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16:09
Sanity check: A hermitian metric on a trivial complex line bundle is just a hermitian form on \Bbb C?
*$\Bbb C$
mmh, how can one see that for tex in chat you actually have to use $ signs?
@Fargle hmm.. for that example, the vector (0,2) will be mapped to the zero vector mod 4. I also noticed the corresponding phenomenon in $\Bbb{Z}$ is that any vector which any of its components are length 2, can never escape not being a multiple of 2, thus any mapping will preserve that multiple of 2 property of any entry
so zero divisors somehow "trap" the vectors in a way they cannot escape
Seems right. The point seems to be that if you've got a zero-divisor determinant, you're mapping to a proper subspace (though that subspace may have the same dimension!)
I see
For example, [[1,0],[0,2]] maps $(\Bbb Z/4\Bbb Z)^2$ to $\Bbb Z/4\Bbb Z \times \Bbb Z/2\Bbb Z$.
16:25
can a induction be directly solved? like for tower of hanoi
we have a direct answer
2^(n-1)
yup and that reflects the cayley table entries 2*{0,1,2,3}={0,2,0,2}
I think we're secretly doing modules.
yeah, modules have torsion elements
and our example just happens to have a nilpotent zero divisor hence some element $a$ such that $a^2=0$
The scenario will be a bit different if we are working in $\Bbb{Z}/6\Bbb{Z}$
Not too terribly different. [[1,0],[0,2]] still maps onto a proper subspace in the same way.
It also interesting when think about how this related to jordan normal forms. Jordan matrices are nilpotent thus each mapping will send vectors through a decreasing chain of proper subspaces, until the zero vector is hit
16:30
Acting on an axis of $(\Bbb Z/n\Bbb Z)^k$ by multiplication by a divisor of $n$ seems to just "divide out" by that divisor.
hmm... $(0,2)*2=(0,0) \mod 4$, $(2,3)*3=(2,1) \mod 4$
finite fields seemed to behave differently, where multiplication by any nonzero element only sends the element to the next one as specified by the permutations
e.g. $(1,2,3,4)*2=(2,4,1,3) \mod 5$
16:47
@LeakyNun lol
@Secret: Jordan matrices are not nilpotent in general. They're blocks of the form $\lambda I + N$ where $N$ is indeed nilpotent.
Hey, @Ted!
hi @Oskar
How are you today? :)
Fair, and you?
16:55
ah I was trying to talk about that and I mixed up the names. Is there a special name for the N matrix?
Same. I'm looking forward to the weekend.
sup chat
Heya @Ted.
And heya @Eric
Gwarn y'all
Howdy @Fargle and @Eric and @ÍgjøgnumMeg.
16:56
Hey @Ted, how you doing?
@Secret: Not that I know.
I see
i was about to type howdy to Fargle and then Ted typed it so i thought it’d be weird
"Howdy" is difficult to escape.
I approve of your Tigger citation, @Fargle.
As Eeyore, I'll add, "... If it doesn't rain."
16:58
lol
I wonder, is it rainning also in the US today
I knew Hong Kong is raining, and many parts of Australia is raining
Florida is/was being hit pretty badly by a hurricane.
Horrible hurricane in Florida, now dying out in Georgia
No rain ever in CA, where we need it
I see
16:59
We got rain today
Said everyone in the UK ever every day forever
panhandle folks got it rough
What does one do in Georgia?
my florida fam are fine tho i think
I meant the Georgia in the US, not in greater Russia.
They're nowhere near the Panhandle, Eric, right?
hi @Alessandro
nah nowhere near
17:00
I have some friends in Pensacola, but the storm was pretty localized when it hit as I understand.
im from like 20 mins out of miami
I wonder how much percentage of the earth is rainning or hit by hurricane. It seems we are having some stormy global weather patterns since the start of this month
Uncharacteristically cooler water made for a smaller, but very intense, storm.
There was still tropical-storm weather down there, but not as bad as, e.g., Mexico Beach.
Despite the science deniers running the US, the world is beyond repair, it seems.
Yeah! We don't want to give up the comfort we have, it seems.
17:03
didnt the admin change its stance on climate change to like cognizant but completely nihilistic
like i think i read somewhere that know the admin is being like "yeah climate disaster is a thing but it's too late and we're fucked so lets just burn the world down"
I've never known them to be cognizant about anything correct.
I agree on the latter part of your statement, though.
Yeah! We're all screwed.
welp, most major cities are pretty fucked
Looks like NZ is getting it, too.
It's just God trying to go for the fascists. Stay safe and we should be good.
17:06
Howdy, @MikeM.
the fash is taking over in my other country of citizenship too so like w.e. everything sucks the world is rotting whatever
@Secret Does the "Hail" level really happen before?
no idea, though I do know back in August in sydney we have some hail
3 hurricanes near US
actually, that's 4. 2 other near india and the middle east
17:14
Brace yourselves!
@Secret my Android phone gave me a "cyclone warning" of some sort today
@Alucard I am glad that you took it positively :) in fact that word was new to me, so I searched in my dictionary. hence just posted correction for fun (u can see from my comments here that my math as well as enlish both are poor).
Unsettling
I wouldn't want my phone saying "asteroid warning". Haha!
5 hours ago, by Silent
@TobiasKildetoft, Dummit and Foote says "the property of being normal is an embedding property, that is, it depends on the relation of N to G, not on the internal structure of N itself (the same group N may be a normal subgroup of G but not be normal in a larger group containing G). "
Please have a look!
@Secret What are you talking about?
17:20
Is this same as saying that being normal subgroup is not transitive?
So @Oskar your sentence $\forall x\forall y( xEy)$ looks good for a sentence with arbitrarily large finite models. Can you find a graph not satisfying it?
Hi @Ted
@TedShifrin back there silent asked me about Willberger and we talked about the lectures he has done and I shared about how our uni found him teaching differential geometry lead to a disaster because infinities are needed
I certainly never say or do anything in differential geometry with "infinitesimals."
I then guess that one cannot really do differential geometry in an untrafinitist setting
@AlessandroCodenotti: Just any incomplete graph, but I'm a bit unsure as of how to phrase that. I'm not really fluent in the language of logic.
17:22
do people do that
that sounds gross
@TedShifrin Perhaps differential forms is the word I am looking for
I mean, how do you define a derivative without limits?
Why would he not allow differential forms?
Hi @Ted @Alessandro @Eric and everyone else
hello boy-o
Hiya @Mathein
17:23
hi @Mathein
Yo @Mathein
Hi @Fargle
Hi @ÍgjøgnumMeg
hey @MatheinBoulomenos
Hey @Silent
I have not took that course, thus I don't know how he actually taught it, it's just my peers said it is a total disaster that the next year the maths school switch him away from the course
17:24
@Eric: What's our complex topic for today? :)
@OskarTegby I'd phrase it in English. Any connected incomplete graph is not a model, as required, so you're done
Hi @Mathei
@Secret: I suppose he can't teach calculus either?
@Silent $s=yxy^{-1}$, $g=y^{-2}$ works
i have to meet w sid later and after that i was gonna start reading uh
the sections on bundles and curvature
17:25
His calculus teaching is meh, at least that's what I heard. I heard that students said he is not very enthusiastic on that course. Only mathematics history he is known to be very good
i think complex is converting me
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You've found religion, Eric?
Okay. @AlessandroCodenotti, but just for the knowledge of it. Would something like $\forall x\forall y(xEy)\wedge\exists x\exists y(x\neg Ey)$ work?
my religion is $\mathbb{P}^{n}(\mathbb{C})$
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BTW, if you want, you're welcome to share my exercises (and their flaws) with Sid, @Eric. Or not.
17:26
@MatheinBoulomenos oh! I thought that $S$ has to include $y^0xy^0$ otherwise i can't see how conjugation with $x$ of $S$ lies in $S$.
@Silent you can include $y^0xy^0$ with $S$
but the point is that it won't include $y^{-k}xy^k$ for $k>0$
i gotta be workin on those bois
thank you very much.
17:28
You don't have to write a sentence in the formal language, you already have one. You only need to find a graph which doesn't model it
@AlessandroCodenotti: Okay. :)
@Silent if you multiply any two elements of the form $y^kxy^{-k}$ with $k>0$ or take the inverse of something like that, you can never get an element with a $y^{-k}$ in the front, even through cancellation, that's the idea how you show that $y^{-1}xy$ is not contained in the subgroup generated by $S$
@Eric: Do you already know sheaf cohomology?
It might come as a surprise, but when coming into a new field knowing what kind of precision is required and when is a fair bit of the challenge, at least to me. :)
17:29
@Silent you're welcome :)
I must say, this is very unconventional way to teach that topic
@Oskar: That's not unusual.
I'm not sure I dare watch, @Secret.
I dig the intro music.
@TedShifrin i have seen sheaf cohomology before and read the section in GH but i still need to mull bc i dont understand it lol
Maybe Eric will get into Donaldson/Yau-tyle stuff
17:31
no, that's different, what this means is that for example, the subgroup $\{\mathrm{id},(12)(34),(13)(24),(14)(23)\}$ is a normal subgroup of $S_4$, whereas $\{\mathrm{id},(12),(34),(12)(34)\}$ is not a normal subgroup of $S_4$, althought both are isomorphic to $\Bbb Z/2\times \Bbb Z/2\Bbb Z$.
What it means is that the statement "$H$ is a normal subgroup of $G$" depends on how you embed $H$ into $G$ and not just on the abstract groups $H$ and $G$
Oh! That's elementary analysis. Seeing it just makes me want to get a drink. Where's the bartender?
@Eric: Definitely do my various exercises on that stuff.
yeah i was plannin on it
@MikeMiller wut dat
@Eric, briefly, blends of PDE with complex geometry and complex algebraic geometry.
@MatheinBoulomenos Thanks a ton, again! That was eye-opening.
17:35
that sounds like my jim-jam-jaroo
Yup.
Or any number of things Bryant works on ...
but that's more differential systems rather than higher-order estimates with PDE :P
sounds cool
so... he basically avoid talking about any derivatives by computing $f(x+\delta)$ and then get coefficients of this expansion, which happens to be the partial derivatives
I am not convinced that this works in general...
it works for analytic dudes
he'd have trouble with some of the interesting counterexample functions (like ones with directional derivatives but discontinuous, etc.)
@TedShifrin I was following your pedagogical advice with including geometric stuff today, I was TAing a precourse on groups and they had no idea why they should care about groups, then I drew a rectangle and a square and philolosophized about how groups abstract properties of some number systems, but also symmetries of geometric objects. I had the impression that this made groups more interesting to them
17:39
Good for you, @Mathein :)
like $\frac{x^2-y^2}{(x^2+y^2)^2}$ that famous example with discontinous partial diffs
Hey everyone!
I always walked in with cardboard triangles, rectangles, and models of regular polyhedra when I taught groups.
Hey :) @TedShifrin
hi @Perturb
@Mathein: Group actions rule :D
17:40
@TedShifrin I'm not quite on that level of geometric-approach-ness yet
Group actions can visualise many things about a group, such as stabilisers, normalisers, centers and so on
group actions make groups more intuitive, I agree
Things like that are so good for visualizing orbits and stabilizers, too.
As opposed to writing formulas.
groups make things go schwoop and that's why we care
17:42
Btw, is there a name for actions in general for any algebraic structures. I knew there are ring actions, group actions, semigroup actions etc. but is there an umbrella term?
wonders what Eric's been smoking, as his vocab has totally transmogrified
@Silent maybe the right math hasn't been invented yet for us mortals :D
@TedShifrin I can imagine
If i had taken illicit substances recently i wouldnt say that i had here
Of course not.
17:44
unless someone asked really nicely
Just go for geometric group theory the next time you teach them @Mathei
I just wanted to say "transmogrified."
Calvin and Hobbes taught me that word.
17:45
@Alessandro lol
calvin and hobbes is choice
btw did you have your first geometric group theory lecture?
I actually had the first geometric group theory class today, looks like a very interesting topic
It's my favorite newspaper comic ever. Quality.
I totally agree, @Fargle.
So, looks like you'll learn a lot this year, @Alessandro.
17:46
@Alessandro I don't know much of anything about geometric group theory, but if it has groups in it, it must be great!
Alessandro's courses sound sick
I'm not sure about his alg top course ...
@TedShifrin yeah I think it's actually going to be hard getting used to the level here. The weekly exercises sheets are tough
@Alessandro: You'll do fine. You're in the big leagues now. :)
Humans are group animals.
17:47
@TedShifrin That's the one I'm least sure about as well
I heard from a friend that exercise sheets in Bonn are harder than in Heidelberg
@OskarTegby Some of them work in the fields, though.
I would imagine it depends on professors ... in the US, things are very professor-dependent.
@Fargle: ;)
oh yeah, here, too
17:48
@Fargle: And some fight in the ring.
I also had the first combinatorial optimization class today, for which I'm lacking some small prerequisites I'll try to pick up during the weekend and the first algebraic geometry class which was very nice
humans are group = pairs of them can go poof
@TedShifrin Some unfortunate souls have wound up in magma.
sometimes whether or not you learn literally anything depends on the professor tbh
@Alessandro sounds like an awesome semester lies ahead
@EricSilva sad, but true
17:49
@Alessandro: I don't know what combinatorial optimization is.
magmas are quite "free", it is one of the only structures where one can divide by zero
turns out associativity makes things a lot nicer than other axioms
so nice it rules out division by zero (unless one do crazy things like in wheels)
Why are so reduced structures of importance?
Semigroups actually have practical applications in handling finite automata
Otherwise when dealing with function compositions, they pop up alot
A semigroup is half of a group.
Then you are half right
Groups -> semigroups, quasigroups
17:53
A semihemigroup is a quarter of a group.
and hypergroups ask for the price of the fish
A semihemidemigroup is an eighth of a group.
one is about throwing away inverses, another is about throwing away associativity
I think I'll come back when the abnormalcy has passed.
and hulugroups tell you the price of admission
17:53
Ted: lololol
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💥(Semigroup)={categories,...,...,...}
We can add those symbols in chat too? Nice.
@Secret what are the ways to categorize a solution space in terms of algebra. I think one of the ways is a variety. A variety is classically defined as the set of solutions to a system of polynomial equations
given a class$\{K_3\}=mx$
where $3$ denotes the number of elements in the class $K$
and $mx$ is the equation of a line with slope $m$
18:19
I'm a bit unsure as of how to do the induction step here.

https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/996641/show-functionally-completeness-property-for-propositional-logic
18:30
@MatheinBoulomenos @LeakyNun @OskarTegby can you help me revise this notation. define the class$\{K_3\}=\{\phi_1(x),\phi_2(x),\phi_3(x)\}=\{e^{A_1},e^{2A_1},e^{3A_1}\}.$ Define an explicit generator as $A_1={1/\ln(x)}$
@Ultradark Is that actually meant to be coherent?
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@Ultradark What the
Sounds like someone has spent too much time on n-lab, that's abstract af
So, given a group $O$ where $\{o\in O\}\bigcap\{o^{-1}\in O\}=I_O$, and $O$ has the traits:
$$\begin{align}oo=o^{-1}\\ o^{-1}o^{-1}=o\\ o_{1}o_{2}=o_{3} : o_{1}\neq o_{2}\neq o_{3}\\ o_{1}^{-1}o_{2}^{-1}=o_{3}^{-1} : o_{1}^{-1}\neq o_{2}^{-1}\neq o_{3}^{-1}\\oo^{-1}=I_o\end{align}$$
Is it possible to define $o_{1}o_{2]^{-1} such that the entire group remains abelian?
@Ultradark: I have a deadline, so I can't help you today. Sorry, mate!
18:37
There are many answers to that, @ÍgjøgnumMeg
drinking water
@user600999 It is not even abstract, it is just meaningless as far as I can tell.
@Rithaniel using $o$ like this makes for something impossible to read
Ah . . . yeah, fair enough
Also, you are not really defining any sets in your intersection
since set builder notation has two parts, and you forgot one of them
18:42
So say $F$ is a field and $a \in F$. Then $F[x]_a = \{a_1(x-a) + a_2(x-a)^2 + \dots + a_n(x-a)^n \ | \ a_i \in F, n \in \mathbb{N}\}$ is a subring of $F[x]$. One of the problems I'm looking at right now says "Show that $F[x]_a$ is a smallest ideal of $F[x]$ which contains $x-a$, yet I fail to see how $F[x]_a$ is even an ideal
@Perturbative It is not a subring since it does not contain $1$
I was always confused about rings and subrings with or without 1.
Ohh @TobiasKildetoft the definition of ring we're using in class doesn't necessarily include an identity
That it is an ideal is just a matter of checking the definition. Note that it consists of all polynomials divisible by $(x-a)$
@Perturbative I see
@user600999 @TobiasKildetoft I'm using the term "class" as "class of functions," and "class" such as in set theory
18:47
@Ultradark That does not make what you wrote make any sense
well can I define a set of elements as $\{e,e^2,e^3\}$
Okay, well, (switching from O to H), I'm thinking of $H$ as having two subset, and no member of a subset is the inverse for any other member of that subset, with the exception of $I_H$, however, each member of one subset has a unique inverse which is contained in the other subset. (I'm not sure if this is exactly clear yet, tell me if not) How would you define those sets with set builder notation?
@Rithaniel So $A$ is some subset and $A\cap \{x^{-1}\mid x\in A\} = \{e\}$ where $e$ is the identity element. Also, the union of those two sets is $H$?
Yes, exactly
And what was this element in the group with some property?
18:54
@Ultradark So you have $\{K_3\}$ is a set containing one element $K_3$ which is itself three elements $\phi_i(x)$ for $i\in\{1,2,3\}$ which are functions of $x$, which are exponentials
@user600999 yeah
Is Class a map taking $\{K_3\}$ as input?
Well, the properties of interest are that $hh=h^{-1}$ for all $h\in H$, $h^{-1}h^{-1}=h$ for all $h^{-1}\in H$, and $h_{1}h_{2}=h_{3}$ where $h_{1}\neq h_{2}\neq h_{3}$ for all $h_{1},h_{2},h_{3}\in H$
(Tell me if that's not clear)
@Ultradark Just a tiny problem with that. Typically $1\ne 3$
Also, while maintaining these traits, is it possible to define $h_{1}h_{2}^{-1}$ such that the whole group retains abelian.
18:58
@Rithaniel The first two are the same and just mean that all elements have order $3$ (or $1$)
The third one is not really meaningful
@user600999 I wrote class to make it clear that $K$ is a class, a colllection of algebraic curves
@Ultradark Algebraic... curves...?
True on the first two. I missed that. I'll need to read up on the meaning of order, though.
@Ultradark Are you constructing some moduli space of curves?
@user600999 yeah
19:01
@Ultradark I see
@Ultradark What moduli problem are you studying?
So, the fact that $hhh=hh^{-1}=I_H$ makes it order 3, correct?
right
(or order $1$ if it is itself the identity element)
Okay, so this group I'm building could have infinite elements, but the requirement that $hh=h^{-1}$ for all $h\in H$ ensures that it's always order $3$. That's could be a useful trait.
@Rithaniel Where does this group come from?
@user600999 for now just looking at the solution space of a finite number of lines of the form $y=mx$.(so maybe m=1,2,3) and looking at how these lines intersect the collection of these curves
19:10
o..o
It comes from my brain.
o..o'
@Rithaniel and it does so why?
I was just messing around this morning and was trying to make this group be abelian. Couldn't figure out a good way to do so, though.
You don't usually "make" a group be abelian.
19:15
True enough. I was trying to find a group with these traits which is also abelian, and couldn't find any.
@Rithaniel I am still not sure what the third condition was supposed to be, but there are plenty of abelian groups satisfying the others
@user600999 I'm really confused though because I can't figure out if my algebraic curves are actually algebraic curves!
Well, it's actually two things. The first is that two members composed together always result in third member of the group. No $h_{1}h_{2}=h_{2}$. Second, and this one could have been made more clear, is that, given the "inverse/not inverse" subset partitions, two members of one subset composed together result in a member of the same subset.
I think they are because intersecting a given curve by a line $L$ yields a finite number of intersections, suggesting that these curves are indeed algebraic
@Ultradark You are taking the moduli space $\Bbb R$ where $r$ corresponds to $V(y-rx)\subset\Bbb A^2_{\Bbb R}$?
19:20
@Rithaniel the identity element will always make that fail
On the other hand, it will never happen for any other elements
Ah, right, need to make that an exception.
I think basically you ought to learn more about groups in general.
@Ultradark You are dealing with the family $\text{Spec}(R[x,y]/(y-rx))\to\text{Spec}(R[r])$?
So, if you had a group, you never could have $ab=ba=b$ where $a$ is not the identity, even if it's only defined that way for one specific $a,b$ pair in the group?
@user600999 yes but I'm a little unfamiliar with the last term you wrote
could you explain that?
19:24
@Rithaniel Not sure what you mean. If $ab = b$ then you can multiply by $b^{-1}$ on the right and get $a = e$
@Ultradark Oh, I was lazy, I meant $R:=\Bbb R$
Ah, okay, then yeah, that statement is impossible (and I am dumb)
Wait were you referring to $\Bbb{A}^2_{\Bbb R}$? @Ultradark
By that I just meant $\text{mSpec}(\Bbb{R}[x,y])$
@user600999 yes okay makes sense now.
@Ultradark cool cool, I hope that helps
I have to go now. Tell me if you need more help with that
19:30
@user600999 Okay will do
@user600999 what is mSpec?
mSpec is Michael's spectacles.
Mspec is when you just take maximal ideals
mspec is only spec
just ask C(X)
Some authors use Specm instead
19:37
I guess mSpec is the good one for Banach algebras
Well-topologized
$\operatorname{Spaximal(R)}$
the awesomething about it is that its the same as characters (for banach * algebras) and that characters map operators to their spectrum
where the last spectrum is the functional analysis spectrum
its like words make sense again
19:49
Hi guys. How would I parametrize a plane $\mathbb{P}^3$ described by $x_2 = x_3 =0$?
Seems like you just have
Would it be correct to say that it is something like $(a:b:0:0)$
?
with a and b varying independently?
This is tripping me up
A plane in $\mathbb{P}^3$ should come from a hyperplane in $k^4$
but a hyperplane in $k^4$ should be described by only one equation
No, it should come from a 2-dimensional plane in k^4
19:52
I thought a line should come from a 2-dimensional plane in k^4
as a point comes from a line in $k^4$
What you defined is indeed a 'projective line'. You drop dimensions by 1 when you projectivize.
yeah
so a plane in projective space comes from an object of dim 3 in $k^4$
what am I missing

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