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18:00
I like that Lang does sesquilinear forms for an arbitrary ground field equipped with an involution. We only did that for complex conjugation
@TedShifrin pi’s matter a bunch in physics calculations, which can be a pain
Well, sure, they show up a lot in vector analysis, too, @Semiclassic :)
@MatheiBoulomenos Sesqui is a word that really needs to be used more
If you get pi^2 that’s already an order of magnitude
A shame it seems so few other languages have a word for it
18:01
True. Physics combines that with Fourier analysis as well
@TobiasKildetoft well, I guess you don't need to talk about one and a half that often?
@MatheiBoulomenos Danish actually also has a word for it, and I find that I use it quite often
@TobiasKildetoft that's cool!
There's a word in Bengali.
and Hindi too I think
@TobiasKildetoft unsurprisingly forma sesquilineare is a proper name in Italian
18:03
Isn't vector analysis just a special case of differential geometry?
If you do QFT computations you end up doing products of many Gaussian integrals, and each of those gives a sqrt(pi) to carry around
@Mathei frowns
Idk I never did vector analysis
Yes, it's all a special case of $\infty$-topos theory
But I know that the differential operators are all Cartan-derivatives basically
18:04
@BalarkaSen Which itself is really just a special case of math theory
@MatheiBoulomenos: I mean vector integral calculus, things like Stokes's Theorem.
@Tobias Which is in turn a special case of theory theory
If your vector isn’t a differential operator, you’re probably not doing differential geometry. That’s too sharp a cut, but I think it’s not far off the mark
I just meant the classical vector calculus which only works in three dimensions as opposed to working in $n$ dimensions and with differential forms
Remember that differential geometry means something more to me than working with manifolds.
18:06
Heylo all I have a short Calculus question
smacks Balarka
@BalarkaSen I saw a talk a bit ago which mentioned something called the “theory” theory
go ahead @user55789
Well, you could not identify vector fields with one-forms, if you had no Riemannian metric on $\mathbb{R}^n$
18:06
I feel like I am about to get a rash or something whenever something links to ncatlab
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@TedShifrin Ok it's about partial integration
I have this
And I mean, I even study $2$-representation theory.
ncatlab has proven useful to me a finite number of times
But mostly not
@TobiasKildetoft I think this is my favorite comment about nlab of all time.
So I have this
18:08
I am laughing so hard right now
Where I have taken that d/dx [ 3 (u-1)^2] = (u-1)^3
However, I wonder whether this is correct in this context, as I also have the option of writing the polynomial explicitly
wait I meant
Whoa, slow down, @user55789. Did you substitute $u^3=x$?
\int 3 (u-1)^2 dx = (u-1)^3 + c
Hey all, I have a quick commutative algebra question
Yes I did that
I substituted u = 1 + x^(1/3)
18:09
Well, I can't follow unless we go slower.
And thus 3(u-1)^2 du = dx
But my question is a little bit more about the following step:
In the partial integration I've chosen to integrate 3(u-1)^2 into (u-1)^3
OK.
Yeah, so what's wrong with that? Just do the integral.
Now an ambiguity arises, since if I write 3(u-1)^2 = (3u^2 - 6u + 3) and integrate that instead, I am missing the constant term that would arise by integrating into (u-1)^3
@User203940 Go ahead and ask. Probably one of the better times for it
Antiderivatives can always differ by a constant. So you're asking why integration by parts works in general?
18:12
I'm asking if the last equality holds, since I can integrate to two different values while evaluating into an indefinite integral. Do you require more elaboration or is it clear what I mean?
definite* integral
It seems to me you're asking a general question in a specific case.
Wait, I'll tex both expressions, then you'll see what I mean
I know what you mean.
If we do integration by parts with $fg'$ we can take $g$ or $g+c$ as antiderivatives of $g'$.
Why do we get the same final answer if we use either one?
o/
18:15
howdy yall
oh actually I gotta run...
If we use $f(g+c)\big|_{x=a}^b - \int_a^b f'(g+c)\,dx$, note that the $c$'s cancel out.
@PVAL-inactive I'll tell you about the whiskies soon! I was a little underwhelmed by Laphroaig 18 :\
Hi/bye Danu
hi @PVAL
Hi @PVAL-inactive
18:16
@Danu I've spent a lot of time looking for 10CS to no avail...
@PVAL Your avatar is going haywire
I got a Lonach IB Laph 10yr at 46% which is probably at least better than the std 10.
@Silent I'm not convinced it's correct.
So we let R be a commutative ring with identity and let S = 1 + I be a multiplicatively closed set. I'm trying to establish a homeomorphism between m-spec(S^{-1}R) and m-spec(R/I). It seems relatively clear that there is a bijection between these sets, but I'm struggling with defining such a function so that I can show the homeomorphism.
So it seems that they both share a bijection with V(I) intersect with m-spec(R), where V(I) denotes all the prime ideals containing the ideal I. I think I can construct a homeomorphism from this intersection to m-spec(R/I), but the struggle is really showin
@TedShifrin I have edited it. I am sorry that I left it wrong for a while.
18:20
I is an R-ideal
Oh, I was going to give an example where $E\cap A = \emptyset$ but $E\cap\bar A = \{p\}$, but I guess that's not allowed.
@MatheiBoulomenos tell me the connections between AoC and abstract algebra
in other words what facts in abstract algebra depend on AoC?
@LeakyNun It gives the existence of maximal ideals in unital rings
The existence of algebraic closures
vector spaces having a basis....
18:22
the fact that you extend field homomorphisms in certain cases
@MatheiBoulomenos and the existence of automorphisms thereof?
I think also in Noetherian modules being finitely generated
No @BalarkaSen you don't need it for that
since when did Balarka cared about AoC
The fact that the rank of a free module is well-defined
(over a commutative ring)
18:23
@MatheiBoulomenos Well, you need countable choice for one of the equivalent conditions of being Noetherian
(hmm, or maybe choice in general, I forgot)
@MatheiBoulomenos Oh, maybe in that Noetherian being equivalent to a nonempty set of submodules having a maximum element
@BalarkaSen true, you need it for that
I confuzzled
Thanks
You don't need it for chain condition $\Leftrightarrow$ submodules finitely generated
right right
18:25
@user55789: You got very quiet. You understand what I did there?
@MatheiBoulomenos so let’s say you’re in Z7 and we consider x^7-x+1, what is the splitting field?
@User203940 So you want to show that a maximal ideal contains $I$ iff it has nothing in common with $1 + I$. One direction is clear to me, but not quite the other
Easy, its $\mathbb{F}_{7^7}$
and how do you know ZFC @MatheiBoulomenos
@MatheiBoulomenos must it be degree 2 in general?
for Zp in general
Really, @MatheiBoulomenos?
18:26
I edited
LOL, quite a change there.
Yeah, I'm dumb
Do we know that's irreducible?
@TedShifrin Yeah, sorry. I was working through the whole thing, I guess it's fine. I indeed missed a factor in the first part of the integral that would cancel. I'm a bit overworked. Thanks.
18:26
@TedShifrin it is: he gave me that as an exercise
I gave @LeakyNun a nice exercise that shows this
it works for p-char fields in general
Still can't wrap my head around this.

"John has 46 bookshelf meters of books in his library. The width of the books can be seen as independent random variables with expected value 1.8 cm and standard deviation 0.7 cm. Determine approximately the probability that John has more than 2 500 books!"

I want to use a sum $Y=4600=\sum_{i=1}^{n\in\mathbb{N}} X_i\sim N(1.8n,0.49n)$. I don't think that it can be solved that way. Any ideas or suggestions?
Sometimes, @user55789, it's clearer to see what's going on with the general case than with a nit-picky specific case.
@Leaky F_p[x] mod ideal by any irred poly is F_p^n
I think
18:27
poly of degree n, @Balarka, sure.
It follows from Artin-Schreier theory that this is irreducible
does anyone here do probability?
@MatheiBoulomenos I forgot all about that except the name
18:28
Maybe I'm out of luck here. Sound like a thread might be what I should go for.
@TedShifrin Tbh, I'm a TA in mathematics and I understand the whole shebang, I just missed the equality above for some reason
a household has on average 0.8 cars. what is the distribution of the number of cars for 100 households?
I'm not sure why, like I said, rushing things too quickly
@Silent: So I had a counterexample when I thought about $p\in E\cap\bar A$. But if $p$ is a limit point of $E\cap A$, then of course it's a limit point of $E$, hence belongs to $E$ and of course it belongs to $\bar A$, too.
Leaky, what? That's not the same question.
18:29
@BalarkaSen If we have a field $K$ of characteristic $p$, then for all $a \in K$, $x^p-x+a$ is irreducible iff it has no roots in $K$ and it has a cyclic Galois group
There are a lot more fancy things you can say
OK, @user55789. But it's good to think through the "theory" and know that it has to work, too :P
@Mathei That's p cool
It's really a case of abstract Kummer theory
Right, @Mathei, that's a famous example that I once knew but have long since forgotten. I never taught that far in undergraduate algebra.
@TedShifrin the argument is not that hard
18:30
@OskarTegby I ask my own question :p
It could easily be taught in undergrad algebra I think
@TedShifrin My reasoning for asking it on here was precisely that: It has to work, I'm not sure why it doesn't work now, talking through it with somebody can help understanding the matter
Hahah... Sorry! I thought... yeah.
I already covered way more in my course than anyone else who taught the course. We did plenty of stuff.
Damn, @Alessandro, we should make more progress on Morandi
18:31
But it doesn't work because I'm a dumdum and it's thursday evening
It's cool, Leaky. I don't like probability either.
@TedShifrin sounds nice
@User203940 Ahh, so if a maximal ideal $m$ does not contain $I$ then $m + I = R$ so there is some $x\in m$ and $y\in I$ with $x + y = 1$, so $x = 1 - y$ is an element that $m$ and $1 + I$ has in common
@OskarTegby I do like it
@TedShifrin I mean you could just do it as exercise
18:31
That's an exercise in D&F and probably every other book too.
OK, @user55789. LOL ... If you had started off saying you knew it had to work on general principle and you needed help finding a silly error, I would have responded differently.
Really? I'm more of an algebra fan. Everything is nice and sweet around there.
I like your taste @OskarTegby
@TobiasKildetoft Right, so this contradicts the maximality of m
Thanks, @Mathei
18:32
probably an exercise in The Art of the Deal too.
@User203940 No, that concludes that $m$ is not in the max-spec of the localized ring, which was what we wanted
I do not like D&F. Horrible textbook, good exercises
this shows precisely that those max-specs coincide
I like Lang better than D&F, he covers more stuff
Lang is unreadable unless you know everything already.
18:34
It's kind of like Conway. They explain every details in the proof, but give you no way to construct the proof or understand how it was constructed.
I love Aluffi
That's my opinion on D&F.
@PVAL That's a good description
categories are great
So they coincide, but how do I establish the homeomorphism between them?
18:34
I kinda liked Aluffi
Aluffi wastes paper on abstract nonsense.
I like trains.
Let's say that Aluffi respects but stays aloof from the concreteness.
@User203940 Both are naturally subsets of the spectrum of $R$ (or of the max-spec if you prefer)
"The introduction of the cipher 0 or the group concept was general nonsense too, and mathematics was more or less stagnating for thousands of years because nobody was around to take such childish steps..." - Grothendieck
18:37
@Mathei Words from the mouth of the person who took the most geometric approaches in algebraic geometry: etale theory.
Yeah not all abstraction is a waste of time.
Just what happens in Aluffi's book (at least for the audience its directed at).
Well, I already knew abstract algebra and wanted to have a more categorical viewpoint
I don't know, @PVAL, I think more books should explain eg short exact sequences when classifying groups.
Otherwise the whole Sylow theory looks like a whole clunky mess
That's what it felt to me
@MatheiBoulomenos could you give me exercises?
@Ted will probably disagree with me.
18:39
@LeakyNun Textbook.
but I have never seen Sylow's theorem used in any research since the classification of finite simple groups.
... to be honest I don't use it either
@PVAL-inactive They are used in practically all research in finite groups. But not outside that
@Tobias Is that an active field?
@PVAL-inactive Sure, though obviously not as much as it was before the classification was completed
18:41
My favorite proof of the fundamental theorem of algebra uses the Sylow theorems
I haven't really kept up much with it in the past few years
About what, @PVAL? ... Of course, I like and appreciate some abstraction, but I try to motivate it whenever I need to teach it.
what are some open problems in the field of abstract algebra (that uses term within my reach)?
@MatheiBoulomenos Gee ... aren't I surprised.
I meant about my insults on Sylow's theorem.
18:42
You still have to use a result from analysis, @Mathei.
I think you've disagreed with me on that in the past.
@MatheiBoulomenos Heheh, there are no 100% algebraic proofs of FTA
I just quite like that the existence theorem of Sylow subgroups is just about as general as one could ever possibly get for arbitrary finite groups
hmm, the Galois group of the algebraic completion of Q
I think people who do representation theory of finite groups use it, @PVAL.
But I don't care much for belaboring them ...
18:42
@LeakyNun That's not an open problem :P
That's just a group.
I formulate the proof as "if we have a real closed field, then the algebraic closure is obtained by adjoining a 4th root of unity", that is purely algebraic
you still need to use analysis to show that $\Bbb R$ is real closed
Well essentially everything I spent that much time on at that level seems unbelievably important in lots of different fields.
My favorite proof is still just doing the winding number argument.
except Sylow's stuff.
Just $\pi_1(\Bbb C - 0)$.
18:44
@BalarkaSen well according to Mathei, we have no idea how it looks like
@LeakyNun That's not true, there are explicit presentations of it...
@LeakyNun Sure, but that is a much too vague question
@MatheiBoulomenos Right. You need to know that any real polynomial of odd degree has a real root.
It's the representations of it that are really important
and is basically all of algebraic number theory
@LeakyNun You have not seen representations yet, right?
18:46
Try to prove if Thompson's group F is amenable? :^)
@LeakyNun as an exercise: Compute the degree of the splitting field of $x^6+x^3+1$ over $\mathbb{F}_p$ for $p \equiv 1 \pmod{9}$, $p \equiv 2 \pmod{9}$ and $p \equiv 7 \pmod{9}$
There are just way too many ways in which Gal(Q) is important
@BalarkaSen trivial group? :p
Huh? Gal(Q) means the absolute Galois group of Q
If f doesn't have any roots, neither does f'. So f is a submersion $S^2 \to S^2$ hence surjective.
18:48
@MatheiBoulomenos :o i saw the first half of the problem and was like “this again?”, then i saw the second half and was like “oh god”
thats my favorite proof of FTA.
@PVAL Ah, by extending the polynomial over to P^1, OK
@PVAL: I'm being dumb cuz my back hurts. Why can't $f'$ have roots if $f$ doesn't?
There's a small complex analysis argument along that line; there are no nonzero holomorphic functions on P^1
well if f'= (x-a)g(x)
er wait
18:50
I like the following: by Laurent series, $f$ has a removable singularity at infinity, thus we can lift it to a holomorphic map from the Riemann sphere to itself, this is an open map by the open mapping theorem, but also a closed map as the Riemann sphere is compact Hausdorff, thus the image is clopen, hence $f$ is surjective by connectedness
@MatheiBoulomenos Same as the one I gave wrote above :)
You had to write "meromorphic functions", not "holomorphic" if the image is P^1 again
@PVAL: That's certainly easily false $/\Bbb R$.
@MatheiBoulomenos If the image misses zero it's holomorphic to C.
It's an actual holomorphic function P^1 --> C
I see, but then it's a different argument
18:52
And only constants are there
By nonzero I actually meant nonconstant lol
I think @Mathei's argument is fine and doesn't need any contradiction.
the more i think about mathematics, the more amazed i am by how the entirety of mathematics can be built upon 8 axioms
Whoever starred PVAL's proof, please explain it to me.
That's clearly nonsense, Leaky.
I didn't
@TedShifrin why?
18:54
There are more than 8 axioms needed for just $\Bbb R$, not to mention for sophisticated mathematics.
@MatheiBoulomenos Well, your argument is exactly the one used to prove holomorphic functions on compact Riemann surfaces are constant.
@TedShifrin depends on what you consider axioms and what you consider definitions
@TedShifrin hmm? R can be constructed in ZF :)
Think of a map M --> C as a map M --> P^1 by composing with the chart C --> P^1 at zero
Then use open mapping theorem + compactness of M
I know that argument
18:56
OK, i withdraw from this discussion. I should have kept my mouth closed.
But, before I leave, I would like to understand PVAL's proof. Someone ping me when it's resolved.
But there's a difference between the statements "any non-constant holomorphic function P^1 -> P^1$ is surjective and "any holomorphic function P^1 -> C is constant"
So the proofs are not the same
It's essentially equivalent, is my point
even if you use the same theorems
But sure, it's just a reparse
@Ted Think i done goofed
18:58
Well, my wording doesn't use any contradiction
But I agree, it's very similar
sure sure sure
I agree that it's different
"morally equivalent" might be a better word
I thought I had some proof that didn't use open mapping of singular holomorphic functions though.
so I might have messed it up.
@BalarkaSen I saw your message only now. That's true but I'm very busy with uni, I have six courses this semester :/
@Alessandro Ah I suspected you were busy. It's OK :)
Well Galois Theory is one of those six, but still

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