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22:00
KA.
@tb What. Title. Would. You. Want. It. To. Have.?
While I tend to agree with Mariano here, I think bounties have triggered a few of the most impressive answers on this site.
@JonasTeuwen Something. With. Change. Of. Variables. Or. Substitution. I. Must. Say. I. Liked. My. Title.
Why. Do. We. Put. Periods. After. Every. Word.?
There. Is. Probably. Alcohol. Involved.
22:08
Because. We. Like. Autoflaggelation.
@Gigili Please accept this rose as my apology for misusing green.
Lmao, I hadn't seen the revision history : D
@JonasTeuwen Not here, but I'll stop that. It slows me down too much.
Yes, true. is easy to script. One line Python!
@tb Would you point me to a dictionary entry for autoflaggelation, please?
22:10
@Skullpatrol Whoa, you take everything too seriously. I'm surprised and =|.
@Skullpatrol Can you make me that green too?
@MattN Frenchism. Here
@Gigili Is it a pleasant sort of surprise?
@tb öpfeli-f for "auto" yields zero matches.
22:14
@JonasTeuwen That is a very nice bike, where did you get it?
From the bike store.
@Skullpatrol It is it is. You're free to misuse the color, I changed my mind.
My Precious.
My Delicious
My dishes.
22:15
My fishes
Oh noes!
@MattN Don't know what öpfeli-f does but autoflagéler is a French verb with associated noun ending in -tion. Not very common or widespread.
@tb It does a search! : ) As in ctrl-f on Windows. : )
A Matt with an 's' instead of 't', extremely interesting.
@MattN probably on Chrome... Anyway: my only point was that it is very painful to type a period after every word if you're too lazy to write a script for that.
@JonasTeuwen Thanks for the edit.
22:21
Postman Matt, Postman Matt,
Postman matt and his red and white hat,
Early in the morning, Just as day is dawning,
He answers all the post on the site
props for postman Matt.
@tb No. Does it everywhere. Never mind though, got your point : ) Be patient with the slow.
I'm allergic to removed messages.
Postman Matt, Postman Matt,
Postman Matt and his red and white hat,
All the birds are singing, and the day is just beginning.
Matt feels he's a really happy man.
22:23
Everybody knows his bright red avatar,
All his friends will smile as he waves to greet them,
Maybe... You can never be sure,
There'll be knock...[knock knock] Ring [ring ring]
Theorems through your door.
@Gigili Are you? Here's one for you:
Stop it!!! (NOTremoved)
@JonasTeuwen Like so?
22:26
^ Is that Asaf?
Hi Henning!
@MattN Wow! I'll go to the hairdresser tomorrow.
Hi @HenningMakholm
@Gigili Å?
Hi.
Hi there.
22:27
@tb ?!
@JonasTeuwen This.
Oh, I remember that...
'Ello Hennning.
What? You're supposed to work on the latest project.
22:30
Sorry, I only saw now.
@MattN The inevitable conclusion:
NÖ.
22:31
@HenningMakholm : D
League Of Legends
I should definitely get a green moustache.
What is happening here? ...
@Gigili Is that what Icelandic cows say? Nöööööö!
@JonasTeuwen Do not forget the afro
22:33
Ok. Last one. Now I'm bored.
me to
but was fun, while it lasted
@HenningMakholm Um, Isn't it German? Please? I like everything related to Germany.
@Gigili It is. It's equivalent for Nein.
Even outside Bavaria.
:)
I guessed so, right.
22:35
@Gigili They use ö's in German too, among other chiefly North European languages.
Do you like Brätẅürst?
What does the umlaut on a w do?
I have no clue.
Bratwürste?
It indicates St. Gallen pronunciation...
22:37
You're the one with an umlauty language...
@tb Which is?
@JonasTeuwen I appologize for the following image jonas
Now I'm curious.
22:41
You should get one of those mustashes.
There is not enough green.
Hi @Jeff
Hi all.
Hi @Skull
No, I'd like a manly beard like the one Henning has.
Especially hi @Henning!
@H <-- answered my backgammon question. (But I'm still thinking about it.)
@Jeff Hello.
@MattN What do you mean by Norbert question? (More what is a typical by norberts questions ?)
@HenningMakholm FYI: I have wondered about that question for years. You could say it's the reason I decided to go back to school and get a math degree.
@Jeff I see from the chat transcript that I may have used too much jargon in the answer -- sorry for that.
22:44
No, just pointing it out.
Entirely unnecessarily.
@HenningMakholm that's cool. i'll figure it out (possibly with help of people in here). I have lots more to say on the subject...
A friend of mine was over the other day and we were discussing your answer.
But today I need a Number Theory helper. Anyone in here good at Number Theory (elementary number theory)?
Shut up woman, get up my horse.
@Jeff If you can word the question in a single chat line, just shoot it out. (Otherwise it might be better suited for the main site).
@Henning My questions are always too simple to post for the geniuses on this site (plus, I like to interact and ask questions about the answer). Anyway, here goes:
Hi @PaulSlevin
22:48
Hello
I wonder how Asaf will respond to the starred messages
Show that $(p-1)(p-2) \cdots (p-4) \equiv (-1)^{r}r! \pmod{p}$, for $r=1,2, \ldots, p-1$.
That is in the chapter on Fermat's Theorem and Wilson's theorem. It is not my homework, but I will be helping someone else who's homework it is.
@Jeff Hm, there's no r to the left of the \equiv. Should the end factor have been (p-r) instead of (p-4)?
@Skullpatrol This looks like Dr Zaius from Planet of the Apes
@rob I made a typo :(. See the $4$? That should be $r$ (which is right below $4$ on the keyboard).
I can't edit it anymore. i'll retype it
Show that $(p-1)(p-2) \cdots (p-r) \equiv (-1)^{r}r! \pmod{p}$, for $r=1,2, \ldots, p-1$.
This question is similar to Wilson's Thm: $p$ is prime, $(p-1)! \equiv -1 \pmod{p}$
22:54
@Jeff Working modulo p we have (-1)^r r! = (-1)^r·1·2·3···r = (-1)(-2)(-3)···(-r). Then change each factor to a different representative of the residue class to get the product on the left.
@robjohn Yes, it does.
@HenningMakholm if $r$ is odd only
@Jeff Why so? (-1)^r contains exactly enough minuses to distribute among the factors in the factorial.
@HenningMakholm oh. i see (duh!) :D
OK. so $(-1)(-2)(-3)···(-r)$ is RHS. but $-1 \equiv p-1,\ -2 \equiv p-2$, etc... (I'm thinking out loud)
then we can cancel the first $r$ of those with the ones on the left (so long as the canceling terms are coprime with $p$, which is a prime number).
@Jeff That is true. What is causing difficulty?
22:59
oh wait! then we're done. there's only $r$ terms on the RHS also. I get it!
nothing anymore. for some reason my head was thinking p! or something else on the RHS. but it's the same number of terms. i got it.
Bleh, I have only one reference for the induced coverage on a subcategory and the author writes that it is straightforward to verify that it is a Grothendieck topology if the original coverage was...
that was easy (what I always say after I learn something in math) :D
Thanks @HenningMakholm
I have one more problem to figure out. But I'm going to think about it for a few before asking.
@Jeff Remember when I said there was a proof of the Pythagorean theorem that even a 5th grader could understand?
@Skullpatrol yeah
Well anon was so kind to point it out here math.stackexchange.com/questions/103758/…
23:03
but before you continue, have you seen this page yet: cut-the-knot.org/pythagoras
this answer has a different look than the others :-)
@Jeff You don't need to think in terms of canceling. Canceling is inferring from ab=ac to b=c. Here you need the simpler rule: a=b infers ac=bc, which does not depend on coprimality.
I'm off to bed, good night.
Good night!
23:06
@HenningMakholm I don't see the difference?
Good night.
@Gigili good night
@tb hey there. I didn't know you were here :-)
@robjohn Oh, I was. I was looking for an audio file for Henning, but I found nothing convincing...
You're still around, so I'll assume you saw my ad for Norbert's question?
(Of course you had seen it already, since you see everything.)
yes, I've seen it. We had quite a long discussion last night and that's apparently what he really wanted to ask.
But thanks
23:08
@Jeff One says that if you know an equation between products, you can derive an equality between the factors, under certain conditions. In the other you start with knowing an equality between some factors and derive the fact that two products are equal. There are no extra conditions in the latter direction.
@tb Just as well; I only have a functioning sound card setup at work.
I want to learn some Scandinavian language, but I'm in doubt which one I will take.
Never been there anyway.
@JonasTeuwen Sami?
@HenningMakholm ok.
@HenningMakholm Well, it would be nice if I could actually use it sometime 8-). Maybe Finnish.
Has there been an increase of flags recently or are the moderators just a bit absent? Every other time I visit the main site I see this yellow bullet light up...
23:11
@JonasTeuwen You'll meet your umlaut quota that way, certainly.
But they don't have w-umlaut, do they? :)
Nöt ënöügḧ ümĺäüẗs.
@tb Yellow bullet, where? I see a red mark in the tools menu, but no yellow thing.
this:
23:13
@JonasTeuwen But if you're looking specifically for North Germanic languages, then Swedish might be the most approachable for outsiders.
(the one with the 8 in it)
Swedish, hmm.
That doesn't have much umlauts does it?
@tb Very strange; that doesn't show for me. Perhaps it's a 30k+ thing?
@HenningMakholm Interesting profile :D.
@JonasTeuwen It has ä and ö. However, Danish and Norwegian just have æ and ø in their place.
23:15
Which question of Norbert's? I just answered one online
The binomial coefficient problem?
@HenningMakholm I don't think so. It only shows up occasionally (and somewhat erratically) but it leads you to the flagged posts tab in the mod tools.
@tb Yes in Chrome. But I think it's the standard implementation in all mac apps with a search function. Including Finder. No?
@robjohn No it was about projectivity for Banach modules
@tb Ah. Not one I would likely look at :-)
how do you guys type the umlaut in here?
23:17
@MattN but the finder doesn't find anything for me...
Oh well...
@Jeff I type AltGr+u followed by the letter it goes over, or AltGr+[ for ä and AltGr+] for ö. But that only works on my own customized keyboard layout :-)
@Jeff using the ümlaut key :-)
@Jeff Whut? Where?
@rob we Americans don't have an umlaut key (unless it's next to the 'any' key) :D
> you're a computer programmer, not a math person. and you learn math just from wikipedia
23:20
@Jeff On most OSes you can install a "US International" keyboard layout that will give you dead-key combinations for most diacritics used with Latin scripts.
@HenningMakholm AltGR+u didn't work for me. Do you mean the 'Alt' key followed by a 'G' then an 'R' then a 'u'?
@Jeff What OS are you using?
@Jeff Well, I do have an undergraduate degree in math somewhere. And I worked in a math-heavy area of computer science.
@tb Win 7
@Jeff interesting. I am an American.
It's the option-u key :-)
23:22
@Jeff AltGr is the key that replaces the right Alt key on US keyboards. But as I said, AltGr+u works in my personal customized keyboard only. (And on other custom layouts that derive from the one the University of Copenhagen's CS department used on their US keyboards 15 years ago).
@HenningMakholm i have a BS in comp. sci. But I never made too much of it and eventually that career petered out. I'm almost done with my math graduate degree (yet still feel, not dumb, but not quite up to speed on math)
@robjohn haha. i know you are :D. It's a good thing I'm an American, cuz I can never figure out those keyboard things for making diacriticals.
@robjohn same here :)
J G
J G
Hi! Random question, but anybody do regressions in here?
On the last number theory question i have to do, the text gives a hint at the back of the book, and the hint is the entire answer! :D
@JG statistical regressions? i did basic linear regressions for an intro stats class.
J G
J G
@Jeff Yes.
@Jeff. One question for now. Familiar with Poisson regression?
23:26
@JG I have done regression
@robjohn By the way, I looked at your solution for the integral this morning. Very beautiful (as expected). Somehow it works out but I don't see what is really going on.
Hmm, it seems that Microsoft's "US International" keyboard actually usurps the regular quote/apostrophe key to use as dead keys. Sounds like it would be hell to code on.
@JG no. i'm not. but i'm guessing you're using a variable with a Poisson distribution. It's been a while for me. See what @robjohn can do.
@HenningMakholm do you code in non-english languages? can that be done?
@HenningMakholm looks comparably painful to the Swiss German keyboard layout for LaTeX.
@tb $\frac{1+t}{1-t}$ maps $(-1,1)\to(0,\infty)$
then you scale $(0,\infty)$ and map back
The substitution leaves some factors of $\sqrt{\frac{1-t^2}{1-s^2}}$ around. If things work out right, they all cancel out.
@tb It is a neat substitution that I discovered while working on rational splines at Apple.
23:33
@robjohn yes. I can follow the calculations but how on earth did you find that?
@Jeff Some newer languages (eg Java) support non-English letters in identifiers natively, so it certainly can be done. However I don't think it is common. Certainly I code in English -- but I don't want to switch keyboard between coding and typing text (which is sometimes in Danish).
(even if you found it at Apple?)
In other words: what were the similar situations that you mentioned at the beginning of your answer?
@tb Yeah -- needing AltGr for backslash and braces makes TeX (and many other code languages) very painful. That's why I'm not using a Danish keyboard too.
@HenningMakholm You don't have backslash on your keyboard?
@HenningMakholm always the first move I make when I have to deal with a non-trivial computer problem on a friend's computer: change to US-layout.
23:37
makes you wonder how people in, like, Asia code - not only don't they use the English alphabet, but they don't have any alphabet!
@robjohn My (personal) keyboard has US-English layout and so does have a backslash. But in the standard Danish layout one must press AltGr plus the 102th key that sits between left shift and Z.
@tb The idea is to swap the $r(1+t)$ and $\frac1r(1-s)$ for $\frac1r(1+s)$ and $r(1-s)$ with leftover $\sqrt{\frac{1-t^2}{1-s^2}}$. The formulas will look similar with small differences and you can sometimes exploit those differences (as in the problem at hand)
@Jeff My information is that they mostly type using romanization (pinyin/romaji) and then select the appropriate character from a menu after each word.
I will try and write up something that might explain better and add it to my answer.
(Assuming that you mean East Asia -- there are many alphabetic scripts used in other parts of Asia).
23:40
@HenningMakholm That's not the $98\frac34$ key?
@HenningMakholm it sounds slow. of course, i bet they think our way of typing slow, too.
@robjohn No -- it's the one that is on 102-key keyboards but not on 101-key ones. (And also on 105 but not 104 key keyboards, for ones with Windows keys added to the layout).
@HenningMakholm Sorry, I was making a Harry Potter joke.
Question (advanced calc 1): $p(x), q(x)$ are polynomials, $r(x)=\frac{p(x)}{q(x)}$ is a rational function. Prove that $\lim_{x \rightarrow a} r(x)=r(a)$ (for all $r \in Reals$ such that $r(a)$ is defined)....
isn't that just saying $\lim_{x \rightarrow a} r(x)=p(a)/q(a)$
@Jeff looks like it.
23:45
@Jeff Not sure what they think. Apparently there's a movement inside China for using pinyin in everyday written text, because the traditional characters is just too cumbersome to use. (This may be a biased impression, though; I have it primarily from Victor Mair's posts on Language Log).
@robjohn so what is the question asking for, then?
@robjohn Well, if all it took to be magical was to buy a continental European keyboard ...
@HenningMakholm I would imagine it would take a keyboard from the Hogwarts computer lab.
Yay. 95 rep so far today!
@robjohn I see. It still has a bit of a ... magical feel to it. I was trying to get some intuition for why this works. I was trying to translate it into something more geometrical because it looks awfully similar to some calculations I encountered in hyperbolic geometry but I couldn't figure out exactly what those were. Maybe I'm also tempted to think so because your substitution looks like the reciprocal of the Cayley transform. Thanks for the explanations so far.
23:49
@Matt Yaaaay!
@MattN congratulations!
@tb Maybe he is not the "mean" but the magic square...
@matt 4800 rep! whew. i'm at like 340 :D
@MattN as far as integrals are concerned, yes, definitely. (I haven't read the magic square answer, yet)
I would love to find a question that I could answer, get four upvotes, an accept and a downvote.
What rep would you be at if you got that?
23:51
33333
Since when are you obsessed with numbers?
You know, I'm into all kinds of superstitions. Like Chinese astrology and the like...
Exactly what I thought...
@tb somebody gave me another down vote for my comment math.stackexchange.com/questions/118397/… :(
@Jeff if you had started your post with \rm {\bf Hint :} \rm \ \ \ then you wouldn't have had that kind of trouble... Anyway: I think it's always good to look at a graph and have some feel of what is going on.
23:57
@tb oh. next time i'll say it's a hint.
@tb Does enclosing it in TeX serve any particular purpose here?
@Jeff Well, just say that it isn't intended to be a rigorous argument. But it upsets me that some doesn't seem see that a graph not touching the $x$-axis means that the function has no roots...
anyone know how do i find a comment i made on thursday?

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