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6:00 PM
Like, does "I bricked him" mean I gave him a brick? I hit him with a brick? I turned him into a brick?
 
really?
 
Probably the second one, but it can be all of those depending on context
 
in american english it's a more ok word for butt
in british english it's female genitalia
 
Ooh, fag as well
Cigar
 
I usually think of "bricking" in the context of a phone getting bricked
 
6:01 PM
@AkivaWeinberger yeah that one is really crazy i cringe because i would straight up never use this word
@Daminark i also think this
 
In Singapore English, I think it is, they use the word "prepone"
as like the opposite of "postpone"
so to move something earlier
Why don't we have that?
 
Oh that is clever
 
i dont like that
 
Not really it's just what makes sense
 
h again
 
6:02 PM
prepone sounds filthy
 
Petition to adopt this word
 
i forgot to stick around after my previous h
 
reHi @MikeMiller
 
lmao @Mike
 
Reh Mike
 
6:03 PM
One of the worst things about English is that rhymes don't really work across dialects?
 
I remember in English class in school, we had to translate the lyrics of a song of our choice and we chose "American idiot", when we looked up "faggot" in our dictionaries, the only meaning given there was "fried liver"
 
In New Zealand, bear and spear rhyme. In (most of?) Britain, father and bother don't rhyme.
 
that made our translation sound really strange
 
@AkivaWeinberger hilariously a lot of puns in shakespeare dont work in any form of modern british english
 
The words lot-cloth-father-bother-caught-cot-palm can use like anywhere from 1 to 4 different vowel sounds
 
6:04 PM
Never liked rhymes
 
(My dialect uses the same vowel sound for all of them)
@EricSilva Yup
 
I prefer rhymes in the sense of e e cummings
crazy jay blue BRACKET CLOSED
 
@AkivaWeinberger I say them kinda differently
 
i like a sick rhyme
 
BRACKET OPEN demon laughshriek
 
6:06 PM
One my linguistics friends commented that I do not have the "cot-caught merger"
 
idek how you would pronounce them if they're not the same
all the words Akiva listed have the same vowel sound to me too
 
idk what a cot is so I don't know how to pronounce it
 
@Eric how about rhyming merch with god church
 
cot is pronounced "cotangent"
3
 
6:08 PM
See, I have trouble remembering if it's called the "caught-cot merger" or the "cot-caught merger" 'cause in my head it's stored as "/kʰɑt/-/kʰɑt/ merger"
('cause I have the merger)
 
@BalarkaSen those actually rhyme tho
 
@MatheinBoulomenos Small little bed
 
And I say father like caught, the others like cot
 
how do you say cot @Daminark
 
Probably like /ɔ/ in IPA or something similar
 
6:09 PM
Caht (Cot) vs Cawt (Caught)?
 
Or /ɒ/
 
ok i heard him say it and it's weird
 
Strangely enough Akiva and I are from the same place
 
i actually already forgot how you said it
 
Yet we talk rather differently
Well actually are you from Southern Brooklyn? Like Bay Ridge?
Eric: kek
 
6:12 PM
@Daminark But both ⟨ah⟩ and ⟨aw⟩ make the /ɑ/ sound for me
@Daminark Bit north of that, Brooklyn Heights
 
@AkivaWeinberger so caught is something like a vowel and a half
 
I shouldn't direct you guys to my house
 
l m a o
 
Ah damn, surprise party cancelled
 
Like imagine co-aught but really quickly
 
6:14 PM
oh ok i think i remember but i cant say it
2 hard
 
Hm yeah sounds New Jersey-y
 
That's also how I pronounce ball, dog
 
bawl?
 
dog is pronounced "dogangent"
 
Damn shit I gotta start saying it normally then if I wanna keep trash talking Jersey
 
6:18 PM
I want to do some math but I can't concentrate/get motivated enough
So frustrating
 
Red Bull
 
@BalarkaSen amphetamines
 
alcohol. I always start doing math when I'm drunk
 
i think i always try to do math when i enter an altered state
 
Do what Erdős did
 
6:22 PM
I take nothing less than LSD
 
You know, tomorrow I'm doing something at like 110th St or something like that
I haven't been that far upstate in a long time
 
@BalarkaSen Do some algebraic number theory :)
 
I think I'll fall asleep if I try that
at this moment
 
@Krijn you have good taste
 
@MatheinBoulomenos I've been trying to make him do number theory for a couple of years now
 
6:27 PM
Oh god
What is this witchery
 
@BalarkaSen amphetamines are worse than acid tbh
 
worse in what sense?
i mean amph is not a hallucinogen
do you mean acid is safer, clinically? that's prolly right
 
Worse as in they scare me more
 
I think acid is one of the clinically safest actual drug
(actual because I don't want to hear someone shout "caffeine")
lmao
 
I guess elicit activities are probably not a good discussion topic in a public chatroom lol
 
6:43 PM
I think it was fine given the stuff that happens in the physics chatroom :P
But yeah let's get back to math
 
Minimal surfaces got cancelled :(
 
Oh :( The whole course? Why?
 
Nah just today but that class is like my one pick me up on lab days
 
Ah I see
 
We were gonna do some gmt
 
6:56 PM
Hello
some one know Orlicz Space ?
 
Hi all;
I'm dealing with the following Number Theory problem; If anyone could help that would be great:
Let m be any positive integer. Demonstrate each of the following: A natural number is congruent modulo 2^m to the integer formed by its last m digits; A natural number is congruent modulo 5^m to the integer formed by it's last m digits
 
@DarkRunner hint: $2^m \cdot 5^m= 10^m$
 
So my immediate intuition was that since any number mod 10^m's residue would be it's last m digits, and the prime factorization of 10^m is 2^m * 5^m, that means 2^m, and 5^m divide 10^m, and are also relatively prime. Therefore, any number k (mod 10^m)=k (mod 2^m)=k(mod 5^m)
@MatheinBoulomenos Yeah, that's how I solved it, I was just wondering if that's a valid solution;
Or do I need a more rigorous proof...?
 
I think it's more clear what you mean if you write n=(something)*10^m+(last m digits)
 
when dealing with vector bundles, what topology is given to the vector spaces acting as fiber?
 
7:07 PM
Euclidean topology, the one which is the rightful topology on R^n
 
alright thanks
 
@EricSilva The soap film popped?
Be sure not to invest in minimal surfaces, I hear it's a bubble
@DarkRunner That looks good
 
smacks DogAteMy
 
Hi @Ted
 
Hi Balarka
DogAteMy, being mean, is fond of mean curvature.
 
7:13 PM
I have been thonking about moving frames
 
Hi @Ted
 
You're all right-angled, Balarka?
hi Mathein
 
thonking, not thinking, as in it's not a very serious level thinking yet. I have convinced myself that it is quite a fantastic reformulation of geometry
 
Oh dear. I really do need to call a doctor.
 
(Oh lord)
 
7:14 PM
lol
 
I was reading something about the octonions, and there's this big section that would only make sense if I knew Lie theory
which I don't
 
Well, thank goodness there's something left for you to study in college, DogAteMy.
 
Incidentally, apparently $\rm\Bbb OP^2$ exists but $\rm\Bbb OP^3$ and up doesn't?
 
You need to learn enough to read Bryant's papers.
 
Hi Ted :D
 
7:16 PM
hi Kasmir.
 
Akiva subconciously knows stuff he doesn't know anyway
 
I got a question on analysis
 
(And I assume $\rm\Bbb OP^1$ is $S^8$ if only by analogy with $\rm\Bbb CP^1=S^2$)
 
@AkivaWeinberger I should know something about this, but I don't. Doesn't non-associativity screw with the definition of the equivalence classes?
 
@BalarkaSen When I read stuff about Lie theory that makes no sense, I'm mentally priming myself for when I finally do go ahead and learn it
or something I dunno
@TedShifrin Yeah, that seems to be the problem
 
7:18 PM
@Akiva What goes wrong in defining it as $ \Bbb R^{8n} - \{0\}/w \sim \lambda w$ where $\lambda w$ means octonion multiplication?
Oh I see nonassociativity
 
knowning that the set is closed if its complement is open and the closure E(Bar) is the intersection of all closed sets containing E, how does one prove that the family of closed sets containing E is not empty ? @TedShifrin
 
Not sure why it makes sense for $n = 2$ but not $n = 3$
 
$X$ is in there, @Kasmir.
Yeah, @Balarka, I haven't a clue.
 
Though I don't know why $\rm\Bbb HP^n$ exists for all $n$, I feel like the fact that $\lambda w\ne w\lambda$ should mess stuff up
 
@TedShifrin oups yes >< X is the metric space
 
7:19 PM
I guess you probably just choose a side to multiply on
and the other side ends up being homeomorphic
 
Right, DogAteMy. But you don't switch sides.
 
@AkivaWeinberger I should clarify that I know 0 Lie theory
I only speak the Truth
 
I know 1.
But you should study it and learn 10.
Yale's a good place for that.
Lots of representation theory people, last time I checked. Of course, people get old and disappear.
 
$\Bbb H P^n$ is fine
you don't need commutativity at all
 
left multiplication ftw
 
7:21 PM
Remember how I was talking about a finite space weakly equivalent to $S^n$? I wonder what that looks like for $\rm\Bbb CP^2$, and for HP and OP and stuff
Like, the minimal such finite space
 
@MatheinBoulomenos mathein :D
 
I should find that pdf again
 
Hi @Kasmir
 
@AkivaWeinberger You want a nice enough triangulation of CP^2 first
 
There's probably a link to it somewhere on this chat, if I can dig it up
 
7:22 PM
Oh minimal such thing
No idea
 
Minimal triangulation of a regular torus was hard enough :P
 
The minimal finite space weakly equivalent to a sphere has like 6 elements
 
I think finite space models are the same as a triangulation upto simple homotopy
 
(Two points, two open-ended half-equators between those points, and two open hemispheres)
 
But don't quote me on that
 
7:23 PM
I think people thought about these things when the Russians came up with a combinatorial way of doing Pontryagin classes back in the 70s.
 
(simple homotopy equivalence means homotopy equivalence which either squashes a face, as in, squashing down a n-simplex to a (n-1)-simplex face, or does the opposite move, and is a finite composition of these)
 
@AkivaWeinberger lmaoooooo
 
Howdy Eric
'Flu going around the math department at UC?
 
Ted :D
Hint? help? :D
 
I was sick a couple weeks ago
As were many others
Idk abt now
 
7:27 PM
What, Kasmir? I answered your question. Unless there's a secret question I don't see.
I thought that's why class might have been canceled, Eric.
 
Ah yes our sub for andré was indeed sick
 
You have $\bar E$ defined as the intersection of all closed sets containing $E$, and you want to know why that's well-defined (i.e. why the set of closed sets containing $E$ is nonempty)?
$X$ is a closed set containing $E$.
 
I already said that! :P
 
So it has at least one element.
Yeah, I'm just reiterating with more words @TedShifrin
 
Huy
7:29 PM
hey, I'm looking at an exercise about solving a differential equation using the Laplace transform. I get the (correct) result, that
$$\mathcal{L}[y] = \frac{1}{(1+s^2)^2} e^{-\pi s} + \frac{1}{(1+s^2)^2}.$$
now, the standard solution suggests to "know" the value of
$$\mathcal{L}^{-1} \left[\frac{1}{(1+s^2)^2}\right]$$
which I don't. Instead, I rewrote my result as
$$\mathcal{L}[\sin(t)] \cdot \mathcal{L}[\sin(t-\pi)] + \mathcal{L}[\sin(t)]^2,$$
which is
$$\mathcal{L}[\sin(t)] (\mathcal{L}[\sin(t-\pi)] + \mathcal{L}[\sin(t)]).$$
 
ýeees ><
 
@Huy: That doesn't look like geometry !!
 
Huy
@TedShifrin I have to continue my education! :P
 
Ted said that and I assumed i should have written X as metric space in the question
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Ohh....
 
Huy
7:30 PM
can't just sit on the maths I already know
 
and the closure is closed , knowning only those 2 informations?
 
I've forgotten everything about the Laplace transform.
Don't use it, lose it, I guess
 
Oh, I thought you understood that $X$ is closed in $X$, cuz we discussed that yesterday.
 
Huy
@TedShifrin: if you prefer, I have a geometry exercise I tried to solve for days and didn't succeed. I've given up already. it's from a geometry book for high schoolers.
 
Yes yes >< too many new stuff
this is driving me nuts Ted ._.
like the idea of compact set
 
7:31 PM
@KasmirKhaan Well, the arbitrary intersection of closed sets is closed, isn't it?
 
@Huy: I had to substitute as the teacher for a geometry class a week ago. It took some time to prepare. There was stuff in there that frankly wasn't that interesting to me, but ...
 
Yeah, I find that you need a good visual foundation for this sort of thing
 
Huy
but what?
 
or maybe that's just me, being a visual learner
So draw pictures and stuff
 
7:32 PM
But I figured it out. It turned out there was enough stuff in the lesson for 3 hours and we only had 1 3/4.
 
Huy
very good
 
@AkivaWeinberger
we only know that the set is closed if its complement is open and the closure E(Bar) is the intersection of all closed sets containing E
 
I came up with a different proof for one of the basic things and presented it to them.
 
@KasmirKhaan Right. Did you prove that the arbitrary intersection of closed sets is closed?
 
If you have a rectangle inscribed in a rectangle, why is its center of mass the same as the big one's? [I'm rephrasing intersection point of diagonals.]
 
7:32 PM
Because this follows from that
E(Bar) is the intersection of a bunch of closed stuffs, and therefore will be closed
 
Huy
I see
so you're no Laplace's-man I guess
 
(Note that $\bigcup_{n=2}^\infty[\frac1n,1]=(0,1]$, so closed sets aren't preserved under, say, arbitrary union)
 
hmm
nice akiva:D
with this in mind ill try to tackle the rest of the questions
and see where I go :D
 
If it's not in the standard tables, @Huy, I would use the inverse Fourier transform to try to figure it out, I guess.
 
Huy
oh I think I've seen my mistake
 
7:35 PM
thanks @TedShifrin@AkivaWeinberger
 
Huy
I wrongly applied the contraction property
 
Similarly, $\bigcap_{n=1}^\infty(0,1+\frac1n)=(0,1]$, so open sets aren't closed under arbitrary intersection
(Note that $1$ is an element of $(0,1+\frac1n)$ for all $n$, which is why it's in the intersection)
 
Huy
yes, that's the problem
 
I dunno what you talk about, boy.
 
hi @TedShifrin
 
7:36 PM
hi Leaky
 
Huy
@TedShifrin: let $\Delta ABC$ be a triangle with $a = 6$, $b = 8.5$ and $c = 7.5$. construct a line, which intersects $AB$ in $P$ and $AC$ in $Q$ such that $\overline{PB} = \overline{PQ} = \overline{QC}$. this one kept me busy for days. do you see a simple solution?
no trig
 
Probably not. But first I need to read it and draw a picture.
Is there a reason this is an interesting problem?
 
Huy
yes, the reason being: I wasn't able to solve it
 
Can it be done in general without those numbers?
 
Huy
I would assume so
I doubt the numbers have anything to do with it
it's from a Swiss book with generally rather interesting exercises
so I'm assuming its solution requires some interesting idea too
 
7:41 PM
So far it doesn't seem interesting, but that's cuz I haven't solved it.
 
Huy
:P
I can tell you the topic it should belong to
 
There are a bunch of perpendicular bisectors that depend on one another.
 
Huy
it helped you last time when the exercise was about congruence
 
That's true.
 
Huy
the topic is similarity
 
7:43 PM
Hmm.
 
So ideally one would set ABC and APQ similar and want to work out the algebra with the sides...
That's not gonna work
 
Why should those be similar?
 
PQ can be tilted
yeah i didnt see the picture
 
My perpendicular bisector comment might be relevant.
$Q$ is on the perpendicular bisector of $\overline{PC}$ and $P$ is on the perpendicular bisector of $\overline{BQ}$.
 
What is the intuitive idea of a differential form?
 
7:47 PM
It can be integrated over the right-dimensional things.
Out of the blue I don't know how to answer your question.
Oh, and, of course, Stokes's Theorem holds.
 
Equivalently it's something which eats tiny k-parallelepipeds and spits out a number which is their "k dimensional volume" more or less
(It's a linear combination of the volume of the projections of the parallelepipeds onto the various coordinate planes, actually)
 
The great mystery is the intertwining of $d$ and $\int$.
Sounds like you're quoting my course, Balarka :P
 
Hahah
Can't help it
 
@BalarkaSen Nice
 
Huy
7:51 PM
that handwriting is horrible
 
"ok"
 
We should have college students write journals :P
 
amusingly, one of my students' problem for today was to do a problem by direct integration rather than the smart way using the Divergence Theorem :P
 
@AndersonFelipeViveiros: I've forgotten what your background is.
I'm confused @Semi. You made him do it directly?
 
@MikeMiller Beautiful
 
7:53 PM
@TedShifrin I need to study differential forms for a test
 
the discussion problem was to get the electric field of a spherical surface by means of Coulomb's law (direct integration of the charge density) rather than by Gauss's law
 
@AndersonFelipeViveiros: Theoretical test or computational test?
Oh, cool, Semiclassic.
 
Differential forms are sections of an exterior power of the cotangent bundle
 
Doing it by means of Coulomb's law reduces to the integral $$\int_0^\pi \frac{(z-R\cos\theta)}{(z^2-2Rz\cos\theta+R^2)^{3/2}}R^2\sin \theta\,d\theta$$
 
Huy
@TedShifrin: what's your favourite example to motivate differential equations ?
 
7:55 PM
@TedShifrin It's an master's exam, in a few weeks...
 
Depends on what kind of diff eq, I am sure
 
This is like Newton's computation of the gravitation field by a single integral, Semiclassic.
 
Oh, masters exam, so more theoretical.
 
It's exactly the same, since both Coulomb's law and Newton's law of gravitation are inverse square forces
 
7:55 PM
Hi @Ted
 
@Semiclassic: I put that in my multivariable book.
Hi, demonic @Alessandro. Have you run me over yet? :P
 
Huy
@BalarkaSen: to teach it to people who have never before seen any differential equation
 
@Huy Population growth?
 
tbh I'd forgotten how to do the integral
 
@TedShifrin is it true that every matrix $A$ over $\Bbb C^n$ satisfying $A^k=I$ for some $k \in \Bbb N$ is diagonalizable?
 
7:56 PM
Nah, I'm doing functional analysis at the moment
 
Huy
that would be your favourite one?
 
Maybe the tractrix, @Huy, if they're decent students.
 
@Huy My favorite one in the growth business is the predator-prey equation
 
Yes, @Leaky.
 
@LeakyNun yes
 
7:56 PM
interesting
 
the trick is that $$\frac{d}{d\theta}\frac{1}{\sqrt{z^2-2Rz\cos\theta+R^2}}=-\frac{Rz\sin \theta}{(z^2-2Rz\cos\theta+R^2)^{3/2}}$$
 
@AndersonFelipeViveiros: So are you doing moving frames differential geometry, or just basics on forms?
 
the proof is that it is a representation of $C_k$ so it can be decomposed into 1-dimensional subrepresentations?
 
So integration by parts ftw
 
@BalarkaSen But isn't that a discrete thing?
 
Huy
7:57 PM
@TedShifrin: interesting, I didn't even know that name
 
@LeakyNun that's one possible proof
 
@LeakyNun That is how I showed it when I did rep theory with my students
 
@TobiasKildetoft Not really. You can take time to be continuous
It's a system of two equations
 
It comes from a separable ODE, @Huy.
 
@BalarkaSen But you can't take the predators and prey to be
 
7:58 PM
Hello everyone!
 
Oh hell, Demonark is here.
 
I always feel that to be more of an eigenvalue problem
 
Huy
@TedShifrin: I'm worried this won't be interseting to many of my students though
 
@Daminark hello
 
@TobiasKildetoft You're taking a continuous fit. C'mon.
 
7:58 PM
Hi @Daminark
 
Every matrix satisfying a polynomial with distinct roots is diagonalizable I think
 
@TedShifrin how would you prove it?
 
If the # of predators and preys is large enough not much anomalies occur
 
@AlessandroCodenotti sure
 
@BalarkaSen You're having a continuous fit
 
7:59 PM
@Balarka @Mathein so it turns out you need to go 3 pages into the vertical spectral sequence in order to reach E infinity for the snake lemma
 
You can use Jordan form, @Leaky, but I have an exercise in my linear algebra book for any time the minimal polynomial has distinct roots.
Based just on partial fraction decomposition.
 
Huy
@BalarkaSen: what about your sleep rythm though
 
@TobiasKildetoft that was a thing I thought to myself in the group rep lecture
@TedShifrin can it be done without Jordan form?
 

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