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why i get the tangent plane of$ x^2+y^2-z^2=1$ at (1,0,0) to be x=1..
Is the isomorphic image of a group into a monoid a group?
o..o
I think so ?
So actually, the isomorphic image of f $f:A \rightarrow B$ is always a group, if we assume that B has a neutral elements?
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Q: Isomorphism of Group with the Image of the Group - Fraleigh p. 82 Lemma 8.15

François MuerI found multifarious duplicates that I listed at https://math.stackexchange.com/a/631364/53934. I edged the purple part because my answer proves it more efficiently. I remember that any function $f: A -> f(A)$ is always onto but I misread. Sorry. Hence I removed original question (1.). (2....

i am reading the proof of this one
It seems to me, that the only requirement on $B$ is that it must contain a neutral element.
The inverse can always be defined $\phi(x^{-1})$, as $\phi$ is injective and thus unique.
in case of B is a group, then f(A) is a subgroup of B
they share the neutral element
What if $B$ is only some set with an binary option containing a neutral element?
00:51
but that's not necessarily the case if B is a monoid with a neutral element
Do you have a counter example?
take any set B with any random operation
and make it so that one element $x$ has $xx = x$
then embed the group of 1 element into $x$
idk for example B = Z/10Z with multiplication
you could pick 6
while 6 is not a neutral element for B
you can still make 6 into a group
you can do even better
for example the subset of Z/10Z made of even numbers
is a group
wait with 0 removed
{2,4,6,8} with multiplication mod 10 is a group
its neutral element is 6
and it's not Z/10Z's neutral element but it doesn't care
I see the problem.
well the CRT says that Z/10Z is secretly Z/2Z * Z/5Z and you're just taking the elements whose 1st component is 0
it's just pretty well hidden
also I used it in one of my answers and I found it funny at the time
I see.
So is there any canonical way to make the isomorphic image of a group into a group?
00:58
if B is a group, if you have $xy = y$ for any $x$ and $y$ then $x$ is the neutral element of B
I'm not sure I understand your question
in a monoid that fact is not true at all
so a subset can look like a group with a neutral element that is not a neutral element of B
Currently, I have a homomorphism mapping $f$ from a monoid $A$ to a group $B$. I found the kernel of $f$ and I want to have group structure on the space $A/ker(f)$.
By first isomorphism theorem, we know that $A/ker(f)$ is isomorphic to the group $B$.
I forgot to mention that $f$ is onto.
Is it possible somehow to find the group structure on $A/ker(f)$=
what is the statement of the first isomorphism theorem ?
That the image of $f$ is isomorph to $A/ker(f)$=
when $A$ is what ?
Ok, I see, it must be groups.
01:09
you can have the inclusion N -> Z, and then N is still not a group
(i include 0 in N)
but it is not onto isn't it?
hmm it's not
I suspect highly that in my case $A/ker(f)$ has to be a group.
But I don't know how to show it.
it's true if $f$ is surjective
I think
Is there any a clever way to show it?
01:14
I'm not sure about clever
Or any idea to show it?
you think very hard
My idea was to establish a isomorphism between $A/ker(f)$ and $B$ and then somehow to deduce a group structure.
Do you think it would work on this way?
maybe an isomorphism of monoids then ?
you would have to prove that $A/ker f$ is a monoid first
Thank you @mercio I will think in this direction tomorrow. It is bit late and my brain doesn't work properly.
Actually I could direct check if $A/ker(f)$ is a group
01:23
and you need to check that the composition law on $A/ker f$ is well defined
what is the composition law?
well if you hope to show that $A/ker f$ is a monoid you should come up with a composition law for it
Ah ok, you mean the binary operation?
In a group
yeha, binary operation
02:09
I'm preparing to learn galois theory; does it make sense to skip dummit and foote chapter on polynomial rings? I ask because I'm not gonna be using dummit and foote for galois theory (so won't be using studying part iii of the book, and polynomial rings will introduced in my galois theory course/book, I assume).
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Q: A Question on certain Hilbert space of continuous functions, and a characteristic of convergence in it

Rajesh DachirajuDefine $T^k(\Omega)$, $\Omega$ an open subset of $\mathbb{R}^m$ (with a smooth boundary), as a space of function equivalance classes, with the norm defined as $$ \|f\|_{T^k(\Omega)}^2 = \|f\|_{L^2(\Omega)}^2 + \|(\sum\limits_{i=1}^m(\frac{\partial^{k}f}{\partial x_i^{k}})^2)^{\frac{1}{2}}\|_{...

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@Ryan if you're sure you'll learn the content later, then there's no harm, but it may be the case that a self-contained Galois theory book will take polynomial rings as given, and since Galois theory uses polynomial rings... It's definitely something to learn, by some means or other
04:19
@Daminark In fact, looking a bit more it's not covered (some of it is, but it's largely assumed/skipped over). So I'll have to learn it from D&F. Thanks.
 
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Chemistry: Calculation have some progress, but it is expensive
the commands are STILL NOT WORKING
ugh
in The Periodic Table, 49 secs ago, by Secret
Also the RecalcFC keyword have done absolutely nothing, because the output said STEPS BEFORE HESSIAN REEVALUATED : 99999
Floods the chat with division by zero
06:13
::flags all divisions by zero as undefined::
{real numbers}
::Request accepted: 1+1=1 does prevent generation of reals::
(without modifications of the distributive law itself)
keep it real
 
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$0+0=0$
(Standard) Distributivity is an additive map: $\phi (a+b) = \phi (a) + \phi (b)$ for any element $a,b$
Multiplication by anything is a homomorphism as additive identities are preserved
Division by zero, however is not a homomorphism
The most important property of any division by zero algebra is that all elements are idemponent under addition. This can be easily observed by considering the division by zero map $\phi (0) = 1, \phi(1) = 0$
$0+0=0$ (additive identity)
$\phi (0+0) = \phi (0)$ (applying $\phi$)
$\phi(0)+\phi(0)=\phi(0)$ ($\phi$ is additive)
$1+1=1$ (Definition of $\phi$)
Now, observe that $1$ is a multiplicative identity by definition, the following is immediately concluded:
$x+x=x$ for any $x$
hence all elements in a division by zero algebra are idempotent under +
While it is possible to have $0+0 \neq 0$ (in which case one obtains a "shifted" Rock Paper Scissors (RPS) magma (see commutative magma for details) where the winning rules are altered), the same relation still results due to how additive identities get mapped to multiplicative identities
More generally, given an additive identity $e$, multiplicative identity $f$, a constant $a$ and the division by zero map $\phi$, and for all elements $b$, we have the following:
$e+e=a$
$\phi (e) + \phi (e) = \phi(a)$
$f+f = \phi (a)$
$bf+bf = b \phi(a)$
$b+b = b \phi (a)$
Thus unlike many algebraic structures, division by zero algebras are often highly constrained by their axioms
(and here I have not assumed any associativity, thus this is a very general result)
and therefore, the closest thing that is related to division by zero algebras (assuming we keep the usual distributivity rule so that we don't end up with things like wheels, meadows etc.) are RPS magmas, which means they generalise rock paper scissors games in some systematic fashsion
08:30
ah
now as for whether generalised rock paper scissors games are useful, we will leave this question to the game theorists...
(also typo remove the words "$\phi (1) = 0$")
Conjecture: The meaning of division by zero (as defined above) is the imposing of a partial ordering to pairs of elements in an algebraic structure such that they become generalised RPS magmas
More details will be discussed later in here when technicalities are finalised:

 Zero term algebra

All discussions on the ongoing project of algebraic structures...
To get an idea on how constrained division by zero algebras and division by zero magmas are, cyclic groups are one of the few examples which are "more constrained" than them (recall a group is cyclic if its generator consists of just one element <a>)
 
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> Forward-looking companies invest in homogenised relative programming.
 
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The earthenware kettledrum player in this orchestra is a mathematician: youtube.com/watch?v=aTaaRIVE578
11:58
I am studying Cantor's Diagonal argument, could anyone help me understand the restriction on successive 9's in the above proof?
...for the uncountability of real numbers?
Hi @ÍgjøgnumMeg! Wie gehts?
Grüß dich @Rudi! Mir geht's gut daaanke, und dir?
Ja auch! Danke. War gestern auf einer Hochzeit.
Bin noch ein bissl "dizzy".
Ahhhh und wie war die Hochzeit? :D
@GaurangTandon That's because you want to avoid numbers with two decimal representations
Such as $7,65=7,64\overline{9}$
12:03
Super lustig! Und Hunger und Durst war auch kein Problem. War im Pinzgau in einem kleinen Ort.
:D Hört sich aber fein an!
@AlessandroCodenotti oh cool, thanks
Ja, war topp :-)
@Rudi hey, hättest du irgendwelche Vorschläge für deutsche Bücher? Ich mach im November eine Deutschprüfung und würde gerne irgendwas lesen haha
Ich denk mir so.. Die Leiden des jungen Werther
@GaurangTandon The problem is that, for example, you could have $7,65$ already in the list, so you want to be sure that the new number $0.b_1b_2\dots$ you're building is not $7,64\overline{9}$, the easiest way to make sure that won't happen is to avoid numbers with repeating nines altogether
12:05
Ich bin großer Kafka f
an
(mist)
@Rudi Aaahh okey, also die Verwandlung?
(das wäre das einzige Buch von Kafka wo ich kenne hahaha)
Z.B. Gibt aber auch die Aphorismen und den Prozeß oder Schloß ...
Müsste alles irgendwo auch frei im Internet sein
@AlessandroCodenotti yep, i was getting to the same btut now i am wondering if theere are other digits like $8$ which on repetition could give another number
12:06
Muss auch aufhören "wo" zu benutzen hahah
(let me try them all out first :) )
Kafkas sprache ist kristallklar
Geothe schreibt auch hammermäßig aber das würde ich für später empfehlen
denn die Sprache ist schon viel schwerer
Ich hab auch das Schloß mal auf Schwedisch gelesen
@GaurangTandon Nope, the only issues is with periodic nines, so you only need to take care of those
Ah jo? Ich schau's mir trotzdem an lol
war eine Gute Übung. keine Monstersätze und keine zu ausgefallenen Wörter
logo
Faust ist super
12:08
haha "monstersätze" mag ich
Halt, den Ausdruck
@AlessandroCodenotti given a repeating number $z$, such that $$\begin{align}z&=x+0.\bar{9}\\10z&=10x+9.\bar{9}\end{align}$$ substracting we get $$z=x+1$$ wow, nice! the same does not occur with any repeating digit
was liest du denn gerne, thematisch mein ich
thank you @AlessandroCodenotti, now I understood it fully! :)
@Semiclassical Oh I saw now your answer... I understand so far :)
12:11
Kafka ist ziemlich abgefahren; Goethe mehr konventionell aber mit viel Tiefgang.
@Rudi muss zugeben dass ich seit ca meinem 15. lebensjahr kein Buch völlig durchgelesen habe
@GaurangTandon You're welcome! It is truly a smart and neat proof
also hab ich keine Ahnung
hahaha
:-)
ich hab auch erst spät mit "Literatur" angefangen
12:13
Mhmm, Kafka und Goethe waren aber die 2 Schrifsteller die mir schon eingefallen waren also passts :D
Schriftsteller
Hi!!! I have a question. Let $A \in M_n(\mathbb{C})$ be a hermitian matrix that satisfies the relation $A^{99}=I_n$. How do we deduce that $A=I_n$ ?
ja vielleicht werden Kenner die Hände über den Kopf zusammenschlagen, dass ich diese fast schon Klischee-Autoren vorschlage, aber es sind halt Klassiker und das zu Recht.
Es gibt halt hunderte gute andere auch noch ...
Ich wollte auch mal ein buch lesen wo mit irgendwelchen Kugeln zu tun hat aber ich hab den Namen vergessen
hahaha
12:15
aber ich kenne nur ein paar Dutzend besser ..
lol
oder sagen wir 2 Dutzend ...
lol
Das Glasperlenspiel heißt es
hahaha
Ja, Hesse
mochte ich auch.
:D Das wollte ich auch schon mal lesen
Ich kauf mir so 2 oder 3 bücher bis zur Prüfung
Was ist es für eine Prüfung?
und versuch mal ein bisschen ... "offizieller" zu reden
"Großes deutsches Sprachdiplom"
12:19
Oh hört sich ehrfurchtsgebietend an
Das ist für den Hochschulzugang
und wenn man unterrichten will
ehrfurchtsgebietend hahaha
Naja, die mündliche Prüfung wird glaub ich nicht so schwierig sein denn ich hab im Reden ziemlich viel Erfahrung
Was du hier schreibst ist alles topp!
aber... auf die Schriftlichen muss ich mich schon vorbereiten haha
jo aber ist alles ziemlich "umgangssprachlich" nicht?
12:21
Wäre nie draufgekommen dass du kein Muttersprachler bist
hahah danke
Ja es ist glaub ich schwierig Umgangssprache und Schriftsprache gut zu trennen und beide zu beherrschen.
Ich hab nur ein Sprachniveau in Englisch.
Genau, und ich hab bis jetzt fast gar keine formelle Ausbildung in deutscher Sprache gehabt
nur so.. in Österreich am Arbeiten
haha
Und beim reden ist es in DE nicht unbedingt immer besser zu gehoben zu reden. Während es beim Schreiben nie "gehoben" genug sein kann.
Mein Erfahrung ...
hahaha
Eben
12:23
:-)
naja ich werde auch immer ausgelacht wegen meines Akzents hahaha
hehe
aber das glaub ich geht dann mit der Praxis weg ..
Ich hatte drei Jahre lang einen Labokollegen aus Aberdeen er wurde mein Freund und als er ging hatte ich echt ein gutes Gefühl beim Englisch reden
und bekam auch hin und wieder Komplimente,
:D Glaub ich dir
aber das war nach einem halben Jahr als er ging wieder weg
...
lol
Also die Schotten versteh ich kaum tbh
hahah
12:26
lol
war komisch er sagte er hätte einen Akzent
aber ich konnte das nie raushören
ein anderer Bekannter aus Glasgow hat einen Hammer derben Akzent und das hör sogar ich
ich find's immer lustig wenn man hören kann von wem ein Ausländer die Sprache gelernt hat
oder wo sie gelebt haben
aber verstehen kann ich sehr gut
ich glaube Deutschen/Östereeichern liegt der schottische Akzent
zumindest im Hören
wie meinst du?
Ich versteh den Satz nicht hahah
"mir liegt etwas"
12:29
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A: What are "perfectoid spaces"?

Kevin BuzzardHere is a completely different kind of answer to this question. A perfectoid space is a term of type perfectoid_space in the Lean theorem prover. Here's a quote from the source code: class perfectoid_ring (R : Type*) extends Tate_ring R := (complete : is_complete R) (uniform : is_uniform R) (...

im Sinne von "steht näher" / to be inclinded to
glaub ich
ahhh okey
Wenn ein gemäsigter Schotte losbrabbelt behaupt ich dann versteht der Durchschnittdeutsche mehr als wenn ein Südengländer loslegt (behaupte ich jetzt mal).
Ich find den österreichischen Akzent leichter zu verstehen als den Deutschen, wahrscheinlich weil ich dort gewohnt hab, aber ich find's irgendwie "klarer"
Ja genau so in der Art. Kann natürlich sein dass es einfach daran liegt was man gewohnt ist.
12:32
Genau haha
Aber die nordbritische Phonetik ist glaub ich dem Deutschen ein bissl näher vielleicht.
Ja stimmt :)
Nach dem Motto wo das "u" noch ein "u" ist ...
und das "r" ein "r" .. lol
12:33
ja
Im Südwesten (wo ich herkomme) ist es glaub ich ein bisschen schwieriger
die Vokalen werden alle irgendwie vermischt
Ja zum Beispiel.
So, ich muss abhauen, ich schreib gerade etwas für die Veröffentlichung meiner Bachelorarbeit (die schon ein paar Wochen verspätet ist hahaha)
Alles klar! Schönen Sonntag noch!!
Ebenfalls ;) Servus
12:51
[Random]
$z = x + b$
$az = ax + ab$
$(1+a)z = (1+a)x + (1+a)b$

$(1+a)b=(1+a)$
$z=x+1$
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54 mins ago, by Gaurang Tandon
@AlessandroCodenotti given a repeating number $z$, such that $$\begin{align}z&=x+0.\bar{9}\\10z&=10x+9.\bar{9}\end{align}$$ substracting we get $$z=x+1$$ wow, nice! the same does not occur with any repeating digit
$= 💥(0.\bar{9}\equiv 1) |_1$
13:17
A curve is "smooth" if it is everywhere differentiable, right?
has to be at least $C^{\infty}$?
Ah I see
There was a really nice analogy for some intuition about local-global stuff in number theory
where one considers that it might be easier to analyse the smoothness of a curve by looking at each point rather than looking at the whole curve
but I'm struggling to make it sound convincing
hahaha
13:38
Hello!!

When we have a linear map $f:\mathbb{R}^3\rightarrow \mathbb{R}^3$ with $f(x,y,z)=\begin{pmatrix}0 & 0 & -1 \\ 1 & 0 & 1 \\ 0 & 1 & 1\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}x \\ y \\ z\end{pmatrix}$, how can we find f-invariant subspaces $V_1, V_2$ of $\mathbb{R}^3$ with $\mathbb{R}^3=V_1\oplus V_2$ ?
@MaryStar eigenspaces
13:50
@LeakyNun That means that I calculate the eigenvalues and the corresponding eigenvectors and then $V_1$ is the set of the zero vector and the eigenvector of the one eigenvalue and $V_2$ is the set of the zero vector and the eigenvector of the other eigenvalue?
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Let $u$ be an additive absorber i.e. $u+x=u$ for all $x$
Then $uy+xy = uy$ for all $y$
Now observe that for any $y \neq u,0, x\neq y,0$, the term $uy+x$ does not simplify further
@LeakyNun So is $V_1=\left \{\begin{pmatrix}0 \\ 0 \\ 0\end{pmatrix} , \begin{pmatrix}1 \\ -2 \\ 1\end{pmatrix}\right \}$ or $V_1=\left \{\begin{pmatrix}0 \\ 0 \\ 0\end{pmatrix} , z\begin{pmatrix}1 \\ -2 \\ 1\end{pmatrix} \middle | z\in \mathbb{R}\right \}$ ?
it needs to be a space
@LeakyNun So the second one?
13:58
sure
Now define the zero addend for any $x$ to be an element $b\neq u$ such that $x+b=u$
And can we consider the eigenspaces as the f-invariant subspaces such that the direct sum is $\mathbb{R}^3$ ? @LeakyNun
yes
you might want to prove that yourself
Thus a zero addend is the additive analogue of a zero divisor
Therefore, if an algebraic structure with additive absorbers lacking zero addends, then an additive analogue of the zero product theorem holds:
$xy+zw=u \implies xy=u \lor zw=u$
Are the eigenspaces per definition f-invariant?
As for the direct sum, the two eigenvectors $\begin{pmatrix}1 \\ -2 \\ 1\end{pmatrix}$ and $\begin{pmatrix}1 \\ 0 \\ 1\end{pmatrix}$ are linearly independent and they span $\mathbb{R}^3$, that's why we can consider them, right? @LeakyNun
14:10
Analogous to zero divisors, zero addends do not have additive inverses, for if they do then the following will happen:
$x+b=u$
$(x+b)-b=u-b$
$x+(b-b)=u$
$x+0=u$
$x=u$
which is a contradiction since $x\neq u$ by definition of zero addends
Compared to zero divisors, zero addends may potentially have extra properties that their multiplicative counterpart does not have, due to extra opportunity to interact with the distributive law. Consider an additive domain (a semiring lacking zero addends) $A$ which has the following expression:
$xy+xz=u$
Then the zero summand theorem (the additive analogue of the zero product theorem) allow us to do:
$xy=u \lor xz=u$
Meanwhile, observe that $xy+xz=u \implies x(y+z)=u$
Thus we have:
$xy=x(y+z) \lor xz=x(y+z)$
which gives:
$xy=xy+xz \lor xz=xy+xz$
If these elements have additive inverses, then we have:
$0=xz \lor 0=xy$
This suggests a connection between zero divisors and additive absorbers in additive domains
Does the Lie group has to be same dimension as lie algebra if I use lie third theorem?
Meanwhile there is no such analogue in multiplicative domains:
$(a+b)(c+d)=0 \implies a+b=0 \lor c+d=0$
Here we have additive inverses tied to multiplicative absorbers instead
Similar to division by zero, it is possible to do "subtraction by u" and the properties of the associators are identical to those in division by zero magmas.
$x+u=u$
$x+u+v=u+v$
$x+0=0$
However, as you saw above, zero will then become an additive absorber. Similar to division by zero, there is some degree of constraint imposed on the multiplication structure due to the distributive rule, but if zero addends exists, then the constraint is less than in division by zero. This is because the distributive law is "unidirectional", in that it is multiplication distribute over addition, but not vise versa
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We consider the surface $S$ of the space $\mathbb{R}^3$ that is defined by the equation $2(x^2+y^2+z^2-xy-xz-yz)+3\sqrt{2}(x-z)=1$. How can we find (using symmetric matrices) an appropriate orthonormal system of coordinates $(x_1, y_1, z_1)$ for which the above equation has the form $ax_1^2+by_1^2+cz_1^2=d$, for some $a,b,c,d\in \mathbb{R}$ ?
We will explore these exotic structures, as well their natural transformations later in the Repository of Unnatural Algebraic Structures
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[Random]
List of elements
a: Generic
b: Lower bound
c: Constant
d: Differential map
e: Additive identity
f: Multiplicative identity
g, h: Function
i: Imaginary unit
j: Quarternion unit j
k: Quarternion unit k
l: Infimum
m: Maximum
n: Integer
o: (Not used)
p: Prime
q: Zero inverse
r: Real number
s: Irrational
t: Upper bound
u: Additive absorber
v: Additive absorber inverse(?)
w: (Unassigned)
x, y: Generic
z: Multiplicative absorber
$\alpha, \beta, \gamma, \delta, \zeta$: Generic ordinal
$\epsilon$: Infinitesimal or nilpotent
$\eta$: Generic ordinal
$\theta$: Weakly Inaccessible cardinal
$\iota$: Idempotent
$\kappa, \mu, \nu$: Generic cardinal
$\lambda$: Limit ordinal
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