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If you do it the way Robert did, you'll have the same number of forms as complex dimension, so Nirenberg tells you that you get a new holomorphic structure on your space making all the $1$-forms type $(1,0)$.
I now understand Nirenberg's Theorem. How can it be that it doesn't appear anywhere modern in neat print?
Hi I want to compute cubic equation. the first thing I think about it is to convert it to quadratic equation. Now, I need to find at least one factor for the equation, it seems that the equation has no integer value. I wonder what will you do if you have this case, the equation is as following:
x^3 - x^2 - 1 = 0
ah i see you linked what i found in the answer
yeah idk
i will read this now
I thought it might be in the Bryant/Griffiths/Chern/Goldschmidt EDS book, but I don't think it is.
@Daminark Injecting weirdness:
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Q: Compact open sets which are not closed.

user59671Can a nonclosed open subset of a $T_1$ topological space be compact? I mean an open compact set which is not clopen.

00:02
@BalarkaSen A little frustrating that I don't know what the argument is
trying to perfect the Wronskian. Im having trouble.
Hey all! Is there an appropriate room to discuss:
https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/2625467/algorithm-to-tell-if-an-infinite-sequence-is-random-or-not
I'd like to know what Thom's restriction is
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Q: Why this topological space is not a topological manifold?

user42912I'm having troubles to prove that the following space is not a topological manifold: Let $r:S^1\to S^1$ be a rotation of $\frac{2\pi}{3}$, i. e., $r(\cos\theta,\sin\theta)=\left(\cos\theta+\frac{2\pi}{3},\sin\theta+\frac{2\pi}{3}\right)$, such that $X=B^2/\sim$, where the partition is given by $...

and lol
@user777 it doesn't have integer solutions or rational solutions. The solutions aren't going to be pretty
there's Cardano's formula
00:03
@MoreAnonymous a sequence is always a function. therefore it is never random
@MoreAnonymous this room sounds fine for that
Is a sufficient proof under the axioms of integers that $a = (-(-a))$?
By additive inverse, $a + (-a) = 0$. Let $\alpha = (-a)$. Then $\alpha$ $\in$ $\mathbb{Z}$. Then by additive inverse,
$$\alpha + (-\alpha) = 0$$
Which is identically
$$(-a) + (-(-a)) = 0 = a + (-a)$$
Subtracting $(-a)$ from both sides gives us
$$(-(-a)) = a$$.
@MatheinBoulomenos Is there way to do by hand to give estimation of root values!
@Ted my SO has made a very appetizing looking bacon lemon pistachio fettuccine
you suggest Carano's formula!
00:04
Weird, but I want some, Eric :)
@TheGreatDuck I thought sequence was kinda like an arithemateic progressions
@Secret thanks
@user777 that's numerical analysis which I know nothing about. Maybe Newton's method? I don't know how that converges for cubics
@Cookie: Yes, $a$ is the additive inverse of $-a$ because $-a$ is the additive inverse of $a$.
she said she improvised it with whatever she had lying around and it turned out far better than she expected
More interestingly, why is $-a = (-1)a$? This is tricky.
00:06
@BalarkaSen we could read it
@MatheinBoulomenos Thank you for your comments (I had in exam such an equation so I couldn't know how to estimate it "I knew it is below 2")
@EricSilva: I'm ok with using the fettuccine without the bacon and making carbonara with it :P
@MoreAnonymous I am pretty sure you are looking for something like this:
Intuitively, an algorithmically random sequence (or random sequence) is an infinite sequence of binary digits that appears random to any algorithm. The notion can be applied analogously to sequences on any finite alphabet (e.g. decimal digits). Random sequences are key objects of study in algorithmic information theory. As different types of algorithms are sometimes considered, ranging from algorithms with specific bounds on their running time to algorithms which may ask questions of an oracle machine, there are different notions of randomness. The most common of these is known as Martin-Lö...
@MikeMiller Thom's article seems to be French
ugh i want to make carbonara but i have nothing lying around
00:07
Oh, you're not eating hers?
@BalarkaSen Nbd
@user777 you could look at the derivative, which is positive except on a small intervall and then use the monotonicity on suitable intervals and the intermediate value theorem
I'd hear it if you made a summary of it, or the OP ends up posting an explanation
@TedShifrin no we live across the neighborhood from each other
the walk is too long and the outside world is too cold :(
Ohhh :(
00:08
@So all possible infinite sequences can be expressed as a functions ?
lol @ treating the $\mathbb{C}^{k}$ component as a row vector
@TheGreatDuck
@EricSilva: Otherwise the structure equations are different.
That's already forced by the equations we have.
yeah i see
@BalarkaSen You don't think you can read French?
00:10
Sorry for re tagging but they are in seperate lines ... also id prefer to chat here before i respond to ur comment:
@TheGreatDuck So all possible infinite sequences can be expressed as a functions ?
$$f : \Bbb{R} \to \Bbb{N}$$
@ted so I'm trying to prove that $ab = (-a)(-b)$. I was struggling to prove $(-1)a = -a$, so I was thinking I would circumvent doing so by letting $-a = x$ and $-b = y$. Then $(-a)(-b) = xy$ Then if we take $(-x)(-y)$, we have $ (-x)(-y) = (-(-a))(-(-b)) = ab$.
@MikeMiller Si
Sorry that's Spanish
Also that's "Yes" not "No"
rip
@Cookie: It actually requires the distributive property to prove it.
Oh, you're doing this from my book or for one of your courses?
@Secret This subject is really fascinating ... I think Im gonna b readin this up for some time
Can u also telme what this means for my idea?
00:13
I never liked the French anyway
You say Voltaire, I say Pushkin, you say Sartre, I scream Dostoyevsky, you say French revolution, I retort, Bolshevism!!! you say Paris, I say Stalingrad, you say guillotine I say: GULAAAAG
@Ted how do you write the I for the differential ideal in latex?
French is really useful to know
More useful than Ancient Greek
I used \mathscr in MSE, but in the document I sent you I had to input a script style.
Ich stimme darüber ein!!
hmmk so i agree that $\mathscr{I}$ is actually a differential ideal, I need to read nirenberg's statement
00:16
@Ted hmm...Something along the lines of expanding to $(a+0)$ or something. Yeah this is from class. We did the $(-1)a = (-a)$ at the end of class, and I stupidly didn't copy everything down.
@MoreAnonymous I don't know, but the notion of pattern is quite vague, since there are so many ways it can pop up
It's actually for the last problem in my first section, too, @Cookie.
As a hint, prove first that $0\cdot a = 0$ for any $a$.
for example, the above example you can see it is quite common to have numbers repeating every other row
What class is this you're taking, @Cookie?
ugh @Ted sometimes I can't stand math written in the old courier typeface kinda stuff
too hard to read
00:18
Well, that's hard to read 'cuz it's scanned from an ancient document.
yes true that compounds things
you need to formalise pattern somehow, probably as some kind of computable relation that can be obtained from the sequene after performing the row algorithm you did there
There's got to be a modern source somewhere!!
Hmm, I wonder if it's in Dieudonné.
if there isnt someone should write one this seems like it would be useful to have lying around
@TedShifrin lol, I knew the reverse mathematics of proving that :P
00:19
Oh no kidding? It's just a 1 credit "Intro to Proofs" seminar for the first five or six friday afternoons. Its ~ an hour drive to another school, but it breaks up the monotony and it's part of the "honors" program there, so it looks good on a transcript.
Well, it looks like Nirenberg had this scanned and uploaded not too long ago, presumably because it was obscure and hard to find.
Morning @TedShifrin
Morning, @Faust.
you seem to come on the moment i leave, like your hiding around the corner
waiting for me to leave lol
You found me out, @Faust.
00:21
@BalarkaSen is a manifold really a topological space?
@BalarkaSen Admittedly I can't extract the relevant theorem from Thom
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Q: Why this topological space is not a topological manifold?

user42912I'm having troubles to prove that the following space is not a topological manifold: Let $r:S^1\to S^1$ be a rotation of $\frac{2\pi}{3}$, i. e., $r(\cos\theta,\sin\theta)=\left(\cos\theta+\frac{2\pi}{3},\sin\theta+\frac{2\pi}{3}\right)$, such that $X=B^2/\sim$, where the partition is given by $...

not sure about the converse
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A: Is it true that all real projective space $RP^n$ can not be smoothly embedded in $R^{n+1}$ for n >1

Neil StricklandI'll use cohomology with coefficients $\mathbb{Z}/2$ everywhere. Suppose that the space $P=\mathbb{R}P^{n-1}$ embeds in $S^{n}$ (where $n>2$). Recall that $$ H^*(P)=(\mathbb{Z}/2)[x]/x^{n} = (\mathbb{Z}/2)\{1,x,\dotsc,x^{n-1}\} $$ By examining the top end of the long exact sequence of the pai...

converse such a convenient word why isnt used in normal speak?
Converse of what, @Secret?
00:22
@Faust I use it in normal speak all the time
It is, @Faust, but it's often misconstrued.
"inverse" too
and even contrapositive!
you do math @XanderHenderson\
@TedShifrin a topological space is not necessary a manifold by the above MSE, but I don't remember whether all manifolds are topological spaces
LIES!
I don't do math!
00:23
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Oh, of course manifolds are topological spaces with extra conditions.
oh
For me they're all locally Euclidean, 2nd countable.
the joke was that i forgot all the adjectives
Ted: I see, those are the nice ones
00:24
my understanding of linear algerbra anc calculus is bloody terribru
From the Tom Lehrer song, @Balarka?
@MikeMiller Huh, curious proof
just cant remember any of it
Manifolds are topological spaces with all of the pathologies ironed out to a uniform, uninteresting paste
smooth manifolds are even more boring :P
@TedShifrin when does one normally learn of a semi direct product
00:25
@XanderHenderson that's why there are nondiffeomorphic smooth structures on R^4, yes
Graduate algebra. I hinted at it in my undergraduate course I taught, but didn't teach it methodically.
I never saw a point in my diff geo or alg top lectures where we couldn't just have used paracompact instead of second-countable
List of opposite words:
Reverse
Inverse
Opposite
Anti-
Retro-
Converse
Negative
Contrapositive
@Xander wait wait wait
semi direct product is undergrad algebra here
00:26
thats not fair
You like pathological stuff???
@Daminark I am a fractal geometer
of course I like pathological stuff
fractals are still ok
casson handles are like fractals
i have picked up alittle here and there but it looks like has a very deep theory behind it and lots of real applications
00:26
Mathein ... US ≠ Europe. Even before Drumpf, when it comes to mathematics curriculum.
rationals, meanwhile...
ok @Ted modulo knowing how to prove complex frobenius i think this makes sense and is cool
But didn't @Daminark also learn semidirect products in his undergrad group theory course?
@secret cant i just use a neural network :P
@BalarkaSen That depends on what you mean by "fractal"
00:27
Yeah we did semi direct products about 2/3 of the way through
@EricSilva: I had the most trouble with the end stuff. But I think it's OK.
Or something
(To elaborate, they - Casson handles - are homeomorphic to D^2 x R^2 but not diffeomorphic to it with the standard smooth structure )
@Secret In what sense are they "still ok"?
If you think my write-up is unclear, you should tell me to fix it. Interestingly, the OP accepted it witihout a comment. Not even a "thank you" :(
00:28
They look thusly
@Xander lol I tend to not like pathology too much
EXOTIC SPHERES! WHEEE!
im in my third AA course no luck yet
@XanderHenderson Fractals have a precise definition in terms of invariance in scaling, so you still have some tools to work with them
00:28
@XanderHenderson Oh nothing beyond the visual similarity
@Faust they're not too bad, the idea is this
@Secret given a paticular case one can intuitively see the pattern and then formalise it i think
So there are two versions of the semi-direct product, there's an internal and external
We didn't do semidirect products in the lectures. We were given the definition on an exercise sheet and we had to work out the details, like the splitting criterion etc., but were expected to know them after that
It's like iterating the same construction over and over again so naturally gets a infinite self similar... pattern?
00:28
I'd call it elementary
@BalarkaSen I've been chatting with some of Baez's students recently; I really, really want to come up with a categorical fractal
the dihedral groups are $\Bbb Z_n $ semidirect $\Bbb Z_2 $ i know alittle
just to be annoying
@Secret Fractals do not, in fact have a precise definition
So let's say $H,K\le G$. You know that $HK \le G \iff HK = KH$, right?
in terms of scaling invariance, or any other terms
00:29
Not all "fractals" are scale invariant
leq?
@Xander lol
That's my notation for sub-something usually
@TedShifrin i think your write up is quite clear
In this case, subgroup
00:30
normal?
our u talking internal?
Not apriori, usually I say normal subgroup as $\unlhd$
ok
@XanderHenderson uh, but aren't all fractals have a haseudoff dimension defined for them?
And right now I'm on internal s-d product, yeah
@Secret Mandelbrot proposed such a definition in the 80s
in the first edition of the Fractal Geometry of Nature
he was forced to (more or less) withdraw that definition in an appendix to the second edition
00:32
hmm ok i understand what ur writing now
@Ted Ok I think I have it! My prof actually played with the $0\cdot a = 0 \forall a$ proof, so assuming that, I have
$(-1)a$$(-1)a + 0a$
$= (-1)a + 0(-a)$
$= (-1)a + (1 + (-1))(-a)$
$(-1)a + 1(-a) + (-1)(-a)$
$(-1)(a + (-a)) + (-1)a$
$(-1)0 + (-1)a$
$=(-1)a$
And, to be clear, every metric space has a Hausdorff dimension
hmm...
Oh god sorry guys I didn't mean to block out the whole chat
Way too complicated, @Cookie, isn't it?
00:33
@CookieToast Shakes Fist
so in the modern definition, is the set of rationals considered a fractal?
@Ted I didn't succeed at trying to formalize my idea about Darboux theorem which I was ranting about earlier. Do you want to hear the idea/already know it?
@Secret As I said, there is no definition; "Fractal" is an undefined term
Ssshhh, Mathein.
Maybe there are useful comments which I can gather from you
00:34
@Cookie: Where does that show that $-a = (-1)a$?
@Faust alright so, in particular, you know that if $H\unlhd G$, then $HK$ is always a subgroup of $G$. Now, recall the second isomorphism theorem
There are definitions of "fractal" for which the rationals might be considered fractal, though I think that most people who work in the field would dismiss those definitions
I'm a bit pooped after 4 hours of teaching today, @Balarka. Tomorrow maybe?
For sure!
$H\cap K \unlhd H$ and $(HK)/K \cong H/(H\cap K)$
00:35
@TedShifrin I really misread that. I first thought you typed "I pooped after 4 hours of teaching..."
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smacks Xander ... you're too busy being a parent.
ok
@XanderHenderson I see, so under the modern setting, for people working in the field, what properties do fractals usually have. Both you and balarka said they are not necessary scale invariant?
00:35
If $H\cap K$ is trivial, we call this the semi-direct product of $H$ and $K$
hmm i see
@ted ah crap the last line should be $1(-a)$ not $(-1)a$. But now I bungled up the whole thing editing it so don't go look ugh
I'll search for some more memes and go to sleep in a bit
By the way, the real line is scale invariant (and almost certainly shouldn't be called fractal)
00:37
@Cookie: You don't need more than two terms, ever.
hmm....
@Ted the trick to turn $\overline{\partial}$-stuff into $d$-stuff is pretty clever and cool
i like this proof
Now you have an external semi-direct product
Let's take two groups $H$ and $K$ which aren't assumed to be subgroups of anything
Yeah, and I don't think that's well-known. A very good PDE person who's a friend of mine didn't know of it.
@Ted my professor did caution us about endlessly expanding $0$ into (1 + (-1))$ :P
00:38
So just start with $0=1+(-1)$, @Cookie, since you brought it up.
i will tuck this away into my brain space as useful and interesting
The two most useful tricks in all of analysis: add zero (often in the form of $x + (-x)$ or something similarly silly), and multiply by one (for example, $\dfrac{x}{x}$)
And consider some homomorphism $\phi:K\to \text{Aut}(H)$. We can construct a group operation on the Cartesian product $H\times K$ by $(h,k)(h',k') = (h\phi(k)(h'),kk')$
i would add "differentiate a thing equal to a constant"
oh that looks familiar
00:40
@EricSilva That's advanced analysis right there
This is the external semi-direct product of $H$ and $K$
think i have seen that one b4
Differential geometry is all about what Eric just said. Spivak's Calculus course is all about "add a clever 0" or "multiply by a clever 1" :P
like I said, advanced analysis
00:41
we're doing absolute values on fields in our algebraic number theory course
it's all about add 0 and multiply by 1
wth is algebraic number theory
when in doubt I just differentiate stuff until something happens
Now, turns out these two things are the same. In the abstract semi-direct product of $H$ and $K$, the group is the internal semi direct product of the subgroups $H\times \{0\}$ and $K\times \{0\}$
algebraic number theory is, as far as I can tell, where promising graduate students go to murder their careers
I told my students it was Chern's first rule of geometry @EricSilva.
00:42
@XanderHenderson lmao
hi ted
i guess sometimes that leads you into trouble. Computing $\Delta|A|^{2}$ is like actually a circle of hell lower than treachery
hmm didnt quite follow that last bit
Hi @Meow
00:42
i finished a lot more of the integrals chapter
do you mean ordered pairs with zero?
also i wrote another demo
@TedShifrin i think it's one of my top 3 slogans
@EricSilva: The least you could do is give me an upvote on that herculean effort :P
algebraic number theory uses techniques from algebra (mostly) to study number theory
00:43
@TedShifrin i am indeed one of the upvotes lol
And if you know $G = HK$ where $H$ is normal and $K\cap H = \{e\}$, then $G$ is isomorphic to the abstract semi-direct product of $H$ and $K$ where the homomorphism is $k\mapsto k^{-1}(\cdot )k$
@ted Ok, so $0 = 1 + (-1)$. Multiply by $(-a)$ to get $0(-a) = (-a)(1 + (-1))$. Distribute to get $0 = (-a) + (-1)(-a)$. Then $(-a)$ must be the additive inverse of $-(-a)$, so then $(-1)(-a)$ must be identically equal to $a$?
Oh. That was the score two days ago.
hi daminark
@Faust I should've said $e$ to mean the identity, whoops
Hey @Meow! How's it going?
00:43
@Secret Did you have some commentary to go with those images?
where are all the memes damit
nothing
oh i get it now
yeah i upvoted it when i saw it
@Cookie: Right, since additive inverses are unique.
00:44
$\mathbb{1}$ for the identity!
@Xander is it really that impossible to get a job off ANT?
just doig integral stuff w/o ftoc
you?
@XanderHenderson uh.... which of these you recognise as fractals?
algebraic number theory is really beautiful stuff. It combines many different aspects of mathematics and some of the result are just to good to be true
Frustrating that things that take me 20 hours to figure out get epsilon votes and trivial things get 50.
00:44
@Daminark I wouldn't say impossible
But it's about the experience :P
just that it takes a very long time to learn enough to be able to push the theory forward
and you typically need to be quite smart to do it
and there are a lot of very clever people all trying to do the same things that you are doing
yeah @Ted i guess good problems should be their own reward
00:45
@MatheinBoulomenos maybe ill get to learn it one day i did two number theory classes at my uni doing analytic number theory right now its intresting
I still remember one that took me over a week years ago.
@ted that was so much smoother than the route I was trying to take lol
I know @Cookie.
@Meow: No sound on this one?
nope
@Secret Any one of the could be fractal, I suppose; one would need a better mathematical description of each
00:46
just wraps the graph around the circle for each frequency and takes a (discrete) integral
@Daminark thanks for the explanation
@Daminark My impression is that most people who go to grad school to do ANT end up not being very successful
I have no idea what that picture on the bottom left really is, Meow.
wth is a discreete integral
@XanderHenderson wow, so fractals is really that vague... I see...
00:46
it might be better to go to graduate school for something else, then start working on ANT once you have tenure
press F to pay respects
@Xander: That's certainly not true.
F?
@Ted I guess I need to find a time in my life to seriously learn complex geometry sigh too much math i wanna do
algebraic number theory isn't that demanding, you just need abstract algebra, commutative algebra, non-commutative algebra, group cohomology, representation theory, abstract harmonic analysis, K-theory, complex analysis and scheme theory
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00:47
@EricSilva: If it's easier, you could just decide to hate math ...
@Faust riemann sum...?
i know what that is
funny S
It's a thing from this call of duty game, never played that part at least but one of your comrades dies and you have to press F on your controller to pay respects. I guess the absurdity of it all made it a meme
thats an integral
im taking a riemann sum
@TedShifrin red is real axis of $\hat{f}(\omega)$, green is imag axis
SNIPED
00:48
lol i think i get that great aha feeling from math too frequently to not pursue it aggressively @Ted
mwahahaha
well yes
like this problem gives me that feeling
@EricSilva: I was teasing.
00:48
i never heard it called a discreete integral b4 is all
@Mathein pah, nothing
@Secret It isn't that fractals are vague, only that your images lack context
I cant' tell you if something is fractal if I don't know how you have defined it
I could do a tiny bit of that in... 50 years or smth!
@XanderHenderson it takes a lot of work to get to the frontiers of research in most subjects (if it's not obscure). A friend of mine proved new stuff in his bachelor thesis on ANT, so it's not as hard as you make it out to be
OK, @Meow: That's pretty cool!
00:49
@MatheinBoulomenos only that huh?
thanks
@MatheinBoulomenos I'm not saying that it is impossible
only hard
I need to learn more extrinsic geo, pde stuff, and complex geo/algebraic geo, and study for GREs and there's like zero time
also one question i had since its vital to my proof
of a certain integral problem
as compared with, say, fractal geometry, where there is still some low hanging fruit
00:50
I guess for rn GREs and extrinsic geo will take priority
What's that, Meow?
or category theory, where Baez can require that his students publish papers before they even advance to candidacy
Ugh why'd you have to remind me of that Eric?
Clockwise from top left
1. It's some drawing made by someone, that guy did not include a generation gormula, but it seemed to be based on the mandrobrot set
2. Binary tree
3. Kosch snowfake, skeriski triangle and other related objects
4. Graph of Thomae function
if a function is continuous on $[a,b]$ it's bounded on that interval right?
00:50
@Meow yup
Didn't you read the Three Hard Theorems in Spivak? :)
yup
Of course, you know it has max/min, in fact.
yes i used that fact
to prove the mean value theorem for integrals
even more than bounded
00:51
Well, Spivak uses bounded to prove the max/min.
@Daminark i want to take it sooner rather than later and every time i sit down to try to start studying for it i fall asleep
i.e. that it takes on every value between the maximum and minimum
You just need the intermediate value theorem.
@EricSilva: Best to give yourself time to take it a second time in early fall before grad admissions stuff.
then showed the integral must be greater than that of $g(x)$ times the minimum of $f(x)$, and less than that of $g(x)$ times the maximum of $f(x)$
@Secret A picture is a picture; if you don't know where it came from, it is impossible to say whether or not it is fractal, so (1) is unknowable
00:52
yeah that's why i wanna take it soonish so that if i need to do that i hace the time @Ted
Oh, you're doing that theorem with $\int_a^b f(x)g(x)dx$, Meow?
Good, @EricSilva.
A binary tree could be fractal, I suppose, but I don't know a definition under which that would make sense
problem uhh
00:53
And one is continuous, the other integrable?
one is continuous, the other integrable and non-negative
has to be non-negative to apply the inequality
most authors would want the von Koch curve and the Sierpinski gasket to be fractal
Well, the easiest way to make a binary tree is halving an interval countably many times
@Daminark did you hear how good the year above us is doing in admissions
Yeah I mean I'm prob gonna try to take it in the spring or something to be a bit safer, just like, ugh that's not a test I'm looking forward to
I've got no info on those folk
00:54
somebody got in literally everywhere
Right, @Meow. I think you have it.
As to the Thomae function, that's probably something that most authors would consider fractal
It's just intermediate value theorem.
What's GRE?
@Mathein a graduate standardized test
you have to take it for grad school admissions sometimes
00:54
@Secret I know what a binary tree is, I'm just saying that I don't think that there are many notions of fractal for which a binary tree would be considered fractal
@Eric damn, nice
Oh I see, I thought it was a field of math
No, standardized test for admission to graduate school.
on to problem 24 now
yes my phrasing was awkward
00:55
You're done with me for now, Meow?
@Daminark she got into harvard princeton mit stanford ucla and chicago i think
Don't the grad schools have their own tests? I used them as problem sources for algebra
@MatheinBoulomenos some have qualifying exams you have to take after a year
Yeah a bunch of them have qualifying exams for when you're already there
i think so
00:56
That's qualifying exams once you're in ... to advance to the doctoral oral, etc.
@MatheinBoulomenos Most graduate programs have their own comprehensive or qualifying exams
this problem looks a bit hard
which are typically required after enrolling in a program
@XanderHenderson Hmm, based on what you said, it seems that what most people in the field think are fractals does not necessary need to be self similar nor generated from a recursive process
I think we don't though, we just have people take first year classes and maybe place out if you know the material already
00:56
Oh, the arclength problem, Meow? It's important and cool.
before advancing to candidacy
@Daminark we have topics exams though
no the umm
where you talk about shit
change of coordinates to polar
00:56
Oh.
Oh I see. I just thought they were more interesting problems than in most textbooks
@Eric this is true, though that sounds more... pleasant? Or interesting?
@Secret In fact, most fractals are not self-similar
prove it's $\frac{1}{2}\int f(\theta)^2 \theta$
You just need to think about what upper and lower sums look like in polar, @Meow.
00:57
it is just that self-similarity gives one a great deal of structure to hang one's hat on
thats wha ti was gonna say
Draw the graph in the $\theta r$-plane and think about upper and lower sums.
you have like
i think it sounds better because i hate sitting down for exams but some people would definitely like it less @Daminark
@Mathein but yeah the GRE that you have to do for entry into grad school seems to be just a bunch of computational calculus and linear algebra, /maybe/ with some fancier topics thrown around
00:57
little slices of pizza
the partition is how you cut the pizza
Right.
You had pizza for dinner?
actually pasta
Well, that doesn't work.
computional calculus and linear algebra? I probably wouldn't be accepted at a US grad school, lol
the lower sum consists of possible pizza you can eat, and the upper sum is the smallest pizza containing your deformed pizza
00:58
I mean same tbh
@Daminark when I took the math subject GRE, it was about 50% stupid integration problems that required knowing a trick (or were otherwise quite computationally intensive), about 25% linear algebra, with the rest of the exam filled out with a hodgepodge of other more interesting questions
You'll get it, Meow. The next problem is super cool, though.
and don't do what I did, and register for the exam two weeks before it is offered
you really do want to take a few months to study hard for it
Like I can do single variable stuff alright (at least the standard bits, but all the really sneaky stuff... maybe not), but the geometric business and parametrization from multi just goes way over my head
arent arclength integrals always ugly
00:59
@MeowMix not if they have been carefully constructed to give something tractable ;)

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