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my favorite bit of combinatorics is generating functions, and I don't think I ever saw them in a math class
$\Sigma n^2 -n = \dfrac{n(n+1)(4n-1)}{12}$
they show up in physics esp. statistical mechanics, but not in a way that's fully spelled out
Nvm
I heard of them through generatingfunctionology (the book). I don't remember where I got the book from.
yeah, same
00:04
(Er, I don't remember where I got the PDF from)
the other book I got them from was Flajolet and Sedgewick's Analytic Combinatorics
which was waaaay overkill for what I needed, and I still can't get through most of it
I ask because my sister asked me my opinion on combinatorics
Apparently the reason she was asking was because "[her] friend was freaking out about his combinatorics hw and I was curious"
(I'm pretty sure she wouldn't mind me sharing that piece of our conversation here, it's pretty innocuous)
combinatorics is a bit weird compared to other stuff
@AkivaWeinberger i think your sis just wanted to know what you thought about it so she could use the response to embarass you.
XD
Nah I trust her
00:15
glares
gullible, are we? never trust a sibling to not play a prank.
depends on the sibling, really
combinatorics is f'n' hard
it is even worse than algebraic number theory
I don't even know what sort of prank that would be
:|
fair point
the usual challenge of combinatorics, I think, is to figure out how to relate the counting problem you're interested in to one you already know how to do
Though stuff like inclusion-exclusion usually wrecks me :/
00:19
I honestly have no idea what sort of problems you'd be doing in that class
I mean, obviously there's "place a billion boys and a jillion girls in a row of chairs so that no two boys are next to each other" but that doesn't feel like an undergraduate problem
Or at least it would show up fairly early on in the course
@AkivaWeinberger youd be surprised
As a full course, yeah I dunno
I had combinatorics as part of a discrete math course
Would you be counting different ways of drawing graphs and stuff?
stars and bars arguments show up in combinatorics classes quite often
As it does in US History
00:22
relations involving binomial expressions
ba dum ch
like, proving various identities
Pascal's triangle then
Big pile o' binomial coefficients
00:23
depending on the instructor, maybe some elementary graph theory
there are some fun tricks with Fibonacci and Lucas numbers, too
Combinatorics is best subject
Sizzling take: combinatorics is worst subject
Like how $\sum F_n^2=F_nF_{n+1}$?
As proven by the above image
"proven"
@EricSilva it's not a sizzling take so much as pure crankhood
Oooohhhhh
00:27
Or more like, I have dominoes and squares and I want to make a thing $n$ long
I mean it's not my actual opinion but not liking combinatorics isn't cranky
which ends up being Fibonacc-y
All people who don't work in combo are cranks tbh
@Daminark I'm asking what sort of problems you'd find in an undergrad combinatorics class
Not even a question of disliking, if it isn't your favorite wyd?
00:28
@Daminark hot take: all people are cranks
@Akiva I can send materials for our class from 2 years ago
Except me
Sure why not
Or a sample homework sheet
@EricSilva that's colder than the weather outside
Oh shit
the mind of a crank
00:29
@Daminark so every engineer is a crank?
Isn't Eric in the southern hemisphere?
Oh wait no he's at uni in the States
Or something I dunno
I live in Chicago lol
And previously lived in Florida
@TheGreatDuck unless you're engineering stars and bars
Wait so who's the Brazilian guy
Is that the other Eric
Eric is originally from Brazil but we're in the same school
00:30
I happen to be a Brazilian-American
Oh OK
Oh, but not like actually born there
Hi:) In this system $$\frac{dA}{dt}=A(2-\frac{A}{5000}-\frac{L}{100})$$ $$\frac{dL}{dt}=L(-\frac{1}{2}+\frac{A}{10000})$$ suppose A=0, then $L(t)=ce^{-t/2}$ which means that if $t\to\infty$ then $L\to\infty$.Suppose L represent some specie population, then $L\to\infty$ means that the L population will be extinct in future or means that L population will decrease exponentially but won't disappear in future time?
You don't need to answer that if you don't want to
@Daminark are you drunk?
Nope I was born stateside
00:31
I'm drunk on binomial coefficients
@Anneliset. Doesn't $L(t)=ce^{-t/2}$ mean that as $t$ goes to infinity, $L$ goes to zero?
Because of the minus sign in the exponent
Oh sorry yes of course, $L\to 0$
@Daminark real analysis is best subject period
not debatable
@AkivaWeinberger But I am asking about the meaning of $L\to 0$
Hottest take: math sucks
00:33
Real analysis is for NERDS
@Daminark agreed
"Muh deltas"
I guess that means $L$ will decrease exponentially... although, technically speaking, population is discrete, isn't it? Like, if $ce^{-t/2}$ is one-half, that can't mean the population is one-half
combinatorics is for dumb JOCKS
'cause you can't have half of a person
so I guess practically speaking it would mean the population eventually becomes extinct @Anneliset.
00:34
Wombo combo is the chad of math along with number theory
o.O what is going on here
MATH IS GOING ON HERE!
@Daminark amen to that brudduh
WE
ARE
MATH
THIS
IS
MSE!!!!!
00:35
@XanderHenderson impossible!
@Daminark Not only is it not impossible, it is unimpossible!
Thonk
This chat is 0/10 tbh
@AkivaWeinberger even better than Sparta
@EricSilva no. this chat is 0\10.
In machine learning lingo, the chat is "overfitting" and "producing nonsense results"
00:37
@AkivaWeinberger and when will this happen? I tried to solve for t in L but I got Ln(0), so approximately when L is going to be in extinction ?
@AkivaWeinberger we arent machines. we arent learning. no contradiction occurred.
@LeakyNun demonark is drunk on combinatorics.
@Anneliset. when the population falls below 1, you know
modelling is just an approximation
@Anneliset. $L(t)=1$ when $ce^{-t/2}=1$, so when $t=2\ln c$. When $t$ is greater than that, $L$ is less than one. The only interpretation that makes sense to me is that $L$ is extinct then
they "tend to" go like a smooth exponential function when viewed on the big scheme of things
just because if this is a species' population, $L$ has to be a whole number at all times
00:39
@AkivaWeinberger sniped :P
@LeakyNun no you wont. if it falls below one you cease to exist and therefore know nothing.
Can you guys try to make sense for one minute
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> For almost all graphs $G$ with $n$ vertices, $\alpha(G) ≤ 1 + 2 \log_2 n$.
Do you know what $\alpha$ is here? @Daminark
i can make scents if youd like?
but i gotta go
@AkivaWeinberger "almost all"
in the lingo of theorem provers, unification
00:42
Meaning, as $n$ goes to infinity, the probability that a graph satisfies that inequality goes to $1$
maybe average length of loops?
I'm making strange connections to proof theory / model theory, when I was proving that the ideal generated by S and T is S+T
I think it's the size of the largest independent set?
i.e. if you can prove, from the rules of ideals, starting from "the ideal contains S and T", to "x is an element of the ideal", then x is in S+T
@AkivaWeinberger Should not be $t=-2\ln c$?
@Anneliset. sign errors, lol
00:46
@EricSilva how goes physics
@Anneliset. I don't think so, because of the minus sign in the exponent
If $t=2\ln c$ then $ce^{-t/2}=ce^{-(2\ln c)/2}=ce^{-\ln c}=c\frac1c=1$
$e^{-\ln c}=\frac1c$ because it's $(e^{\ln c})^{-1}=c^{-1}$. Alternatively, it's because it's $e^{\ln(1/c)}$.
@Semiclassical I have lab tomorrow and I'm going to die
The stuff that isn't lab is great though
i'd say "now you know what being a TA is like"
except lab stuff isn't bad as a TA. it's grading lab reports that's the arse
Yeah I feel bad for my ta having to read through this shit
Labs are always less fun than lab dogs
00:50
what stuff are you up to in lab?
How To Create Dog
Last week was just learning how to use an oscilloscope
ah
Are you doing CRT stuff?
We didn't last time
Idk what the next one is
(i mean, that's what an oscilloscope is based on. but like, applying an electric or magnetic field to a CRT and seeing the beam bend)
00:52
Isn't that an analog oscilloscope
yeah
if you're doing a digital oscilloscope then that's different
Yeah we had these big digital ones
It was just a bunch of boopin and boppin buttons for four hours
im having trouble determining the conditions by which N functions are linearly independent using the Wronskian
@Semi according to the lab guide the next lab is $e/m$ of an electron whatever that mwans
00:56
oh, nice
yeah, that's fun
@Semiclassical last semester we had to measure the speed of light using cables
and a computer
til having all products implies having terminal object
In other physics related news I just found out about a mathematical GR summer school which I just applied to
My external battery pack for my phone came
(It's a replacement for my old one which broke when someone else was borrowing it)
(hmmmmm)
@TheGreatDuck I think we did something similar: We pulsed a laser light down at a mirror down the hall and bounced it back to the initial setup
00:58
(This one is from a different company)
so if you compared the time at which the pulse was send out to the time the signal returned, you could figure out the time of flight
@Semiclassical yeah except the software we used was stupid and messed up the results
well sorta
ours was okay. nothing stellar
you know how when you open windows task manager you can see CPU percentage?
it's labelled "CPU"
we could directly compare the voltage signals (pulse sent compared to pulse return) in our digital oscilloscope and read it from there
sure
01:00
well the program's time axis was using its own runtime, not the operating system
so the time axis was off by a factor of 1/2
the digital oscilloscope runs independently of a PC, so we didn't have that as an issue in our case
good
needless to say the students unlucky enough to have the antivirus running a scan got really weird results
@EricSilva one way that can show up is this. You apply an electric field E vertically and a magnetic field B horizontally, then send a beam of electron perpendicular to both
@TheGreatDuck yeah
01:02
Lol @Semi we had a problem displaying some curve on our oscilloscope and the TA came over and was like "wtf" and pressed some buttons and it was fixed. I asked what he did and his response was just "I have no idea"
apparently we somehow violated Einstein's core principles. XD
Wait what does e/m of an electron even mean
getting there
energy per meter?
01:02
Ah ok gotcha
oh, drat. the example I'm giving isn't going to help for that.
He says with the lab guide open on his desk
it's the charge-to-mass ratio
Makes sense
ah
e as in electron charge
01:03
right.
what I was going on about was a velocity selector. That's usually part of the following setup, but it's not where e/m shows up so it's a distraction
Suppose you have a vertical uniform magnetic field B, and you shoot an electron at a velocity v in the horizontal direction
then the Lorentz force on the electron will have a magnitude evB where e is the charge of the electron
ah I see
since the field is uniform and the Lorentz force is perpendicular to the motion, the electron will go in a circular orbit
01:05
the wronskian tells you if things are linearly dependent
i remember now
Also agree
now the question is whether a wronskian with implied derivatives allows one to tell if functions are... piecewise linear independent?
ugh
the orbit's radius is determined from circular motion principles: to go in a circle of radius r, you need an acceleration a=v^2/r perpendicular to the motion
so from F=ma you get mv^2/r = evB
or mv=eBr for a pithy expression
So if you know the velocity the electron starts with, the radius of its orbit, and the field B
you can work out the charge-to-mass ratio of the electron experimentally
what you can't determine from this is the charge or the mass by themselves, though
Ahh
I see
one setup like this would be to apply a magnetic field to an electron beam and see how much it makes the beam deflect
from the deflection, you can work out the radius of curvature
and the initial velocity of each electron is determined by the accelerating potential applied to the beam to start with
the tricky part is getting a good magnetic field (both good in the sense of being uniform and of knowing what its strength is)
best setup for that is a Helmholtz coil setup
01:11
Yup that's what it is according to the guide
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Q: Are two functions $f$ and $g$ fitting these qualities neccessarily linearly independent?

The Great DuckSuppose that there exists a functions $f$ and $g$ defined on the real numbers and differentiable everywhere. If there does not exist real numbers $c \neq 0$ and $d \neq 0$ such that $(cf(x) + dg(x))' = 0$ on some nonzero interval then are $f$ and $g$ linearly independent? I am trying to determin...

Oh this lab seems significantly less annoying than previous ones
dont laugh at my inability to copy hyperlinks properly
i gotta go
01:12
nah, i assumed you were making a joke about how we're talking lab physics in the math chat room
Let's go talk math in a physics chatroom
nah i have to go
I was talking to semi
@EricSilva when you do this with a CRT, you can use a bar magnet to see the electron beam on the screen move perpendicular to the magnet
01:13
im trying to prove that for my paper
it might be useful in the part about piecewise trivial solutions
That is p cool
if you put the same bar magnet on the other side, it'll deflect in the opposite direction of the original setup
what's really fun is to do two bar magnets, one on each side
based on what I've said, you'd expect the two effects to cancel out. And in one respect, that's true
the center of the beam is just going to be where it was without the two magnets
but the beam shape goes from being a little circle to a little ellipse :)
Wait why
heheheh
i actually asked this on PSE to get a good answer, lemme find it
What fresh spook is this
01:16
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Q: Diagonal squeezing of an electron beam by a pair of bar magnets

SemiclassicalWhile coordinating an introductory physics lab on the Lorentz force, I came across a behavior which I hadn't seen before and for which I didn't have a ready explanation. The experiment consisted of putting a CRT tube in a uniform magnetic field causing the electron beam to curve and therefore mov...

yeah
p cool
That explanation is gud
Thats pretty surprising
one fun bit of that is that the system has a reflection symmetry (i.e. flip everything along the horizontal axis and it remains the same)
and yet, the beam ellipse is oriented at a 45 degree angle to this axis. so the ellipse doesn't share this symmetry!
Yes agree it is indeed flippy doo
Too weird my dude
01:22
if memory serves it comes down to the fact that B doesn't transform as a vector but as a pseudovector
so a reflection can send B->-B
and that leads to weirdness
What do you mean pseudovector
"In physics and mathematics, a pseudovector (or axial vector) is a quantity that transforms like a vector under a proper rotation, but in three dimensions gains an additional sign flip under an improper rotation such as a reflection."
Oh is it like a bivector
That has the right symmetry then I think
probably related, yeah
In 3 dim I guess
01:25
hmm, wikipedia says this:
"One way to formalize pseudovectors is as follows: if $V$ is an $n$-dimensional vector space, then a pseudovector of $V$ is an element of the $(n − 1)$-th exterior power of $V$: $Λ^{n−1}(V)$. The pseudovectors of $V$ form a vector space with the same dimension as $V$."
Ah so yes then in our case it's a bivector
Cool
ya
I think the point in this case is that the Lorentz force is given by $\mathbf{v}\times \mathbf{B}$
the velocity $\mathbf{v}$ is a regular vector, but B is a psuedo-vector
and if you take a cross product of vector - pseudovector, you get a pseudovector
So the force experienced by the electron along its trajectory is a pseudovector
wait, no
vector x pseudovector should be vector
So vector x vector is pseudovector right
01:30
right
Bc the cross product does a weird when you flippy doo
ya
it's also suggested by the fact that in index form one has $(A\times B)_i = \epsilon_{ijk} A_j B_k$
so one is running into how the Levi-Civita tensor behaves under rotations
Ok I see
I want to write out what all this means formally
Ugh we had a fire alarm go off
01:35
@Semiclassical I guess you need hodge star
So then the cross product is gonna be like $\ast(v \wedge w)$
And so doing it with three boys you get $\ast(u \wedge \ast(v \wedge w))$
Horrible
What is the world coming to when @Akiva asks people to make sense?!!
This is a good one for @EricSilva and @Balarka.
Hirschhhh
That reminds me I need to a study for my diff top exam
And do my e&m pset
Good that things happen in the world to remind you of such matters.
01:46
Jury is still out on good or bad
Can someone help me understand the red underlined sentence?
I can't, offhand.
And I need to leave. Sorry.
Have a good evening!
i missed ted
@MatheinBoulomenos can you tell me a good book that talks about algebraic number theory in order to talk about go into Arakelov geometry
I will wait for your recommendation.
02:59
Alexander's Theorem? Someone gave me a theorem! Yay!
Hello. How to determine if time $t$ used in some mathematic model is defined in days or months?
@Anneliset. Context.
@XanderHenderson This is the model $$\frac{dA}{dt}=A(2-\frac{A}{5000}-\frac{L}{100})$$ $$\frac{dL}{dt}=L(-\frac{1}{2}+\frac{A}{10000})$$ where A=number of aphids, L=number or lady-bugs.
I also have the phase portrait, do you want to see it?
Funny enough, a googling of Alexander's Theorem will not lead one to the theorem being quoted
thought I know what they are talking about, so I'm not upset
in Logic, Jan 27 at 3:06, by user21820
For any pure first-order logic proof that you write down and empirically verify that it satisfies the rules, we can be empirically sure that the theorem it proves is true of the real world under any permitted interpretation of the symbols.
@Dattier
may be related
but if i recall, you want empirical logic to not have inference rules, i.e. that the rules themselves are empirically checked
in order to not fall into the dogma
Metalogic is the study of the metatheory of logic. Whereas logic studies how logical systems can be used to construct valid and sound arguments, metalogic studies the properties of logical systems. Logic concerns the truths that may be derived using a logical system; metalogic concerns the truths that may be derived about the languages and systems that are used to express truths. The basic objects of metalogical study are formal languages, formal systems, and their interpretations. The study of interpretation of formal systems is the branch of mathematical logic that is known as model theory, and...
this might be relevant
03:17
@Anneliset. You can't just look at a bunch of equations and know what the units are
you have to have some context from the statement of the problem to have any idea what is going on
according to THE GOOGLE, aphids live for about a month, and ladybugs live for a couple of years
as such, it seems unlikely that your model assumes that $t$ is measured in anything so long as a century or millennium, nor so short as a minute or second
however, anything from days to years could be reasonable
and, to be frank, the model doesn't care; turn the crank, and interpret the result as best you can
@XanderHenderson I think months fit well then. The model doesn't care? what do you mean?
Mathematically, a change of units is just multiplication or division by a constant. If you solve the problem with the assumption that the units were seconds, but it turns out that they were months, you get the same basic function, rescaled by a constant to fix the units.
This constant doesn't have any deep mathematical meaning, but it is quite important if you want your model to fit your empirical observations
Again, I would suggest that the appropriate units should either (a) be clear from the statement of the problem or (b) not matter.
03:33
@XanderHenderson It's not clear from the statement to determine the units, this model was just given like I gave it before in comments (it's from a book BioCalculus) however I used it as a real life model and I also google for information about both species and other things. But as you mention, it's important to know the time to fit your empirical observations.
I think I am going to take units as months :)
 
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10:14
This is from Rudin PMA: "Theorem: If $p>0$, then $\lim\limits_{n \to \infty}\frac 1{n^p}=0$. Proof: take $n>(1/\varepsilon)^{1/p}$.(Note that the Archimedean property of the real number system is used here)." I can't see where Archimedean property is used, and what happens if Archimedean property does not hold here.
@Silent You have a real and you take a larger natural number. That is precisely the property
And what if archimedean property does not hold in this case? Just curious. @TobiasKildetoft
You mean what would happen in a field without that property but enough other structure to make sense of the statement?
@TobiasKildetoft Hey Tobias :D
@KasmirKhaan Hi
10:21
I had a question that I could not make sense of, can you check if it is well written ? :D
no answer just if it can be solved
:D
pleaseeee :D
yeey:D
@TobiasKildetoft did you get the invitation ?><
10:51
@TobiasKildetoft So, my question is useless, right? Thank you!
@Silent Not entirely, but it takes some work to get to a setting in which it makes sense.
Hola :)

I have to draw a complex number. Can you help me with that?
This is what I have done so far:

let $z \in \mathbb{C}: \quad z = a+bi, \quad a, b \in \mathbb{R}$

$$|z+2|^2> |z-2i|^2+1$$

$\begin{align}
|(a+bi)+2|^2 > |(a+bi)-2i|^2 + 1 &\equiv (\sqrt{(a+2)^2 + b^2 } )^2 > ( \sqrt{a^2+(b-2)^2})^2 + 1\\
&\equiv (a+2)^2 + b^2 > a^2 + (b-2)^2 + 1 \\
&\equiv a^2+4a+4+b^2 > a^2+b^2-4b+4+1 \\
&\equiv 4a > -4b + 1 \\
&\equiv 4a+4b > 1
\end{align}$
11:22
never mind
I got it now :)
12:04
Hi I have a question regarding definition of Edge Clique cover problem. It defined as: we are given a graph G and a nonnegative integer k, and the goal is to decide whether the edges of G can be covered by at most k cliques.
Now, suppose you have the following graph: (v1,v2), (v1,v3), (v3,v2), (v3,v4), (v4,v2). Then if we say k=3, then it would return yes; because we have triangle v2v3v4 and two left edges: (v1,v3) and (v1,v2). Now, if k=4 then it would return no; because we cannot cover the whole graph by any clique with k=4. Now, k=5, then it would return yes; because number of edges are
hi guys, if $v \in \mathbb{R}^3$, and has unit length how can I formalize the idea that $v \in \Omega$, where $\Omega$ is a solid angle?
the thing is if $v \in \mathbb{R}^2$ I can get the idea that $v$ spans an angle between $\alpha$ and $\beta$
not entirely sure though what can be the idea that $v$ spans a solid angle between $\Omega_0$ and $\Omega_1$
if $v \in \mathbb{R}^3$
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Q: Constant related to $f(n) = f(n-1) + \frac{1}{n f(n-1)}$

mickConsider the sequence $f$ : $$f(1) = 1$$ $$ f(n) = f(n-1) + \frac{1}{n f(n-1)}$$ Now we have for large $n$ : $$ f(n) = \sqrt {2 \ln(n)} + \frac{1}{19} + C + eps(n) $$ Where $C$ is a constant and $eps(n)$ Goes to $0$ for large $n$. Main question : Is $C = 0 $ ? If not What is Its value and d...

Hi all. Any ideas ?

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