will try to put some context.
Certainly, if I want oscillation $\omega_f(x)$ to be positive, the positive value, this difference has to be positive on the right or on the left (or both).
@Daminark :(
@Silent Schroder's Mathematical Analysis? books.google.com/books?id=jaE0dvv309YC&pg=PA63
This is definition of discontinuity by oscillation I have. So, by Darboux Theorem, I can't have neither jump discontinuity nor removable discontinuity for derivative. And, from discussion before, I can't have $f'$ tending to +- infinity at discontinuity. So, at discontinuity, $f'$ oscillates, right?
@MartinSleziak Wow! you are right :) That is superb text for self study.
09:43
The definition of infinite discontinuity in that book is that there exists a sequence $z_n\to x$ such that $|f'(z_n)|\to\infty$.
You link to Marc McClure's answer in this question: Discontinuous derivative.
If you look at first example - the one with $f(x)=x^2\sin\frac1x$, you can see that you get arbitrarily large positive and negative values of $f'(x)$ close to zero.
So if we use definitions from that book, in this case $f'(x)$ has infinite discontinuity at zero.
You can see this also from the graph of $f'(x)$, which is included in that answer.
Hi! When we say that an ideal is complete intersection?
@MartinSleziak I don't think derivative takes arbitrary large values near zero: see this
@Silent I am willing to bet 20 euros that it does.
oh :D
I am not sure why Desmos fails so badly on this function, but at the first glance you can see that the red curve is not the graph of this function. Clearly you have $-x^2\le x^2\sin\frac1x \le x^2$ and the graph drawn there is not between these two parabolas.
I see that you do not believe the graphs from Marc McClure's answer. :-)
09:54
@chris In what context? I would assume we say that when the corresponding closed set is so
But maybe I was too hasty in my conclusion, probably it is indeed close to $-\infty$ and $\infty$. (Which means I lose my bet.)
@MartinSleziak no! sorry. I was just curious, and derivative graph in McClure's answer seems to have bounds +1 and -1.
@TobiasKildetoft I'm studying this article arxiv.org/abs/1110.0745 for an exam, and at the bottom of page 2
Thats why i went to desmos
Yes, and the interval $[-1,1]$ is probably correct for that function.
But we would probably be able to make the sinusoids denser (steeper) to get infinite values.
Perhaps something like $x^2\sin\frac1{x^2}$ or some different exponent in the denominator.
10:01
@chris then I am sticking with my initial guess, but this is not really my specialty
So it seems that my intuition was of for the $x^2\sin\frac1x$ function, but it still can be modified to get infinite values.
So it's better if I ask directly to my teacher, thanks anyway @TobiasKildetoft ;)
I'll probably go and get something to eat and then I should get to the stuff I should actually be doing. Still, this was interesting enough that I bookmarked it and also posted in the Calculus and analysis chatroom. Maybe somebody will add something more to this if they notice the discussion there. Thanks for the discussion, @Silent
@MartinSleziak, thank you so much for helping me! You were so helpful
 
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12:56
Hey, you know the crochet models of the hyperbolic plane?
Turns out there's a TedX talk about it:
That's a coral
13:13
"Let $f$ be any function from $(-1,1)$ to $\Bbb R$ such that it is differentiable on $(-1,1)$ and, $\lim\limits_{x\to0}f'(x)$ does not exist. We know that $f'(x)$ does not tend to infinity as $x\to0$, since if it did, we would have $|f'(x)|>1+|f'(0)|$ for all sufficiently small nonzero $x$, and this contradicts the intermediate value property of derivatives. Hence there is a sequence $x_n\to0$, $x_n\ne0,$ such that $\lim\limits_{n\to\infty}f'(x_n)=L\ne f'(0)$."
I can't see why there is such an $x_n$ giving $L\ne f'(0)$.
(The intermediate value property of derivatives cited there is Darboux Theorem)
(I have quoted above para from baby Rudin sol manual, for exer 5.19)
@Secret Corals are hyperbolic.
Another one
This has the (anti-)parallel postulate illustrated on it
(The lines are straight because you can fold along them - this is demonstrated in the TED talk)
13:35
nice
@Semiclassical Is that a 6-simplex? It sure look like one from that convex hull
14:01
hey chat! I found this ses

$$ 0 \rightarroww \frac{T}{I} (-1) \rightarrow T/I \rightarrow \frac{T}{I+(y_1)} \rightarrow 0 $$

What does it mean $\frac{T}{I} (-1)$? Never seen
Sorry, i accidentally sent it before finish

Anyway, $T=l[y_1,\ldots,y_n]$, $I$ is a radical ideal and we're assuming $y_1$ is not a zerodivisor of $T/I$ (in fact in the second arrow there is an $y_1$ above, but I don't know how to write it)

Can someone help me understanding what $\frac{T}{I}(-1) $ mean?
Is $$I homogeneous? in that case $T/I$ is a graded ring and $(-1)$ just means shifting the grading by $-1$
14:21
Hey, is there a fast way to calculate the residual for a least squares problem? e.g. min ||y-Xb||? I don't particularly care about the coefficients, so I was wondering if there was a better way than just calculating the pseudoinverse?
14:32
@loch yup i forgot this fundamental hypotesis, I made some mistakes writing this question sorry ahahaha
so, you fist shift the grading by one and then you multiply by $y_1$, it makes sense, thanks!
14:58
Suppose i have a diffeomorphism f from R3 to R3 kai M a surface . Why D(fog)=Df*Dg where g is a chart of M has rank 2 ; i know Dg has rank 2 but why the composition also;
I want to prove that f(M) is a surface with fog being the chart but i need the rank of matrix derivative 2 . I know its alot easier to prove that transition maps are smooth but i want to use the definition of a surface
15:35
@Secret a 6-simplex is by definition a certain six-dimensional polytope. since what's there is a 3D polytope, that can't be a 6-simplex
(You can view it as the image of a 6-simplex in 3D space with respect to some linear transformation. But that's not anything deep: Every convex hull of n points in m<n dimensional space is obtained from an n-simplex in such a way.)
 
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17:36
is there an "if and only if" definition for a SMOOTH surface?
17:56
Yo. In a group, if the inverse of $a$ is denoted $a'$, the commutator $[a,b]$ is often defined as $aba'b'$.
Is there a concise notation for the "double commutator" $ababa'b'a'b'$?
It seems like there ought to be a way to write that concisely using the ordinary commutator notation, but there isn't obviously a more concise way to write it than $ab[a,b]a'b'$.
18:56
Can someone help me with this question? math.stackexchange.com/questions/3020412/integral-of-pde
@TannerSwett you can also write it as $[a,bab]$ or $[aba,b]$
How I can check the validity of the following argument:
(1) If I try and I have talent then I can be a Mathematician.
(2) If I become a Mathematician, then I will be happy.
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Therefore, if I will not be happy, then I did not try hard or I do not have talent.
@Semiclassical Oh right, I forgot about that. Yeah, that works all right.
@Semiclassical Do you have idea about PT-symmetric QM?
Hello
Someone work on weak Lebesgue spaces?
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19:14
in The h Bar, Nov 27 at 17:49, by vzn
googled this last friday and found this Introduction to PT-Symmetric Quantum Theory/ Bender https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0501052
in The h Bar, Nov 27 at 18:25, by vzn
nice/ brief overview of PT Symmetry advances by Hook https://www.edge.org/response-detail/27165
@vzn thanks
my basic stance is: There's a lot of interesting math in the realm of non-self-adjoint spectral problems, and some of it even has applications in physics. But it really doesn't tell you much about quantum theory as such.
As a slogan, "PT-symmetric QM" is fine. As a philosophy, I think it doesn't count for much.
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@taritgoswami yw. what is your interest? do you have a class on QM? did the teacher mention it? etc
@vzn Actually national atomic research institute offered me internship on Mathematical Physics.
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@taritgoswami congratulations! :)
19:20
My guide just send me yesterday that the topic will be PT-symmetry :p
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@taritgoswami did you accept? just googled that there are 2 major institutes in india, Bhabha and Indira Gandhi.
In Bhaba
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@taritgoswami do you still have interest in ?
@vzn There is Saha Institute of Nuclear Physics also, though Bhaba and IG are well known
@vzn Of course :) I wonder if there is any topic based on number theory in physics
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@taritgoswami (eg) Riemann has been connected to it, have blogged on it a few times. what areas of number theory are you poking on?
19:25
Analytic NT
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youre an early year in university right? have you had any QM in school?
Yes, upto Schrodinger equation :p after that I had interest in Physics, so read some more from Griffith
@vzn Have you made any progress in the Collatz conjecture?
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am interested in the "contrarian" aspects of PT symmetry but its rather new to me. wonder if it can be connected with some kind of interpretation issues. suspect the answer is yes but havent seen it yet.
@taritgoswami absolutely! was just hacking on it right now & then tried to start a conversation in chat somewhere :)
@vzn Ok bye for now :)
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@taritgoswami (lol) bye thx for sharing great news :)
19:32
Welcome :)
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@BalarkaSen (lol) oh ye of little faith :P en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_6:30
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