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4:00 PM
yes
 
damn its not perfect to read stuff in English for me (means I need more practice ...)
anyway thanks @LeakyNun !
 
Something I find really cool is that the definition for coprime ideals are like directly motivated by elementary number theory. Like you say two ideals $\mathfrak{a}$ and $\mathfrak{b}$ are coprime if $\mathfrak{a} + \mathfrak{b} = (1)$ and then you get a characterization of them in the sense that $\mathfrak{a}$ and $\mathfrak{b}$ are coprime iff there exists $x \in \mathfrak{a}$ and $y \in \mathfrak{b}$ such that $x + y =1$
which is basically a ring theoretic version of Bezouts idenitity from elementary number theory
 
Remember that equivalence relations are objects on sets, so if you have a monoid structure you would not expect something defined as a set construct to be compatible with the monoid structure
 
@MikeMiller OK, Now what is the smallest counter example?
 
Hello!!

If $A$ is a 4x3 Matrix and {v1, v2, v3} is a linearly dependent set of vectors in R^3, then {Av1, Av2, Av3} is also a linearly dependent set in R^4.

This statement holds because of the following, or not?

If $v_1,v_2,v_3$ are linearly dependent you can find constants $a_1, a_2, a_3$ not all $0$ such that $a_1 v_1 + a_2 v_2 + a_3 v_3 = 0$. Now multiplying this by $A$ we get: $A ( a_1 v_1 + a_2 v_2 + a_3 v_3 ) = A 0 = 0$. Then we get $a_1 ( A v_1 ) + a_2 ( A v_2 ) + a_3 ( A v_3 ) = 0$ where one of $a_1, a_2, a_3$ is not equal to $0$.
Hello @LeakyNun !! Do you have an idea?
 
4:14 PM
Let $\{\Omega_i\}_{i\in I}$ a famille of connected sets such that $$\exists i_0\in I, \Omega_{i_0}\cap \Omega_j\neq \emptyset,\forall j\in I$$
I want to prove that $\bigcup_{i\in I} \Omega_i$ is connected.

If I suppose that $\bigcup \Omega_i$ is not connected then, there exists two non empty open sets $A,B$ from $\bigcup \Omega_i$ such that
$$
\begin{cases}
\bigcup \Omega_i= A\cup B\\
A\cap B=\emptyset
\end{cases}
$$
we have $\forall i\in I, \Omega_i\subset \bigcup_{i\in I}\Omega_i=A\cup B$ then $\Omega_{i_0}\subset A\cup B$ as it is connected we have $$\Omega_{i_0}\subset A~\text{or} ~
@Perturbative
is the tex is correct because I can't see it
 
@LeakyNun Just wondering since I've been unable to get the time of day from you for quite some time. Should I be taking a hint for some reason?
 
@rschwieb what do you mean
 
I think that's the first response I've had from you in the past three times I've talked to you :P
also an email
but I understand when people don't read email
 
what??
 
how to see code latex?
 
4:19 PM
@Vrouvrou You mean, in chat? If so, see the second link in the room description
 
I don't understand what I must do?
 
Hi all, I'm trying to learn about direct sums of subspaces from some videos on the Internet prying to digging into a textbook... Is there a relationship between direct sums and orthogonal complements?
 
@Vrouvrou . If you want to see tex in chat, store the first bookmark suggested there. THen you can run it when you get into the room. I just use the second bookmark manually when I need it.
 
trying*, not prying*
also dig not digging, I'm not sure what I was thinking as I wrote that message.
 
@JakeS Read this: math.stackexchange.com/a/1691956/29335 but replace every "module" you see with "vector space"
@JakeS The orthogonal complement could be viewed as something that fills out an internal direct sum decomposition of a vector space
 
4:25 PM
@Rudi_Birnbaum You're the one learning, so that is an exercise for you. :)
 
@MikeMiller I try a counter example: the monoid $\{e,A,a,b\}$ with three equivalence classes $\{e\}$,$\{A,a\}$,$\{b\}$ and $ab=e$ and $Ab=a$, correct? (You're right!)
 
Thank you, @rschwieb!
 
@JakeS Using the (external) direct sum, you can make a bigger vector space out of separate vector spaces, and using the internal version you can break up a vector space into smaller pieces. Really they're the same thing, from the right viewpoint.
@LeakyNun So what's new?
 
I notice that the notes from my course only talk about sums and direct sums of vector subspaces, whereas the videos I'm watching to try and ground myself before digging into the text speak only of orthogonal complements
I understand they're different but related concepts, but is this normal?
 
shrug. If you have a subspace $W$ of a vector space $V$, then the orthogonal complement is one of many subspaces such that $W\oplus W'=V$.
It has nicer properties than the others
 
4:30 PM
@JakeS You need more structure to be able to speak of an orthogonal complement than just to speak of direct sums
 
Thanks, everyone!
By the way, as a complement to my first course in Linear Algebra I'm following Gilbert Strang's course and textbook, do either of you have any further suggestions?
 
@Perturbative do you have an idea about my proof
 
@Vrouvrou I'll be back in about 45 minutes, just gotta head out quickly, I'll take a look at it then
 
What is Aa?
ba, bA, aA, aa, AA
I guess your point is they don't matter
 
@MikeMiller the image of the monoid operation
 
4:34 PM
I concede
@Rudi_Birnbaum You just didn't define those operations I meant
 
well by two examples
not completely though, not much is missing as well
Its a monoid as long as all exist and $ex=xe=x$ for all $x\in$ the monoid.
Well I forgot associativity, I hope it can be
@MikeMiller @TobiasKildetoft OK lets use then the Klein four group as our monoid: $\{e,a,b,c\}$ and the eq.cl.es $\{a\}$, $\{b\}$,$\{cd\}$. Then $ab=c$ and $ac=b$, contradiction.
 
@JakeS At the time I was learning linear algebra, I didn't have an appreciation for which books were good, so I'm not sure.
 
@Rudi_Birnbaum might want to fix up those nonsensical equations
 
@MikeMiller @TobiasKildetoft my last answer is wrong, work in progress
 
4:49 PM
@JakeS: Strang's course is very non-rigorous. If you want to see some more proof-oriented lectures, also emphasizing the geometry, you can try my videos on YouTube (see my profile). It sounds like your course is a bit more advanced than Strang's. The direct sum construction has nothing to do with dot product (whereas, of course, orthogonal complement does). A special case of the direct sum construction is to point out that $\Bbb R^n = V\oplus V^\perp$, but you can do lots more things ...
 
@geocalc33 wont help, since they're in addition not adding to the same form (TWO problems here ...)
 
just fix em up
 
@AbdelrhmanFawzy Have you started by doing some easy algebra with $\left|\frac 1x - 1\right|$ to see how it relates to $|x-1|$?
 
I'll check out your videos @TedShifrin! Thanks! Unfortunately, I'm now in my second semester of Linear Algebra with only a very rudimentary grasp of some concepts from my first course, namely the associated matrix of a linear transformation and projections.
 
If you look at the right lectures of mine, they might help with that stuff plus more basic things like dimension, basis, etc. Plus proofs (whereas Strang does no proofs).
 
4:52 PM
Do you cover those ideas in your course? (which I am now perusing! Looks fantastic, though it covers material that I'll be covering over several undergraduate courses)
 
Right, you don't want to deal with the multivariable calculus/analysis yet. :) But you can separate things out reasonably well.
 
@geocalc33 Strictly speaking their not really non sensical, they just have the empty set as solution (for $s=0$). In a way an equation in variables is the very same thing as the space of solutions. So in a strict sense your set consists of all equations assigning the empty set to $x$ and $y$. So in a sense its "not even wrong".
 
It looks like a great resource. I'll be keeping it bookmarked for calculus as well. I see quite a few that I'll be watching. Do you cover associated matrix of linear transformations anywhere?
Apologies to the rest of the chat for cluttering it up with my questions!
 
Sure, @Jake, quite early ... in the first dozen lectures, where I'm doing only the standard matrix. Later in the course there are projection matrices, etc., and then the discussion of a matrix for a map $V\to V$ with respect to an arbitrary basis and change of basis formula (that's within the last ten of the entire year), leading in to eigenvalues, eigenvectors, and diagonalization questions.
 
4:59 PM
@geocalc33 I recommend to drop the idea (what ever it exactly was) and maybe go back to group theory for a while.
 
Fantastic, thank you @TedShifrin! I'll be spending quite awhile with your videos, I think!
 
You'll find them somewhat conversational with the students, but I hope helpful.
 
Given your book is somewhat more general than the course I'm taking, and Strang's doesn't do much as far as proofs are concerned, do you have any suggestions for resources to go with the ideas you cover on linear algebra?
Unfortunately the notes for my course are both in a second language and, well, generally awful where clarity is concerned.
 
I wrote an intermediate-level beginning linear algebra book (separate from the course on the videos). If you're more interested in proofs and an abstract discussion, I'm fond of Friedberg-Insel-Spence.
 
I'll check it out. Thank you again, @TedShifrin! It's very kind of you to make your lectures available to struggling students such as myself.
 
5:07 PM
@MikeMiller @TobiasKildetoft OK again the Klein four group $\{e,a,b,c\}$ and equivlance classes $\{e\}$,$\{a,b\}$ ,$\{c\}$. $aa=e$ and $ab=c$. $e\not\sim c$. Contradiction.
 
It was my students' idea, @JakeS. I take no credit :P
 
Yep that's good
 
Hi Mike
 
@MikeMiller as you said I can independently of the "monoid" structure (which here is actually a group, freely choose what the classes are and it does not interfere with the structure of the monoid). Thanks!!
 
@JakeS I really liked Kaplansky's Linear algebra and geometry: a second course but as the title says, it may be better to learn it as a second course
It's small, affordable, and interesting.
 
5:10 PM
Any equivalence relation on a group that satisfies h ~ g implies ah ~ ag is necessarily of the form "h and g are the same left cosets of a given subgroup"
So in particular equivalence classes are all the same cardinality
 
which divides the order of the group!
in the finite case
 
Hi Ted
 
@MikeMiller btw. the theorem I just try to digest is: In case of such an equivalence relation $R$ on a monoid $G$, the equivalence classes form also a monoid called $G/R$.
which is clear now to me.
 
5:29 PM
@TedShifrin Bonjour, pouvez vous voir si cette preuve est juste s'il vous plait
Let $\{\Omega_i\}_{i\in I}$ a famille of connected sets such that $$\exists i_0\in I, \Omega_{i_0}\cap \Omega_j\neq \emptyset,\forall j\in I$$
I want to prove that $\bigcup_{i\in I} \Omega_i$ is connected.

If I suppose that $\bigcup \Omega_i$ is not connected then, there exists two non empty open sets $A,B$ from $\bigcup \Omega_i$ such that
$$
\begin{cases}
\bigcup \Omega_i= A\cup B\\
A\cap B=\emptyset
\end{cases}
$$
we have $\forall i\in I, \Omega_i\subset \bigcup_{i\in I}\Omega_i=A\cup B$ then $\Omega_{i_0}\subset A\cup B$ as it is connected we have $$\Omega_{i_0}\subset A~\text{or} ~ \O
 
@Rudi_Birnbaum I remember thinking about quotient monoids. From what I recall I thought that they were much trickier than quotient groups
 
@Vrouvrou I don't see how $\Omega_{i_0} \subseteq A \implies \forall j \in I$ we have $\Omega_j \cap A \neq \emptyset$
 
@rschwieb that theorem is mostly harmless. I guess the idea is to only use the minimum requirements and get the analogue one for groups as a lemma.
 
That would happen if $\Omega_j \subseteq \Omega_{i_0}$ for all $j \in I$ I'm sure. Also I'm not really sure why there is a need for $\Omega_{i_0}$
 
$\emptyset \neq \Omega_{i_0}\cap \Omega_j\subset A\cap \Omega_j$
@Perturbative
because $\exists i_0, \forall j\in J, \Omega_{i_0}\cap \Omega_j\neq \emptyset$
 
5:45 PM
Okay I think I see what you're saying
 
Okay it seems correct to me @Vrouvrou, but I'd write it up a bit differently like this: Suppose we had a family of connected sets $\{C_i\}_{i \in I}$ with nonempty intersection $\bigcap_{i \in I} C_i \neq \emptyset$. Let $p \in \bigcap_{i \in I}C_i$. Suppose $\bigcup_{i \in I}C_i$ is disconnected.
 
@LeakyNun intriguing vid, I guess you mean to say, it doesn't work like that ...
 
@Rudi_Birnbaum I just want to share music with you lol
 
Then there exist open sets $A$ and $B$ such that $A, B$ are nonempty, have empty intersection and their union is all of $\bigcup_{i\in I}C_i$. Consider a connected set $C_j$ in this family. It contains the point $p$. Note that we can't have both $C_j \cap A \neq \emptyset$ and $C_j \cap B \neq \emptyset$ otherwise $C_j$ would be disconnected.
 
5:57 PM
@LeakyNun Puhh!!
 
So suppose WLOG that $C_j \subseteq A$. It follows that $p \in A$ and thus any other connected set $C_k$ in this family must be a subset of $A$ and have empty intersection with $B$, otherwise we get a contradiction by obtaining (in the same way as before) two open sets $C_k \cap A$ and $C_k \cap B$ which disconnect $C_k$. Thus we must have $\bigcup_{i \in I}C_i \subseteq A \implies \bigcup_{i \in I}C_i = A$ and so we get $B = \emptyset$ since $A$ and $B$ have empty intersection, a contradiction.
 
@LeakyNun Yeah good one!
 
@Rudi_Birnbaum you might also want to listen to the original version by Bach lol
 
6:15 PM
@LeakyNun I see! I guess that was in Latin though ...
 
no it's in German
 
@TedShifrin It means that for all $\epsilon>0$ there exists an $N\in\mathbb{N}$ such that $f_n(x)-f(x)<\epsilon$ for all $n\geq N$ and all $x\in\mathbb{S}$. I don't know what subset of $\mathbb{R}$ is though.
 
@LeakyNun I see, oh he was such a sunny mind
 
what is a sunny mind?
 
"Sonnenkind" lets say sunny nature
 
6:47 PM
Hi, I wonder if you know a book like Zakon's Analysis, but in French. If so, please ping me.
 
7:43 PM
differential equations question i'm running across
I've got a first-order ode of the form $x'(t) = v(x,t)$ with $v(x,t)=v(x,t+2\pi)=v(-x,\pi-t)$
hmm, looks like I may have missed a symmetry of $v(x,t)$
$v(x,t)=-v(x,-t)$, $v(x,\pi+t)=-v(x,\pi-t)=-v(-x,t)$
 
8:07 PM
anyways. I should think that's enough to guarantee that the solutions will be $2\pi$-periodic in time as well
what I'm trying to deduce is that there's a unique solution such that $x(t)=-x(\pi-t)$
 
Are there anybody here who study in a francophone university?
 
(Oh. If such a solution exists, then $x(\pi/2)=-x(\pi/2)=0$. So uniqueness is easy. The only question is therefore existence.)
 
8:23 PM
is every complete lattice compact?
1. a lattice is a partially ordered set
2. it is complete when arbitrary supremum and infimum exist
3. the topology is generated by sets of the form {x | a < x < b}
 
I don't think so
 
examples of complete lattice contain P(X) for any set X; the extended real numbers; [0,L] for ordinals L
@AlessandroCodenotti why not?
 
I really don't think so
 
Actually it is compact, but for silly reasons, caused by a bigger problem I think
 
"it" referring to?
 
8:32 PM
There is no open interval containing the greatest element, so its only nbhd is the whole set and it is compact
 
I see
 
But I'm not even sure that what you're defining is a proper topology on a poset
 
the topology is generated by sets of the form {x | a < x < b} and {x | a < x} and {x | x < b}
 
This is better, now you have proper nbhds of the least and greates element
the lattice of $\Bbb N$ ordered by divisibility, i.e. $a<b\iff a\mid b$ has some infinite discrete subsets though, like $\{p\}$ should be open for all primes $p$ since it is the interval $(1,p^2)$, this might be a problem for compactness
 
[0,ω] is full of discrete subsets
 
8:38 PM
But the complement of those singletons should be $\{1\}$, which is the same as the interval $[1,p)$ hence open and the union of the rays $(p,0]$
 
I think you forgot {0} which isn't open
 
It's included in all $(p,0]$
The open cover I have in mind is $\{1\}\cup\{p\}\cup\bigcup(p,0]$, where $p$ ranges over the primes
Basically the singletons containing the primes and the complement of $\bigcup \{p\}$ which I think is open
I'm not sure whether what I wrote is understandable or correct sorry, I'm juggling a few things at the same time
 
yeah I understood it
 
This has to be about the most horrid integral I've run into recently
 
I'm just wondering why it is a complete lattice to begin with
 
8:44 PM
For finite sets you have lcm and mcd
 
right
 
For infinite sets the lowest upper bound is always 0 (because it is the only upper bound)
 
fair enough
 
$F(x,a)=\int_0^x e^{2a \cosh(s/a)-2a\cosh(x/a)}2\cosh(s/a)\,ds$
 
While the biggest lower bound it is still their gcd, which will usually be 1 but might happen to be bigger
 
8:46 PM
alright
 
And I'm trying to deduce for which $(x,a)$ one has $F(x,a)=1$
Numerically, that's not so bad
Analytically, though, I probably have no hope :)
 
@AlessandroCodenotti where did you come across this complete lattice?
 
(I really only care about the behavior of $x$ in the nbhd of $a=0$ tho. so probably saddle-point shenanigans will suffice)
 
I don't remember, I read about lattices in some book and it was probably used as an example
 
@AlessandroCodenotti btw I'm shocked by the fact that ZFC |- (L |= CH)
we can remove the first C right
 
8:50 PM
I'm not sure
I don't know much about models of set theory, I carefully avoided learning about them since there are two whole courses on the topics offered
 
hi yall
how are you? :D
 
@KasmirKhaan hi
 
Any one has good lectures for commutative algebra?
 
@AlessandroCodenotti you mean you don't want to learn about them because you're gonna learn about them?
 
as good preparation ?
 
8:51 PM
@KasmirKhaan atiyah macdonald
 
before taking the course
the course called commutative algebra and algebraic geometry
intro course leaky :D
 
@KasmirKhaan theorem 1.1 is "there is a one-to-one correspondence between the ideals of A containing ideal a and the ideals A/a"
 
@LeakyNun Yeah, the courses don't assume much prior knowledge so I don't want to self study now stuff that I'm going to learn anyway
 
@AlessandroCodenotti that's interesting. I want to self study every year 2 course in the summer
but that's just me
 
8:52 PM
@KasmirKhaan why are you learning commutative algebra (year 4) and algebraic geometry (year 3) in year 2?
 
leaky is awesome at selfstudy
 
Well there are other courses I want to take and whose prerequisites I don't really have so I need to focus my summer study on those
 
hi @Ted
 
hmm i took abstract algebra recently
and that is a follow up course
@TedShifrin Ted :D
 
I'm talking about the two things you hate the most @TedShifrin
 
8:53 PM
Trump and linear algebra done without a single computation?
 
@OskarTegby If $|M_n|<\epsilon$ for all $n\ge N$, then doesn't it hold for all $x\in\Bbb R$? Suppose, instead, that $M_n = 1$ and $x_n = 1/n$. What happens then? Well, do we need more information?
 
smacks boar Alessandro
hi Kasmir, Leaky
 
I'll return home to the city tomorrow, there are no boars and good internet there but the temperature will be unbearable so I'm not convinced that's a good deal
 
I remember spending 8 days in Florence about 20 years ago when it was 110ºF every day.
 
8:56 PM
nice Ted ._.
did that happen to be renessance week ?
 
@Oskar: Here are a few to think about. What about $f_n(x)=e^{-nx^2}$ on $[-1,1]$? If yes, why? If no, on what domain will it be uniformly convergent?
 
I didn't even know 43°C was possible, we reach 40°C in the worst summers in Brescia, but it usually tops at 38°C. The real problem in Brescia is the humidity, it makes the heat suffocating
 
it is 53 in kuwait i heard
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I'm quite acquainted with humidity. Even where I live in CA now it is ridiculously humid — and it never used to be.
 
6 mins ago, by Leaky Nun
@KasmirKhaan theorem 1.1 is "there is a one-to-one correspondence between the ideals of A containing ideal a and the ideals A/a"
@KasmirKhaan how is this for you
 
8:58 PM
@LeakyNun what do you mean ?
 
is this too hard or too easy
 
i cant tell yet ._.
 
hmm
 
am not gonna take that course officlly btw
 
I mean, the ideals in A/a
 
8:59 PM
just be on class and try to learn
not taking exam on it
 
I think you weren't here when I did a poster on algebraic geometry
 
1 lecture a week i got on that course :D
 
man you missed a lot of stuff
 
Nope been away for a while
:(
 
well you're finally here :D
 
9:01 PM
Kasmir took break from math for summer time and now is back :D
yes yes :D
 
when did you leave this chat?
 
Very soon ill be asking questions full speed
like in 15 june
 
really
 
i came few times but did not talk, was no one i used to talk with there
 
@AlessandroCodenotti I mean, doesn't one just want to learn everything there is to learn
 
9:02 PM
exactly leaky
that is the spirit
 
Not really, there's a lot of stuff I'm fine with not knowing much about
 
leaky after abstract algebra it is natural to do commutative algebra and algebraic geo metry
 
I always have the belief that if you follow the official schedule, you won't have enough time
 
intro course
 
@KasmirKhaan no idea what "intro course" means
commutative algebra is commutative algebra is commutative algebra
 
9:03 PM
means first incounter
so we will go throu modules for first time
eg
 
modules
 
#Leakyisbeingmeantokasmir
that is what i feel now -.-
 
:(
 
What is a projective limit of finite dimensional lie group?
 
finiten't dimensional lien't groupn't
 
9:30 PM
So it has not to be a group at all?
 
this is a projective limit
 
vzn
in The h Bar, 18 hours ago, by vzn
there was some discussion of the poincare-perelman proof in here awhile back esp wrt the new yorker Nasar-Gruber article. fyi reddit recently revisited/ rehashed some of the same angles https://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/98i9j7/the_clash_over_the_poincar%C3%A9_c‌​onjecture_2006/
 
What does $\prod_{i\in I} A_i$ mean?
 
Cartesian product of all such groups $A_i$?
 
You mean it looks like $(a_0,a_1,....)$ with $a_0\in A_0$ etc. if $I=\mathbb N$
 
9:41 PM
right
 
So the projective limit gives me a tuple instead of one point?
How would I define a group operation on such tuple?
 
pointwise multiplication
 
looking at the text, it's the direct product not the Cartesian product
 
I am currently reading this
Is it compatible with the definition given here?
Ok stupid question:D It is, sorry
Thanks@ÍgjøgnumMeg @Semiclassical @LeakyNun
 
10:07 PM
In the passage of the first page, how does he know $G$ is isomorphic to $\lim_{N\in N(G)}G/N$
@ÍgjøgnumMeg @Semiclassical @LeakyNun
 
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