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23:00
And then you come up with that bound now that you know this is what you need to do
I've seen in some books that they throw a bunch of seemingly random bounds at the beginning of the proof and then invoke them like black magic once they're needed
Well, that's the problem with analysis teaching/writing.
That's not the way I taught.
But people write books to be in final, slick form.
There was no way I would ever read a proof that if $a_n \to L \ne 0$, that $\frac{1}{a_n} \to \frac{1}{L}$ unless I had to grade it at the end.
I taught my Spivak students to write these sorts of proofs in two passes. "Scratchwork" where you discover what's the right bounds ... and then "official proof" where you basically reorganize and write a polished sentence.
Well, @PVAL, you may end up teaching such things in the not-too-distant future ... Then you'll read ... :P
Books are interesting.
There's something to be said about having a real dependence of \epsilon on \delta.
23:06
I find myself often picking up books and enjoying them, but feeling as though I have to read them and ultimately enjoying the experience less. Further exemplified by my latest reading of Anna Karenina, where I would enjoy it every time I picked it up, but felt that I was not reading it fast enough. So, I read it less often out of discontent.
We also used rectangles for Morera. I'm still confused though, but it's 1AM and I'm too tired to think about it, maybe it'll make more sense after some sleep
Huh? @PVAL
Buono notte, Alessandro. (I probably messed that one up too.)
I mean having an actual range you can vary the inputs in order to restrict the variance of the outputs
Buona because notte is female, but it's correct apart from that!
when doing a limit/ continuity problem or something of that nature.
23:07
Get some sleep, @AlessandroCodenotti !
LOL ... I should know that from French, Alessandro :P
It's female in German as well, even though Italian and German disagree very often on the gender of nouns
Yup. But I would trust romance languages for one another more than German/Russian, etc.
@Ted I'm reading the lecture notes right now for complex today and Morera is presented straight up as FTC
Yeah Italian and French should have similar genders, but my knowledge of French is very limited
23:11
well, the proof is, yes, Demonark, pretty much.
You construct an antiderivative integrating along a path, which is a very FTC-y thing to do
He goes and he says okay, if integrals on loops are zero, then you have path independence, so the notion of $F(z) = \int_{z_0}^z f(\xi)d\xi$ makes sense. Now, $f$ is continuous, so if only you had FTC and could say that $f$ being continuous implies $F$ is analytic and $F' = f$, then you're done because then $f$ is as well. But oh look here you DO have it! :D
French is hard, 5 years of formal french education and I can say "Hello, my name is Nate, how are you? Can I have a baguette?"
And count to 10.
But can you read SGA?
As we've said, you don't need arbitrary loops. Triangles or rectangles will do. Occasionally that's significant.
Nate: After 4 years of high school French I was fluent, pretty much. Depends on the person.
And I wrote 30-page papers in French in college French lit courses, too.
23:14
@PVAL-inactive What's that?
@Ted show off
@PVAL: You knew that about me :P
A math thing written in French.
@PVAL-inactive French is the easiest part of that thing
@PVAL-inactive Just read Hartshorne in English tho!
:P
23:16
True, Ted. But all Canadian students must take 5 years of french, and I have yet to meet someone who has taken the minimum 5 who is fluent.
Though, if they took all 4 years in high school, they are very much so fluent.
That's absurd, Nate. I mean there must be a few who are language-talented.
Oh, I assumed you meant high school.
It is absurd.
I don't think Hartshrone overlaps with SGA too much.
I believe it is the curriculum.
You take french from grade 4 to grade 9.
Hartshorne probably overlaps with the earlier EGAs and SGA builds on that.
23:17
Oh God
It's better to start young, Nate, but those 5 years aren't as rigorous as a serious bunch of high school French.
Right. I agree.
Hello @TedShifrin
hi @Kasmir
23:20
4.4% of Ontarians are fluent in french.
I know you told me that you are not right person to ask about generating functions , but why is 1+x+x^2+...... = 1/ (1-x)
Whoa
@Daminark yelloha
3.7% of Americans are fluent in English.
Lmfao.
23:21
Hey @Kasmir!
And that's actually a calculus thing in general, as in Taylor series
@PVAL you're feeling generous today
Yes but here they dont specify what values of x
that thing only make sense when its in the radius of convergence
Well, this is a power series centered at 0, right?
That's not even calculus. That's high school
@KasmirKhaan approximate the left side by a finite sum and multiply 1-x by both sides.
23:23
$\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} x^n$, so $a_n = 1$
@Ted well its calculus when the left-hand sum is infinite...
I think I did nto make myself clear
So now, how do you find the radius of convergence out of the $a_n$?
In general?
well am aware of that identity
but here on the topic of generating functions
they told us not to care about the value of x
its like place holder
Oh they're treating it as a formal power series then
23:24
hmm what is that? :)
Right. I used the phrase formal power series 3 days ago.
It means you don't worry about convergence.
what is the difference?
Hi, DogAteMy.
So, when you think of power series normally, you have to care about the radius of convergence
23:25
Re: the grammatical gender thing, I think different Romance languages have different genders for "salt"
$\frac{1}{\limsup \sqrt[n]{|a_n|}}$
That thing
Oh hmm okay
Anyway, otherwise, think about it like this
A power series is just a sequence of numbers, right?
(Also, fun fact, in Hebrew, "etz" is masculine and means tree, whereas "ilan" is feminine and means tree)
Salt is masculine in French. Since I don't know Spanish or Italian ...
23:26
Yes @Daminark
Feminine in Spanish @TedShifrin
Like, assume you're writing it in order of coefficients of $1,x,x^2,\ldots$, you get $(a_0,a_1,a_2,\ldots)\in\mathbb{R}^{\omega}$ fully contains the information
Now, the idea is that you think about a power series as such
OK, DogAteMy, so you win :) And you worked in your Spanish knowledge, too, even though you're supposed not to be here for another month :P
Yeah no that promise is dead
guys am gonan post the question my teacher posted after the lecture of generating functions , yall be surprised
23:28
Also, fun fact, there are some languages in Uganda that have eleven grammatical genders. (Here we should think of these as "classes of nouns" rather than anything relating to human biology.) The verbs and adjectives all change depending on the gender of the noun, and they all have different pluralization rules
Similarly, polynomials $\mathbb{R}[t]$ are ones where all but finitely many of the $a_i$ are 0
And formally you don't think about them as functions, just as sequences. It's relevant in the power series case when worrying about convergence (and other things I'm sure)
x_1+x_2 +....+x_5 = r
, where x_1 >= 3 ,
2=<x_2 <= 4 ,
x_3 <= 2 ,
x_4 is even ,
x_5 is odd
is every normal subgroub of a group G a subset of Z(G)? where Z(G) is the center of G
Ah, the word I want is "Bantu"
In linear algebra this is also important, since over finite fields you can have different polynomials associated to a single polynomial function.
23:30
Bantu languages
@edcharlie Hell no.
And people studying Bantu languages generally call it "noun classes" rather than "grammatical gender" even though it's the same thing
@edcharlie $G$ is its own normal subgroup, but even in the proper case, do normal subgroups have to be abelian?
Is A_n abelian?
Oh, and apparently Luganda only has ten, not eleven of them
23:31
That should somehow be the protypical example of a normal subgroup
for finite groups at least.
A_n is not thanks
or C_n in D_n
@arctic I'm assuming $D_n$ is the dihedral group? And what's $C_n$?
the cyclic subgroup is normal but not central in a dihedral group
heya tern :)
23:33
Find the number of solutions : x_1+x_2 +....+x_5 = r
, where x_1 >= 3 ,
2=<x_2 <= 4 ,
x_3 <= 2 ,
x_4 is even ,
x_5 is odd
@TedShifrin @AkivaWeinberger @Daminark
I should say that this came right after the topic of generating functions
well, find the corresponding generating functions to multiply together
I'm leaving. I have a tart to bake.
hmm what I dont get is why does that work ? @arctictern
@TedShifrin Have a nice evning :)
23:35
Bubye.
Cyclic is the one of index 2, right? (As you may gather, I don't know much about the dihedral group :P)
(z^3+z^4+z^5...) (z^2+z^3+z^4) (1+z+z^2) (1+z^2+z^4+...) (z+z^3+z^5+...)
See you @Ted!
@Daminark yes, the rotations
@KasmirKhaan it works because of the distributive property and collecting like terms
@arctictern hmm can you plaese explain to me why it works?
and what does those came from ?
23:37
In fact if $p$ is the smallest prime dividing $n$ then every subgroup of G with |G|=n of index p is normal.
@KasmirKhaan for example, (1+z+z^2)(z^5+z^7+z^9) will be the generating function whose z^k coefficient is the number of solutions to u_1+u_2=k where u_1 is in {0,1,2} and u_2 is in {5,7,9}. does that make sense?
@TedShifrin have fun baking your tart.
Am thinking about it atm please 1 min
@arctictern nope that made no sense to me
@KasmirKhaan have you ever multiplied out polynomials before?
yes ofc @arctictern but I dotn know where did you get those values
23:41
for example, when you multiply out (1+z+z^2)(z^5+z^7+z^9), the terms will be of the form (z^a)(z^b), i.e. z^(a+b), where a is from {0,1,2} and b is from {5,7,9}. does that make sense?
(1+z+z^2) can be thought of as (z^0+z^1+z^2) by the way
okay am gonna do your example and see what I can see
but when you combine like terms, you will be counting how many z^k you can get as z^(a+b) where a is from {01,2} and {5,7,9}
Can you please give me specific numbers?¨
like u_1+u_2 = 5
I did give you specific numbers.
with some conditions
23:44
for example, the z^7 coefficient is 2 since it is (z^0)(z^7) and (z^2)(z^5) combined together, corresponding to the solutions 0+7=7 and 2+5=7. (specifically, solutions to the system u_1+u_2=7 where u_1 is in {0,1,2} and u_2 is in {5,7,9})
hmm okay im gonna save this conversation and re-read the book and re-watch the lecture, hope it makes more sense, and THANKS ALOT !! :) @arctictern
If anyone know good lectures about generating functions that would be very nice :)
@PVAL-inactive That's neat
@Ted when you see this, the very next thing to happen in the notes was using Morera to prove that uniform limits of analytic functions are analytic, which is rather convenient
How do you prove that, with integrals?
I forget what Morera is
Googles
Morera says that if $f$ is continuous and its integral over loops is 0, then it's analytic
23:58
So if $f_n$ converges uniformly to $f$ and are analytic, and $\gamma$ is a closed rectifiable curve, uniformity lets you swap integrals and limits
Why is "continuous" necessary there?
Would it be true up to removable discontinuities?
So $0 = \lim_{n\to\infty} \int_{\gamma} f_n = \int_{\gamma} f$
hi
Or, rather, measure-zero discontinuities
That wouldn't surprise me
Perhaps isolated points?

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