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17:00
2.13
@JonasTeuwen 2.1336m
No, slightly less.
Well, much less, I'm about 2.00.
The rector is just not so tall...
@JonasTeuwen Which is not very ordinary, sir. : )
Hmm 8-).
@GraceNote I see. Thanks again!
17:08
No problem. ♪
Does the ♪ have any meaning or are you in a happy mood?
She's singing along...
I'm a lumberjack and I don't care, I drink all night and I drink all day...
How do people insert that symbol in the first place?
Just like this: ♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪.
Forcefully.
17:11
As in what key combination, if it exists, does this?
Ctrl-c 8-).
@JonasTeuwen If an exclamation mark means emphasis, and a question mark means inquisition, then the music note there is an indication of playfulness and mirth.
@JonasTeuwen kidding?
No, dead srsly. Srsly.
I use Windows and I die everyday are isomorphic claims.
17:14
@KannappanSampath :-)
I am serious about that. I am going to get a hard disk. And save my data and get rid of the windows for some linux---Ubuntu to begin with...
I wish I'd been a girly just like my dear mamaaaa.
You guys have polluted my head with Monty Python.
@JonasTeuwen why so?
Because that phrase is echoing in my head.
@JonasTeuwen This is evident when you spell polluted as poluted.
17:18
That's your fault for being a lumberjack.
17:36
@AsafKaragila but he's okay.
No... he's not.
he sleeps all night, and he works all day ♪
$\unicode{x266A}$ ♪
The unicode looks better than the typed character.
@robjohn agreed. :)
There, my first answer in a loong time...
$\unicode{x266E}$-ly
I don't really buy the argument, "Where else am I going to ask it?". But I feel kinda bad about it now. Are reopen votes displayed? I don't see any on the question.
17:43
@tb $x(2+\sin(1/x))$ for strict monotonicity
@robjohn that's not monotonic...
(my first thought, too)
As some famous guy said: Everything is true if viewed in the right setting 8-).
No its not forget that.
@robjohn (I was waiting for you to increase the constants :))
@DylanMoreland If there are any reopen votes, they'd be shown just like close votes
17:47
@GraceNote Ah, thanks.
@robjohn I don't think it's possible for a monotonic function to have distinct finite right Dini derivatives, but I haven't been able to prove it, yet.
@DylanMoreland it's not really the responsibility of this site to suggest alternatives... I think by writing your comment, you've done enough.
18:08
How well can paper by recycled? Do I have to feel bad if I throw paper away that has about 1/4th left to scribble on?
No. You should waste as much paper as you can, because soon there will be no more paper to use and then you'll only be as manly as the amount of deforestation that you've caused.
Hmm...
I'm not sure about you, but I don't need that to prove my manhood 8-).
@JonasTeuwen Not right now you don't. Soon, though.
Laborious integrating assignments, no interesting results there at all. You integrate, find marginal densities and then conditional density, then expectation. Or find all functions that a probability theorist can think of: joint density, distribution, marginal density distribution, characteristic functions, moment generating functions. It's all holy....
18:26
@Ilya The new iPad is being presented as we speak!
Is there something like "different types of infinity"?
@Gigili Don't ask. You'll have Asaf all over you.
I need more fuel.
@Gigili Yes. There are several notions of infinity.
18:30
Not notions, Someone claimed:
"I know for sure mathematicians distinguish different types of infinities;"
And said there's a an explanation in this wikipedia article
In set theory, the cardinality of the continuum is the cardinality or “size” of the set of real numbers \mathbb R, sometimes called the continuum. It is an infinite cardinal number and is denoted by |\mathbb R| or \mathfrak c (a lowercase fraktur script c). The real numbers \mathbb R are more numerous than the natural numbers \mathbb N. Moreover, \mathbb R has the same number of elements as the power set of \mathbb N. Symbolically, if the cardinality of \mathbb N is denoted as \aleph_0, the cardinality of the continuum is :\mathfrak c = 2^{\aleph_0} > \aleph_0 \,. This was proven by Georg...
@Jonas Some integral troubles me a lot. Can you help me with it?
There is the $\infty$ from calculus, something which signifies the point larger than any real number. There is a different notion of infinity which discusses cardinality of sets (how many elements are in the set). It turns out that there are smaller and larger sizes of infinite sets.
@KannappanSampath Which integral?
$$\int_0^\infty \dfrac{e^{\frac{-u}{v}}e^{-v}}{v} dv$$
@Jonas that thingy you see there^^
@Gigili maybe the page on the diagonal argument would provide a better answer...
18:33
@KannappanSampath What is $u$?
@JonasTeuwen It is a real constant.
one might even say that there's more than "one" notion of infinity that comes from the real numbers....depending on whether you distinguish between $+\infty$ and $-\infty$
I think this integral does not converge and I don't understand how it can arise as a probability density of some continuous random variable. @Jonas
If $\operatorname{Re} u > 0$, then this is just twice the BesselK.
(the modified Bessel function of the second kind).
Thank you @AsafKaragila and @tb.
18:36
Why can't it converge? $v$ runs of to infinity, kills the first exponential and the second.
Muuuuuch faster than $v^{-1}$.
And in $0$ the first exponential flys off to $0$ 8-).
Looks very integrable to me! Plus it is just a Bessel function.
@JonasTeuwen Yes, $u \in (0,\infty)$ but my teacher did not tell us what they were. And, it comes up in his assignment. I don't need this integral but just curious to know how it can be a probability density of a random variable.
@Gigili Are you deleting your SE account altogether or just parts of it?
I was reading some integral tables yesterday with Bessels...
@KannappanSampath It is an integral, not a probability density.
@AsafKaragila Altogether, I guess.
@Gigili what? why?
18:39
@JonasTeuwen What do you mean? It is a function in $u$ and hence can be considered a density right?
@DavidWheeler Because you didn't buy neither me nor @tb a case of single malt whisky.
Oh, the integrand. Sure it is a probability density if you normalize it.
another week fraught with failure....
@JonasTeuwen Oh, I see. I know neither this nor Bessel, I think I should do his assignment like a blind mouse without looking for something interesting. It's atrocious you know?
You can prove that it converges without resorting to Bessels.
Estimate near $0$, then near $\infty$.
18:41
Like you did above?
(flying off and killing the exponentials....)
I have computed it there, so let's cut it off at say $1$, then we want to find $$\int \exp(-v/u) \exp(-u)/u \, du$$.
So just throw out some stuff (bound it from above), and then you have something you can calculate.
(A Gamma function).
Do the same for $[1, \infty)$.
@DavidWheeler I've lost my interest almost entirely.
You mean in $[0,1]$ case, set $1/u=t$ and throw away $\exp(-u)$ as it is bounded in that region?
18:46
@Gigili I can relate to the feeling, but why not just take a break? Why take so drastic measures :(
@Gigili interest in...? i admit, i'm lots more boring than i used to be. i attribute it to a loss of hair.
@KannappanSampath You can throw out the terms that don't help to keep it finite :-).
@tb Right but I want to do something to stop myself from wasting my time here.
2
One exponential takes care of the stuff around $0$, the other one around $\infty$ and for the middle we just have a continuous function on a compact set.
@JonasTeuwen I think I get it now. It's clear. And, to tell you, I have ordered a coffee maker.
18:47
Kickass!
That is also kickass.
I'm all out of fuel now, maybe I should go home for some throat lubricant.
Oh right, I also need food I think.
@KannappanSampath Well, estimating integrals is like the only thing I can do.
@JonasTeuwen What do you mean?
My PhD is about estimating integrals.
Very big ones.
@Gigili You have just shown interest in one of the most interesting aspects of mathematics ...
@JonasTeuwen Oh, I see. : )
@DavidWheeler You're not boring at all.
18:51
@Gigili Yes, this can be very difficult to achieve, I understand that very well -- you're talking to someone with very little self-discipline here. I can't give you a good recipe to get there...
@tb Maybe you lack good self-discipline, you sure have the stamina to write marvelous posts.
Is this abstract art @robjohn?
@tb So kind of you to say.
18:57
@robjohn nice...
@tb If we continue this at 1/12 the scale each time, it should make a continuous function with differing derivatives at 0
Nice? I have yet to discover what it is.
@JonasTeuwen Thank you... :)
@JonasTeuwen It is a piece of a continuous, monotonic function with different Dini derivatives at 0
Oh right.
Right, I'll go home now. Babai.
19:00
@JonasTeuwen have a safe trip home.
Thanks 8-).
I'll bike at 19 cents per kilometer.
@robjohn Yes, this should work.
@tb Having interest in something like math is, in my opinion, not as much an achievement as it is a curiosity about how to discipline your thinking.
@tb Do you want me to write this up explicitly (not just a graph)?
@JonasTeuwen Have a nice journey, and good day ahead.
19:01
@tb what leaves doubt?
@robjohn I think I am convinced :) It's just a (actually two) geometric series you exploit...
Beautiful.
Fractalish
Must be... I was walking down a dead end by trying to tweak the Denjoy-Young-Saks theorem...
@Gigili How much time do you "waste" here?
Why are you on silent mode @DavidWheeler?
19:08
@robjohn Are you going to elaborate this into an answer?
switches to the noisy mode and shouts DON'T WASTE TIME HERE!!!
@tb I could. If you want to incorporate it, I won't. I am almost capped today.
5 points short :-)
@JonasTeuwen And you still haven't killed yourself? Impressive! :-P
@robjohn It is your call, of course. It's fine with me either way... But that's much better than what I have.
(but don't waste too much time, because Robert Israel will show up any minute...)
@tb Okay, I will do it.
19:11
Moreover, it's very hard for me to "unsee" it.
@robjohn You can count on my vote... tomorrow!
@Skullpatrol Umm, hard to say. It differs from day to day. Actually my job is something that I need to be online all day long and SE is very distracting.
@tb Thanks for posting that message separately, I starred it recently.
@KannappanSampath Sorry, what do you mean?
@Gigili I agree it does get distracting sometimes.
@tb That R.I message was an interesting part of the transcript I wanted to star that, while the rest is not very interesting, you see. So, I thanked you for posting it separately!
19:16
@tb It is scant, but it is there.
@KannappanSampath Ah, when you said "recently" I thought you were referring to something I said a few days ago...
@Gigili But as I said to t.b. having interest in something like math is, in my opinion, not as much an achievement as it is a curiosity about how to discipline your thinking.
True.
@Skullpatrol Why should interest in anything be an achievement in itself?
@gigili Truth is what it is ALL about.
19:20
Home!
Hi there, so, did you earn your two bucks?
bleeh another deleted answer. I'm going for a record.
Yeah, I did.
@tb I would like to know something from you, given the fact, I will be learning and/or working in something close to Algebra. It is a two months program and I expect it will be taxing and I am willing to take it up. What do you think are the work ethics I should follow for a fruitful outcome?
@tb We might be able to add a finite (or possibly countable) number of these together to get more points of double derivative, but I won't bother with that yet.
19:22
@JonasTeuwen that was quick. You must not have far to go.
@Gigili Be true to yourself, when you ask the question "am I really interested in this stuff?"
@robjohn I think you can just replace each straight line with something of this kind, no?
Yeah, about 3,5 km.
@robjohn Jonas is known for doing things very quickly.
Google Celebrates Women's Day.
19:23
@Skullpatrol That's what I'm doing, thank you.
@tb perhaps with careful scaling to maintain monotonicity.
@AsafKaragila I'm not sure how I should parse that...
@KannappanSampath This is very hard for me to answer and I think you're asking the wrong person. My advice: work as hard as you can when you feel like it, but don't forget to take breaks occasionally. I was never able to work after a schedule or when I forced myself to work, this was rarely fruitful (at least not when it was about having ideas).
@AsafKaragila That might cause a problem on dates...
@Gigili But the stuff isn't the math it's the curiosity about how to discipline your thinking.
19:26
@robjohn I understand. I think I see how to get a countable set, now the challenge is to produce a Cantor set...
@KannappanSampath I'm in a similar situation as teddy concerning working, but I also suggest to take enough breaks. It misses with your mind if you don't! Srsly! 8-).
This is a LHF and I think I answered it in a comment. Should I convert that into an answer?
@tb That might be doable in a similar fashion. It's worth a bit of thought :-)
@KannappanSampath Do it!
@robjohn Maybe. I'm not entirely convinced yet :)
@KannappanSampath I fixed the LaTeX, give a nice hint :-)
19:29
It is nice that the software now removes the undeserved points from deleted posts immediately :)
@tb It's a recent embellishment to SE.
@Skullpatrol Oh well, my problem is I cannot tell you exactly what the problem is.
@Gigili That's OK
@Skullpatrol Sorry, my account was suspended once.
@Gigili Just be true to yourself.
19:33
@Gigili Lots of your answers have missed the entire point of the question. So, I think it would be good, if you stop relating totally unrelated things.
@tb Ah, was he gone? I just thought you were saying that he would be working on the problem we worked on.
I don't want to talk to you, stop pinging me.
@Gigili Well, then, you should stop writing totally useless comments too.
@Gigili Click on the avatar and ignore him
I choose not to reply to derogatory comments, but this is getting like a personal attack. To recount, @Gigili, you claimed that you did not want to talk to me [which you're free to, without announcing] not because I did not get your point [which I have no obligation to] but because I am an Indian. [This if you think is very reasonable, well, you MUST learn what is called a chat room] .

And, your account if you think was suspended for no reason, that means you feel your statements are reasonable. @Gigili
19:35
I don't know what the problem is the two of you are having with each other. Just try to avoid any kind of interaction with each other for a while.
You comment was useless and you should thank me for that.
Can we please not erupt into an argument about this?
@tb That's what I'm trying to do, this guy cannot understand.
@Gigili The OP's problem was not clear either. He put them as if it was a system of equation. And, my comment and the question being homework are unrelated. You fail to understand the question too.
You guys are even more crazy than I am.
19:37
Please stop this right now! Both of you.
I'm going to initiate a timeout in this room if this continues.
STOP PINGING ME.
You can blame it all on me
I started it
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Q: Ignore a user COMPLETELY

Gigili Possible Duplicate: Ignore responses to ignored users in chat Following this question, when I ignore someone in chat it just removes their messages. But what I need is to remove all they say and all other users say in reply to them. Is it possible? To search for the name of them and re...

I can't stand it.
I admit
19:39
@Skullpatrol No problem. That's perfect!
@tb: someone upvoted my answer, so I got 5 points and now $\stackrel{\large\wedge}{\odot}$
@GraceNote What does a timeout mean?
@robjohn You're a cyclops with a party hat?
@AsafKaragila Moment
@robjohn Oh, I was just saying that that's the kind of question he answers in a whiff... I haven't seen him today and it's usually around this time of day that he shows up.
19:41
@JonasTeuwen Yes! actually an eye with a cap :-)
@robjohn That was the main reason for leaving the comment to your answer...
@GraceNote Like in physics, or like "hang on one minute..."?
@tb I know and I meant to thank you for that, thanks!
@AsafKaragila Isn't that momentum?
@AsafKaragila No, as in, "Give me a moment, I just got a phone call, I'll get back to you when it's over"
19:42
I just went over Kanamori's proof of the Solovay model. It seems that I have quite a lot to study in a short time. I better make a chart of what claims I need to study.
@robjohn Oh, sorry, I was kind of distracted by the soap opera, so I didn't get it...
@JonasTeuwen No, that's your mother.
@GraceNote Ah. :-)
@tb The Bold And The Beautiful?
@tb It was "days of our lives"
Well, this is getting annoying with people making very impolite remarks and still considering their 30 minutes ban from the network unfair.
I like it
19:44
@KannappanSampath is it really necessary to continue this?
@tb you didn't miss anything, I was going to thank you and then I got disctracted
Kannappan, there is no ban from a room. There's a ban from the entire chat network.
temporary ban
30 min
timeout
Also, impoliteness is fine. I think that politeness is overrated. Screw politeness!!
you would
19:46
@AsafKaragila That is quite obvious ;-)
@Skullpatrol Well how about racism then?
@KannappanSampath learn to live with it, pal
@robjohn I agree. I should go out for a beer.
@AsafKaragila hey, I just put a mollifying filter on what you say and it becomes less pointed :-)
Well, the guy wanna study homotopy of shepherds...
@robjohn Like Gaussian Blur filter in photoshop?
19:48
@AsafKaragila just like that
Okay, @Asaf.
@robjohn Well, then... I'll just start using sharpening filters!
A timeout is basically silencing the room for a period of time. The only people who can talk are room owners and moderators during this period, generally only to tell people why there is a timeout.
@AsafKaragila Ouch! Asaf under the unsharp mask!
Ah, mollifiers.
19:50
@GraceNote I see.
Well, I don't mind giving a set theory lecture in that duration! :-D
Hooray for owning the room!
@AsafKaragila can we please change the room owner? :)
@AsafKaragila Hooray!
@GraceNote Oh, that applies to the whole room. whimper
Then I would need to work :-(
@robjohn Yes, it does. But when you've got 4+ people running their mouths (well, hands, I guess) and things are getting heated, it's the better solution.
@tb Well, I can give one about functional analysis related set theory... :-P
@robjohn This is how the chat ends. Not with a BANG, but with a whimper.
19:52
The main thing is that it's a means to stop all sides of any heated issue. Whereas, all other means of solution tend to be mono-directional.
@tb we could, but a mod might not like being booted :-D
@robjohn insurgence!
@GraceNote I understand. It is a technique used on siblings.
I recall becoming the Koenig. I started a revolution against the Koenig.
@GraceNote But, I should tell you no one has ever been so uncouthe and unpleasant in this room. One thing I cannot tolerate is her making a regiospecific remark. Well, I am totally unable to forget this uncouthe behaviour of people.
19:53
Okay, I have a few publishable results, but how do I make myself finish the loose ends? 8-).
@tb watch out Marc!
@JonasTeuwen You pay a guy to shoot everyone and burn the bodies.
I have a feeling like: "Ah, it's done!"
@tb Could you please elaborate on your question: "Why should interest in anything be an achievement in itself?"
@KannappanSampath I can figure that you find meaningful justification in why you feel that way, but at the same time, bringing up the topic only seems to be making tempers flare and not really improving even that which you are unhappy about, neh?
19:56
@GraceNote Yes, really. I think I should learn to live. :/
@Skullpatrol You wrote "having interest in something like math is, in my opinion, not as much an achievement as it is a curiosity about how to discipline your thinking." I asked: How can having interest in (fill in any subject) be an achievement?
If your stance is that you will not forgive for this remark, then bringing up the remark is only really going to make yourself more sour on the matter.
Listen to her, Kannappan. She's gonna save you a fortune on therapy later in life. :-)
@GraceNote Anyway, I am hard--refreshing my memory to get rid of the feeling. : )
@Skullpatrol If my English isn't failing on me the first part of your sentence is implying that having interest in math is already an achievement. I objected by saying that I don't see that merely having interest in something is already an achievement.
19:59
@KannappanSampath does that involve a wall and a decent amount of momentum?

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