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17:00
@DHMO Find an infinite set such that any set of positive measure contains a similar copy
@Daminark what does similar mean?
quick question: does the irreducibility of a polynomial in a field depend on whether there are roots in it, or whether you can write it as the product of 2 polynomials with coefficients in the root, because I want to know if $x^4-2$ is irreducible in Q($2^{1/2}$), and I know there aren't roots in it, but can't you also write it as ($x^2 + $2^{1/2}$)($x^2 - $2^{1/2}$)
Affine map taking one to the other
@user432995 $\Bbb Q[\sqrt2]$.
17:02
@DHMO Were you the one trying to find the minimal polynomial of $\sqrt2+\sqrt3$?
Not Q($2^{1/2}$). (I'm sorry
@AkivaWeinberger yes i was
Hi @Akiva again lol
Are you aware of the (easier) Galois theory version?
Hi
@user432995 roots are just linear factors.
@Akiva I think that's what I just did, stop stealing my thunder :P
17:03
Oh, sorry
@AkivaWeinberger I know how to find it. That wasn't how I stated the problem.
2 hours ago, by DHMO
@Secret Use linear algebra to find the minimal polynomial of $\sqrt 2 + \sqrt 3$
@Akiva I wrote a matrix corresponding to multiplication by $\sqrt 2 + \sqrt 3$ in $\mathbb Q(\sqrt 2, \sqrt 3)$
Oh, then that's not the Galois theory version
It doesn't use matrices
oh, shrug
@BenMillwood that's nice
17:05
Can I share it (even though it's not linear algebra)?
@AkivaWeinberger the point isn't really to find the minimal polynomial. that's easy
the point is using linear algebra
@AkivaWeinberger of course
@Akiva oh, I was thinking of mine as the Galois theory version of the linear algebra question
I know that there are no roots to $x^4 - 2$ in $\Bbb{Q}[\sqrt{2}]$, but does that mean my factorization is an invalid one?: $(x^{2}+\sqrt{2})((x^{2}-\sqrt{2}$
since Galois theory is half linear algebra anyway :P
@user432995 your polynomial is reducible
@Daminark I've no idea what affine means lol
17:06
@user432995 a polynomial can have no roots and still be reducible
@DHMO Linear map + translation
no roots iff irreducible only works for polynomials of degree 2 or 3
$$(x+\sqrt2+\sqrt3)\cdot(x+\sqrt2-\sqrt3) \cdot\\ (x-\sqrt2+\sqrt3)\cdot (x-\sqrt2-\sqrt3)$$
Hey @Alessandro!
And @Akiva!
17:07
Hi @Dami
and Hi @Ted
@AkivaWeinberger alright
oh i see thank you very much
howdy Demonark, @Alessandro, DogAteMy
Like of the form $T: \Bbb R^n \to \Bbb R^n$ mapping $\mathbf{x} \to A\mathbf{x} + \mathbf{y}$
Hey @Ted!
17:07
Because those are the four conjugates of $\sqrt2+\sqrt3$
How's it going?
@Astyx: Yes, DogAteMy gave the same counterexample. I'm adding the condition $f'(0)>0$ and then it's correct.
@Daminark what is the domain?
morning @TedShifrin
hi @Faust
17:08
$\mathbb{R}^n$
@DHMO having written my matrix, it's clear that the characteristic polynomial of that matrix is a polynomial with $\sqrt 2 + \sqrt 3$ as a solution. I haven't thought much about how linear algebra might tell you it's the minimal such
Why not just the whole space
arent you super busy with all the finals n stuff?
@AkivaWeinberger how?
who's that question for, @Faust?
17:09
Oh wait
Never mind
Now I'm confused
lol you im suprised to see you here all my profs are super swamped
@Faust: I retired a while ago. But where I taught finals aren't for almost another month or so.
9 mins ago, by Daminark
@DHMO Find an infinite set such that any set of positive measure contains a similar copy
@Daminark I'm gonna say cantor set just because.
Fat Cantor set probably gives a counterexample
17:10
how?
It shouldn't have any (standard) Cantor sets in it, I don't think
wow congrats your like the only retired math prof i know
I thought they are homeomorphic
I know, but he said he wants similarity, not homeomorphism
@DHMO Homeomorphisms are different from affine maps here
17:11
It's homeomorphic but not similar
alright
ive known two that retired but both of them came back lol
@Daminark Wait. Affine isn't the same as similar
All triangles are affine-congruent
Don't you want some sort of orthogonality condition?
DogAteMy: Aren't we talking $\Bbb R$ here?
He said $\Bbb R^n$
17:12
Oh.
Similar here is supposed to mean affine, not your normal similarity
affinely equivalent, you mean
Yeah
well, @Faust, I've been trying to do various sorts of volunteer teaching/tutoring, but pretty much everyone I contact about it ignores me.
17:14
Your kidding! where are you ?
San Diego
mm i dont know much about the states but that seems really hard to imagine where im from
It's a strange world.
Hi @Ted
Hi Zach
17:16
How do you do?
Meh, still somewhat sickly. What have you figured out today?
Nothing yet. :P
But I did up to 17 yesterday
You should get some crowd funded recording gear and do videos on differential geometry or something
Now I have to figure out 17
OK, 17 is quite cool.
It's actually affine geometry, so you've thought about it a little before.
17:18
oh while your here in the poincare disc i know that all ideal triangles are isometric
@Faust: When I videoed all my multivariable math lectures, I discovered that not having a class there to interact naturally with totally ruins the experience/lecture. (One of the videos did not download correctly and I had to re-record the lecture, but with no students.)
i tried to show that it was true for ideal polygons by subjugating them into ideal triangles
but it didnt work
Interesting, @Faust. I've never thought about that. We'd need an isometry of the Poincaré disk taking any three boundary points to any three boundary points. Can we find one of those?
@Ted Shifrin been playing around with some Differential Geometry
ah i could see how that would be hard
17:20
I'd be surprised if it's true for ideal polygons.
Oh @Ted I got notes from a friend in difftop on the part that I missed
Mornin' Nate
I don't know how much you know and how much you don't, @Faust.
Which means I'm probably going to be surprised
It was a brief recap of $\pi_X(Y)$, and then the proof that the identity function on $S^n$ isn't nullhomotopic
17:21
Demonark: And thusly you're rewarded for sleeping through class :D
well all ideal triangles are isometric because all of the sides are the same length (infinity) and the interior angles are all 0
WTF is $\pi_X(Y)$?
Actually, no, it can't be true for ideal polygons
Set of continuous functions from $X$ to $Y$ modulo homotopy
That doesn't prove it, @Faust7. You need an isometry of the space carrying one to the other.
17:22
Take an ideal quadrilateral, connect the diagonals. They intersect somewhere inside the quadrilateral.
What crazy notation, Demonark.
The intersection point has some angle.
That angle is invariant of isometries.
Lolol, how do you write that?
yeah i think we did it using an isometry in the UH^2 and then used the inversion map to show it was the case in P^2
Topologists write it $[X,Y]$ or something.
17:23
And there are pairs ideal quadrilaterals where the angles at the intersection of the diagonals are unequal.
So not all ideal quadrilaterals are isometric.
yeah, @Ted
@Faust7: Yeah, you want to think about linear fractional transformations (Möbius transformations). This is in my notes :P
@AkivaWeinberger thank you
Weird, we denoted that for the set of continuous maps in general, so that $\pi_X(Y) = [X,Y]/$homotopy
shrugs
17:23
nope, topologists use that for homotopy classes ...
its going to take an hr to understand that but ill look it up thanks both of you
i'd just write Map(X,Y) for the space of maps
maybe Y^X
Or $\mathscr C(X,Y)$.
@MikeM, to me the last one has no continuity.
$Y^X$ is the best IMO
It's all functions, not continuous ones.
17:25
Huh, true
Sometimes it's nice to have a compact notation for the mapping space.
The $X^Y\times X^Z=X^{Y\cup Z}$ etc. stuff is too nice to ignore
I think the idea is that it's similar to the notation for the homotopy group?
DogAteMy: Assuming $Y\cap Z = \emptyset$?
Yeah. How to you LaTeX disjoint union? There's like a square bottom
$\coprod$?
Eh, too serif'd, doesn't look enough like $\cup$
17:27
@AkivaWeinberger $\sqcup$ \sqcup
Ah, thanks
Do the Laurent series form a field?
Suppose that there are two ideal quadrilaterals A and B, and that A can be decomposed into ideal triangles a_1, a_2, and B can be decomposed into ideal triangles b_1, b_2. We know that There is an isometry c_1 which maps a_1 to b_1, and an isometry c_2 which maps a_2 to b_2. why do we know that c_1 and c_2 are different?
ideal quadrilateral?
Hello chat
17:29
Hey @Astyx!
@DHMO In the hyperbolic plane
How is life ?
Salut, @Astyx.
@Faust7 Well, they might be the same
It's going pretty well, yours?
17:30
2 mins ago, by DHMO
Do the Laurent series form a field?
@Ted So by considering $W = \sin f' - \cos f$, showing it's decreasing, you get $f(\pi) \le0$ and the result follows
The question is, can we find an $A$ and $B$ where they're different
I'm fine, just did my last day of revisions at the university before the exams
yes i understand that but your saying they can be different and im not entirely sure why.
oh
nvm
Oh, that's interesting, @Astyx, different from my proof (although really disguisedly the same).
17:32
That's very similar to my way of proving Sturm's Lemma
anyone up for bp?
Or theorem, I don't know
@MeowMix Maybe for a few minutes
Which isn't really mine, to be honest
Right, @Astyx.
Thanks again i should get back to studying for my last final.
I used integration by parts.
Good luck, @Faust.
What's bp ? @MeowMix
What is your way @Ted ?
It's a word game
@Astyx: As I said, I used integration by parts on $(f''+f)\sin$.
17:34
"Find a word with the substring "UBT""
subterfuge
subtle
Oh yeah that really is the same @Ted
D'accord, @Astyx :)
uboat, DogAteMy :D
17:41
13 mins ago, by DHMO
Do the Laurent series form a field?
Hello! Anyone here doing complex analysis?
@HarryEvans is there a question you would like to ask?
Yes, I am asked to prove the following:

Suppose there exists a function $f$ that is entire, and $|f'(z)|\le|z|$ for all $z$. Then $f(z)=a+bz^2$ with $|b|\le \dfrac {1}{2}$
Cauchy estimates for the most part.
I know I need to use Cauchy's Estimate Theorem, but I cannot find a bound for $|f(z)|$
17:46
Write down the integral formula for $f^{(k)}(0)$.
Write the power series for $f'$ instead :P
What do you know about $f'(0)$, by the way?
So, apply it to $f'$, instead?
Genius!
That's my suggestion. :)
thanks, @TedShifrin
@DHMO with what operations?
@AlessandroCodenotti addition and multiplication
17:48
i don't know what multiplication of $2$ series means
Cauchy product?
convolution?
I guess you have a problem if there are infinitely many negative terms and infinitely many positive terms.
That reminds me I should spend some time figuring out how convolution works sooner or later
discrete or continuous?
I've never managed to get a lot of intuition about convolutions
they came up a few times in the probability course, but since we didn't know what a convolution is the professor just handwaved a bit and glossed over the details
I know enough to take advantage of a convolution when I recognize it
it's basically a weighted average of one function weighted by the other (if we assume the appropriate one has integral 1)
Sure, that's the definition
17:55
hm, that makes sense
It's pizza time, I have to go! Bye everyone
Bye, @Alessandro.
For discrete sequences, it corresponds to the Cauchy product? (Not sure I'm remembering terminology right)
@Semiclassical Suppose $f$ is positive and quickly decaying at $\infty$. What is its Fourier transform like?
Yeah, that's basically right, @Semiclassic.
I should know that, @mike, but I'm nit rememberimg
And I'm on my phone so eye kant tipe write
The only thing which springs to mind is that the Fourier transform of a Gaussian is also a Gaussian
18:00
Hi chat
But I'm not recalling which features of that generalize to a generic positive decaying fubxtion
(I'd correct my typos but I find them amusing)
Hi @KasmirKhaan
18:22
@Ted In any case my argument works for operators of the form $p(D)$, $p$ a polynomial with positive coefficients, only even powers, and nonzero constant term.
18:35
How to deal with the signs of the regions when transforming coordinates in double integrals?
@DHMO What is your change of variable
@KasmirKhaan x=uv, y=u^2
@DHMO signs only matters for the jacobian
Look at this
I don't understand why I need $\displaystyle \int_{v=\sqrt2}^{v=1}$ instead of $\displaystyle \int_{v=1}^{v=\sqrt2}$
@DHMO they are the same up to a sign , let me work it out
@DHMO your jacobian is wrong , partial with respect to u first column
18:44
@KasmirKhaan so I never need to worry about the order in the boundary?
@DHMO x = uv , so first row should be , v,u
the region is in the first quadrant
I did write v, u
so all positive
@DHMO yes but you kept the jacobian with sign
@DHMO you should take the absolute value of the jacobian
oh thanks
@Semiclassical Hi semi
18:47
@KasmirKhaan this proves that I shouldn't try to do things that I don't know
Why do we use the absolute value?
@DHMO You know alot =p just many things you forget when you dont do them for a while
it is an area factor
that change of variable is like a map from a region to an other
No, I never leanrt coordinate transformation
I just know dxdy=rdrdθ
that is also done by the jacobian
and then followed wikipedia to learn that I should take the partial derivative matrix
x= rcost , y = rsint
18:49
@KasmirKhaan I thought integrals are signed areas
@DHMO Ted explained to me why we take the absolute value but now i forgot , focusing on complex analysis =p
alright
@DHMO I upvoted your answer :D
If you wondering =p
thanks
18:53
> Furthermore, if the Jacobian determinant at p is positive, then f preserves orientation near p; if it is negative, f reverses orientation.
From this
so I guess it's why.
@DHMO yepp =P
How to solve cotz = i/2 , in this form coz / sinz = cos (x+iy ) / sin (x+iy) ?
Do you know how to write sine and cosine in terms of powers of e?
Or rather the definition of sine and cosine
I do yeah
18:59
As a first step to improve your past, please define what you mean by $^\mathbb{X}Y.$ — amWhy 1 min ago
he meant "post".
@Astyx You agree with me that sine and cosine should straight up be defined from the exponential :D
@KasmirKhaan Write it out then for $z$
Hi Nate
heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey
how's it going Zach
But I like to do it like solving this example , sinz = 1 , sinx coshy + icosx sinh y = 1
I'm tired
19:01
@Daminark You mean for peoples learning very basic maths ? It might be a little bit too hard to grasp the depth of what angles really are for highschool maths
And the true definition really isn't intuitive
Would you like to play a game of chess?
At least for a beginner
Well maybe not high school I guess, but like, if there was one thing I found clunky about Spivak, it was the bizarre way it defined sine/cosine
@Meow I haven't played in quite some time, I'll prob get crushed fast
Do you have a chess.com account?
I'll play a game.
I haven't been playing very well.
19:06
How did he define them ? @Dami
oh unless you guys want to play.
@Meow I do not
Well, which one of you wants to play?
:P
And @Astyx it did some stuff about the function defining the area under a circle and said that $\cos(x)$ was the unique number such that $A(x) = \frac{\cos(x)}{2}$ or something
Right
It's going in reverse in some sense
19:08
I'll play you meow.
right meow.
Alrighty
Yeah, it works but I dunno, it feels somewhat contrived
Like, it's neither the power series/exponential version that everyone rolls with, nor is it the right triangle trigonometry which at least is easier to get your mind around, you know?
waiting on you zach.
Sorry
19:26
Oh sorry that sounded rude.
Hi all, if $U$ is an open set, and $f(U)$ is also an open set, is $f(U) \cdot \overline {f(U)}$ an open set?
$\overline{f(U)}$ is the complex conjugate of $f(U)$
How is your question related to $U$?
I could just let $S$ be $f(U)$
And ask "If $S$ is an open set, is $S \cdot \bar{S}$ an open set?"
(How do you multiply two sets together?)
Hi, @DHMO, yes, it works that way, too. I'm using the Open Mapping Theorem for a proof, that's why I asked about $f(U)$
The statement to be proven is as follows:

Let $f$ be analytic on a non-empty domain, $D$. If $f^2(z)= \overline {f(z)}$ for all $z \in D$, then prove that $f^3$ is constant on D and deduce that $f$ is also constant on $D$.
Hello
I have a question
What happens if the kernel of A does not contain only the null vector?
@Evinda then A is not invertible
19:38
My proof goes this way: suppose that $f^3$ is non-constant, then by the Open Mapping Theorem, if $U \subseteq D$ is an open set, then $f^3(U)$ is also an open set
and other solutions may exist
But $f^3(U) = f(U) \cdot \overline {f(U)}$. I was thinking that the contradiction should be coming from here
@Evinda i wish I could help but I haven't done linear algebra in a long time :(
@Evinda You may have multiple solutions
Or none
@Evinda, are you familiar with the rank-nullity theorem? If the Kernel is zero, then its nullity is zero. Hence, the matrix is non-singular and the solution to $Ax=b$ is unique.
19:45
@DHMO @Daminark A ok... Suppose that we have this:

$\begin{pmatrix}
x_0 & \cdot & \cdot & x_0^{t-1}\\
x_1 & \cdot & \cdot & x_1^{t-1}\\
\cdot & & & \\
\cdot & & & \\
x_{m-1} & \cdot & \cdot & x_{m-1}^{t-1}
\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix}
\alpha_1\\
\cdot\\
\cdot\\
\cdot\\
\alpha_{t-1}
\end{pmatrix}= \begin{pmatrix}
y_0-\alpha_0\\
\cdot\\
\cdot\\
\cdot\\
y_{t-1}-\alpha_0
\end{pmatrix}$

where $m<t$, how can we find solutions of the system?
@HarryEvans Yes, I have posted this theorem above. I wasn't sure what happens if the kernel is not zero
Something is wrong
The last item of the rightmost vector should be $y_{m-1}-\alpha_0$
oh yes, right
@Evinda, if the Kernel is not zero, then its nullity is not zero. By the rank-nullity theorem, the sum of the rank and the nullity is equal to the number of columns. But if there are $N$ columns, then the rank of that matrix is less than $N$, meaning there are zero rows. Hence, for a non-homogenous equation, there are more unkowns than equations. Hence, the solution won't be unique.
Also, the nullity of a matrix represents the number of zero rows.
When the matrix is in row echelon form, that is
@HarryEvans Why will there be zero rows?
@DHMO How can we find the solutions of that system?
@Evinda no idea
19:54
@Evinda, the nullity of the matrix is equal to the dimension of the null space. Every matrix can be expressed as a linear transformation and vice versa. Let's say you have a square matrix $A$. Then its nullity is the number of zero rows in its row echelon form (or reduced, if you want it).
When the kernel contains only the null vector, then the dimension of the kernel, which is also its nullity, is zero. By the rank-nullity theorem, the square matrix is full rank, and is thus non-singular. Thus, if it is a coefficient matrix, then the solution set is unique.
@DHMO because $f(U)$ bro
nice
By the way, good day to you, @MickLH, @DHMO!
Good day! I'm giggling hysterically at my own immature jokes already :D
@Evinda I am not too experienced with solving specific systems, just about knowing when something exists, whether it is unique, that sorta thing
19:59
I hope my explanation suffices, @Evinda
Crunching numbers for me has typically been a wolfram alpha proof
@Evinda what goes wrong if you just do basically the same row operations as Gaussian elimination and just let it end early with some unknowns that parameterize your solution set?
20:13
@MeowMix have you ever played crusader kings 2?
it's a pretty cool game
Nope.
you basically at the start of the game pick a piece of terroritory and name your character and your dynasty
the point of the game is to have your name live on for as long as possible
but to collect a lot of wealth and nations
and if you lose your teritory and have none left then the game ends too.
you can become emporer eventually.
Huh, sounds interesting
@Daminark In the future: Proof by Wolfram Alpha
@Nate you know how an integral is a sum?
I'm pretty sure that at some point in the analysis group chat, I've seen the phrase
"Oh boy this is gonna be another fucking wolfram alpha proof, won’t it?"
@HarryEvans I think that I got it know
@HarryEvans Thanks :)
20:22
analysis group chat ?
Oh, my class's group chat
@MickLH Ah right... Can we also approximate somehow the solutions with some method?
oh I seee
@TedShifrin hi
hi, Karim
I really like rudy's proof for Hilbert basis theorem. math.stackexchange.com/questions/122306/…
20:27
Rehi @Ted!
rehi Demonark
But one thing is that it is not true that what he says about the addition and scalar multiplication
those aren't necessarily elements of the added polynomials
Hilbert basis theorem is actually quite elegant proof
Nice, how does it go?
@TedShifrin Some differential equations people have suggested to me that the generalization is hard.
Problem: If H and K are subgroups of G, then |H v K : H | \ge |K : H \cap K|, where H v K = <H \cup K > denotes the join of H and K. Fact: If H and K are subgroups of G, then |K : H \cap K | \le |G : H|. Am I correct in thinking that the problem would follow trivially from preceding fact, since H and K are subgroups of H v K?
20:39
"Look at Hormander."
I'm not too surprised, Mike.
@Daminark you know about noetherian rings ?
Nope, I don't really know much algebra beyond basic group theory :/
oh I guess I like to think of them as locally finite rings
I'm having green tea!
20:42
what the hilbert theorem says is that locally finite rings when you consider its polynomial ring will be also locally finite
@Daminark You know some basic group theory? Perhaps you could answer my question! :)
@Adeek Locally in which topology?
And @user193319 I can try
no its different definition @Daminark I am just saying I like to think of it that way
@Daminark one equivalent definition for Noetherian rings is that every ideal is finitely generated
Oh that makes sense
 
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22:03
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