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02:00
@Jason I think I've seen this proof, something to the effect of how you can always unitarily triangularize a matrix, but then if you start with a normal one you get a normal one
@Jason wikiwand.com/en/Lusitania Portugal was called this by the Romans, the reason for the name.
So then that's diagonal
@Daminark You also have a spectral theorem for normal operators in functional analysis.
Actually wait can you prove spectral theorem for normal operators on a Hilbert space more generally?
Lol sniped
Hilbert is complete inner product space, right?
02:02
Yup
The only way I know that is an awful joke, and remembering that Hilbert spaces are similar to the punchline.
What's yellow, normed, and complete?
A Bananach space.
Lel I've seen that, it's beautiful
I just read on Quora "My friend is blind and a lesbian, she was always attracted to beyonce and had a picture of her on her wall"
@Dodsy :think:
Kinda something I never thought of before.
I was never allowed to decorate my room growing up and so never had posters or pictures of any kind on my walls.
02:06
I've heard of "lusophobe" before
What made you think of that...
that's weird because I don't think many people in this part of the world know enough about the lusophone countries to feel anything about them
@EricSilva Poorly educated American that I am, I can only think of two major Lusophone countries.
I'm not sure, there are certainly stereotypes about every culture.
Which is wrong.
Though I think I get bonus points for being an American who knows Brazil is Lusophone.
02:09
But I've certainly seen a negative view towards the Portuguese and their culture during my lifetime.
Dat Treaty of Tordesillas, though.
Angola and mozambique are some
I knew some countries in coastal Africa were, but I didn't want to try to name them and be wrong.
What about Portugal
Portugal, Brazil, Angola, Macau
02:10
@Dodsy That was one of the two
I don't think I knew Mozambique spoke Portuguese.
I envisioned an exchange like, me: "uhhhh the Congo?" someone else: "WHICH ONE? AND BESIDES THE DRK WAS BELGIAN AND THE REPUBLIC OF CONGO WAS PARTLY GERMAN AND PARTLY FRENCH"
Maybe I'm just too used to the Internet being as it is.
I thought it wasn't really Belgian
It was like the King's personal property or something
Maybe it became Belgian later.
This is the place where all the hands were cut off, yeah?
@AkivaWeinberger It was Belgian in the sense of being the property of the king, at least.
Yes.
02:12
I think somewhere around 1 million Mozambicans speak portuguese so it's no where near as big as Angola
I thought it remained the King's personal property the whole time
Separate from national considerations
I mean he had to die at some point
Not the whole time, it was folded into Belgian territory in 1908 IIRC
Also I still think of that country as Zaire for some reason
And therefore still needed to be decolonized, which I guess happened in the early '60s
02:13
@Fargle it is astounding how few people in south Florida know that Brazilians don't speak spanish given that there's a huge Brazilian population in south Florida
There's like a Brazillion of them
too tired to duck
@EricSilva I think that could easily be chalked up to a combination of linguistic ignorance and skin color stereotyping.
@Akiva that was beautiful
To the untrained ear, Portuguese and Spanish sound very much alike.
02:14
And "Hey I know Spanish and I want to be helpful"
All I know is "-ado" -> "-ão". And also the 'r' is pronounced weird in parts of Brazil.
Fun fact: though Spanish and Portuguese are closely related enough to be considered distant dialects of one another, Spanish and Italian are even closer
It's pretty hard to live in south florida without hearing spanish though. And if you know what spanish sounds like you know that portuguese sounds nothing like spanish
@Eric: that's where the skin color stereotyping comes in.
Critical thinking isn't very highly valued in America.
Yeah it's pretty bad
I mean, maybe people don't hear Portuguese as much. And don't often pay attention anyway
Like, in Texas everyone thought I was Mexican
02:16
Real mathematicians do not chat/talk, they prove.
lol
I've been stopped by a policeman for speeding and he spoke to me in broken spanish for two minutes before I just looked at him blankly and said "I am not spanish dude"
Yeah but we're complex
:D
@nbro I'm never satisfied with a proof until I understand everything in a vague, handwavey way.
That's the value of a chat.
I was on a train ride where people near me were talking in what sounded like Spanish, but I couldn't understand any of it, so I was unsure if it was just an accent I'm unfamiliar with (aka anything other than my Spanish teacher) or actually Portuguese
02:17
And lol I remember a friend telling me that Spanish sounded like Italian with a lisp
That would be Spain Spanish
@Daminark That's probably more true on the continent
except Andalusia or something
It's weird, spanish and portuguese are technically closer, but I understand italian far better than I understand spanish
@Fargle ...Which continent
02:18
@AkivaWeinberger From what I've heard, the "lispy" dialect is common in Seville.
I mean I get the vibe that Spanish fragmentation isn't horrible
@AkivaWeinberger Europe, exactly as you said.
Though the lisp is specific to Spain
@Fargle OK I thought you meant South America for a second and was confused
It may be common in other parts of Spain too but as far as I know it's Iberian alone
@AkivaWeinberger LOL an American talking about South America? You must have me confused for someone who is somehow invested in the third world /s
02:19
@nbro Have you read what Tao wrote on the "post-rigorous" phase of a mathematician's education and stuff?
I understand Spanish quite well and I speak Italian and Portuguese, so I could be a possible guy who could have deciphered the mysterious language they, the unknowns, were speaking
So a Paraguayan tells a Chilean, "Vení aquí desde Paraguay para matarte" and the Chilean, who wasn't really listening, says "¿Para que?" to which the Paraguayan replies "Paraguay"
@Fargle some parts of Latin america are definitely not third world
(Sorry for bad Spanish)
"There’s more to mathematics than rigour and proofs", by Terry Tao, is what I was referring to
@EricSilva Spanish is no closer to Portuguese than to Italian
You can put Spanish in the middle of Portuguese and Italian
02:22
It is, geographically
So, Portuguese and Italian are more different than Portuguese and Spanish or Spanish and Italian.
I wonder how Ladino (Judaeo-Spanish) works.
(AKA Like Yiddish, but Sephardi. [Spanish guitar plays])
@nbro depends on the spanish :P
Clearly, what I'm saying is just from my experience, not really a statistical study.
But I have a lot of experience in talking and listening to those languages ;)
Anyway what I said is that spanish is closer to portuguese than portuguese is to italian. I'm pretty sure in terms lexical similarity spanish is still closer to portuguese than it is in italian.
but not by much
02:29
@AkivaWeinberger I didn't read that...
@AkivaWeinberger lol, quite funny!
02:59
Hi. Simulations show that matrices of this type mathb.in/143097 always seem to have a negative eigenvalue. While I might see how to prove it for small $K$, the proof is difficult to generalize. Any ideas?
@EricSilva Agreed. I was just being the typical American.
@Fargle Well you don't say Latin America, you say Mexico in that case :P
(Or maybe that's just specific to Texas, I dunno)
@Daminark ...you right.
Nah, TN is rife with geographical misconceptions just as much so.
NY was better at least in my experience
Though everyone mistook Morocco for Monaco
@Daminark A N G E R Y
03:05
My dad eventually decided to just roll with Monaco
It was more amusing and less effort
It makes it far more surprising that they control Western Sahara.
But at the beginning people would go and be like "Oh hey, are you from India?" "No, I'm from Morocco" "Monaco? I hear that's a great place!"
LOL
But yeah I was more surprised that people thought my dad was Indian/Pakistani
That's how it is to be brown in America, so it seems.
To me he doesn't seem like that at all, though I will say, people trying to guess where my family is from has been an extremely funny swirl of chaos
Oh wait I just realized you live in TN
unfortunately
If no other human beings were alive, I'd love it here. The natural scenery is really breathtaking.
But, alas, goddamn it.
03:13
Is it that bad?
Not for me. I know who I like and who I don't, and I'm going to school, so that's all great.
It's just that being a hard leftist in a conservative state is really tiresome.
(And also the fact that outside of my city, I don't know if I'd want to be anything other than the pasty white that I am)
Ah, I see
There are still Confederate flags flying out here. Just today I passed a truck that was flying the American flag and the Confederate flag at the same height and angle out of the truck bed.
Pickup truck or truck truck?
Which is wrong for several reasons.
Pickup.
03:16
Lol my dad told me to always be careful about pickup truck drivers
They are the worst drivers ever, speeding, careless, the whole deal
First of all, stop flying the Confederate flag, you just look dumb. But second of all, if you really do care about the "heritage of this great nation and all its traditions", you'd know that the American flag should always be flying above any other flags in the vicinity.
By flying a flag that represents an open, armed rebellion against your country at the same height as the flag of your country, all you do is demonstrate hypocrisy.
sigh White people, man.
when people fly that flag I just shake my head
Well, the first point is something that can't be used in an argument because if you are in the right location, many people around you will affirm it. But yeah I don't see the logic in literally flying a flag of treason
Though I've become habituated after seeing it enough times
Like, let's celebrate a state whose brief existence was centered around the oppression of an entire race of people
@Daminark I think being habituated to a bad thing doesn't negate that it's a very bad thing :P
I never insinuated that it wasn't bad
03:26
I mean, we should fight against being habituated to it
5 years and you can be habituated to almost anything, especially when it's 5 formative years
Might even upgrade "can" to "most likely will"
That you can be doesn't mean you should be
Fair point
In fact in this case you definitely shouldn't be :P
I mean, this was from when I was 9 to 14, it kind of already happened a bit too deeply, so at some point those flags just became a regular part of the highway experience
They kind of become like general bad drivers that you see
And sometimes more like crosslights, they're just always there, as if their presence was synonymous with that of the road itself
shrugs
03:37
For doing proofs should automate any computations via a computer algebra system
Ok @Daminark, sure, that's not a counterpoint to what I was saying though.
My point is that when you're a kid it just about can't be helped
It happened with so many things, like the prospect of Muslims not having to deal with the whole terrorism stuff is just alien at this point, etc
I don't like it at all but at some point it takes the place of everything else which seems like a necessary element of existing, that isn't easily shaken
Also hey @Ted
hey Demonark
chat getting political today
So it seems, so it seems
Shall we reel it in to math? Might be more pleasant for all parties
03:43
First you'd have to find someone who knows some math.
That's true, the search begins! looks at Ted
@TedShifrin what's your opinion on this For doing proofs should one automate any tedious steps such as algebraic manuiplations via a computer algebra system
I do not agree except perhaps in some special cases.
@TedShifrin so one should do everything by hand
This is far too general and abstract a discussion for me even to participate.
03:46
@TedShifrin are you referring to my question ?
Hi @Ted
Rehi @EricSilva.
I'm specifically talking about proofs in analysis
Think it depends on what "doing proofs" means. Well written exercises shouldn't have enough tedious steps to justify using a CAS (unless using a CAS is one of the skills being exercised). For REAL problems in mathematics (e.g. research problems) using a computer to compute a giant number of examples (that can't possibly be done by hand) can be a very useful tool.
03:49
Most analysis proofs that undergraduates do involve very little algebra, but — rather — require learning how to think about estimates in a productive and intelligent way.
My algebra prof- "Analysis is just stupid inequalities"
And algebraists love to manipulate symbols in their own uninteresting way sometimes ...
I should get to know Keerthi...
Lol jk
@PVAL: I am reminded that Hoffman-Meeks many years ago discovered a deep theorem re minimal surfaces because of sophisticated computer graphics the drew them the surfaces ... and then they could figure out a proof. So I'm certainly not dismissing intelligent use of technology!
It depends on what you're doing of course.
03:51
@PVAL-inactive interesting I was thinking about using a CAS to automate steps withen a proof do you think this is a good idea
kinda makes me think of the 'epsilon management' discussion in this Terry Tao blog: terrytao.wordpress.com/2007/06/25/…
Is this an exercise from a book/class/notes/website?
Mine? No.
@PVAL-inactive exercise from a book
Is anyone grading the assignment?
03:52
Then probably not unless the book suggest use of a CAS.
@Dair i'm learning it on my own
all right @PVAL-inactive
It is an interesting question to what extent inequalities can be proven in an algorithmic way.
Good that my remark re estimates was ignored ...
There's another article on Tao's blog on tips for doing analysis exercises.
I took a look at that question btw @Ted
03:54
@PVAL-inactive link ?
Because my Galois theory hw got annoying
LOL, annoying?
Which one do you want to talk about, then?
This is probably more geared toward a first course in measure theory type course:
Re estimates: that's an interesting way to put it.
I'm sort of curious how one would generalize this question: math.stackexchange.com/q/2287350/137524
03:56
yeahh there was some question that should be really easy but I can't parse it for some reason
What's the question, Eric?
That is to show that $(\sqrt{2} + 2)(\sqrt{3} + 3)$ is not a square in $\mathbf{Q}(\sqrt{2}, \sqrt{3})$.
Well, I certainly can write it out in a pedestrian way.
I wanted to see what $\mathbf{Q}$-automorphisms do to the square root of that thing (if we assume its a square) and get a contradiction but for some reason I wasn't getting anywhere
OK, so good idea.
03:59
@Eric Your field is a fd vector space over $\Bbb Q$. Pick a basis for it.
Namely: Suppose $f(x), g(x)$ are polynomials of degree $n<m$. Then every derivative of $f(x)/g(x)$ is a rational function. What's the minimal degree of the numerator of the $k$th derivative?
We're looking for something more elegant, @PVAL.
(I have no idea if repeated roots matter. But I will require that $f,g$ don't share any roots.)
Yeah I wanted something nicer than just doing out the algebraic manipulations, but they're probably doable (although it should be like a system of four homogeneous quadratics in $4$ variables which is kinda annoying) @PVAL
@Ted do you have a recommended reference for graph theory?
04:03
My professor did say that we shouldn't have to do them
No, I know no graph theory.
Yeah, we definitely want to use the biquadratic Galois group, Eric.
@Daminark why not ask Laci
Actually yeah I should do that
This is related to the question we were discussing a few weeks ago about Galois theory and when $\sqrt{a+b\sqrt c} = \sqrt r + \sqrt s$.
Ah yes this problem
04:07
So, if $\beta=(2+\sqrt2)(3+\sqrt3)$, what is $[\Bbb Q(\beta):\Bbb Q]$?
And if $\beta=\alpha^2$ for some $\alpha\in\Bbb Q(\sqrt2,\sqrt3)$, what is $[\Bbb Q(\alpha):\Bbb Q]$?
Meanwhile, I in my Galois ignorance have to settle with writing out $(a+b\sqrt{2}+c\sqrt{3}+d\sqrt{6})^2$, expanding and matching coefficients, then check that the system has no rational roots :/
Not the right way.
I never said it was :P
And when I say "check that the system has no rational roots" I really mean "check that none of the roots Mathematica spits out look rational"
soooo yeah not recommended.
04:22
Are you thinking, @EricSilva?
Yeah I'm just being slow, I can do this
I haven't thought it all the way through, ...
Wish I hadn't goofed off for that second semester of abstract...
On an entirely different note, did I ever explain what problem I was trying to make sense of?
I can send you plenty of algebra homework, too, @Fargle :P
04:24
@TedShifrin YES!
Are you done with school for the spring, @Fargle? ...
Starting point is this lovely integral:
@TedShifrin I am!
?
Oh well I guess this isn't too early
Ok so for the first part, thinking about the non-trivial $\mathbf{Q}$-automorphisms of $\mathbf{Q}(\sqrt{2}, \sqrt{3})$ which fix $\mathbf{Q}(\beta)$.. that's nothing so it has to be $\mathbf{Q}(\sqrt{2}, \sqrt{3})$, right, so $[\mathbf{Q}(\beta): \mathbf{Q}] = 4$.
04:26
...actually, now I'm confused about what I'd even write since I can't tell if one thing is/isn't a function of the integration variable.
uggghh
Okay, nope, not going to try. I'll just point to eqs (8), (17) of this while hurridly making the sign of the cross.
Or, said another way, @EricSilva, we know all the possible subfields because we know all the subgroups of $\Bbb Z_2\oplus\Bbb Z_2$.
(Not great when you can't really tell which variables are independent vs. dependent.)
yup yup
To sum up the weirdness, though, they start with a certain integral which is defined for a parameter z>0. If z<0, the integral is infinite.
Same goes for $\alpha$, @EricSilva. But if $\Bbb Q(\alpha)=\Bbb Q(\sqrt2,\sqrt3)$, then think about the Galois orbit ....
04:33
There's a certain small parameter in the problem that lets them reduce said integral to a saddle point computation. That gives a condition for the saddle point, from which they obtain the function they're really after as a Legendre transform, i.e. some optimization problem over $z$.
However, once they get to said optimization they rather blithely observe: Hey, this optimization problem can be smoothly continued a bit into z<0!
@Semiclassic: If you're talking to me, you shouldn't, because I'm not paying attention.
eh, I'm probably talking to myself anyways.
hmmhmmhmm
$\text{ Testing ChatJax For the first time}$. Does it work ? $\text{x_0}$
What strange font are you using, @AlexKChen?
04:48
$\text{Standard text}$
$\text{Define f(x) for all positive integers such that f(1) = 1 and f(2) = 0}\; \; f(k^2) = 1 \text{and for other n, f(n) = 0 iff for all} k^2 \text{such that} k^2 < n \; \; f(n-k^2)=1 \text{or 0 otherwise}$
That's just what \text{} does in math mode by default.
Works perfectly.
Lemme experiment a bit, hope others won't mind.
$•◘c╥$
Well, infinitely run-on lines aren't much fun.
My brain is going sloooow tonight
04:50
I lost my brain months ago, Eric.
$\text{I am a SUPEEER GENIUS, a perfect crackpot}$. $\text{I declare}$ $\lim_{n \rightarrow \text{very big number}} \sum_{i =1}^{n} \frac{1}{i^2} > \frac{\pi^2}{6}$.
All right, Alex. Quit spamming us.
Ok sure.
Is there any room where I can test these ?
Why don't you do it with your own LaTeX compiler on your own computer?
Well, mixing with the chat features.
04:52
Huh?
OK nothing, is there a sandbox for MSE ?
I dunno. Look on meta.
OK sure.
05:12
\o all, Prof @Ted!
05:34
Prof @Ted, would you mind helping me with some three tiny problems? Wouldn't ask if I didn't have to rush with them..
Or anyone else of course, functional analysis.
"Just ask: don't ask to ask"
Yeah that's right.
Well, I want to show that a certain operator is self-adjoint in $H\oplus H$, and I have a $2x2$ matrix that defines it. I am unsure how to approach it.
Since $H$ is arbitrary, I feel a bit lost.
So I'm pretty sure that if $B=C*$ and both $A,D$ are self-adjoint, then [[A,B],[C,D]] is self-adjoint; otherwise you might have to do some real work and check the adjoint :P but what''s the matrix?
In this case, [[0, iA],[-iA*,0]], where $A$ is some linear operator on $H$.
But how can you tell that?
Hmm yeah that does look self-adjoint; if you (mumble mumble orthogonal basis) then the adjoint is represented in the same basis by the conjugate transpose.
05:46
Isn't that true only when the space is separable?
^ there's some technical condition you need for $[A^*]=\overline{[A]}^T; let me look that up.
could be that
Hm, but I can't be sure that $H\oplus H$ is separable. I thought about it, but felt like a dead-end.
I strongly doubt you need that; you "need" finite-dimensionality but maybe only at the level of blocks
(and, yes, an orthonormal basis)
That makes sense.. Let me try to work it out, thanks!
sounds good :)
06:15
I left and came back to it and figured it out in a couple seconds @Ted, I guess I just needed some time away from it lol
Hah, I could just use ||$A$||=||$A^*$||, so $A^*$ must be represented by a 2x2 matrix as well. That kind of settles it.
06:29
I dare you guys to watch this video
if any of you can make it to the end without fainting or closing the tab, you can consider yourself as highly courageous
07:00
@SoumyoB Silent Hill/P.T. are great games.
07:14
Just asked this number theory question we were wondering about a month or two ago if you're interested @Balarka
 
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08:16
How can I see that the derivative of the map $\text{SL}(n,\mathbb{R}) \to \text{SL}(n,\mathbb{R}), A \mapsto A^{-T}$, is given by $X \mapsto -X^T$ via the canonical identifcation of the tangent space of $\text{SL}(n,\mathbb{R})$ at the identity matrix with the $n \times n$ matrices of trace zero?
08:59
Any two randomly picked vectors in the higher dimensional space are orthogonal to each other ? any intuition to this one ?
@BAYMAX You'd have to specify how you 'randomly pick' a vector
But, for "standard" methods of doing this, I'd say this has probability zero
like how much random , ?
it has high probaility !
@BAYMAX Intuitively, you could think about the probability of, given a fixed vector in $\Bbb R^n$, randomly picking a vector that's orthogonal to the fixed one.
The set of all vectors orthogonal to some vector form an $n-1$-dimensional subspace of $\Bbb R^n$, which has measure $0$.
ok in a note I saw this one -
Using this fact, we will then show
that two random points in the unit ball are with high probability nearly orthogonal,
Section 2.3 Properties of the Unit Ball
"nearly orthogonal" and "orthogonal" are completely different things if you're talking about the probability...
09:05
oh
Absolutely. Generally when you want orthogonality, you're demanding that the dot product be exactly zero, which will usually produce a measure $0$ subspace.
But if you're simply demanding that the dot product be bounded by some quantity, that opens it up a lot more.
nice there
09:34
PVAL: I'm not sure if there's anything you can do about this, but when you were talking with other-Eric I ended up getting a few of those notifications, which doesn't normally happen. Perhaps you accidentally pressed "reply to this message" for one of my posts instead and then I got looped into the thread? I just figured I'd let you know.
09:54
Is there an easy way to show (with algebra) how many integers there are in the geometric sequence 54*(-2/3)^n-1 ? By testing I get it to be four elements.
Yea, didn't:
the first term is 54, which is 2*3^3
every term throws on an extra power of 1/3, so
So we need to find out which powers of $3$ divide 54!
after four terms you start getting fractions
n=1,2,3,4
but how to show it with algebra!
we showed it using number theory though!
^ And that is enough hehe. The explanation definitely makes sense (even for me), though, so thanks :-)
10:09
I am interested to know why you want integer from the sequence any motivation ?
Oh, it's just for school assignments.
10:42
what is meant by a quantity is generic ?
google gives
characteristic of or relating to a class or group of things; not specific.
2. relating to a genus.
so what generic means?
11:22
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Q: Weird trick for solving surface integral?

Lozansky Calculate the flow of the vector field $$\mathbf{A} = \nabla \dfrac{\mathbf{a}\cdot\mathbf{r}}{r^3}$$ from a cube with side length $1$, centered at origin and with one space diagonal parallel with the constant vector $\mathbf{a}$. Attempted solution Let the $z$-axis run parallel to $\mathb...

11:42
@Lozansky The reason to avoid Gauss's law here is that it'd require you to interpret $(\mathbf{a}\cdot\mathbf{r})/r^3$ at $r=0$.
(Physically, the point is that $\mathbf{A}$ would be the field of an ideal dipole. This has zero net charge, but this isn't so obvious just looking at it.)
@Semiclassical Oh right, $\mathbf{A}$ would have to be $\mathcal{C}^1$ throughout the volume $V$
As for the second point: If two surfaces enclose the same charge, they've got the same flux. So they proceed by using Gauss's law to equate the flux over the cube to the appropriate volume integral, and then use it again to equate both to the flux over the sphere.
If I have a chance this morning I'll type that up as a solution. (If someone beats me to it, oh well.)
Summer vacations. Finally.
@Semiclassical No, they don't use Gauss's law
?
"How can they claim the flow is the same for the cube as it is for some sphere with radius R?" That's where they're using Gauss's law a second time.
11:48
I thought you meant in the last step
But how can they be sure the sphere and the cube will enclose the same "charge"?
Because the only place where there can possibly be any charge is r=0.
Because the divergence is $0$ everywhere else?
Outside of that, the divergence definitely vanishes. So it's fine to change which volume you're looking at so long as it still encloses the origin.
Yup.
Ok, out for now.
Thanks for the help, @Semiclassical
@Semiclassical hi, are you familiar with osculating place subject?
11:59
Wow, the implicit function theorem is really beautiful.
12:28
@BalarkaSen Ready for college?
Wait, Balarka, are you graduating this year?
@liad only a little bit
Hi chat
Howdy @Astyx.
g'morning Astyx
12:33
@Astyx hi!
How goes ?
@Semiclassical hm, familiar with Frenet formulas ?
12:51
very little.
I know what they are, etc.
but not how they're derived or how to use them at this point.
fine :P , i hope Ted will be here soon :)
@ParthKohli Huh?
I'm still in school.
@liad That said, there's really no reason to wait for Ted in stating the question. If someone can help you now, great; if not, you can point Ted back to this conversation.
@EricStucky Nope.
12:58
hi
Did you get my ping earlier? I asked on main a question we were thinking about a while ago
I checked my inbox and I see it now

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