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Off I go to walk Lilly. BBL
Rob
Rob
later
Heh.. I got a vote 4 seconds after the start of April 1
also ymar is inconsiderate for starring me the other day
Hmmm?
I won't flag that provided you edit it out!
sidebar
Don't feel bad. I suck at math.
But, it is a previlege to have a message starred as interesting, no?
Not when it is making fun of me
Can someone verify something for me?
Yes, if they are about your conjecture for a group : )
00:06
My conjecture for a group?
You usually post some facts about groups, no?
(Or I am confusing b/n the users here.)
@KannappanSampath Yes, sometimes. But I usually don't know they are facts yet.
However this time I have a topology question
: ) Topology I don't know.
Suppose I have $$U\cap\left(\bigcup_{j\in\mathbb{Z}_{+}}A_{j}\right)=\bigcup_{j\in\mathbb{Z}_{+‌​}}\left(U\cap A_{j}\right)\neq\varnothing$$
@DavidK Did you hear this ping as you used to?
If you heard it, please ping me back.
00:10
I still dont know the limit as x apporaches 1 of x^a - ax + a - 1 over (x-1)^2 it seems impossible to calculate
@KannappanSampath As I used to?
OK. I heard your ping. It was strange that I was not hearing the pings but I usually hear a distinct bong when I am mentioned in the room.
This merely implies that for some integer $j$, $U\cap A_{j}\neq\varnothing$ right?
To Bed. After. A productive Day.
byebye
00:12
@DavidK Yes.
Rob
Rob
@robjohn Darth Raider goes to the Dark Side of the Moon.
I hate stewart so much
never explains anything and he never gives examples
just expects you to magic the answes
I just dont get it
the answer is impossible, it can never be 1/2a(a-1) the author has to be wrong
I cant read the $$ stuff
Oh right!
Can you read that?
00:21
yes
so I get ax^a-1 -a +1
and then (a-1)(a)x^a-2 -1
I think that is correct, and then at that point the denominator is 2
@KannappanSampath sorry, no intent in this direction...
how is that possible? There has to be a -1
@Jordan Are you using L'Hospital's Rule?
yes
00:29
Hang on, and I'll work it out for you.
I did the math on it, I just dont know what I did wrong
omfg, I got it
I am so incredibly bad at math, I got it though, I kept making the derivative of a into 1
@Jordan It happens. Don't be so hard on yourself. Be glad you got it!
yeah but I always make these mistakes every time, seems like everyone here always gets the answer on the first try but it takes me dozens
@Jordan The people here have had many many years of practice. And we have made the same mistakes you make, many many times.
@Jordan Math is like anything else, it takes lots and lots of practice.
00:46
I just get really frustrated because I am old enough where this stuff should be easy
00:59
Someone practiced in homological algebra, tell me if I'm wrong: if I have a contracting homotopy on a chain complex $C_\bullet$, then won't I get a contracting homotopy on the cochain complex $\textrm{Hom}(C_\bullet, A)$?
01:11
hello
01:54
only the coolest people spend their saturday nights in math chatrooms
I've hosted small drinking parties and been in math chatrooms simultaneously. Unfortunately, they cancelled out and I was unable to enjoy either.
lol
@BrianMScott if you happen to see this -- made some progress -- curious what you'd think
(a) Can low-rep users edit their own questions/answers? (b) It's 50 reputation to comment on SE sites, right?
02:27
(c) Do upper/lower triangular matrices have a geometric interpretation?
02:45
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@anon I'm sure you realised this already, but: A linear G-action is a map $G \times V \to V$, while a homomorphism from G to GL(V) is a map $G \to (V \to V)$ (using some idiosyncratic notation). They are not the same, but they aren't that different either... However, I agree an introductory text ought to explain the connection.
Yes.
 
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04:32
@anon If they're invertible, you could think of them as preserving a certain complete flag in your vector space.
@Dylan: Thanks, that sounds right.
05:09
if they are not invertible, the same is true, for an appropriate value of «preserve».
05:26
zzz
05:53
Hi
06:29
hi
hey guys
Our analysis lecturer said in class yesterday by the contraction mapping principle the function $f(x) = x$ defined on any interval $I$ of $\Bbb{R}$ has a unique fixed point
Don't we need that the interval $I$ be closed (and hence complete) in order for the contraction mapping principle to apply?
06:46
@Srivatsan Can you send me that link again? It was the link on Arturo's answer talking about how in mathematics, we have like the intersection of all closed sets containing a set A to be the smallest closed set containing it
Contraction mapping principle requires a complete metric space, so any closed subset of $\mathbb{R}$ will do.
As for the intersection thing, that has to do with universal Horn sentences.
07:15
Hello guys, happy April fools, everyone!
07:42
Indeed.
@ZhenLin yes I don't think that we can just apply it to any interval $I$
@ZhenLin Do you have the link?
Well, obviously. Take $f$ to be the function $x \mapsto x / 2$ on the interval $(0, 1)$.
The reddit time-machine thingy is awesome, now I am addicted to it tho
08:22
@ZhenLin The only fixed point is 0 which is outside of the interval?
 
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09:27
@MattN Yes, what do you need to know about them?
@MattN Well I know the definition. But why do we introduce them?
We want to study properties of subsets $A$ of an ambient group $Z$. Now if $A$ is contained in a subgroup of $Z$ then some nice identities hold. For example, if $A$ is itself a subgroup of $Z$ we get $$ \widehat{\chi_A} = \textbf{P}_Z(A) \chi_{A^\bot}$$
Unfortunately, not all ambient groups have subgroups (take for example $Z = Z_p$ for $p$ prime). In this case we can "save" ourselves and still get some nice identities by introducing Bohr sets which in some sense are a generalisation of subgroups of $Z$.
Thanks, Matt. That was helpful.
09:51
@MattN: too much of the sun today in Zurich?
@Ilya There is indeed too much sun here. But why are you asking?
come on' you were talking with yourself :)
Was I? Well that's what happens when I'm being ignored.
icic
@MattN: you think, it is admissible?
in our 10 minutes discussion you've deleted half of your messages :)
@Ilya Do you mean permissible?
If yes, then no.
09:59
I may think that you were rude with me there
@Ilya Where?
what would mean the trunk for him?
@MattN in deleted messages
@Ilya I was.
@MattN You were rude to me there? How should I stand it?
@Ilya Just joking.
@Ilya You can't stand it.
You're too quick.
Can you flash it again?
10:03
that was just nonsense :)
I have to go and write stuff about Bohr sets and spectra.
@MattN: good luck. In one week I'll have to rehearse my presentation for Chinese conference
See you later.
@MattN why do we have 2 Robjohns?
10:21
@Ilya anon morphed into robjohn...
This unicorn-pony is utterly annoying:
@tb: I saw it only today once
Why do they annoy long-time users with such things?
Unicorns and kittens:
(damn. beat me to it.)
kittens I liked
but saw only on your snapshot
10:25
@tb: what? anon morhped into rob? wth
@Ilya -> chrome + adblock
@tb: are you kidding me?
but why?
no idea. For the fun of it?
whatever
10:32
@tb: that's all because of the sun
@Ilya Apparently...
I'm not sure if that's going to work (the removed bit)
Okay, I gotta go again, and Will will not be pleased with all those removed messages the three of us left. So I'm going to avoid further annoyance.
 
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12:15
Looks like Ilya is bored. : )
Rob
Rob
12:53
@FortuonPaendrag hi
Rob
Rob
how's it going
Pretty well, thank you.
Rob
Rob
would explain this 3 starred message
It was me that flagged Rob's "Then you fail. " post as offensive, because it seemed to me to be offensive to Kannappan.
I think I made my statement clear. What do you want to know.
Rob
Rob
12:57
who are you to judge what is offensive to others?
I deem Kannappan my friend. I think this conversation is at an end. Thanks.
Rob
Rob
you're welcome
Rob
Rob
13:09
@balpha hi
@MattN or.. shall I say... bohred
2
8D
@Daniil Now you stole the joke I was planning to make : )
Oh well.
Rob
Rob
@Daniil If I deemed Ilya my friend I would flag that message as offensive, "because it seemed to me to be offensive to" Ilya ;-) but my name is not Fortuon...
@Rob howdy
Rob
Rob
13:24
@balpha how's it going?
a bit tired, but otherwise great
13:46
@Daniil I'm Bohred too.
$\cos x -x =0$
how to solve something like that?
is it very hard?
14:43
hello
 
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Time to panic.
Hello everybody! Tell me please, how to denote the geometric difference operation in latex?
I don't even know what that is.
By definition $A '-' B = \{ x : B + x \in A \}$
It is also known as Pontryagin's difference
I'm not sure there's special notation for that. You'll just have to pick a symbol you want to use and explain it in context.
16:02
:( there is: it is the dot over the dash
Jean Bourgain is really cool.
Why not use minus?
@JonasTeuwen Heh. I just had a look at one of his papers.
Which one?
He has quadzillion.
@JonasTeuwen "On triples in arithmetic progression"
Oh, I was reading the sumfree one.
16:03
I think it should have an 's' at the end but there isn't.
You should use Mendeley, then we can share cool papers.
@Nimza: \dot{-} = $\dot{-}$
@MattN we can't use minus because it is the Minkowski difference. Thank you @robjohn :) i'm stupid
Fake robjohn, that is : )
Gotcha!
sssssshhhhhhhh
16:06
: )
Hello you.
Hello.
I was wondering if you guys could check something for me and tell me if I'm missing something very simple.
Sure.
What is it?
16:08
In this answer by mixedmath, he says "For a nontrivial sum of consecutive natural numbers to be even, there must an an odd number of terms." But of course 13 + 14 + 15 + 16 + 17 + 18 is even, so unless he's using a different definition of "nontrivial"...
+ 19
er
13 + 14 + 15 + 16
any sum with 4k terms
that is not even
13 + 14 + 15 + 16 = 58
oh nvm
sorry :)
Yes, I believe mixedmath's answer is incorrect.
16:14
Mixedmath has it backwards: a sum of an even number of numbers is even, while the sum of an odd number of numbers can be either even or odd.
Either can be even or odd, I think. (As my accidental example above shows)
derp. robjohn sucks at arithmetic.
So do the 12 people who upvoted the question!
answer*
anyone good with algorithms?
@robjohn (the 2nd) could you please take care of this? It is exactly the same question by the same OP posted within a few hours, hence nothing will be lost by a deletion.
16:27
Done.
Thanks
lol, David had the same answer on both
hmmm. I have two answers on a question, one with 0 votes, the other deleted with 1 upvote. If I wanted to I could do a transplant...
April fools day -- overdoing it:
Yeah, that got me too.
16:39
@tb he did, or should I say, I did?
How do I get that?
Yes, I think I should say I did.
@MattN When I saw that, it was still March 31
Aha. Grumpy is here. disappears behind the cupboard
@robjohn I'm bored of it already. Couldn't they come up with something that's actually funny?
@ZhenLin You put a 't' followed by a 'hat' 'that' :-)
16:40
Hello you robjohns, btw.
@MattN hi there :-)
Wait wait wait I just noticed we have two robjohns here.
What is going on?
@ZhenLin Just visit the site.
glitch
I don't see it.
16:41
Two robjohn's are better than one!
O rly
Ya rly.
@AlexBecker There are two of me? I must have undergone mitosis overnight...
@ZhenLin what don't you see?
No unicorn-pony-clippy.
@robjohn @robjohn That would make you a single-celled organism, wouldn't it?
16:44
@AlexBecker Wow, something else I must have never noticed... That would explain the pseudopods I've been using for typing.
@ZhenLin I don't see it anymore. I only saw it for about 5 minutes.
Perhaps it only visits some users. Or maybe because it's 2 April here already...
@ZhenLin could be, but I only saw it on March 31 here.
Why the chat windoe showing two Robjohns with identical icons and profile too ??
Hi @rob
16:55
@robjohn's Narcissus fantasy has finally come true.
@RajeshD Really? I don't see it. It must be an April Fool's Day joke by the mods or devs.
where do the two of me appear? In the gravatar bar?
Yes and they picked you
one after my icon (second) and one after Jonas's icon
Do you see anon's icon on the bar?
I see it right after Jonas' and before Mariano's
no
there is no anon's icon in my PC
Let me refresh...
16:59
Indeed, that is me. Are you saying my icon is that of robjohn, @Rajesh?
Hmmm
I am really confused...Am I dreaming
I think one of the three mods present is playing fun with us :-)
is that you @anon ?
But still one of you is Rob and the other anon...but this info is not fully helpful....how to figure out who is who
I can tell :-)
ofcourse :-)
But how can you convince me
17:05
:/
I even had a clue up for a bit (but it is deleted now)
i saw it
but i can't keep checking for it
@robjohn Thanks for that :-)
But why for me it is appearing like that
17:08
The joke's on anon :-)
what the ?!?
Lets see what @Ilya does
got to go bye
@RajeshD see you later.
I have to go to the grocery store. be back in a bit.
enjoy the confusion :-)
So if we could figure out the distances to the nearest grocery store for both anon and robjohn we could estimate average trip times. Then, when that robjohn comes back, we might be able to guess which one he is based on how long he was gone.
17:47
Mathematical adjectives are a mess. One must accept this.
In Spanish we say that a sequence is "de Cauchy", short for "belongs to the class of Cauchy".
It works pretty well
we do butcher the language when trying to copy some things from English, though
18:34
any luck in figuring the situation?
Quiet night today, huh. But hang in there: I've only got one more proof to write. Then I'll be back and in a very good mood : )
@MattN Isn't that trivial? Eventually the sequence will drop in absolute value below $1$.
@MattN It is just morning here, though it is such a beautiful spring day, my wife and I will probably go out to Descanso Gardens.
It might snow here next week...
@robjohn Looks nice :-). Have fun!
18:53
@JonasTeuwen I will finish one answer and then we'll go :-)
19:12
There. Now, we're off. See y'all later.
19:25
Hello, we have to prove if the sentence below is true or false:

If $ f(n) = o(g(n))$ then $2(^(f(n))) = o(2(^(g(n)))) $

I tried to prove this wrong, by stating that it's false and then reach to something untrue, but I am not sure about it..

Because $log(x)$ is increasing in (-00, +00) I did this:

$ f(n) < c * g(n) =>
f(n) < log_2( c * 2^(g(n))) = log_2(c) + g(n)$ (I've reached up to here)
Simple counterexample: $f(n):=1/n, g(n):=1$.
Here: "
If f(n)=o(g(n)) then 2((f(n)))=o(2((g(n)))) " I mean this:
if f(n) = o(g(n)) then 2^(f(n)) = o ( 2^( g(n) ) )

Still the same counterexample is true?
@Chris: You should try thinking about it. I knew you were trying to write 2^{f(n)} (you need curly brackets to put things in exponents), not 2*f(n). If you think what I wrote is a counterexample to if f(n)=o(g(n)) then 2f(n)=o(2g(n)) then I'm not sure you're even trying.
19:46
@robjohn: Thank you for pointing this out to me (about the curly brackets). Yes, you're right, I am a bit off now, as I've been studying for several hours. I've done this:

$ 1/n < c*2 => 2^{1/2}/2 < c => 2^{-1/2} < c => 1/SquareRoot(2) < c $
Which for $c=1$ is not true.
So the statement is false.
\sqrt for square roots. use \cdot for multiplication. \implies for logical implication.
Anyway, I have no idea what you're doing, or how it relates to little-o notation.
also, \log for logarithms.
Where can I find these functions?
I didn't get this " \implies for logical implication ".
We have been given the 1st assignment on algorithms and complexity course and there was a question in which we had to prove if the statements where false/true.
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