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15:00
I'm on wiki looking at this \nabla_v(f) thing
thinking wtf is that
@GFauxPas Hint: you can fit a cube inside a ball
true, and vice versa. hm, let me think
@EricSilva Andre responded
I mean, either way, $\{\text{open balls}\}$ or $\{\text{open cubes}\}$ are a topological basis
if you know that you're done
literally by the definition of basis
15:02
Take a curve $\gamma$ whose derivative is your tangent vector and look at $\frac{d}{dt}f\circ\gamma(t)|_{t=0}$
gtg
but that doesn't show that the union must be infinite
@BalarkaSen help these poor souls
does it?
@GFauxPas that's trivial, just add cubes to make it so...
15:03
why am i getting all the pings
I'ma hit that math stack exchange question I guess
Engage
@BalarkaSen did you see my diffeo doubt?
no i didnt
what was it
15:06
wait no, its not a basis, because if the cubes are non-overlapping their intersections are either a collectionof line segements or empty
aaannd these cubes aren't open
in The h Bar, 16 hours ago, by 0celo7
@BalarkaSen Suppose I have a smooth function $f$ on a compact Riemannian manifold $M$. Can I find a smooth diffeomorphism $\phi$ of $M$ such that $f\circ\phi$ is close to $\inf f$ for a set of arbitrarily small comeasure?
so, not good enough ;__;
@BalarkaSen and the ones after that
Looking
@GFauxPas I guarantee open cubes are a basis.
15:08
yes but the question asks for closed cubes
Well obviously those aren't a basis
:P
right that's why i backpedaled lol
But my comment still holds
You can fit these cubes inside of open balls
that all cubes are inside open balls
right
So cover your set by open balls, and then?
15:10
i feel like this is getting me an interseciton of cubes, not a union
Give $M$ a cell decomposition $M = e^n \cup M^{n-1}$ where $e^n$ is the top cell and $M^{n-1} \subset M$ is the codimension 1 skeleton. $M^{n-1}$ should be measure zero inside $M$. Given any ball $B$ around $p \in e^n$, you should be able to find a sequence of diffeomorphisms $f_k : M \to M$ such that "$f_k(B) \to e^n$"
Would that be what you want?
It sounds doable
Did you not understand my cut locus thing
I didn't see any mention of cut locus. But I see it's on the next page of the transcript.
@BalarkaSen I think using the cut locus gives a systematic way for constructing the diffeos
by pushing the ball along geodesics
15:13
I think you're probably right
but I think the cut locus can be badly nonsmooth
That should be the correct approach
making it tricky
okay but i dont see where we need that the cover is specifically countably infinite
hint, R^n is second countable
15:16
I think it can be done without too much Riemannian geometry though. Define a vector field on $e^n$ with source at $p$, radially extending out but compactly supported on a ball $B_k \subset e^n$ of radius $1 - 1/k$ (I am identifying $e^n$ with the unit open disk).
This in turn gives a vector field on $M$ (just set it to be zero on the rest)
Flow along this.
Your small ball at $p$ expands to $B_k$
How does one obtain this decomposition without RG
Morse bruh
hmm okay thanks 0ce :)
@BalarkaSen Well no matter because that's what cut locus gives and this is Riemannian geometry question
$M\setminus$ cut locus is a ball
Aha
So are these approach equivalent? Is the cut locus the codimension 1 skeleton?
I guess so
15:18
Not sure
@0celo7 what did he say
@EricSilva idk, my prof just texted me that he wrote back and she asked me what year I am (presumably he asked her)
@BalarkaSen you should read this and the following messages chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/36?m=42845262#42845262
Can somebody tell me the big O notation to these solutions?

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/48808866/properly-sort-equal-items-in-collection/48809362?noredirect=1#comment84624337_48809362
15:21
@0celo7 is this real
@BalarkaSen it is.
fuckin hell
Bott periodicity at it's finest
Basically my example is just a loop of N elements, should be o(n), but his? He has multiple loops, so O(3n)?
@BalarkaSen tfw Bott periodicity is actually a statement about traffic flow
@BalarkaSen Morwen (the guy you asked me about once) told me that
15:22
@0celo7 ah the knot theorist?
mhm
@BalarkaSen I'm almost done with one of the Kazdan-Warner theorems. I just have to write down this ball argument...they didn't actually explain how to do it at all in the original paper
instead they refer to an older paper for "details" but it actually has zero details
and the "modern" proof of that result completely avoids this argument
i gave the topologist's unapologetic argument :)
@EricSilva oh, Zhu "Lectures on Mean Curvature Flows"
u wanna send me your write up for those theorems
will add it to my growing folder on mcf
dont you love that there's a journal called jams
@BalarkaSen it's gonna be in the thesis.
oh brian white where have i heard that name
he's very famous
he has a birthday conference every year
oh my god the time
byee
15:30
ive probably heard him name dropped by André then
tchau
@BalarkaSen the idea of the proof is quite nice if you understand Sobolev spaces
it's been half a day since I got a noob level intro to Sobolev spaces
okay so I fill my open set with ball bearings, each of which is, WLOG, the largest open ball the fits entirely in each closed non-overlapping cubes. These ball bearings need not be uncountable because $\mathbb R^n$ is completely seperable. But they can't be finite because ...
@BalarkaSen i <3 that stuff so much
because I'm trying to make an open set out of a union of closed sets :|
i need to formalize that
15:38
@BalarkaSen Just know that $W^{2,p}\hookrightarrow C^1$ is continuous when $p>n$
p indicates the L^p norm? i.e., my norm is $(\int |u|^p + |u'|^p + |u''|^p)^{1/p}$?
oh wait,easier to visualize if I take the smallest open ball that completely contains each rectangle
can I just say that any finite union of closed sets is closed so therefore it has to be at least countably infinite?
yeah that should work ^^
thanks 0ce
I think it's pretty cool that $W^{1,p} \hookrightarrow L^p$ is compact (I think when $p<\infty$, not quite sure about $p=1$)
I got the idea of thinking of the open sets as ball bearings from Munkres
the visualization is helpful
@MatheinBoulomenos the amazing thing is that it's compact into $L^{q}$, for $q<np/(n-p)$ if $p<n$
15:48
the compactness theorem is actually magical
but not when $q=np/(n-p)$, cf. my thesis for the proof
the corollary for $W^{s, 2}$s is particularly nice i think
special case i guess not corollary
Is this compactness stuff useful for PDE? Seems like it, but I'm pretty ignorant about PDE
lolyes
Okay I guess that was a stupid question
15:54
it's the only reason one would care about it :P
sobolev theory really exists for pde to begin with
the amazing thing is that there are nonlinear PDE papers before Sobolev
There was Schauder, but still
de giorgi proved his regularity while ignorant of sobolev lol
Pre-Sobolev nonlinear hyperbolic PDE must have been shit
but it was a thing
i should learn a thing abt hyperbolic pde at some point
16:00
unless you're into GR it's probably not interesting
actually it's in Hormander so probably useful for symplectic stuff? idk
jury's still out on that
@0celo7 so i probably wont be doing a geometry project this summer
there are two offered projects in the reu im probably doing and one is conservation laws for pde and the other is SDE stuff
(well there's a project with André but i think he's just gonna do the same thing as last year which wouldnt work for me)
@EricSilva it better not be algebra
it's an analysis reu my dawg
Wait are the level three folk just doing the same thing as the level two folk?
idk if there is gonna be a level 3
i got an email w all the "level 2" people
16:04
It could be OA
So, someone looked through and you were the only one from your year in that email, I think
So maybe there was a mistake
maybe i should email souganidis
Maybe, double check what I said just to be sure, and if so ask one of the other people in your year doing it to see what email they had
try not to get 50 psets as reply to the email
@BalarkaSen too late
@Daminark there's definitely no other people from my cohort in the email
16:07
get 50 pseted
double dabs
"Excuse me, I think I might have been sent the wrong email"
"Please do all the problems in Evans' PDE"
but idk how many other people in my year are doing it
lmao jokes on him i love that book
I mean we loved Rudin but doing every question might've been... nah actually if we just had to do every Rudin problem that would've way better than Sally tbh
Do every problem in GT you wuss
Read all of Federer in a week
16:09
@0celo7 i would like to do a big chunk of them at some point
i used it for a course in fall and liked it but thought it was hard to read
@EricSilva If i Show up we’re doing every problem in Wald, every problem in GT, and combining Federer, Maggi, Simon, and CM into one.
o shit
There are some unsolved problems in Wald
classique
Also every problem in Ziemer
Every problem in Reed and Simon
16:11
unfamiliar with ziemer
Basically you’d better hope I don’t show up
Logan Paul is casting albino people for his upcoming vlog
@EricSilva weakly diffble fcns
The stuff on BV and sets of finite perimeter is useful to me
16:12
I am genuinely curious how far he's going to destroy his reputation
oh my god
im in e&m lecture rn and my prof was saying something about currents and for like a solid minute i thought we were doing gmt
Also every giaquinta book
All 8 of them or so
Gonnabe busy
@Eric lol
@EricSilva this is confusing in the GR literature because both currents show up
l m a o
ok but actually my summer side hustles are probably gonna be reading wald and doing some EDS stuff
16:15
Electrodynamic stability?
no exterior differential systems
i been tryna learn it
Are people still doing that?
robert bryant and his chilluns
You should be learning MCF
It’s the hottest thing
that is maybe gonna be next quarter
since im gettin that sweet sweet governmonies
lol @Daminark "you are the only one of your group who expressed interest. For us this is not a problem since any of the three of the faculty can give you more advanced material."
from sougyboi
16:19
Wait literally no one else from your year is doing it?
i guess not
i guess im the only one who couldnt resist the lure of cold hard cash
Ok so if I come I won’t be restricted either @EricSilva?
I haven’t talked to Theodora about what Andre actually told her
ya i imagine it would apply equally to any more advanced person who ends up doing it
so I guess i gotta choose between conservation laws and SDE
I’m confused. Why can’t Andre give you something?
Of course SDE so you can go to Wall Street and become Simons Jr.
he could, but i also need a third letter writer lol
16:25
Ah.
plus im gonna be spending years on geom analysis once i graduate so if there's any time to explore different stuff i guess it's now
There’s so much in geometric analysis to explore
You'll have time to learn new things in grad school
Just less than you'd lkkd
NO! I REFUSE TO LEARN ANYTHING NEW EVER!
@Daminark Exercise in Lang "Take any book on homological algebra, and prove all the theorems without looking at the proofs given in that book."
16:31
@MatheinBoulomenos hey that’s like reading Federer...
"Read the proofs of Federer but you cannot turn to earlier pages in the book"
oh dear god
Lang's exercise is one of my favorites
I'm never going to do it, but I like it
Visser has a problem to quantize gravity
I’d like to do it one day
Is it Apostol's book on complex analysis that basically gives the Riemann hypothesis as an exercise?
16:34
@Daminark im like so surprised that no one else is doing it tbh
I know that there is some fairly well regarded text that does this...
my year has a lot of kids who really like analysis of PDE
Yeah it's strange
Knuth rates the problems in "The Art of Computer Programming" on a difficulty scale from 1 to 50. In the earlier editions, Fermat's last theorem was given as a 50 exercise . After Wiles found a proof, Knuth demoted it to a 45 problem.
16:43
Amazing
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17:25
Is there any specific term for functions where `f(x % N, y % N) = f(x, y) % N` ?

% = modulus operator, sorry I'm from a CS background.
17:49
Can anyone explain to be me, in category theory, why are functors even part of the definition of the natural transformation?
@SampritiPanda Doesn't addition modulus $N$ answer your question? $(x \mod N + y \mod N) \mod N = (x + y) \mod N$ right?
Yeah it does, but I'm asking if there is some generic term for functions like that?
Multiplication, xor would also work for example.
Ah sorry I misread your question
@SampritiPanda As with addition, i think its usually just referred to as $f \mod N$
But there may be something more specific. I'm not an expert by any means.
18:07
Hi @Ted
Hi Mathein
How are you doing?
Doing OK, thanks, and you? A few exams done?
All of my exams are done. I'm going to retake complex analysis and numerical analysis (only the exams, not the courses, I could've passed them, but not with grades I'd like), I've got an A in algebraic number theory and I'm still waiting for the grades in elementary number theory, but I guess it's either an A or A-, because I've got one silly mistake and the rest of the exam was really straightforward
So I'm doing fine, thanks :)
I'm currently wondering what I should do in the semester break (or more precisely, which books I should read)
Dumb question: if an operator A commutes with both B and C, must B and C commute?
18:13
Consider A the identity
@MatheinBoulomenos Congrats :) Currently reading Cox "Primes of the form $x^2 + ny^2$" for a classical intro to class field theory, which might interest you if you're starting hilbert class fields next?
@Twink @Secret @abcd: I don't know if you all figured it out, but you need to use power of a point. If you take a point $P$ outside a circle and draw a segment from it tangent to the circle at $T$ and a segment from it that gives a diameter $AB$, then $(PT)^2 = (PA)(PB)$.
I figured it shouldn’t imply that but wanted to make sure
That's the second time mumbling identity is appropriate, @Semiclassic, in two days :P
18:17
Sigh
@ÍgjøgnumMeg thanks! I already have that book in my shelf and I've read parts of it. The course on class field theory will focus more on the proofs than the applications, but Cox' book is a great motivation for sure
@MatheinBoulomenos Fair! I'm reading it for the motivation atm, most other treatments I've seen use a lot of local theory etc. that I'm not familiar with so the classical approach is nice. I also have some notes from Franz Lemmermeyer with the same classical approach, but none of the theorems have proofs, which I find strange.
@ÍgjøgnumMeg I think the only proofs which don't use any local theory use a lot of complex analysis. (These analytical proofs are for example in Janusz "Algebraic Number Fields" and Langs "Algebraic Number Theory")
But I've heard that no matter which approach you take, the proofs are really hard
@MatheinBoulomenos I've heard this too :( I'm a lot more familiar with complex analysis than I am with any local theory so this approach is fine for what I need
I'm actually taking two different courses on class field theory next semester. The main lecture on algebraic number theory will do local first and then use local CFT to prove global CFT, we will use group cohomology as the main tool in the proofs. The other course is a seminar on Lubin-Tate theory which is a purely local theory based on formal groups, but it's a lot more explicit than the abstract proofs (so you can actually compute the equations that define the class fields)
18:27
hello everyone
Oh I think Childress "Class Field Theory" has the global analytical proofs, too
But you should learn local theory at some point, it's really cool
hi @Shobhit
That's cool :) I'm just self-teaching global cft as an "additional exercise" for my dissertation, I don't think it should be too heavy, just to establish an isomorphism between the galois group of the hilbert class field and the ideal class group, which I think can be done without anything too "dark" lol
Hi @Ted
Greeting @Balarka
18:28
Definitely, but I'm leaving it until my masters for now, I don't know any topology and I don't know if I have the time to learn any since my dissertation needs to be finished by april 16th
The weirdness I’m running into is that, at the level of the a matrix representation, I seem to have two operators commuting. But at the level of the operator algebra I don’t
That makes no sense, @Semiclassic.
You be making mistake.
Thus, confusion
@TedShifrin do you know of any book that can help with things like how to write negations? i was stuck on a question all day, and the thing was i thought of its negation wrong.
@Shobhit: This is basic intro to higher math stuff. My favorite book, which I've recommended numerous times on MSE, is Houston's How to Think Like a Mathematician.
18:31
If I work in the basis I think is appropriate, I find that a certain operator is conjugate to itself under an appropriate transformation. But if I work at the level of the operators as I understand them, no such conjugacy seems to occur
@Semiclassic: What do you mean by conjugate to itself?
$H=AHA^{-1}$
Which of course just means A and H commute
OK, so this is just saying that when you change basis by $A$ you get the same matrix representation.
@ÍgjøgnumMeg do you know roughly what metric spaces and normed vector spaces are? You don't really need topology for local fields, sure authors will use words like "topological fields", but all the topologies under consideration are induced by metrics
18:33
But that property shouldn’t depend on how I chose my basis
@TedShifrin thank you.
Hi DogAteMy
And yet when I try to verify that without going to such a basis, I come up short
Hence, I am confused
18:35
@MatheinBoulomenos Yeah I do roughly, most of my mathematics is quite patchy because everything is self-taught, so often I need to retrace my steps to learn some theory before I continue!
@Semiclassic: If you're thinking of matrices, you're already choosing a "ground" basis in terms of which you represent the operators. That formula says that if you change basis by $A$ you get the same matrix representation. If you think of $A$ as an operator (rather than as a change of basis), it's still in that same basis.
Well, you're wrong one of the two times.
Hi, demonic @Alessandro. How was the driving lesson?
Yeah, I guess so
Pretty good, I think I'll take the driving exam again some time soon
Oh dear. No more visits to Italy for me.
Well, I have to pass it first :P
18:36
But I can’t see where it would be going wrong and I naturally don’t know which one is right
How do you check, working with operators, that they don't commute, @Semiclassic?
@MatheinBoulomenos When you say induced by metrics, do you mean that all of this comes out of valuations on fields? I've read a little bit about valuations and this seems to be what leads to defining local fields
I'm almost done with my exams for this session, I just have commutative algebra now. I'm also thinking about masters programs for the next year now
Wow, @Alessandro ... it seems like just yesterday you hadn't even started ...
Out of curiosity, @Ted, why is everyone saying hi to you? haha are you famous?
18:39
Time flies when one has fun, like when one does maths
Or when one flees in fear of being run over, @Alessandro.
@ÍgjøgnumMeg yes, a valuation gives you a metric and a metric gives you a topology. But not every topology comes from a metric and not every metric comes from a valuation. But it's not really important to pass to the lower levels, all the properties will be mostly checked using valuations
@WilliamOliver: I've spent a lot of time around MSE the last 4-5 years or so. But, slightly (in)famous, I suppose.
@TedShifrin by manipulation and inspection in this case; it’s not too complicated but it’s too tedious to type out on my phone
I don't understand, @Semiclassic. Do you have a particular vector $v$ so that $(ST)(v)\ne (TS)(v)$?
18:41
@TedShifrin Nice :)
@MatheinBoulomenos That's cool, perhaps I will take a look at this in the summer between my bachelor and master degrees as preparation lol, I still need to get my Reifezeugnis sent to me before I can apply for masters in Germany though -.-
Well, a typicsl vector in this case is a vector function $\Phi:\mathbb{R}\to\mathbb{C}^2$ with $\Phi(\theta+2\pi)=-\Phi(\theta)$
Given a square integer symmetric matrix A, is there an easy way to get mathematica to tell me what \Bbb Z^n/A(\Bbb Z^n) is up to isomorphism
?
Don't you basically want Smith normal form for $A$, @PVAL?
So the operators in this case are either differential operators with matrix coefficients or stuff like translation/reflections
18:47
@Semiclassic: I'm just saying that I don't see how you show failure to commute without exhibiting a particular instance.
Right
Back later
@ted yeah that seems to work thanks
Sure thing.
Wow, a user just deleted a question after I answered it and explained more details in the comments
That feels quite rude, idk
Homework problem probably
18:49
How long is left in your AoPS course prof @TedShifrin?
@ÍgjøgnumMeg hmm, not sure, the question seemed more like he was wondering this on his own
Lol, I have an option to undelete my answer on the deleted question. I wonder what happens when I try that?
I have no idea why he deleted the question
19:15
@Mike I sent you an email which should help.
The method I used definitely goes to hell for large numbers.
@Ted Smith normal form seems to be hard for bigger matrices
my comp started choking in the 1k by 1k range
maybe everythings hard in that range though.
@Shobhit There was some commentary in the comments
@AkivaWeinberger yes i read it, and searched some stuff online. I think i understand it, not all maybe, i'll give it another go sometime after.
@TedShifrin turns out you were answering all of my questions in the following lecture.. (day 25)
also, a very nice answer @AkivaWeinberger
@TedShifrin My groups are typically rank 20-50 and my matrices are in the 200 by 200 to the 600 by 600 range, so there's proably a much easier way of doing what I did.
19:29
Thanks
matrix of 600x600 :O
@JoeShmo that's the trade mark of a good teacher :-)
@shobhit 24^2 is the rank of H_2 of \{(x,y,z) \in \Bbb C^3| x^2+y^25+z^25= \epsilon \} if you are curious where this number is coming from. The matrix is the intersection form.
@PVAL-inactive i dont what you are saying, but it sounds interesting. (story of my mathematics life).
19:52
ask not what mathematics can do for your life...
haha @skullpatrol
20:16
@PVAL-inactive sparse matrices or not?
that helps, usually
usually
Idk if SmithDecomposition is really optimized for sparseness.
There's probably a topology way of generating much smaller matrices, but I think it'd be much more complicated to program in mathematica
entries in the matrix would have to be defined by some continued fraction expansions and the length of the matrices would be dependent on the lengths of these expansions.
huh, this is amusing
one of the sources for the Smith Normal Form page on Mathworld is a paper titled "On Efficient Sparse Integer Matrix Smith Normal Form Computations"
20:32
It's shocking to me how many contortions people have to go through to ask questions: mathoverflow.net/questions/38161/…
20:45
@Semi in e&m today we talked about hemholtz stuff
it seemed cool
helmholtz coil or helmholtz theorem
determining a field from div and curl
ah, helmholtz theorem
yeah, I figured you'd like that
the fact that you can decompose into curl free and div free components reminds me of hodge
i bet that if you tweak hodge for a noncompact guy you get hemholtz in the forms setting
im actually really bummed that i didnt do more physics earlier
i am finding e&m to be v fun
I'm bummed I didn't get to graph anything in 3D in any of the math classes I've taken
20:52
I couldn't draw something like this:
have u tried
I can't even draw circles, lol
"assume this ellipse is a circle"
3
im ok w mathematical drawing bc i like to make technical drawings of plants (cuz plants are cute and i like them) and it's made me a better math drawer
20:57
I drew a circle once but I fucked up so much it had non-trivial higher homotopy groups
l m a o
that's good

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