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00:00
@Eugene Hahaha =)
@PeterTamaroff because he has a graduate analysis book. that one is called papa rudin
@PeterTamaroff because it covers more elementary stuff than big Rudin
@Eugene I still don't get something on nomenclature.
When are you and undergrad and when are you a graduate?
@PeterTamaroff when you pay you're an undergrad. when you get paid you're a grad
@PeterTamaroff undergrad is before you get your Bachelor's degree (the first college degree usually) and graduate is when you are in graduate school after that.
00:01
@PeterTamaroff abebooks.com/9780070542358/… here's a $20 copy
@Eugene I don't pay, but I don't get paid either!
@robjohn Right, so when you're a graduate you're probably studying for a Ph.D.?
@PeterTamaroff i'm assuming you're not in north america then?
@PeterTamaroff or a Masters
@robjohn Right. Or BOTH! (After a brain damage insurance)
@Eugene No. I'm in Argentina
@PeterTamaroff i see. sorry for the assumption.
00:03
@Eugene So what do you do?
@PeterTamaroff i'm a masters student now so not much of anything really. I have a paper in number theory though so i would call myself a number theorist
@Eugene Nice! I'm really interested in number theory.
And where did you study?
i'm in waterloo now. I was in wisconsin before that
number theory is a nice subject. i like elliptic curves a lot so i'm moving into geometry now.
@robjohn yes, it is but I don't like that monicker.
Hi, once again!
hi
@PeterTamaroff and you?
00:07
@Eugene I'm freshman in university. But I'm also kind of an autodidact, but I take it seriously.
I'm kind of rigorist in proofs but then I love intuitive ""solutions"".
@PeterTamaroff if you want to do math you should definitely do number theory then!
@Eugene I'm mostly interested in analytic number theory.
But then this $E_8$ of Lie Algebras is seducing too, =)
@PeterTamaroff then apostol is a great place to start even though it's outdated
@Eugene I mostly studied from Spivak's Calculus
It is a great book.
But then I have very little knowledge of elementary number theory because of that.
@PeterTamaroff i meant apostol's analytic number theory book
00:11
@Eugene Oh! Yes! I have it. I will start reading it probably in the break in July.
it's a great book as it is the first of two parts
@Eugene Indeed, Apostol moves with really fast pace!
yup. i like his second book more
@PeterTamaroff that one is beautifully written
And when I read there is an $A>1$ such that $\lfloor A^{3^x} \lright$ is always prime I was like "0_o"
hahaha
that is cool
i personally don't know much about analytic number theory though
all i know is you need a lot of complex analysis
00:15
@tb That's what we called it. I will endeavor not to use it around you :-)
@tb Good day! The conference was nice, but it is nice to be home.
@Eugene What are you "mastering" on?
@PeterTamaroff i'm writing my thesis based on this deweger.xs4all.nl/papers/[25]dW-ABCSha-QuJMathOxf[1998].pdf
@robjohn sounds great. I saw the picture you posted. Speaking of which. Did you see this cartoon by J.M.? (it's in the starred list)
how do you hyperlink stuff here?
[link text](http://...)
00:24
@tb I would call that an animation rather than a cartoon.
@tb thanks!
@robjohn I quoted J.M. who calls his animations cartoons :)
@Eugene see here for more.
@tb I see that in the star list. But my statement still stands.
@robjohn Okay :)
@tb thanks again!
00:27
@robjohn What is that?
@PeterTamaroff One of J.M.'s masterful cart... err animations.
@PeterTamaroff cartoons are animations aimed at childrens' level of mentality.
so it is a cartoon after all :)
@tb :-p
@robjohn I mean the animation! You offended me =)!
=D
00:30
Sometimes humorous drawings are also called cartoons.
Gary Larson!
@PeterTamaroff here are a few links in the comments.
A cartoon is a form of two-dimensional illustrated visual art
i say that the "cartoon" is more three dimensional
by wiki standards
@tb my wife and I really like The Far Side
@PeterTamaroff you mean what the animation is about? See helicoid/catenoid.
@Eugene again why I call JM's gif an animation
00:32
@tb That's what I mean, yes.
@robjohn i agree with you
@Eugene Oh! I read about the ABC conjecture in Gaussianos some days ago. It is very interesting and far reaching,
It is funny how so advanced mathematics are given titles such as $A+B=C$
@PeterTamaroff it has a lot of consequences. Nitaj has a good website on it
@PeterTamaroff it's actually just a way of representing generalized diophantine equations
00:35
I see
Well, I have to go.
the motivation is that fermat's last theorem has coprime solutions
See you.
bye!
take care
see you, Peter
@Eugene Yes I read something of the sort. Now I don't really remember much!
Take care.
00:36
@robjohn my favorite cartoon is calvin and hobbes
@robjohn The Midvale school for the gifted is from there, isn't it?
the sheer genius of snowmen more than describes why
@Eugene That is perhaps ours as well. The snowmen in the driveway? Yes!
@robjohn snowmen on the car!
@tb Yes. I believe that is in one of the collections we have.
00:38
anyway i'm off too
bye all!
@Eugene Later!
See you, Eugene
00:58
ah, mosquitoes again.
anyway, I'll let others deal with that. Good night y'all!
01:14
@DIdier Hey! I never saw you around here.
Oh, confused you with Didier from math.SE
 
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04:13
Hello out there
Is anyone available to talk briefly about free monoids?
04:38
if you have a specific question, it'd be better to just ask instead of asking to ask. otherwise dunno.
04:49
@anon Yello
yo
@anon What time is it there?
10 till midnight
Oh. It is 10 till two here
I got caught up reading Apostol's introduction to analytic number theory.
I should read that sometime.
Then again there are a lot of things I should read sometime.
04:53
Too many for a lifetime.
It really sucks.
But now I'm cheering up with this youtube.com/watch?v=zq95_c5sNtg&feature=related
yeah I liked Carlin
05:07
Could someone please check my English.
I would prefer including the proof for the [MORE GENERAL NOTION] rather then for [SPECIAL CASE], which are, in my opinion, much less known.
I'd like to write much less well-known at the end of that sentence.
Does the phrase much less well-known sounds ok? Is much less known better/more correct?
@MartinSleziak Mmm, I'd say "isn't as well known as"
I do think it works, even though I guess if you stop to think about it carefully you realize it's amusingly convoluted. If you want you could say eg "not nearly as well-known" or look for other equivalents. At any rate, it should be "the proof is X" rather than "the proof are X." :)
In the place where I wrote are, I meant something like: locally barelled generalized inner product spaces are much less known than topological vector spaces.
"not as well known as2
I'll go with not nearly as well-known. And I'll make sure to phrase it in a way, where it is clear what the verb are relatex to.
Thanks!
anon: I am very capable of making rather convoluted constructions in English.
Thanks for you advice, guys.
 
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07:05
So your $A = \left[ \begin{array}{cc} 7 & 0 \\ 10 & 6 \end{array}\right]$
And you want to find $P$ such that $PAP^{-1} = \left[\begin{array}{cc} 7 & 0 \\ 0 & 6 \\ \end{array}\right]$
I assume $A$ is written is standard basis
Morning.
(I would like to know the basis in which the matrix of $A$ looks like $PAP^{-1}$)
@MattN Morning How have you been?
@KannappanSampath Good, thanks, how have you been?
@MattN Good! :)
07:13
@KannappanSampath I got an eigenvector for the eigenvalue $\lambda = 7$ the vector $\left[ \begin{array}{c} 1 \\ 10 \end{array}\right]$
and for $\lambda = 6$ I got an eigenvector $(0,1)$
@KannappanSampath Good : )
@KannappanSampath So now I claim the change of basis matrix will be $P = \left[\begin{array}{cc} 1 & 0 \\ 10 & 1 \end{array}\right]$
And you can check that $P^{-1} = \left[\begin{array}{cc} 1 & 0 \\ -10 & 1 \end{array}\right]$
$P^{-1}AP = $?
07:28
I claim that that applying $A$ to $(1,0)$
is the same as putting $(1,0)$ in the basis of eigenvectors. Then applying your diagonal matrix to this. And then changing back into the standard basis.
$A(1,0) = (7,10)$
A(1,0)=(7,10)
that is asking if there exists numbers $x,y$ such that
$(1,0) = x(1,10) + y(0,1)$
$ x = 1, y = -10$
remember that the vector $(7,-60)$ is in the basis of eigenvectors
call our eigenvectors $v_1$ and $v_2$
$7v_1 -60v_2$
$v_1 = (1,10)$ and $v_2 = (0,1)$
07:45
@MattN: are you here?
@Ilya Hey there : ) Yes!
@Ilya Heh : )
The avatar has changed, too.
Wasn't it green yesterday?
Not that it mattered much.
@MattN no, there is another Didier with 4k
@Ilya Oh! Good to know there are two of them. : )
the original Didier has either gray or the current gravatar - I guess, it depends on ip he uses
don't mix'em up!
@MattN did you draw a puppy stuff by yourself?
@Ilya Sorry was afk making more coffee & breakfast. Yes and no: there is a meme builder on memebase.com.
08:00
@MattN I know. But the faces were taken from there or you changed your face a bit?
@Ilya I didn't change anything : )
@Ilya Hi.
@MattN Hi.
@JonasTeuwen Hi!
@JonasTeuwen hi. Are you coming to Markus' presentation today?
Holy monkey I almost slept for 7 hours :-))).
@Ilya Oh right that is today.
@Ilya I have to!
08:02
@Jonas: cool! congrats (on your sleep success)
@Ilya Heh, so I again have two appointments at the same hour, that sucks.
@JonasTeuwen I wanted to ask you to put me in touch with him if you can come
Yes, congratulations Jonas!
@Ilya I will, come too!
thanks!
but if you have appointments, please don't be forced to come - since Markus will be here for some days, we can do it later, @Jonas
@Ilya lhf!
@MattN: no, their solutions are cumbersome
takes another sip of coffee
@MattN why should it be zero?
@Ilya It shouldn't.
08:29
:)
But I don't understand your answer.
The question asks for $x = f(y)$.
Heylo.
Hi Gigili.
I got this for that question: wolframalpha.com/input/…
Which I don't understand.
@MattN It also asks for an easier way than solving for x, in which I find Ilya's answer is the quickest.
08:32
Perhaps I need to eat breakfast for the first time in my life.
@anon True dat.
@anon thanks
@Gigili @anon hi
@Brian: hello
Hullo, Ilya.
@anon: for the first time in my life, I read the 2nd part of the question and missed its 1st part. Usually whenever it happens, I miss the last part of OP
@Daniel: hi
08:42
Can anyone help me with a question for Galois Theory?
:)
Oh I got it.
I have f(t)=t^5-2 \in Q
and K is a splitting field for it
I am trying to calculate G(K/Q)
@Gigili: I saw your edit with $\sqrt(n)$. How did you come to such life, ah?
What I did was that I thought that K was going to be K=Q(\sqrt[5]{2},\eta)
where \eta is a primitive 5th root of unity.
so K is an extension of degree 4*5=20
@Ilya It was difficult but I did it. I'm awesome like that.
08:46
but the problem when I calculate all the 20 automorphisms, I obtain that there are 1 of order 1, 5 of order 2, 11 of order 4, and 3 of order 5, and I dont know if I made a mistake or what? I just dont know of any groups with this elements :(
You sure about that 4*5 thing?
I mean, looking at t^5-2...
Eh, nevermind.
I'll be going to bed now.
nooo
I need help Q_Q
i think you would have to have at least 4 elements of order 5, so you probably have made a mistake in calculating the orders of your automorphisms
Exam time! See you later. : )
it seems to me that the automorphism that sends $\sqrt[5]{2} \to \eta\sqrt[5]{2}$ and leaves $\eta$ fixed is an automorphism of order 5, if we call this $\sigma$ then $\sigma^k$ must also have order 5, yes?
09:12
seems like everything has to be answered rather than commented
@Ilya It’s nice to get questions off the Unanswered list. I’ve been known to write up that kind of short answer after a while if no one else has done it.
Hi
I am learning for an exam and don't understand a proof in my learning materials
is this a good question for your front page, or do you dislike such questions?
I actually have the proof, only it makes a claim which to me sounds wrong. I suspect that it is my reasoning which is wrong and not the reasoning of the prof who wrote the script, but I can't find my mistake.
@rumtscho Depends a bit on the question, but there’s certainly no general bar. What sort of question is it?
@BrianMScott The lemma is "For every iteration of the Gomory-Hu algorithm, there is a representant pair for each edge"
09:28
@rumtscho And you’d like to know how this is proved?
@BrianMScott yes. And also why the proof I have read works (it sounds wrong to me).
@DanielMontealegre have you made any progress?
@rumtscho That’s a part of graph theory about which I know virtually nothing, or I’d take a stab at it myself. It sounds like a perfectly reasonable question to me, if presented properly. Be sure to make it self-contained, with at least a link to the Wikipedia page on the G-H algorithm.
Is this a good enough question, or am I supposed to just trust the proof our prof has given?
@BrianMScott OK, thank you.
Also, if you have doubts about a proof that you’ve given, give the proof and explain what it is that bothers you about it.
09:31
But I have some difficulties working with the notation given in Wikipedia
I hope it is OK if I use the notation from my script.
@rumtscho Sure. I suggested WP simply because it’s readily available.
@DavidWheeler yeah I calculated all the automorphisms and I got 20 of them
I got 5 elements of order 2, 11 of order 4, and 3 of order 5....
but the problem is that i dont know if that is a "well-known" group
@BrianMScott Do I have to also explain how the algorithm works?
you cannot possibly have 3 of order 5
hmmm
let me check my work... its rather computational
09:35
you must have at least 4. any element of a group of order 5 generates a cyclic subgroup of order 5, which contains 4 elements of order 5.
@rumtscho No, because anyone likely to be able to help will either be familiar with it or be able to pick it up quickly from available sources.
@DavidWheeler yeah you are right... gimme a minute im checking where i messed up
the 11 of order 4 doesnt sound right either
what i can tell you is you have a semi-direct product of Z5 and Z4 (Z5 is the normal subgroup)
this group actually has a name, but i don't know if you would call it "well-known"
ok yeah there are 10 of order 4, 4 of order 5 , 1 of order 1 and 5 of order 2
is that pairs of numbers (a,b)
such that a\in Z/5Z and b\in Z/4Z
and the operation (a,b)+(c,d) is performed coordinatewise?
the underlying set of a semi-direct product is the cartesian product, but the multiplication is not "coordinate-wise"
your best bet is to just give the group with a presentation, the automorphism that fixes the real 5th root of 2 and squares a primitive 5th root of unity is one generator, and the automorphism that fixes the 5th roots of unity and cyclically permutes the roots is another generator.
that is, you want the subgroup of $S_5$ generated by (1 2 3 4 5) and (2 3 5 4).
09:45
ok
so in the above if we let \tau and \sigma be the respective automorphisms
then we have that \tau^4=\sigma^5=id
and what other info do i have to give for the presentation
call one generator $\sigma$ and the other $\tau$ and calculate $\tau\sigma$ in terms of sigma's first and tau's after.
this will completely determine the multiplication table.
hmmm ok... I will think later on what the relations should be
hey how did you get that the subgroup generated by (12345) and (2354)?
it will be a non-trivial relation because $\sigma$ and $\tau$ do not commute, your group is non-abelian
well the automorphism of order 5 sends the roots to each other like this: 1-->2-->3-->4-->5
the automorphism of order 4 leaves the real root unchanged. it sends $\eta \to \eta^2$ which sends root 2-->root 3, it sends root 3-->root 5 (the root that has $\eta^4$), and being a 4-cycle, has to send root 5-->root 4
oh ok got it
oh man
and you're not crazy, this isn't a commonly encountered group
09:59
hmmm my professor hates me
now i have to find all the subgroups and their corresponding fixed fields
xD
I wrote my question
There is no minimal-cut tag. You can add it if you think the site needs it, it applies to my question.
there's not that many subgroups
the most numerous will be the ones of order 2
10:12
hey
i got this relation
tau sigma=sigma^3 tau
tau is the one of order 4 and sigma is the one of order 5
i think that's right
the "usual presentation" has the generators switched, with s of order 4, and t of order 5.
ok... from here on is just dealing with the tedious calculations... alright its 3am... time to go to bed. Thanks for the help
@rumtscho And I just prettied it up a bit.
and with st = ts^2. from ts = s^3t, we get s^2ts = s^5t = t, so st = s^3ts = ts^2.
@BrianMScott thank you - I am not very fluent in the Tex library on your site, and remembering how it works seemed like too much effort when all the symbols I needed were available in Unicode :)
10:31
@rumtscho No harm done. (I think that all I actually did was to enclose the mathematical expressions in single dollar signs and replace the membership symbol, the $\le$, and the $\ge$ by \in, \le, and \ge, respectively.)
@BrianMScott OK, thank you.
The question picked a downvote, I wonder why - if you say that such questions are OK here.
Even if the error in my reasoning is obvious to other people, I'm afraid I am stuck
And this course isn't taught this semester, I have to learn everything from a script. There isn't a TA I can ask.
@rumtscho I’m rather curious myself, as I see no basis for one. But upvotes and downvotes aren’t always reasonable or predictable. Give it a day or so to see what happens; there may not be anyone around who can answer it anyway, though I may take a look if it remains unanswered after I’ve had some sleep.
What package do I need if I want to use \mathscr ?
ok, it seems like \usepackage{mathrsfs} works fine
@Martin: maybe, amsfonts
I had \usepackage{euler} before, but it changed other fonts.
10:42
never heard about that :)
@Ilya No talk today, it is tomorrow!
amsfonts does not know mathscr
Interestingly enough, mathjax knows mathscr : $\mathscr F$. (In fact, I've learned the command from the usage at MSE.)
@JonasTeuwen why?
@Ilya My advisor had to go :-).
@Jonas ...so?
10:43
@Ilya It is his guest...
@Martin: then it should be mathtsfs - I used it as well in papers I use \mathscr
@JonasTeuwen ok, do you know when is it tomorrow?
@Ilya 16.00.
thanks
@Ilya You probably mean mathrsfs, right? Thanks
aha, missing 'r'
in fact, in my files \mathscr looks precisely like \mathcal
10:46
@MartinSleziak Much prettier than \mathcal.
indeed :) although sometimes $\mathscr I,\mathscr J$ are too fancy
what is some thing I try not to give up is to use $\mathsf P,\mathsf E$ for the probability and expectation instead of $\mathbb P,\mathbb E$
@BrianMScott I am used to mathcal, but many books use mathscr for filters, systems of sets and similar things.
And I know the command from your posts.
mathcal and mathscr are like $\epsilon$ and $\varepsilon$ for me :)
When I see that font in a post at MSE, there is quite a positive probability that it's from Brian.
I prefer $\varepsilon$.
@MartinSleziak It produces letters quite close to the way I make them by hand when using upper case script letters in mathematics.
10:50
@MartinSleziak Me too. I rarely saw a person who didn't
No LaTeX package produces something similar to my handwriting, but that's probably a good thing. That would be pretty illegible.
@BrianMScott it would be interesting to take a look on your handwriting :) I've already shared mine on request by MattN
@Ilya I’m one. I prefer $\epsilon$.
@BrianMScott now there are 1 of you :)
@Ilya The only handwriting of mine that’s online is calligraphy, which isn’t characteristic.
11:00
@Brian: would you remind me, how to study whether
$$
\int\limits_{-\infty}^\infty \log^2|\mu+\sigma x|e^{-x^2/2}\mathrm dx
$$
is finite or not?
the infinities are ok, I can bound $\log$ there with $x^2$
but for the point $x = -\mu/\sigma$ I have doubts what to do
I’m definitely the wrong person to ask about that, I’m afraid.
:)
thanks
@Jonas: are you around?
@Ilya Yes.
do you have an idea about the integral above?
@Ilya Hmm, oh, you mean it can blow up, the log? I will check it when I'm back!
11:07
thanks a lot!
11:37
yeah
11:48
I'm melting.
Maybe I should have another shower.
The weather widget claims it's only 23 degrees.
Feels like more.
x_x
@MattN wait a couple of days. It's 15 here already
Melting at 23°C? Ventilation must be terrible there!
we had out 23-25 for the last week
@ZhenLin We don't have ventilation here.
@Ilya Sounds better.
well, I liked that
11:54
nor here, which I should rectify when I start living here...
I'm a Southern man, in Volgograd it's +30 now
@ZhenLin hi, and where are you?
Here is Cambridge, and it's 15°C outside...
But I thought you were living there.
I go home in summer, where buildings are equipped to deal with 30°C heat properly. :p
Oh : )
BRB, I have to have another shower.
11:56
@ZhenLin which Cambridge?
@MattN Asaf would ack
The real one, not that upstart 400-year-old place. :p

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