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09:00
Has he ever addressed you?
As in, directed a comment towards you?
And, on one occassion, I wrote an answer like five hours before and he wrote the same answer after a long time. I asked him if he found some details missing and he just downvoted without a comment.
@anon Yes. I told hime he should rise questions about the site in Meta and not in comments. He left a comment saying he did not understand that.
I told him, if he never understood that, it is unlikely he will ever understand it and therefore, should move on...
Well, he did say "Thanks" to you twice. (found via google search results)
If any comments were deleted I can't see them of course.
He has a peculiar habit of involving in an argument and deleting all the comments--leaving mine stand alone. I'll see if I can find an example.
I have received a slightly humorously incorrect answer to my latest question.
@anon The symmetric polynomials one?
09:08
The second one on them, yes.
The reason this annoys me is that if he doesn't delete it in a couple days or so, my accept rate will go down. I will be forced to downvote if it comes to that point.
Oh, True dat. :)
But, I cannot parse the question and answer well enough. So, I am unaware of the details.
@anon I found a cool thing I can add to that note.
I doubt the big formula in the middle is going to get me anywhere, it was just an interesting thing I figured out while doing it and felt like including. (It also has a double purpose. I find that symbolically intimidating questions garner an initial two or three upvotes for no reason other than pure awe - and this helps it gain attention.)
@Kanna: Oh?
The case ii of Cameron's theorem for $\lambda = 2$, one can prove that such a design cannot exist.
I do not recall where I put that pdf. Do you have a link again?
09:19
ah, of course
meh, I don't feel like reading it, but I'll stowe it away somewhere I remember
09:33
Probably I should be here for lesser time. Exam tommorrow. Later folks.
@Thanks for the upvote there. :)
 
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12:29
@robjohn You've asked about .
@robjohn And I say that I agree with the contents, Sir 8-).
12:43
Hi all of you.
@MattN A reminder for you: You own a CA room. :)
(And, Hi!)
@KannappanSampath You're right. Soon...
Soon...? You'll join us?
(Of course not much CA talk did happen too.)
@KannappanSampath Yes. Soon I'll be doing CA again.
12:48
Nice.
So, have you decided on your Thesis? (<--if I may ask it here.)
Sure you may. No, I have not really. But if I wait for much longer it'll decide on its own : ) (i.e. I'll have to stick to it.)
-> problem solved.
But, that might not be the most elegant way to solve it, though
That's right.
13:16
Good day! Help me please, if X - is locally compact, is it true that the standard topology at C(X) it is the topology of uniform convergence at each compact in X?
13:29
@JonasTeuwen Thanks for looking :-)
Wow!I never imagined theoreticalphysics.stackexchange getting shut!
is it allowed to talk anything other than maths here?
13:44
Sure, you can! @SabyasachiMukherjee
Hi @Didier. May I remind you that I had asked you for a reference to the result you mentioned in the post about getting 6 different sets from closure and interior operations alone. I'd love a reference. Regards,
14:02
@KannappanSampath hi
Have you seen this:
Nice application of localisation
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A: A subring of the field of fractions of a PID is a PID as well.

Benjamin LimHere are my preliminary thoughts on the problem. This is not a full solution but perhaps it may lead to one. I think you can suppose without loss of generality that $A \subsetneqq R \subsetneqq \operatorname{Frac}(A)$. Now we have the inclusion map $\iota\:A \rightarrow R$. Therefore I think it ...

I have not seen that as yet.
Now I am seeing it. But, I am afraid I'll not find time to read it now. But, sure later, I'll read OK?
@KannappanSampath It is an interesting property of localisation
Oh, I see. I have not got to chapter 3 at all!
14:07
ah ok
With Analysis exam, I am trying to figure out a proof in integration now! Not my cup of tea. So, I have to learn carefully.
ok
you should concentrate on analysis!
@KannappanSampath You should concentrate on analysis!!
15:00
Anyone here?
@BenjaminLim I agree.
oh.sorry, if i interrupted a conversation.
15:14
Hi, convex hull of closed set must be closed?
Also can anyone please tell what's the diff btw concrete math and discrete maths ?
One is the title of a Knuth book, and one is the subject of said book. :p
@ZhenLin so both are same , right?
You are there/here ?
They're just words. Does it matter if they're the same or not? shrug
@ZhenLin Holy ... , What I meant was Are they really diff. categories of maths or not?
Avada Kedavra!!!!
15:28
I don't know, what are your criteria for two "categories of maths" to be "really different"?
Your question is too vague to be answerable.
 
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16:55
can anyone suggest a beginner's book for propositional calculus,came across 2 of them on amazon and they seem pretty philosophical.Is there one which is purely logic oriented?
17:05
@Sunny: What do you mean "pure logic"? Some people think "pure logic" is the realm of philosophy.
@ZhenLin By 'logic',i meant truth based functional logic(true or false).In actuality,i never read a book on propositional calculus,just learnt some techniques during real analysis,but would like to see how a whole book feels sans philosophy.
Propositional calculus for the purposes of logic is not very interesting. But there's much to say about boolean algebra.
 
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0.999... hour later... :D
is there any easy way to get the anti derivative of $\pi*(1+secx)^2$?
Teddy?
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Actually, this might be a stupid question. Never mind.
19:36
I asked it anyway, on main (risking asking a stupid question : )).
(after double-checking with Jonas that it's not stupid : ))
Hi, anybody could answer my question: math.stackexchange.com/questions/138264/…
probably not
@Jordan - How do you know?
your question is missing a verb
@Jordan - Which verb?
19:46
probably the verb is
20:33
@MattN you want to assume a few more conditions at least: local convexity is certainly necessary and you should maybe clarify what kinds of characterizations would be acceptable... Most of them will be rather tautological, I'd say, for example: the map $X \to \mathbb{R}^{X'}$ is a topological embedding. Or it's the weakest topology compatible with the dual pairing $(X,X')$, or: it is the $\mathfrak{S}$-topology induced by the bounded subsets contained in finite-dimensional subspaces of $X'$.
Sure, it sounds like jargon, but I feel worried that I can't tell it's nonsense...
@ZhenLin Looks like a text by the Postmodernism Generator...
This theorem generator is rather less sophisticated, by comparison.
@ZhenLin Sure you can: Parseval’s Identity testing is homomorphic to [whatever] is clearly nonsense.
20:48
Oh, hi Brian... Long time, no see!
@tb Two weeks ago a former girlfriend suddenly became a widow at the age of 34 under exceptionally unpleasant circumstances, and I went out to stay with her for a while. Limited time, and less convenient Internet access than usual.
Is it really so nonsensical to talk about two problems being homomorphic? I mean, my basis for believing that the thing was nonsense was simply the implausibility of connecting algebraic geometry to complexity theory.
@ZhenLin Taken together with the rest of it, yes.
@BrianMScott I'm sorry to hear that. My condolences.
@tb Thanks.
21:02
Is this a duplicate of this one? I think so, but I'm not sure.
@tb There’s enough extra clutter in the older question that I see no real harm in keeping this one.
@BrianMScott That's what I figured, too. Your answer is also much more to the point than the one in the duplicate.
21:27
@BrianMScott I thought you might like the lemma I use in this answer. It's a little gem that isn't that well-known (there was some advertising of it about ten years ago). It gives the standard consequences of Baire's theorem in basic functional analysis essentially for free. I know that I don't exactly address the question asked, but still, I thought it doesn't miss it entirely either.
@tb Interesting! I’d never even heard of it, let alone seen it.
22:01
hello
is anyone familiar with the set of subsets concept?
@JohnSmith Sure; what’s your question?
I have a set of increasing integers (such as the Fibonacci sequence) and I am trying to figure out a way to derive the number of subsets where the sum is greater than arbitrary k
i've found a lot of information about things summing to *exactly k, but not greater than
Ah, I saw that question. The problem is that it’s far too open-ended: unless the structure of the sequence is known pretty exactly, you simply won’t get a formula. The best you can hope for in general is a reasonably efficient computer algorithm to count them.
ah i'd imagine so, it's a new PE question
the structure of the sequence is exactly known
what makes it interesting is that we know something about the sequence and therefore i feel like there should be some closed-form approach
but no real idea where to begin
What exactly do you know about the sequence?
22:12
it's a lagged fibonacci
Meaning?
of form -1 -3
(standard fib. being -1 -2)
1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 13, 19, 28, 41
You mean that it’s defined by the recurrence $a_n=a_{n-1}+a_{n-3}$ with suitable initial values?
yes
when i read about this problem a lot of it seems to revolve around splitting the list in half
but i am not sure
I’d have to think about that; it’s a non-trivial problem. If it helps, it is possible to write down a closed form for $a_n$, though it involves solving a cubic equation.
22:17
Can anyone explain to me Andre's second part to his answer? math.stackexchange.com/questions/138547/volume-of-a-solid/…
I do not understand how he is getting the inner circle
Is anyone here familiar with Kummer Theory, specifically Kummer Generators?
G.f.: 1/(1-x-x^3) and a(n) = floor( d*c^n + 1/2) where c is the real root of x^3-x^2-1 and d is the real root of 31*x^3-31*x^2+9*x-1 ( c=1.465571231876768... and d= 0.611491991950812...)
@Jordan I’ll take a look as soon as your diagram downloads. (I’m on a slow connection.)
Oh, okay, I see now. When you draw a horizontal slice through the shaded region at height $y$, its left end is at $x=y^{1/3}$, and its right end is at $x=1$. When you revolve that slice around the line $x=2$, you get a washer, as shown in the lower picture. The outer edge of the washer is traced out by the left end of the slice; which is $2-y^{1/3}$ units away from the line $x=2$.
(That’s because the distance from $y^{1/3}$ to $2$ is large minus small, which in this case is $2-y^{1/3}$.)
The washer has a hole in it. The inner edge of the washer is traced out by the right end of the slice. That point is $2-1=1$ unit from the line $x=2$. That’s the so-called inner radius of the washer.
If we were to fill in the hole, the washer would be a disk of radius $2-y^{1/3}$, so its area would be $\pi(2-y^{1/3})^2$.
I just can't really picture these shapes
If you look down on a washer, what do you see? A disk with a circular hole cut out of the exact centre, right?
If you look down at the shaded ring in the lower picture from your text, that’s what you see, though in that case the hole is a very large fraction of the washer.
Taking up where I left off, the hole in our washer is also disk-shaped, and it has a nice constant radius of $1$, so its area is $\pi\cdot 1^2=\pi$.
To get the actual area of the washer, not including the hole, I simply subtract: the area is $\pi(2-y^{1/3})^2-\pi$.
22:33
why
Why what?
Why is that the area
I started with the area of the filled-in washer that had no hole and subtracted the area of the hole; what’s left is the area of the ‘holey’ washer.
(so you're not sure about the subset thing?)
@JohnSmith That looks like a fairly long-term project. With the additional information it’s clearly attackable, but I don’t expect it to be easy.
@Jordan: Once you’re okay with the area of the washer, the next step is to take into account its thickness. That’s a tiny bit in the $y$ direction, so it’s $dy$, and the volume of the washer, which I’ll call $dV$, is $$dV=\Big(\pi(2-y^{1/3})-\pi\Big)dy\;,$$ which of course can be simplified quite a bit.
To get the total volume, you ‘add up’ all of these $dV$’s, from a low $y$ value of $0$ to a high of $1$: $$V=\int_0^1\Big(\pi(2-y^{1/3})-\pi\Big)dy\;.$$
That’s exactly what André has in his second answer, except that he’s already factored out the $\pi$.
22:40
where does -pi come from?
When one says that a manifold $M$ has "two distinct orientations", does that mean that it may be equipped with two distinct orientations? For instance, I thought that a connected manifold could only have one consistent orientation, since otherwise we could express the $M$ as the union of the open sets in the obvious way. Can anyone clear up my confusion?
@Jordan Subtracting the area of the hole, since it doesn’t contribute to the final volume. Remember, the radius of the hole is $2-1=1$, so its area is $\pi\cdot 1^2=\pi$.
I keep forgetting all the shape formulas
@Jordan Well, here you really need only two. You need the area of a circle, and you need to know that when you fatten up a shape of area $A$ by giving it a thickness $t$, the resulting solid has volume $At$.
I dont need the volume formula though, I just use the integral of the area right?
22:47
You don’t need the volume formula, but it explains why you’re integrating $\text{area}\cdot dy$: $\text{area}\cdot dy$ is the volume of a really skinny fattened-up slice, and the integral effectively adds up those volumes.
23:02
this is really hard to visualize
I have two curves that make up the edge of the circle
No, you have two circles, one centred inside the other, like the bullseye of a target.
I mean the next problem
the circle is made up of two lines that intercept so to find the area I think I have to make 2 integrals
Sounds likely, though without seeing it I can’t be sure.
if I just change y = x I can solve for x instead right?
I need more context; what’s the actual problem?
23:09
hey
some ridiculousness, x = y^2, x= 1-y^2
cant I just make that y=x^2?
If you change every $x$ to $y$ and every $y$ to $x$ throughout the problem. The second boundary curve then becomes $y=1-x^2$.
But experience suggests that in the long run you’ll make fewer careless errors if you practice not making this change and learn to work with functions running either way. (Besides, later in the course you’ll run into problems in which you can’t easily do this sort of interchange.)
ok
I am just having an extremely hard time finding an intercept for this function, which makes me think that I don't need one
because it is something like .437-.450
To find the points where the curves intersect, just set $y^2=1-y^2$; then $2y^2=1$, $y^2=\frac12$, and $y=\pm\frac1{\sqrt2}$.
The region looks a bit like an egg lying on its side.
I got sort of a diamond
so I think I need 4 integrals?
one for the part above the x axis that is half of the curve, then the other half, and then two more for under the x axis
23:19
What axis are you revolving this region around?
x = 3
Something's wrong here, isn't it?
@Jordan You can do that with one integral, of the form $$\int_{-1/\sqrt2}^{1/\sqrt2}\text{ something }dy\;.$$
oh because y values
so this problem required me to find those odd intercepts
23:23
so I will have $$\int_{-.707}^{.707} \pi y^4 -?$$
actually it would be much easier to find y^2 and then just subtract 1-y^2 wouldn it?
You should keep the exact limits until the end. At that point you can replace the final exact answer with a decimal approximation if the problem or the instructor calls for one. As for the integrand, you’re going to get washer’s again.
The outer radius of the washer at height $y$ is the distance from $x=y^2$ to the axis $x=3$, which is $3-y^2$. The inner radius (i.e., the radius of the hole) is the distance from $x=1-y^2$ to the axis, which is $3-(1-y^2)=2+y^2$.
How did I know which was which? The $x=y^2$ curve is further away from the axis $x=3$ than the $x=1-y^2$ curve, so it marks the outer edge of the disk.
I don;t get it
@tb So much has been going on that I never even got to that one!
why don't I just find the volume without the hole, and then subtract the hole?
You could, but you’d be doing exactly the same work. Let me show you.
If you do it all at once, the area of the washer at height $y$ is $$dA=\pi(3-y^2)^2-\pi(2+y^2)^2\;.$$ Its thickness is $dy$, so its volume is $$dV=\pi\Big((3-y^2)^2-(2+y^2)^2\Big)dy\;.$$ Here I’ve factored out the $\pi$.
23:31
@BrianMScott My suspicion was confirmed... Sorry for interrupting your explanations.
@tb Yes, I saw that when I finally had a chance to look.
@Jordan: The volume is then $$\pi\int_{-1\sqrt2}^{1/\sqrt2}\Big((3-y^2)^2-(2+y^2)^2\Big)dy\;.$$
leo
leo
is there some TikZ adept?
Now suppose that you do it in two pieces. The volume including the hole is $$\pi\int_{-1/\sqrt2}^{1/\sqrt2}(3-y^2)^2\dy\;,$$ and the volume of the hole is $$\pi\int_{-1/\sqrt2}^{1/\sqrt2}(2+y^2)^2\dy\;.$$ When you compute the first of these and then subtract the second, you’re doing exactly what you would have done with the single integral above.
i know some tikZ
only the basics, probably
23:36
why does it turn into 2+y^2 and now -?
@leo what do you mean define a new function? i use TikZ to make commutative diagrams. that's all i really know how to do
@Jordan I explained the $2+y^2$ here. It’s subtracted because it’s the area of the hole in the washer, the part of the disk that isn’t there and therefore generates no volume.
why would you ever need to define a function in tikz ?
Oh I messed up simple math
but now I need to split these up so I can find the anti derivatives by subsititution
@Jordan Just multiply everything out: you get a polynomial in $y$, which you can integrate without any substitutions.
leo
leo
23:43
@EricGregor I see. PGF comes with a math engine that can do many things. In particular comes equipped with some math function like sin, cos, exp, logarithms, ceill, floor, and so on. Also it is allowed to multiply, divide, and compose all this functions, so that, for example, we can plot 2d functions easily. What I need is to define a new function to avoid put a ugly-very long expression everywhere when I need it
@leo what is PGF?
if you are writing a latex file you can easily make new definitions
for whatever expression you like
leo
leo
@EricGregor PGF is the "behind the scenes" of TikZ. TikZ is an interface to PGF
\begin{tikzpicture}
\pgfset{declare function={f(\x)=3*exp(-(\x))*(\x)^3+1;}}
\begin{axis}[
domain=0:8.1,
samples=100,
axis lines=middle
]
\addplot [ultra thick] {f(x)};
end{tikzpicture}
leo
leo
@N3buchadnezzar nice!
Although I would recommend learning pgf along with gnu plots.
Sorry for killing the chat.
leo
leo
23:48
I want to have very good skills with PGF. There is a lot of very nice things that we can do with that
awesome I think I got about the same answer as that book
@leo Try to read some of the questions I have asked on the LateX site. I am very so a beginner myself.
@Jordan :-)
leo
leo
@N3buchadnezzar you are using pgfplots. Define a function is a feature of only TikZ or of pgfplots?
You need to use \usepackage{pgfplots} yes.
leo
leo
23:51
@N3buchadnezzar I try so, however I have not so much time for that. I prefer learn math first
@N3buchadnezzar thanks
I force myself to do both. I do all my hand-ins in LaTeX. If my work requires images I am most likely to make them in pgfplots or using tkz/tkz euclide.
leo
leo
how do you do a vector of integers in TikZ?
leo
leo
@N3buchadnezzar nice
23:55
wow, this is pretty powerful
@leo Sorry for the spamming, the last one might be a tad hard to see. It is best to open it on a white background. My question is Leo, which of these have been created in Geogebra, and which have been made using tikz?
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