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18:00
:-)
@tb It wasn't pretty, though. I went as low as answering basic arithmetic questions in an attempt to summon forth rep. (Worked handsomely, though).
@AsafKaragila Now factor out the action by the subgroup. The covering projection of the universal covering factors through this projection and what you want to show is then more or less a tautology.
@HenningMakholm ah, if you wanna cap, go for LHF!!
Those fruit hung so low that they already have roots...
I am getting scaringly close to a bronze badge in [real-analysis]...
@tb Real or complex? :-)
imaginary
Ah, very good.
18:03
Algebraic topology in $2$ hours ..... And, here is Asaf talking about imaginary analysis! :/
I already told you guys, I am very good at working while not working.
I'm almost finished.
(And no, I am so exhausted that I won't work any faster if I just work.)
@KannappanSampath I'm not sure I understand what you're asking.
Oh, @tb, I volunteered to give a seminar lecture on Solovay's model on Monday (on top of everything else I have to do!)
Wonderful! You do everything to make this AT thingie even more painful :)
Well, I have to submit the assignment today, which leaves me the next few days prepare myself.
18:06
Oh, I thought you were talking about yesterday :)
If I could pull the Whitehead proof in one night, and that was algebra, I can pull the Solovay model in a day if I try too.
Oh, no. We are starting a descriptive set theory seminar in Jerusalem.
That sounds cool. By the way, I glanced over Moschovakis's book recently. Beautiful!
(This guy has a real knack for writing leisurely but having awesome precision)
@tb Suppose we have a function $g(x)$, $$g(x)=\begin{cases}1, ~~~\text{$1 \le x \le 3$} \\ 2, ~~~\text{$3 < x \le 5$} \end{cases}$$
@tb Which one? The notes on set theory or the descriptive one?
@AsafKaragila DST of course, but the notes on set theory are great, too.
18:10
Suppose I am struggling to understand how I'll find $S(f,\dot P)$ given only that $\|\dot P \| \le \delta$
@KannappanSampath TeX note: write $$g(x)=\begin{cases} 1, & 1 \le x \le 3 \\\ 2, & 3 \lt x \le 5 \end{cases}$$ to get $$g(x)=\begin{cases}1, & 1 \le x \le 3 \\\ 2, & 3 \lt x \le 5 \end{cases}$$
@tb Indeed. (Hmm, actually I just pased him in the all-time league).
@HenningMakholm Oh, I was talking about low hanging fruit, not the contributor to the site :)
@tb Sure noted. From the nest time.... : ) Thank you.
(something's odd with the spacing)
18:12
@tb Aha :-)
I wonder if I can catch up with JM while he's internet-less.
@tb Firstly I knew that we have to split the partition $\dot P$ to $\dot P_1$ and $\dot P_2$ each for case $1$ and case $2$ of the function.
@DylanMoreland I can't seem to tag you in a comment in my question that you just answered - I've added a small follow up question
@KannappanSampath Are those names in of forcing posets in an iterated forcing?
18:18
@AsafKaragila No, they are tagged partitions over the intervals where the first and second piece of the functions are defined.
@KannappanSampath I am. I'm following.
@AsafKaragila well, if his internetlessness extends to his email, then it's probably gonna be difficult.
Que?
@KannappanSampath Then I am not too interested.
Right. Hurewicz homomorphism - done.
Now I just need that last part about subgroups of $\pi_1$.
Now, what I don't understand is, from here Bartle and Sherbert claim that, the union of the intervals in $\dot P_1$, say $\mathcal I$ is such that $$[1,3-\delta]\subseteq \mathcal I \subseteq [1,3+\delta]$$ @tb
@AsafKaragila oh, now I see, you meant rep-wise - d'oh
Oh, you thought that I meant with his personal life? Well, while I am indeed curious about the personal lives of a few people in this chatroom I am not that interested...
18:24
@KannappanSampath well, how exactly do you define $\dot P_1$?
(and note that $3$ need not be a point belonging to your partition)
@AsafKaragila I see... :)
@AsafKaragila wonderful. How many down, how many to go?
@tb The $\dot P_1$ is a "tagged partition" that contains alll the points of $\dot P$.
Well, looking at a friend's assignment it seems that the argument I need to finish that last question shouldn't take more than a paragraph.
@KannappanSampath That seems not correct. Didn't you split the partition $\dot P$ into two parts according to your function $g$?
So, since $\dot P_1$ is a partition it is forced to contain the point $3$.
why?
Isn't $\dot{P}$ a partition of $[1,5]$?
18:27
Shall I drop the dots over the heads of $P$'s? Any way, we are bothering only about tagged partition?
@tb ^^
some partition of [1,5] contains the point 3
Oy vey! I pulled a muscle in my back.
@DavidWheeler sure, but we're talking about a given partition...
i mean some element of the given partition contains the point 3
@robjohn: Do you remember the emoticon showing your son while listening to the music?
18:30
Woot, the university pays my bike and pays me 225 EUR to use it each year 8-).
No, I start with a partition $P$ (dots dropped). Now consider the partition that you can complete for $[1,3]$ from only the points of $P$ and adding possibly the end points. I call this $P_1$. @tb
@AsafKaragila There are indigenous ways here, yo!
Are you sure you want to do that?
(that doesn't seem to be what Bartle and co are doing)
@KannappanSampath Huh?
the union of all the elements that contain only elements < 3 is contained in the union of elements that contain "some" element < 3
@AsafKaragila There are indigenous ways of solving that problem. : )
18:31
@JonasTeuwen So will you be taxed on the benefit of a employer-provided means of transportation?
@tb Well, I then don't understand. Let me quote now:
@KannappanSampath basically you should just read what David just wrote.
@KannappanSampath Yes, like taking a hot shower and massaging the painful area under hot water. I just need to finish this first... Unless you mean something like suicide, in which case I'm not sure it would actually solve the problem as it will take a quotient by the subgroup of complaints... :-)
Then what is $P_1$?
sorry, bbl
18:34
@tb Pizza arrived?
i'm not reading your text, but given ANY partition of [1,5], you can form the two unions i mentioned.
@HenningMakholm No, it is tax-free.
what you want is the element of P in the set difference
@DavidWheeler Can we be a bit slow?
Firstly we start with a partition $P$ of $[1,5]$, right?
it's going to be some closed interval like $[3-\delta_1,3+\delta_2]$, unless it's a "regular" partition in which case the delta's will be the same
18:38
Now, we consider $P_1$ --- that contains all the points less than $3$ in the partition, right?
ok, but such a subset of P may contain points in [3,5]
@DavidWheeler How is that? Our definition is all those points less than $3$ right?
the union of the subintervals in P1 "cover" [1,3] but don't equal [1,3]
@DavidWheeler I agree with this point.
here is a simply example, suppose our partition consisted of subintervals 2/3 long
18:41
Yes it shoots $[1,3]$ by $1/3$ agreed.
except for the last one, which we truncate....then we have [1,5/3],[5/3,7/3], etc.
in this case, the element [7/3,3] stops "right at 3", but we don't know that every partition does that
Yes. I think I got this point. I'll return if I have another issue. The next point seems to be about the sums. Let me come to that.
@AsafKaragila so to speak :)
the idea is, if the partition is very fine, there's some interval that may "straddle 3"
which is going to matter for summing over the interval [1,5] because we have a discontinuity there
Oh, I see. I got the very definition of $P_1$ wrong for like till 9 hours.
@DavidWheeler yes, sure. I see the whole point now.
18:46
you see, we don't know which value of g we're going to get for the "tagged value" of x in the interval containing 3.
and we want to have some "definite" value, so we can say something about the "entire sum"
Yes, so cleverly we defined the partition itself to have those intervals for whic tag value is definite.
since g is discontinuous, we can't just use a "squeeze theorem" by taking limits
@DavidWheeler I am not getting this though.
but, if we can get the "deltas" surrounding 3 small enough, we can ignore that subinterval
i take it you're trying to integrate something, eventually, and you want to show that a finite number of discontinuities don't change the integral
@DavidWheeler I am doing this Riemann integral myself. In class, we are doing the Darboux's formulation. This looks exciting and hence...
18:51
or: put another way, if one is going to use integrals of step functions to approximate integrals of other functions, the step functions themselves ought to be integrable
@DavidWheeler yes! good moral. : )
@tb Well "pizzas" are people too! :-P
and the point with the riemann integral, is we are going to let the "mesh" of the partition go to 0, which will force the "deltas" to go to 0 as well (they have to be smaller than the mesh)
if not, then one of the sub-intervals stops at 3.
the difference between the darboux and the riemann integral, is that in the riemann integral, we don't specify "which" element of the subinterval we tag. any one will do.
in the darboux, we take the inf and the sup
Let D be the area in the $xy$-plane, restricted by $$ (x-2)^2 + y^2 = 4 $$. Calculate $$ \iint_D (\sqrt{x^2+y^2}) \, \mathrm{d}A $$
18:59
for a lot of functions, this corresponds to min and max
Any tips on this one? My try was to translate the coordinate system, and use polar integration
and what was the difficulty?
The translation
Use Haar measures, those are invariant under translations.
@DavidWheeler Who are you explaining that to?
19:04
@Gigili explaining what?
$$ \int_0^2 \int_0^{2\pi} \sqrt{\cos(\theta- 2)^2r^2 + r^2 \sin^2(\theta)} \, r \, \mathrm{d}r \mathrm{d}\theta $$
But yeah, not sure if this is correct or not
@Gigili kannappan
@N3buchadnezzar: why not draw a picture? You have a cylinder and remove a cone...
@tb I've noticed but seems like he's talking to the wall.
@tb That makes sense =)
I made a drawing, but only of the bottom of the figure. I have still problems setting up the integral
@Gigili Would the two of you stop fighting? It's enough that this chat has to suffer through that Scalawagtroll guy.
@N3buchadnezzar I would use polar coordinates but I would not translate. You should get an integral of the form $$\int_{0}^4 \int_{\text{a function of } r}^{\text{another function of }r} r\,d\varphi\,dr$$
I am just trying to get some tips for my problem, I am not trying to be a douche =( I am only trying to learn this, and my book have few examples.
Sorry, I wouldn't. My account was suspended for nothing.
@tb Why are you using 4, is not the radii of the circle 2?
I leave the origin untouched and I don't translate. Twice the radius is $4$...
19:14
Sigh, I just do not understand
$D$ is a circle of radius $2$ centered at $(2,0)$.
@N3buchadnezzar Sorry I should have written $r \cdot r \,d\varphi\,dr$ in the integrand (one $r$ is your function and the other $r$ from the change of variables into polar coordinates).
I choose not to reply to derogatory comments, but this is getting like a personal attack. To recount, @Gigili, you claimed that you did not want to talk to me [which you're free to, without announcing] not because I did not get your point [which I have no obligation to] but because I am an Indian. [This if you think is very reasonable, well, you MUST learn what is called a chat room] .
@tb Yes, I know this much
And, your account if you think was suspended for no reason, that means you feel your statements are reasonable. @Gigili
But I do not see why you use double the radii, or how you find the angle expressed through r
19:18
i agree with t.b....translating makes the integrand ugly, better to make the limits of integration ugly instead
to find the limits, you need to figure out how far away from the origin a point on the boundary of D is
If I have not made myself clear, as in, if I see more derogatory comments, I have this same message on a .txt file which I'll painlessly reproduce here. [cf. with all the efforts you'll have to put in to type things.] : ) @Gigili
could someone explain to me wth is going on?
@N3buchadnezzar Again, I'm not translating the coordinate system. Since $D$ is a disk of radius $2$ centered at $(2,0)$ the radius $r$ must go from $0$ to $4$. Now you have to determine the angle of the two intersections of the circle of radius $2$ around $(2,0)$ with the circle of radius $r$ around $(0,0)$. This should give you something like $\pm \arctan{(\text{something with a square root})}$ for the upper and lower bounds of the inner integral.
(What I'm trying to exploit is that $f(r\cos\varphi,r\sin\varphi) = r$ but I haven't done the computation.)
Finally getting down with business! :/
@DavidWheeler It started when I had my picture as avatar and this guy kept addressing me as "he" and adding "I don't care [you're female]". Like I do care he's male or all the other people here are as well.
19:29
so now i'll never get to see how beautiful you are. good going, dude.
@tb Yay! I thought I'd miss you today.
Hello there. : )
@MattN Matt!
@MattN No you didn't and I won't go away for a while :)
@tb How unusual! : )
@KannappanSampath Hi. I'm very sorry for the balls up today.
@MattN As I announced last week, things are slowly going back to normal...
19:31
@MattN you wondered if i made a mistake, i assure you, i did not
Well, @Gigili, Can you present the true facts. When on hell, did I say, "I don't care [you're female]"? Yes, I'd say, I don't care but never have I said, you're a female. Like you announced you were not going to me, you should have announced, well this is my real self. How am I supposed to know people whose avatar is a female is a female? @Gigili. I would definitely need you to clarify this point.
@tb I thought that was after the end of this week. : )
@DavidWheeler So are you planning to study the book with us then? I guess I'll let you in : )
@KannappanSampath i knew a girl, who got very offended every time someone in an online game called her "man"
@GraceNote Ello Grace : ) Long time no see.
Well, the whole question is, how am I supposed to know she is a she in the first place.
19:33
@MattN Hi again. I wish this were a pleasure visit.
@MattN yes, i'll need to find a copy of the book, but i'm very interested in the material (i want to know more about algebras)
@GraceNote Flagged un-pleasantries?
@MyCat: Never mind licking my hair! It was cleaner before you licked it yuck
@GraceNote does that mean something bad? i didn't do it. i have no recollection of it.
19:35
@GraceNote Lucky me, I missed it. : )
I'm just here for data gathering, really. Figuring out what is happening.
@GraceNote Hi Grace! I've seen the flag and I think Kannappan and Gigili have a misunderstanding that keeps going on and on and on. But it should be possible to sort it out without a major uproar.
No need for anyone to panic now. ♪
@tb That's what I'm drawing, here, too, hence why I'm here for data gathering.
And, mediation, if it comes to that.
i take it the fact your username is blue means you're someone special? will obsequiousness count against me?
I don't even know what Obsequiousness is, haha. A blue user on chat is a chat moderator (in other words, anyone who is a moderator on any site on Stack Exchange).
I personally am a Community Coordinator working for Stack Exchange. Nice to meet you. ♪
19:38
To the high rep users here: can you see why this was deleted?
@MattN Self-deleted
full of or exhibiting servile compliance; fawning
@GraceNote Oh my. A word you don't know? Now I've seen everything.
@GraceNote Thanks. He must've found out the answer himself then.
@DavidWheeler Ah, gotcha
19:39
@MattN yes, the question looks reasonable and it was deleted about an hour after posting. (Didn't you ask something very similar about a year ago?)
it was a question
@DavidWheeler here's more about Grace ♪
@tb Possible. I don't remember whether I did but I do know the answer to this one.
@tb The shorter version can be found in my bio on any site.
@MattN My mentor loaded me with a bunch more of exercises on the Power set ring. He said that ring is "mildly powerful" that you'll learn a lot of ring theory playing with them. : )
19:41
I was about to go to bed when I saw it and lazy as I am (and not obsessed enough) I decided that I'd answer it in the morning.
But then it was already deleted.
oh my, an otaku
@MattN That was a pessimistic estimate :)
@DavidWheeler I wouldn't put it that way, not even considering how much of a video game fan I am.
@KannappanSampath Alright. Cool with me. Btw, I've been thinking that it would probably be better for you if we do the exercises in the morning (my morning) then it's not so late for you. So what do you say if we do that tomorrow (i.e. about 11 hours from now)?
19:43
@MattN That's the time I'll have classes :/
@tb Yes, so I did ask it. I'm glad at least one of us doesn't have Alzheimer's ; )
it's ok, the fact you know what it means sort of proves my point
@tb Looks like they will be particularly qualified to clear up a spat that seems to have started as a case of mistaken gender ...
@KannappanSampath Oh. Well then let's not do that. : )
@Gigili you mean d-_-b ?
19:44
@DavidWheeler Not if you misconclude things like that I'm specifically a fan of shows, since that'd be the incorrect conclusion.
@MattN Early mornings here, like $5$ houurs from now is good enough but I realise that is a bad thing for you. :/
@robjohn Exactly, thank you.
+1 for intelligence -2 for wit
I was quite surprised today. I was bracing for a lot of pain and suffering but Commutative Algebra is not so bad at all. Maybe I start to get the hang of maths a bit. But let's not count my chickens before they're hatched.
@MattN I assure you that you do, as far as I can tell...
(except the last sentence)
19:46
: D
so, perhaps unhatched chickens is an uncountable set?
@MattN Pish! Counting chickens is what maths is about, eventually. Go get started, the earlier the better!
It was also quite reassuring to hear that guys around here thought about maths already when they were in high school. Made me feel less bad for lagging behind.
Can someone help me differentiate between a line and a sentence?
@HenningMakholm : D
19:48
A line of text.
This is a line of text.
Generalize to arbitrary strings.
@KannappanSampath What do you mean?
@DavidWheeler The first sentence in a line. The second sentence. The third. The fourth. Is this right?
@MattN ...oh, goody. I was worried there was something I was missing.
@KannappanSampath No. Not at all. But at the moment I'm bonged out. Maybe if you give me an hour of rest we can do some more exercises if that's not too late for you.
@KannappanSampath In which context?
19:50
Setences have a complete grammatical structure.
For the love of god, and all that is holy... my AT is bleeding!
what happened asaf?
@tb I think I owe most of this to you because you made my (mathsy) life pain free.
I am having a hard time getting myself to finish this argument.
@AsafKaragila Hey. Have you finished the assignment?
19:52
One... last... argument... must... not... give... up...
(^: D) We can all help you, how about that? (not me though, I think I don't know enough AT)
Help me with what?
Finishing your assignment. Obviously.
This is a covering spaces question, it's pretty basic stuff.
are you still fighting that fundamental subgroup thing?
19:53
Yeah, although to be honest I was on the phone for 15 minutes...
@AsafKaragila Never learned about covering spaces but why don't you just tell us what you're stuck with.
@MattN That's very nice to hear but let's not forget that it is you who did the hard work :)
I think I resolved that sentence and line problem : )
Well, let $(Y,y_0)$ be a nice space (path connected, locally contractible), and let $H$ be a subgroup of $\pi_1(Y,y_0)$.
19:54
So someone asked: _what is the difference between "infinite moment" and "moments don't exist"?_
and I was gearing up for a discussion of Zeno's paradoxes ...
he has a space, X, with a distingusihed point $x_0$ and a group consisting of homotopy classes on X
I need to construct a covering space $(X,x_0)$ such that $\pi_1(X,x_0)=H$.
@tb If you take work minus pain it becomes fun : ) So I'm not sure what you mean by hard work : )
Well, equal through the injective homomorphism induced by the covering map $\rho$.
@GraceNote was that in celebration of the resolution?
19:55
I have the space, and I'm like... that close to finish.
googles covering space
@KannappanSampath Aye
if you have a group monomorphism, it's "standard" to regard the domain as a subgroup of the co-domain
David, yes. However these are different spaces and the fundamental groups are different objects which are well defined. We can identify, but it's not the same (and we need that assumption).
So consider all the paths in $Y$ whose starting point is $y_0$, we say that $\gamma\sim_H\tau$ if $\gamma(1)=\tau(1)$ and $[\gamma\ast\tau^{-1}]\in H$, where $\cdot^{-1}$ is the inverse path and $\ast$ is concatenation.
We define $\rho:X\to Y$ by $\rho([\gamma]_H)=\gamma(1)$. This is well defined and all that shizzle.
what is "X" in your definition?
19:59
Right. $X$ is the collection of equivalence classes under $\sim_H$.
ok, an equivalence class of paths
The topology is painfully defined by the locally contractible neighborhoods in such way that $\rho$ is indeed a covering map.
Let $x_0$ denote the constant loop in $\pi_1(Y,y_0)$ so $x_0(t)=y_0$.
Note that $\gamma\in H$ if and only if $\gamma\sim_H x_0$.
the 'default" loop, 'kay
Since $X$ has the homotopy lifting property we can lift $\gamma$ to a unique path in $X$ starting at $x_0$, and it ends in $x_0$ as well since $\gamma\in H$.
So we have that $H\subseteq\rho_\ast(\pi_1(X,x_0))$, which is fine. Now I need to show the other direction, that is take a loop in $\pi_1(X,x_0)$ and argue why its image is in $H$.
Hm. I think if we take $\gamma\notin H$ then it is not $\sim_H$ to $x_0$ so it has to end at a different point, thus not a loop in $X$.
Suppose the image is not in $H$, then you would not be able to submit the AT assignment. This <quote> for the love of god and all that is holy </quote> contradicts the fact that Asaf is the owner of this room.
20:08
Cool. The reimplemented reputation tab shows votes on CW answers.
why does it have to end in a different point?
I think we proved that in class. I'll make a phone call to a classmate.
Or was that only in case of a universal cover...
i think a good X to think about is the torus, where we have, essentially, two different kinds of loops: the ones around the hole, and the ones through the hole and around.
the cover of one kind is a cylinder.
the universal cover is the plane, all the loops are trivial
when you quotient the plane (in one direction), you create non-trivial loops.
@tb I am looking for a template like the functional analysis notes of the Hermit and Ward. Do you have an idea where they exist?
(I have written out some notes on integration and the style sucks)
@KannappanSampath I don't know what they used. I myself like the ams styles (amsart, amsbook, etc.)
20:23
@tb Shall I link you to the notes so you can comment on the style?
Do you mean layout-wise or content-wise?
@tb That I have Miktex means I have AMS-LaTeX or no?
No idea.
@tb Layout wise now, but I'd like the other one too... : )
Hi, I just want to say that non-noetherian rings give me a headache....
20:26
@KannappanSampath I think so
If I have a set C = {4, 2, 1, 3} it has a cardinality of 4, if I have a set of C = {4, 2, 1, 3, 1} is this still called a set and if so does it still have a cardinality of 4?
@tb Yes, given that I knew TeX only in 2011, this is sure.
@johnthexiii Yes.
@anonymous Hi, anonymous, thanks for sharing :)
@johnthexiii Google Multisets for more. : )
@tb No, you wouldn't look at them now? </3
20:29
@KannappanSampath by the way, whatever layout you decide to use, amsmath is a package you absolutely do want to load.
The funny (or sad) thing is that my ideals are f.g, but still things are bad since the ring is non-noetherian
@KannappanSampath Oh, for heaven's sake, just post the link!
@tb Yes I am using AMSART class for the file
@KannappanSampath And you don't like it, why?
Gee, it's been a while since this room was this crowded...
I was thinking that.
It's unpredictable.
20:31
@anonymous What are you trying to do?
@tb The reason is likely to be obvious from the file. I mean, It looks a little terrible. Those headings and stuff...
@tb This is the file.
@t.b. I doing some calculations with derived torsion and derived completion. In the noetherian situation, you can compute them using tensoring or homing with the infinite Koszul complex (the Cech complex). This is not always true in the non-noetherian case, so I have to work hard to show that in my cases it is the case
I think this should be moved to SO. What do you think?
@MattN I think yes.
I'll flag it.
20:35
@MattN I voted to close and move to stats.SE
I voted to close too. But I think it gets answered faster on SO.
@tb I think I did that too.
@KannappanSampath got it.
@tb Oh, sure. How does that look, terrible right?
Good evening everybody
20:38
Hi Ilya.
@Ilya Evening, Ilya! Hi...
Good evening.
Yikes you tricked me into looking at a statistics/probability question!
20:40
@anonymous Sheesh, it's been a while and it's quite a bit outside my comfort zone... Have you checked whether the memoir by Beligiannis and Reiten is of any help?
@MattN haha! I should before bet with you that you never will look there :)
@Ilya I saw. gives a carrot to Ilya
@MattN eats that carrot, thinking that he is not a donkey
@KannappanSampath well, you don't seem to be using the proper theorem/definition environments, do you?
@Ilya I'd win that since now I can't see anymore. : )
20:42
@tb No I have tweaked them a bit. But, is there any definition environment. I have tweaked the theorem environment for both the defns and theorem...
@KannappanSampath well, would this look be more like your tastes?
@Ilya Well, there's nothing wrong about an accept rate in the fourties. It shows that the user knows that the accept button is there and what it's for; I'm not sure one could (or reasonably ought to) expect more. The SE people were told this, loudly, when the accept rate counter was introduced, but claimed that it probably wouldn't turn out to be a problem. Sigh.
in fact I wanted to comment Michael about some of his not-accepted questions - but then thought that Didier would do it better. And I was right :)
@t.b., thanks for the reference. This is not really what I'm doing (I'm much more concrete), but this looks interesting. I'll check it out.
@HenningMakholm I don't judge Michael, that's his choice. He is totally not a bad member of MSE
ok, I am leaving for a dinner, @Matt: know that your carrot was not enough
20:45
@Ilya I wasn't implying that. Merely airing my own slight exasperation at Didier's thinking 42% is worth commenting on.
@Ilya Ok. Enjoy. : )
@HenningMakholm that's Didier's choice - but I am not always agree with him. And I had a similar exchange of comment with him when I was younger :)
@tb Yes, I am sure I like that better than mine. For one, I like the numbering scheme and the way headings appaer in small caps. :-)
well, I'm using `\documentclass[a4paper, 10pt]{amsart}` there and
`\usepackage{amsthm, amsmath}` together with some custom specs for the theorem, definition and remark environments.
\newtheoremstyle{mythm}% hnamei
{6pt}% hSpace abovei
{6pt}% hSpace belowi
{\itshape}% hBody fonti
{}% hIndent amounti1
{\scshape}% hTheorem head fonti
{.}% hPunctuation after theorem headi
{.5em}% hSpace after theorem headi2
{}%

\newtheoremstyle{mydef}% hname
{6pt}% hSpace abovei
{6pt}% hSpace belowi
{}% hBody fonti
{}% hIndent amounti1
{\scshape}% hTheorem head fonti
{.}% hPunctuation after theorem headi
{.5em}% hSpace after theorem headi2
{}%
@tb In case you want to see how I have modified some environments here is .tex file.
20:53
Then
\theoremstyle{mythm}
\newtheorem{Thm}{Theorem}[section]
\theoremstyle{mydef}
\newtheorem{Def}[Thm]{Definition}
To get the numbering in front of the titles use \swapnumbers. All this is explained in more detail in the amsthm package specs.
@tb I shall read that.
@tb That's a long paper. I thought papers were around 3-15 pages on average.
good night
Good night.
I am totally impressed by the way it looks. (Ignorant of what is written there, as I don't understand).
20:57
@MattN My average is about 4 times higher than your upper bound. (The published version of that one was about 70 pages...)
@tb I've not seen any maths papers though. That's my average over computer science papers I've seen.
@MattN I would say everything up to 8 pages is very short. Normal papers in pure math are 10-20 pages, but occasionally they grow to 40 or fifty. More pages are the exception, I think.
Do you still want typo corrections for that?
I guess it's a bit late for that.
@MattN Well, it's already printed and the printing process completely messed it up, but thanks. Did something jump at you?
@tb Well good to know. : )

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