Mathematics - 2012-03-07 (page 7 of 7)

Kannappan Sampath

23:00

The proof of the other implication in the claim for Cauchy Schwarz in Probability is driving me crazy, for reasons, I don't know.

Jonas Teuwen

What claim?

Matt N.

Hm. I was going to do the NLP open course together with the partner but I think I've gone off the idea.

t.b.

@JonasTeuwen Well, the diploma I have is in grey-green marbled paper. I was always thinking of burning the borders and adding a red blob of sealing wax. It would make a marvelous boy-scout certificate...

Jonas Teuwen

Your PhD diploma?

Matt N.

: D

@JonasTeuwen The MSc's, I think.

Jonas Teuwen

23:03

Aha!

I know nothing.

Kannappan Sampath

I claim that $[\Bbb E(XY)]^2=\Bbb E(X^2) \Bbb E(Y^2)$ (Where $X$ and $Y$ are absolutely continuous random variables) iff $P(aX=bY)=1$.

t.b.

@MattN I don't have a MSc. I just have a diploma.

Matt N.

I know but does the name matter?

Jonas Teuwen

Teddybear is from the old days?

Matt N.

(Sorry for answering other people's questions)

@JonasTeuwen Yes : )

Jonas Teuwen

23:04

@KannappanSampath What are $a$ and $b$?

So which direction is The Fail?

Kannappan Sampath

@JonasTeuwen Atleast one of which is non-zero and both are real.

Gigili

@DavidWheeler Eh why?

Jonas Teuwen

So, say $a = 1$ and $b = 0$?

Kannappan Sampath

@JonasTeuwen Assuming equality and showing these are the only casess. : )

t.b.

@MattN To some extent it does... I'm glad I don't have a BSc and MSc and that I'm not a Dr. sc. ETHZ

Jonas Teuwen

23:05

Dr. ETHZ?

What the?

Matt N.

^What Jonas said.

Jonas Teuwen

$P(X) = 1$ to that thingie?

t.b.

That's the official title they give Ph.D.'s nowadays.

Jonas Teuwen

$P(X = 0) = 1$, sorry.

Matt N.

And what was the old name?

Jonas Teuwen

23:05

Oh, that is a sucky case.

t.b.

I'm glad that I'm from the olden days.

Jonas Teuwen

Golden days.

Kannappan Sampath

@JonasTeuwen That is not very useful.

Matt N.

@tb I can't relate to that. A name makes no difference. The thing is still exactly the same.

t.b.

@MattN Dipl. Math. and Dr. sc. math.

Jonas Teuwen

23:06

Nevermind me, it is way too late.

What's up with the sc. math.? Here it is just "dr.".

For the moment I am "ir.".

t.b.

@MattN No it isn't. You're now thrown into the same pot with people who just ran R over a bunch of numbers they measured...

Jonas Teuwen

That's perfect.

t.b.

@JonasTeuwen that's just the full title.

Kannappan Sampath

@JonasTeuwen As in Irresponsible? 8-) (Sorry if you find it hurting, but just for fun.)

Matt N.

@tb I don't see. If you apply for a post doc position they people you apply to will know what you did.

Jonas Teuwen

23:08

Right, no problem!

t.b.

Like MD is a Dr. med.

Jonas Teuwen

@KannappanSampath I cannot be trolled.

Matt N.

Like House MD is a real doctor!

Gigili

You were supposed to take in as a compliment @DavidWheeler, if you're really heart.

Matt N.

@tb Would you like to have an argument?

Jonas Teuwen

23:08

I wish I was dr. already, then I could add that in my complaint letter to the railway company. My advisor says it helps.

Kannappan Sampath

@JonasTeuwen I think you are angry with me. Sorry once again.

Matt N.

@JonasTeuwen : D

Jonas Teuwen

@KannappanSampath I am hardly ever angry.

Kannappan Sampath

@JonasTeuwen : - )

t.b.

@MattN Well, I think it's probably best if I start with the one and then see how it goes from there, okay?

Jonas Teuwen

23:09

And I don't have a clue what I should be angry about. This is for you.

Matt N.

@tb Well then let's see who's free... How about Matt N?

t.b.

@MattN Well, I'm not too sure about that. It might be in academic circles but I find it a bit disturbing outside of academia.

Jonas Teuwen

"I'm a Dr. sc. math. Now give me a bread."

Matt N.

@tb And outside academia, what does it matter? No one will have a clue about what you did anyway.

t.b.

@MattN I think he's in a bit too conciliatory a mood, these days...

Jonas Teuwen

23:12

Holy crapmonkies, now I need to buy a suit.

I need Quality® I'll go to a Tailor®.

Matt N.

@tb Ah well then try Mr. Mathemagician, he's loose somewhere on the internetz.

t.b.

@MattN so, if you apply for a job, you're just one out of that elite kitchen. Without any distinction concerning the subject. I don't like that.

Jonas Teuwen

Is that really a problem? In NL they don't give any distinction, everybody is "dr.", I have never heard of problems with that...

t.b.

I don't know. Call me old-fashioned, but I prefer doctor scientiae mathematicorum to doctor scientiae ETHZ.

Matt N.

@tb You better start coming to terms with it now if applying for a job is your plan for your future. But it's really no fun at all, in fact it's the most boring thing I've ever done in my life (except watching LOTR maybe) so I suggest you think it over and go for tenure somewhere where it's warm.

Jonas Teuwen

23:14

Yes, it sure sounds kickass.

t.b.

@JonasTeuwen I don't think there's any real difference.

Matt N.

@tb I don't care either way.

Gigili

Does "ETHZ" have anything to do with ETH?

Jonas Teuwen

@MattN You suggest Uganda?

Matt N.

@JonasTeuwen I was thinking Nigeria... Seriously. Why not Costa Rica?

t.b.

23:15

@MattN well, I liked Billy Crystal's assessment: the third one got one Oscar for each ending...

Jonas Teuwen

I'm the closest to heaven you'll ever be.

t.b.

@Gigili yes, the Z stands for Zurich

Jonas Teuwen

Hmm, why did I say that, I need to sleep.

@MattN Costa Rica? They have scary snakes there.

And scary spiders.

t.b.

@JonasTeuwen but beautiful beaches...

Matt N.

I think the Z stands for Zu Langweilig.

Jonas Teuwen

23:17

And I'm not even sure if they have enough monkies to compensate...

Matt N.

What's this obsession with monkeys?

Jonas Teuwen

They are so cute.

They eat like this -> hand mouth hand.

t.b.

:3737510 Life is hard, bear with it...

Matt N.

I think that's the only animal I don't like. Not cute. At all. Looks like hoomins.

Asaf Karagila

I drank tequila. For the first time. Also, the last time.

Arak is soooooo much better.

t.b.

23:19

@AsafKaragila uuurgh

Jonas Teuwen

t3.gstatic.com/…

Like humans? This one looks more like Asaf.

Matt N.

True dat.

Asaf Karagila

You don't know how I look.

Jonas Teuwen

Yes I do.

t.b.

@MattN given that they're holy...

Asaf Karagila

23:20

No. Two beers and five shots of arak/tequila and it's "how I look".

Matt N.

Fair enough.

I don't like alcohol. And I don't like what it does to people.

Asaf Karagila

Breaks their English? I can start writing Hebrew instead.

Skullpatrol

@tb Did you know it was NA NA, NANA NA?

Jonas Teuwen

Please do so! ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ√

Matt N.

: D

t.b.

23:22

@Skullpatrol of course...

Matt N.

Asaf! You're officially Pedo Bear Approved!

Asaf Karagila

Huh?

Matt N.

Come to think of bears: Did you know that every time you masturbate G*d kills a kitten?

Asaf Karagila

לא בחרתי לבוא לעולם, לא בחרתי את שמי הפרטי. לא בחרתי את אמי, אבי - את משפחתי. חופשי-חופשי אך בנפשי, מרגיש חיבור, רוצה אישור...

This is not anime. Stop with the Japanese.

Jonas Teuwen

Wow! Good stuff.

Asaf Karagila

23:25

Hang on, let me take my pants off.

Matt N.

: D

Asaf Karagila

Now I'm done.

Matt N.

@AsafKaragila This is not a church. Stop with the Hebrew.

@AsafKaragila You don't last long, do you?

Asaf Karagila

@MattN No, that's Jonas.

Jonas Teuwen

Goodnight guys!

t.b.

23:26

@MattN :)

Matt N.

Good night Jonas!

Jonas Teuwen

@AsafKaragila Sorry about your mother.

t.b.

g'night

Asaf Karagila

@JonasTeuwen She's sorry about you.

Skullpatrol

@AsafKaragila Go kill a kitten

Matt N.

23:27

He's just killed one.

Skullpatrol

Maybe two.

Matt N.

Possibly.

Asaf Karagila

Huh?

Kannappan Sampath

@AsafKaragila Are there any hidden pages on your homepage, like the yam and chivken you posted the other day?

t.b.

@MattN Those look like Benjamin Lim's gravatars turned evil and chasing a kitten

Asaf Karagila

23:30

@KannappanSampath No. My homepage has no links. I do host photos there sometimes.

Matt N.

@tb Yes, almost!

Hm. How do I get the image of Asaf with his pants down out of my head?

t.b.

@MattN easy, think of something pleasant.

Matt N.

I have a very visual imagination and it does whatever it wants.

Kannappan Sampath

@AsafKaragila Are there some photos you'd like us to see, like that yam and chicken? (Curious!)

Asaf Karagila

I do not envy you, @Matt.

@KannappanSampath Nothing I can think of.

Matt N.

23:32

@tb Like for example?

Carrots?

t.b.

You're very demanding...

Kannappan Sampath

@AsafKaragila </3

Matt N.

@tb I've been told that too many times : (

t.b.

@MattN I was just about to suggest that :)

Asaf Karagila

Think of beer. Beer is pleasant.

t.b.

23:33

@MattN oh, no, sorry about that.

@AsafKaragila apparently not. At least not Perroni

Matt N.

@tb Don't worry.

@AsafKaragila I don't like the effect of alcohol.

Asaf Karagila

Effects of alcohol > effects of opiates > effects of THC > effects of sugar rush > effects of just drinking a lot of water and needing to pee.

Kannappan Sampath

@AsafKaragila >Effects of AT

Gigili

It's HTC.

t.b.

this guy starts annoying me. One simple homework after the other.

Matt N.

23:36

@AsafKaragila What? THC makes me fall asleep almost instantly.

Asaf Karagila

@KannappanSampath True.

Matt N.

@tb At least now I don't have to worry anymore whether you had been saying these things about Matt a few months back : )

Asaf Karagila

@MattN Yes. That sucks.

Matt N.

@AsafKaragila This order is not ordered correctly.

Asaf Karagila

@MattN You like peeing more than you like alcohol??

t.b.

23:38

@MattN I agree.

Kannappan Sampath

Is this on-topic?

If so, please give your reply. That helps.

If no, please give your reply, that helps.

Hey @Benjamin Lim

Benjamin Lim

hey

t.b.

well, unfortunately I don't know where the origin is according to PHP. But Asaf seems to have his orders straight...

@KannappanSampath Hi there, Ben

Skullpatrol

@BenjaminLim Hi

Matt N.

@tb PHP? Not the programming language, I assume?

Kannappan Sampath

23:41

@tb Something's gone crazy! : )

Benjamin Lim

hey

t.b.

@MattN yes, the programming language.

Benjamin Lim

@Skullpatrol hi, where are you now?

Matt N.

I am confused.

Kannappan Sampath

@MattN Did you receive my reply?

t.b.

23:42

@MattN I was replying to Kannappan's "is this on-topic" question

Matt N.

@KannappanSampath This question makes no sense to me.

Skullpatrol

@BenjaminLim In the chat room why?

Benjamin Lim

no i mean where are you in the world :D

Kannappan Sampath

@MattN No, I'd like to know if that question will need close votes from me or not...

Asaf Karagila

@BenjaminLim On its surface?

Matt N.

23:44

@KannappanSampath Oh. I don't know.

Benjamin Lim

@AsafKaragila no i mean like you are in israel, me in australia, etc

Kannappan Sampath

@AsafKaragila He probably was more interested in the co-ordinates.

t.b.

@BenjaminLim he won't tell you, but you can check his Google books links if you want to know.

Asaf Karagila

@BenjaminLim Well, I'm still on the surface of the planet. Almost actually, one floor above the ground.

Benjamin Lim

@tb I was trying to tell Kannappan that one does not simply go out to buy rawa dosa here

Asaf Karagila

23:46

I heard that one does not simply walk into Mordor.

Matt N.

I have a friend who works there, actually.

Kannappan Sampath

@BenjaminLim Hey, you have started tempting me, man. Those Rava Dosas, I am already drooling, OK?

t.b.

@MattN In Mordor?

Benjamin Lim

@KannappanSampath The last time I had a rawa dosa was a long time ago

Matt N.

@tb Yes.

t.b.

23:48

Now I'm scared...

Benjamin Lim

@KannappanSampath I have not got around to buying the flour to make it....

Kannappan Sampath

@BenjaminLim May be you should try once again. No?

Benjamin Lim

@KannappanSampath I thought in india it should be very easy to go out and buy rawa dosa?

Matt N.

@tb The chief gollum is called Steve Ballmer. You better be scared.

Kannappan Sampath

@BenjaminLim Yes, except possibly in places like where I stay. This place where the institute is located is more close to forest than to habitats. :/

t.b.

23:49

well, how about doing it in a coordinate patch first?

Kannappan Sampath

sigh

@BenjaminLim Want to talk over skype? : )

t.b.

@MattN well, now I'm scared for real...

Benjamin Lim

@KannappanSampath you mean voice?

Matt N.

@tb : )

t.b.

@KannappanSampath what's up?

Benjamin Lim

23:51

@tb If you have skype I can add you in

Kannappan Sampath

@BenjaminLim Welll, yes. : )

2 mins ago, by Kannappan Sampath

@BenjaminLim Yes, except possibly in places like where I stay. This place where the institute is located is more close to forest than to habitats. :/

Benjamin Lim

ok

t.b.

@KannappanSampath oh, sorry, I missed that one.

@BenjaminLim Thanks, another time, with pleasure. I should be sleeping very soon and I'm just waiting for a phone call to arrive...

Matt N.

0_o

t.b.

well, it's not 1am everywhere..

Asaf Karagila

23:54

@tb Someone you know got arrested and you're waiting for that "BAIL ME OUTTA HERE!" call?

t.b.

exactly.

Benjamin Lim

@tb what time in switzerland now?

t.b.

1am.

Matt N.

@AsafKaragila The girlfriend, obviously. Without the bailing out though.

Skullpatrol

@tb Did you also know there was a semicolon between "life" and "is life?"

Asaf Karagila

23:56

Obviously.

t.b.

@Skullpatrol no, this detail escaped me so far...

Skullpatrol

@tb It gives it a little different meaning than I originally thought.

Matt N.

Sleepy. Still haven't found anything nice to think of though.

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