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11:00
@AlessandroCodenotti Prove or provide a counterexample:
If you have any two compact sets with simply-connected complement, then their union must also have a simply-connected complement.
(In R^3)
It's probably true in R^2.
I think so, too.
So, wanna finish the wild arc thing? It looks promising.
11:01
@BalarkaSen It's two copies of the last image, with the two big loops linked together.
I'd probably want to draw it.
which compact sets in $\Bbb R^2$ have a simply connected complement?
@Alessandro scrap.
Yeah, I didn't actually give any thought to that…
I'm being a dunce.
So, uh, trivially true in $\Bbb R^2$. Derp.
But false in $\Bbb R^3$, if this ends up working.
(And who knows in $\Bbb R^4$!)
I suppose the more interesting case would be $S^2$ @BalarkaSen @AlessandroCodenotti
11:04
Yeah
What I was thinking is the 0-homotopy version. If the complement of two compact disjoint sets is path connected, so is complement of their union.
That's easy by Mayer-Vietoris.
Also doable with that grid-overlaying technique I discussed a while ago
Ahh, right. Forgot about that.
(which, alas, seems useless in this problem)
9 hours ago, by Meow Mix
@Akiva I have a solution to your contour! Break it at the intersection near the bottom left between the purple and black parts. Then, both contain only the green singularity, but are in reverse orientation, thus they cancel out
@MeowMix Yep!
@AkivaWeinberger I am skeptic. How do you nullhomotope a loop going around the arc in the middle?
Slide it until it reaches that bump in the middle (where a loop is skipped)
and then increase its diameter a lot, and then slide it off the thing
11:10
Ahh
Luckily, the same link has illustration
I hope you can do this taking care of the basepoint, otherwise you only get nullhomologous.
(Sliding it till the bump, I mean)
Good thing that there's a page out there titled "Wild Arcs with Simply-Connected Complements: Two Examples" out there.
@BalarkaSen Oh, that should be fine. The fundamental group is isomorphic for every basepoint.
@AkivaWeinberger isn't it false on $S^2$ just by taking $2$ points as the $2$ sets? the complement of each is $\Bbb R^2$ while the complement of the union is a punctured $\Bbb R^2$
11:12
Do the "conjugation by two arcs" trick the whole way, I guess.
@AlessandroCodenotti …Derp. Again. You can tell I haven't thought very hard about this…
@AkivaWeinberger That can't be done always. There are H_1 = 0 chaps where pi_1 \neq 0
So?
Fine. Fix the basepoint near the bump in the middle.
Just because you can slide a loop free of basepoint to some other loop doesn't mean you can do it preserving basepoint, is what I meant.
@BalarkaSen I'm pretty sure that's false.
H_1 = 0 means you can slide a loop to some other loop free of basepoint
11:15
Not really…
It just means the the loops bound a cobordism.
That cobordism could be a torus
Sliding a loop free of basepoint means it bounds a disk. Sliding a loop with fixed basepoint also means it bounds a disk
Right. So I guess you have to see that the cobordism is a cylinder in your case.
Which is true.
That's illustrated in the figure above
@MeowMix By the way, if you break the contour in two places, like this:
I think we mean different things when we say "sliding". I agree that if it bounds a cylinder you can do it fixing a basepoint by conjugating at each level.
In any case, that means my objection is moot. :P
11:18
(take a moment to compare with the original to make sure that the orientations make sense — clockwise around the region on the right and counterclockwise around the region on the left) @MeowMix
then we end up with two regions, neither of which contain either singularity.
Akiva: Actually, not all is lost, if $n>1$, $a(x) \in \mathcal{C}^{\infty}(\Bbb{C}or \Bbb{R})$ and $\lim_{R\to\infty}a^{R+1}(x) < \infty$ (These conditions kill off the $R+1$th term), then

$\int a(x)e^{-nx}dx=e^{-nx}\sum_{k=0}^{\infty}-\frac{a^{(k)}(x)}{n^{k+1}}$

So in a sense one can pull out the exponential from the integral, converting it into an infinite series of derivatives of $a(x)$ in the process
Pretty sure it is a known result, I need to check
@Secret Test with a few examples for $a$
like $x^3$, for example
(I keep on telling Zach he has correct solutions to my puzzles, and then giving him what I think are better solutions. Is that bad pedagogically?)
Nah
I personally visualize it like (I think?) Zach said. Perturb it near the crossings so that it becomes a null loop.
But actually making it bound something is also a good solution.
Hi chat
Forget that.
11:27
How about: two closed sets in $\Bbb R^2$ @BalarkaSen @AlessandroCodenotti
$\int x^3 e^{nx} dx= -e^{-nx}\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \frac{(x^3)^{(k)}}{n^{k+1}}=-e^{-nx} (\frac{x^3}{n}+\frac{3x^2}{n^2}+\frac{6x}{n^3}+\frac{6}{n^4}+0+0+0+0+0+\cdots ) =-e^{-nx} (\frac{x^3}{n}+\frac{3x^2}{n^2}+\frac{6x}{n^3}+\frac{6}{n^4}) +const.$

I suspect it will work for all polynomials $P(x)$ since polynomials are nilpotent under differentiation, thus the sequence of derivatives will be eventually constant (=0 )
Then the things with simply connected complements are things like rays
BTW, I think for R^3 your subset needs to be sufficient bad otherwise you'd probably disprove it by Alexander duality. If S^3 - X is simply connected, H^1(S^3 - X) = 0. By duality, H_1(X) = 0. Same for Y. H_1(X U Y) = 0 because it's a disjoint union. Again dualize and you get H^1(S^3-(X U Y)) = 0.
Well, that doesn't say $\pi_1$(S^3 - (X U Y)) = 0 but at least it's something.
I think H_1 of the complement of their union is zero
If locally contractible I proved that above
11:38
In fact, H_1 of the complement of the usual Fox-Artin wild arc is zero
(this is proven in Hatcher, even, I think)
(One of the things leading up to the Jordan curve theorem)
I'm in the middle of drawing my thing
I don't know how to show H^1 = 0 without the local contractibility assumption.
@AkivaWeinberger That's true, because wild arcs are embedded [0, 1]'s. Those are locally contractible.
Hm, is the pencil too faint?
Dear god.
In any case, you essentially have four copies of this put together.
Are those compact?
I don't know how you get a disjoint union
11:44
They're embedded images of $[0,1]$ each, so they should be
My conjecture is that the complement of the union of those two arcs is not simply connected.
Oh, I see, I misunderstood the picture. You linked two Fox/Artin skipped arcs.
Yeah.
(That's a good name for them. Skipped arcs.)
That sounds very plausible.
If it turns out to work, I have a good post for Mathematical Theorems YDKECTF.
Sanity check, the "loop" turning once around every circle in $\bigvee_{n\in\Bbb N} S^1$ is not actually continuous, right?
11:47
No.
Because the image of a continuous loop has to be compact
No meaning it is not continuous?
right, makes sense
Right, @Akiva.
(I also have a good post for Math SE, actually. I can crowdsourcing the rest of the proof :P )
(I keep using wedges for the wedge sum...)
11:49
@AkivaWeinberger You Don't Know Exists ... ?
Mathematical Theorems You Didn't Know Existed, 'Cause They're False
(a FB page)
Aha
tangential: it's funny how I started to think about wild Cantor sets while your counterexample is about wild arcs.
makes me think antoine's example can be fixed, somehow
namely, there should be tame cantor sets inside of it which partition the antoine's necklace
It's easy to see that each set must be clopen in their union
which means they're open in their union, which means (by the argument above) that, if the union is the Antoine necklace, each one doesn't have a simply-connected complement
(the argument above being that if either one contains an open ball intersected with the necklace, then they contain a miniature version of the necklace due to the self-similarity)
So I'm doubtful that this can be fixed, sorry :(
Oh well
12:09
@AkivaWeinberger Is it super-easy to see that complement of Fox-Artin arc has trivial homology, by hand (without Alexander duality)? Like, what's a surface which a thing in the middle bounds? Maybe you can do something with the Fox-Artin wild sphere
Or, maybe it bounds an infinite genus surface on one end.
so I was wondering... would I be able to get admission into MIT's PhD program if I had a GPA of 2.7 but by some miracle was able to solve one of the millenial conjectures?
@BalarkaSen No, it's finite genus. This was actually the first thing that made me really confused about homology
(until I figured it out)
Why would you want to get an admission into MIT's PhD program if you could solve one of the the millennium prize problems?
Sounds like a pretty pointless thing to do.
@AkivaWeinberger Hrm
@SoumyoB Just saying, "thinking you solved one of the millennium conjectures" is a tad more likely than "actually having solved one of the millenium conjectures"
even then, a million dollars and so much fame is more useful than an admission in MIT's PhD program
even then, a million dollars and so much fame is more useful than an admission in MIT's PhD program
12:16
@AkivaWeinberger that's why I said, by some miracle
@BalarkaSen I know, I expected this was the first thing everyone would say
but let's just say I need a pat on my ego
@BalarkaSen Thicken up the wild arc a bit. This gives you a solid torus of finite genus (since everything near the wild point gets combined together)
Look at its surface
Your small loop around the F–A arc should be on that surface, and furthermore, it should divide that surface into two.
Each half of that surface is something whose boundary is your small loop (in one orientation or another).
Does that make sense?
It's possible to obtain that same surface from the proof of M–V.
12:43
Heh:
> A wild arc that is the union of two tame arc is called mildly wild.
How to beat the largest number contest for some nonzero probabiltiy: Use uncomputable numbers
in This is the Realm of Simply Beautiful Art, 4 mins ago, by Secret
Let the array [a,b,c,d...]]itself be |abcd...|. Then the number I generated is given by:

[||||2222|222|222|222|...,2,3,4,5,6]

where the number of iterations is determined by the halting problem
Hi@Kanwalijit singh
could you please answer this question
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Q: Mixture and Alligation Problems::

Learning user A 10 litre container holds a mixture of water and sugar,the volume of sugar being 15% of total volume.A few litres of the mixture is released and an equal amount of water is added.Then the same amount of the mixture as before is released and replaced with water for a second time.As a r...

anybody can you please answer above question
 
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14:16
@BalarkaSen Hi! Do you know how to write equations of the superposition of two SHMs along axes which make a certain angle $\theta$ w.r.t to each other? I know it when the two SHMS are along perpendicular axes like x and y axes. I am bit confused about this situation though. Say $s_1=a\sin(\omega t)$ and $s_2=b\sin(\omega t)$ (which is at an angle $\theta$ w.r.t) each other.
I think I need to rotate the axis....
Ah! I guess this will do: $-x\sin(\theta) + y \cos(\theta) = b\sin(\omega t)$ and $x=a\sin(\omega t)$ :-)
14:40
[Integral symmetries] The aforementioned formula passed the product of sin, cos and exponential test,as shown in the sin example:
$$\int \sin (bx)e^{-nx}dx=-e^{-nx}\left(\frac{\sin bx}{n}+\frac{b\cos bx}{n^2}+\frac{-b^2\sin bx}{n^3}+\frac{-b^3\cos bx}{n^4}+\frac{b^4\sin bx}{n^5}+\frac{b^5\cos bx}{n^6}+\frac{-b^6\sin bx}{n^7}+\frac{-b^7\cos bx}{n^8}+\cdots\right)=-\frac{e^{-nx}}{b}\left(\sin bx\left(\sum_{k=0}^{\infty}(-1)^k\left(\frac{b}{n}\right)^{2k+1}\right)+\cos bx \left(\left(\sum_{k=0}^{\infty}(-1)^k\left(\frac{b}{n}\right)^{2k+2}\right)\right)\right)=-\frac{e^{-nx}}{b}\left(\sin bx\l
However:
The above requires the convergence of geometric series, which has a radius of convergence of 1. But the actual formula holds for arbitrary n and b (specifically, it holds for $b > n$ also). More investigation is needed on how it avoided divergence
$$\lim_{R\to \infty}-\left(\frac{1}{n^{R+2}}\right)\int \sin^{(R+1)}(x)e^{-nx}dx=undefined ?$$
Hey everybody. I've joined because I'm taking an MIT edX course that's heavy on statistics, probability, R, and economics. I imagine this room would be ideal if I run into any particularly sticky questions, or if I'm just not grasping something conceptually. I don't have anything to ask right now, but I hope that's the kind of thing that's welcome here.
If I recall, this room has the capacity to handle some probability theory and some type of statistics. however if you are into more hardcore economics and finance and statistics, then the following room might be a better choice:

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Excellent, thanks Secret. This is actually the first time I've picked up a quantitative subject in along while, so how hardcore the course is, I have no idea. I've certainly found it challenging. I'll bear the suggestion in mind, though.
cfp
cfp
15:27
Hi. Could someone give an opinion as to whether this question: math.stackexchange.com/questions/2189710/… would be better suited for math overflow? Since posting it, I have noticed quite a few quadrature/cubature questions over there.
He guys, anyone familiar with the Chinese remainder theorem?
Because I'm having some problems with an algorithm
Let $a_1,\dots,a_t\in\mathbb Z$ and $n_1,\dots,n_t\in\mathbb N$. We are looking for $a\in\mathbb Z$:
\begin{align}
a&\equiv a_1\mod n_1\\
&\dots\\
a&\equiv a_t\mod n_t.
\end{align}
Assume that for each $i\in\{1,\dots,t\}$ we've found $b_i\in\mathbb Z$ such that:
\begin{align}
b_i&\equiv 1\mod n_i\\
b_i&\equiv 0\mod n_j&(j\neq i).
\end{align}
My book says that $a=a_1b_1+\dots+a_tb_t$ satisfies the condition for $a$ we've set above. I don't see this though.
or maybe...
maybe I do see it, I'm going to consider $a\equiv a_1\mod n_1$ first
ohh...
I see it
We know that $b_i=0\mod n_1$ for $i\in\{2,\dots,t\}$. Therefore $a_2b_2+\dots+a_tb_t$ is a multiple of $n_1$. And given that $b_1\equiv 1 \mod n_1$, we know that $a_1b_1\equiv a_1\mod n_1$
16:02
hi @arctic
how are you
Umm, can you verify something for me?
16:12
Regarding the highlighted problem... would I be correct in saying that opposite vertices map to eachother?
That is, the matrix would be the negative of the identity
hi @Akiva
@MeowMix a rotation does not change the axis around which it rotates
Good point
so it cannot be the negative of the identity
I just realized that
16:14
(and -I is not a rotation anyway)
I think I know what it would be
Ok, so, it would map <1,-1,-1> to <1,1,-1> and vice versa
It would map <-1,-1,1> to <-1,1,1> and vice versa
it would map <1,1,1> to <-1,-1,-1>
and finally, <1,-1,1> to <-1,1,-1>
so i need to find a basis out of this
not that hard.
Fun fact: Rotation in 2D clearly doesn't fix any nonzero vector. All rotations in 3D fix some nonzero vector. There are rotations in 4D that don't fix any nonzero vector. I think rotations in 5D must fix some nonzero vector again.
And so it alternates.
<1,1,1> + <1,-1,-1> = <2,0,0> maps to <-1,-1,-1> + <1,1,-1> = <0,0,-2>
@AkivaWeinberger moreoever, it's possible for a rotation to move every vector by the same angle in even dimension
(unlike in 3D)
@AkivaWeinberger is rotation in 4d about a plane?
16:23
They can be about two planes at the same time
Two planes which intersect at a point
a 4D rotation is a pair of 2D rotations in two othogonal planes
(the xy-plane and the zw-plane, for example)
@MeowMix a 4D rotation certainly can fix nonzero vectors
oh then that makes sense
because 2d rotations don't fix a nonzero vector, 4d wont either
<1,1,1> + <-1,1,-1> = <0,2,0> maps to <-1,-1,-1> + <1,-1,1> = <0,-2,0>
@arctictern Ah, I see
That corresponds to rotating the two perpendicular planes by the same angle as each other
16:26
yes
oops, pressed up with my reply to meow. a 4D rotation can fix nonzero vectors.
finally <1,1,1> + <-1,-1,1> = <0,0,2> maps to <-1,-1,-1> + <-1,1,1> = <-2,0,0>
Linearity FTW
linearity?
Sum of rotations is the rotation of the sums
'cause it's a linear map
anyways, my matrix is $\begin{bmatrix} 0 & 0 & -1 \\ 0 & - 1 & 0 \\ -1 & 0 & 0 \end{bmatrix}$
does that look right to you, @arctic
16:29
Looks like it makes sense
You can check that it fixes $\begin{bmatrix}-1\\0\\1\end{bmatrix}$
ah yeah
And its square is $I$, so it's a $180^\circ$ rotation
sweet
That algebra I did was kind of tedious
@BalarkaSen Something interesting about the skipped Fox–Artin wild arc:
I've heard of the wild knot or whatever
I've also heard of like that "horned sphere"
16:33
According to this, those two are actually linked, despite the complement of the wild arc being simply connected.
there are a great many wild knots
I assume that means that all nullhomotopies of the loop must self-intersect.
@everyone else who's curious: the "skipped" Fox–Artin wild arc is one where two of the loops in it aren't linked, as above.
Must intersect the Fox-Artin arc
What? @MikeMiller
How do I do not inline stuff in LaTeX without doing \begin{equation}?
16:36
@AkivaWeinberger Linking doesn't have anything to do with self-intersection. The null-homotopy has to intersect the Fox-Artin arc, not the simple loof.
No, the skipped Fox–Artin loop has a simply connected complement, so that that loop (when allowed to self-intersect) can be shrunk to a point without intersecting the arc. @MikeMiller
(Tricky but not too hard to visualize)
Yeah I see it now.
The fact that they're linked means that the above can't be done when self-intersection is forbidden.
This is the best image of the Fox–Arron wild arc I can find, except that it's only half of it
(still wild, though)
This is the full version
@AkivaWeinberger After I have lunch, would you have time to look over the QQ questions?
No, I'm needed back on stage for more rehearsals
16:39
Good luck.
Well I'm off... to have lunch?
I'm really sorry about this, it's just been a hectic week with the concert coming up and also with the history project I have to work on
But right now I have a bit of a break for a bit
No worries, it's not your obligation either.
Thanks
@MikeMiller If you're interested: the wild arc came up in the discussion of a certain topology problem
Wanna hear it?
It was the s.c. disjoint union thing, right? I thought about it while nodding off last night and didn't get anywhere
Yeah
Yeah, I think I found a counterexample
16:45
I believe you
17:01
I'm back
Hey.
I just put a 100 point bounty out on this question if anybody's interested. It's a question somebody else asked three years ago, but I'm working on the same problem right now.
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Q: to show that a ring is a principal ideal ring

EnasI'm asked to show that $\mathbb{Z}_m$ (the integers mod $m$) is a principal ideal ring for every $m > 0$ I see that it is the same discussion used in verifying that $\mathbb{Z}$ (the set of all integers) is. Can anybody help me in writing a correct solution?

Hi @Alessandro
Hello Michael.
17:08
Are $\Bbb R^2\setminus\Bbb Q^2$ and the same set with $(0,0)$ homeomorphic?
@Zach there is a town with $32$ inhabitants that wish to form clubs, to prevent the formation of too many clubs the mayor decides that they must follow those $2$ rules:
1) every club must have an odd number of members
2) each pair of club must share an even number of members
How many clubs can be formed?
it's a cool problem that I wouldn't have been able to solve the first time I saw it, but maybe you will
Probably really dumb, but I'm even just having trouble wrapping my head around how to show that if $J$ is an ideal of $\mathbb{Z}_{m}$, then if $J$ contains an element $k$ then $J$ must contain all elements of the form $nk$, $n \in \mathbb{Z}_{m}$. Although I'm probably overthinking it as usual.
the only hint I'll give you is that it's a linear algebra problem more than a combinatorics one
@AlessandroCodenotti probably not
linear algebra?
(it's also a problem approved by @Ted :P)
@ALannister if $[n]\in\Bbb Z_m$ with $n\in\Bbb Z$ then $[n]k\equiv ([1]+\cdots+[1])k=\underbrace{k+\cdots+k}_n=nk$
if $k\in J$ then $J$ must contain $k+\cdots+k$ because it is closed under addition
17:14
and $nk$ is in $J$ because?
Oooh.
Told ya.
<-- Cersei (Jessy) Lannister, First of Her Name. The Queen of Overthinking.
@AlessandroCodenotti I feel like nah. I bet $\Bbb R^2 \setminus \Bbb Q^2$ has very few local homeomorphisms - that it's quite rigid. You could then try to argue that doing the thing-without-0 into -thing-with-zero would be impossible to add a single point like that, since the map is decided by what it does in some small neighborhood. Or something like that.
Hmm, you said linear algebra
[Random] Find $A$

$$A=\sup \{0,1,\omega,\epsilon,\varphi (\omega), \Gamma_0, \omega_1^{CK}, \alpha = \omega_\alpha^{CK},Unprovable, ...\}$$

In some sense it is easy because this list, while growing super rapidly, they all have one thing in common
I don't know, maybe a club of $k$ members is a linear subspace with dimension $k$?
And the "intersection of clubs" is the intersection of those linear subspaces? That sounds like it'll just boil down to combinatorics though
there's probably a combinatorial approach too
just think about it the way you find more comfortable
17:21
$\omega_1$, perhaps, depending on what "unprovable" means @Secret
unless that's meant to be a countable list
Yes it is all countable, so yes the answer has to be $\omega_1$
simpleart have taught me something about the fast growing hierarchy and other hierarchy today. As usual of me, I then explode from what I learnt
if it's a sequence of countable ordinals the sup is stricly smaller than $\omega_1$
But these guys, while all countable are very hard to track what they are doing because there are too many levels of recursions
"Countable sequence of…" not "sequence of countable…" @Ales
@MikeMiller hm, makes sense intuitively, I'll think about the details
17:24
well, one secon
do you need linear algebra? I don't see any linear algebra in this one
@AlessandroCodenotti I have no idea how to do any of the details
@AkivaWeinberger yeah sorry, I mean the sequence where all ordinals shown are countable, but I suppose we can say this is a countable sequence
I vote yes on $\Bbb R^2\setminus\Bbb Q^2\cong(\Bbb R^2\setminus\Bbb Q^2)\cup\{0\}$.
@Secret No - the countable limit of countable ordinals is countable.
(Assuming ZFC)
@AkivaWeinberger every sequence is countable, I meant countable ordinals
(ZF is weird)
@AlessandroCodenotti Ah, fair, I guess
17:28
The following [random], however is much harder and I am pretty sure I have no idea what I am talking about

$$B=\sup\{0,1,\omega,\omega_1,\omega_2,...\}$$

If my memory serves, this is a proper class, thus it is bigger than any sets
isn't this sup $\omega_\omega$?
I have to finish playing Earthbound some day
Hi @MikeMiller remember that thing about Pontryagin classes? I think maybe that thing @TedShifrin and you got confused about is that for the tangent bundle of a dimension $<4$ manifold, the Pontryagin class must vanish for dimension reasons.
Oh wait yes, I forgot that $\omega_{\alpha}$, $\alpha$ can be any ordinal
That wasn't what we got confused about. We were just confused.
You can be confused without a good reason for it :)
17:34
so it is perfectly valid to have things like $\omega_{\omega +1}$
So now I have the situation that the restriction, to any fiber, of the Pontryagin class of the vertical part vanishes.
Does that mean it vanishes as a class on the total space?
Remind me the situation: I have a fibration of Kahler manifolds?
No, I have a fibration of the "twistor space" (which is complex, and I think indeed even Kaehler in this case) over a quaternionic Kaehler (but not even almost complex) manifold, $G_2/SO(4)$. The fiber is $\Bbb CP^1$ and the fibers are complex submanifolds, I think.
It is not the projectivization of a complex rank 2 bundle, I'm pretty sure. But its definition is as the sphere bundle of an oriented, rank 3 bundle
So I want the Pontryagin class of this space
I split the tangent bundle as the pullback of the tangent bundle of the base, plus the vertical part
17:38
Wait, your Twistor space is over the quaternionic Kahler manifold, not with quaternionic Kahler fibers?
How's that work?
Yeah
Oh, it's a product so I guess it's the same picture.
Well, a twistor space in my setting is by definition a $\Bbb CP^1$ bundle over a quaternionic Kaehler manifold
I don't know any other possibility :P
I can probably get the Pontryagin class of the base, so all that's left is the vertical part. Since each fiber is of dimension two, the restriction of $p(T\pi)$ ($\pi$ the projection) to each fiber is trivial
I was thinking of $\Bbb{CP}^1 \times Q$, where $\Bbb{CP}^1$ parameterizes the complex structures on a hyperkahler manifold $Q$, and the complex structure on $Q_\theta$ is $J_\theta$.
I don't know the more general story for quaternionic Kahler things.
Okay. Well Now $Q$ is not even almost complex, but you can still use almost complex structures of the individual tangent spaces to get a complex structure on the total space. It's not a product anymore.
17:41
Got it.
So I know the above about $p(T\pi)$. Can I conclude that it's trivial?
We know that the cohomology of a sphere bundle satisfies the Gysin sequence, and I think that fact about $p(T\pi)$ implies that the pushforward ("integration over the fiber") is zero, so $p(T\pi)$ is a pullback of a class on $Q$. Not sure what to say from here.
Gysin sequence. Didn't think about that.
I can take a look at that; maybe it tells me something
Ah, it tells you that you can compute the product as a pullback of the product on $Q$
I do suspect that $p(T\pi)$ is zero, though
@MikeMiller What do you mean by the product on $Q$?
You mean just product of classes
17:50
cup product
yeah
Right
Once I figure out $p$ of the base I can check if $p$ of the vertical part should be zero, too, since I already know what the Pontryagin class of the total space has to be.
No, not trivial
1+generator+2* generator
where the first gen. is in degree 4, the next in degree 8 of course
Hey guys
sure
what dimension is the base?
17:52
8
8?
k, then I believe that
I'm reading Witten's Morse theory paper now; I decided to start a small reading club
We're going to read the Morse theory, TQFT (+the paper applying it to the Jones polynomial) papers of Witten, and Atiyah's paper on TQFT too
I never got much out of Atiyah's paper.
We'll see... I just want to be able ot understand what TQFT is supposed to be.
Maybe eventually build up to CFT (I know the physical treatment of CFT already)
Try Ralph Cohen's string topology notes to see some of the mathematical POV on CFT
17:58
what is "string topology" supposed to mean, I wonder
topology of the free loop space $\text{Map}(S^1,M)$
Ah, I see
could be good, but the one i was thinking of is older and with a second author
maybe 2004

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