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16:00
@SteamyRoot Hm, I'll think about it then, I don't want to look it up yet
@LeGrandDODOM judging by the badges he's probably spamming all his questions on facebook or something like that
@LeGrandDODOM Ah. The mobile version doesn't show it :/ but I can get it to show me the desktop version
Hm, now I wonder how many views my questions have.
Hey everyone!
Also @Semi you'll probably gather this at the health center before reading my message, but I've had these sorts of pains before
16:16
Hello everyone, a im a bit confused with this thing:
It's called pleurisy, it's kind of this sharp pain in a lung that worsens with breathing. Sometimes it's a symptom of other things but it's the sort of thing that can just happen. Do be cautious, as you should always be about health, but it's not necessarily cause for alarm
we can calculate such an integral: $\int_{-1}^{3}\frac{dx} {\sqrt{x+1}}$
(so we know the field under the curve in interval -1 to 3)
but there are some cases like $\int_{0}^{1}\frac{dx} {x}$
which dont give us an answer
@Dartek12 Define "answer". The way I see it, it tells us that the area is infinite.
@CompulsiveMathurbator Answer about what the area is
16:21
The answer is $\infty$, no?
I mean, both of functions look alike
@CompulsiveMathurbator In terms of convergence in some point to infinity
Consider $\int_0^1\frac1{\sqrt x}dx$. This looks similar to $\int_0^1\frac1xdx$, but it's slightly sharper.
ah, the post got twitted by a celebrity (who's probably OP) twitter.com/nntaleb
16:23
I think the former should be finite.
@Akiva Actually this is also possible... One of my high school teachers said pleurisy which seemed to characterize it well, but so does this
And the first few times it happened I also was wondering if my lungs got cut against my ribs
@Dartek12 For example the series $$ \sum_{n=1}^{ \infty } \frac{1}{n^p} $$ diverges for $ p \ge 1 $ while converging for p<1 despite having very similar forms.
@Alessandro So, figured it out?
:)
@Dartek12 These small changes make a big difference when we deal with infinities.
@SteamyRoot SvKT is how I wanted him to prove it. But it's easier to "guess" the answer.
It was just a gateway question to SvKT
16:27
Sorry swap the inequalities on my previous message
@CompulsiveMathurbator ahh, it ruins my aesthetics :\ but thank you
I can only edit it once it would appear. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
NB Not a solution

$$\sum_{k=1}^N \left(\frac{H_k}{k}\right)^m=\begin{pmatrix}1^m &\frac{1}{2^m}&\frac{1}{3^m}& \cdots &\frac{1}{N^m}\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}1 & 1 & 1 & \cdots &1 \\1 & 1 & 1 & \cdots &0 \\ 1 & 1 & 1 & \cdots & 0\\ \vdots & \vdots &\vdots & \ddots & 0 \\ 1 & 0 &0 & 0 &0\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix}\frac{1}{N^m} \\\frac{1}{(N-1)^m}\\\frac{1}{(N-2)^m}\\ \vdots \\ 1^m\end{pmatrix}=T(\overset{\to}{H_N},\overset{\leftarrow}{H_N})$$

where $T$ is upper left triangular matrix of ones, $H_N$ is the harmonic sequence up to $N$ where $\to$ means down the sequence and $\leftarrow$
Now if only I am better at quadratic forms...
Still ugly ;)
Two things that I suck more than analysis: Special functions and series
16:38
@Secret i don't clearly understand your solution
i posted the question if someone have a answer :math.stackexchange.com/questions/2180515/…
Vrouvrou. I tried to simplify those lim sup and lim inf one by one but it appears I have done it wrongly. I think I don't have the requiste real analysis background to answer your question
so sorry, you had to find someone else
tht's noting thank you
actually sorry, wrong terminology. $T$ is a symmetric bilinear form
@DanielFischer hello
Heh, that might just be the golden ratio popping up
which wouldn't be too surprising given the kind of matrix it is, I guess
@SteamyRoot hello, can you help me ?
on $\liminf$
Depends on the question... Only have time for something basic
Oh, whoa
the projection proof of that proposition is kind of more complicated than it needs to be.
17:10
The original proof (given here) needs only a minor modification to avoid the flaw pointed out by Timothy Chow in the comments.
Instead of placing the spheres with their centers on the plane, place the spheres tangent to the plane, such that the projection onto (rather than intersection with) the plane gives us the circles.
Yeah, that question doesn't seem very basic at all
@AkivaWeinberger can you help me with my question ?
@Vrouvrou I don't know functional analysis, sorry
Also, what is $\Phi$ ? How does $u_n$ depend on $x$ ?
yes
$u_n(x)$
is a sequence
and $\Phi$ is a positive convexe continuous and increasing
17:14
You should add all that to the question
i added this
Please someone can help me with my question on $\liminf$
hi chat.
@Semiclassical How's your chest pain?
It's gone now.
17:26
Ok, great!
Talked with a nurse via the phone (that's what they want you to do first, evidently) and I feel okay about it.
If it flares up again though I'm supposed to call back.
so $\forall n,k \in \Bbb N: 2^n-1 \not| \dbinom{2^n-1}{k}$?
@BalarkaSen nope, I'll think about it now, I've been busy in the meantime
@AlessandroCodenotti let's consider the cantor left-third set instead of the middle-third set
what do you mean?
17:41
@Alessandro Ah, sure.
in the first iteration, we remove (0,1/3)
hi @BalarkaSen
in the second iteration, we remove (1/3,4/9) and (2/3,7/9)
etc @AlessandroCodenotti
@BalarkaSen could you discuss with me a particular question ?
in topology ?
17:43
Not unless you ask the question!
@DHMO What problem are you trying to solve?
@AkivaWeinberger nothing. just exploring, as i always am, in this field of topology, where there is no end
part (g) @BalarkaSen
g
Also, @Semiclassical, I have a much easier proof for the 3D version (equivalent to a four-dimensional thing but can be thought of as being three-dimensional)
17:44
so if we have $\pi_n(f,\star)$ we will already get an induced long exact sequence
:)
@Semiclassical If the centers of the spheres are coplanar, we're done.
but why is that long exact sequence isomorphic to long exact sequence written in g ?
Otherwise, define a function $f:\Bbb R^3\to\Bbb R$, such that for every sphere, the value of $f$ at the center of the sphere equals the sphere's radius.
That is, if the sphere has center $c$ and radius $r$, then $f(c )=r$.
Not perfect, but ok.
@Semiclassical Ooh, cool
@DHMO hmmm I'm not sure I understood what you're doing
in the first iteration, we remove (0,1/3)
in the second iteration, we remove (3/9,4/9) and (6/9,7/9)
in the third iteration, we remove (12/27,13/27) and (15/27,16/27) and (21/27,22/27) and (24/27,25/27)
etc
17:46
@Semiclassical Then extend the function linearly to all of $\Bbb R^3$. (Essentially use barycentric coordinates, I guess)
The claim is that the plane $f(x)=0$ is the plane that the vertices of the cones lie on.
And this is easy to see, because for any cone and for any point $x$ on the line through the middle of the cone, $f(x)$ equals the radius of the largest sphere centered at $x$ that's contained inside the cone.
(This follows from the fact that this is linear.)
So, at the vertices, $f(x)=0$. This determines a plane, QED.
This easily works for all dimensions.
@BalarkaSen do we get an induced long exact sequence with same thing as fibration does ?
@Adeek I haven't given it a thought but you probably want to use the naturality of the long exact sequence.
Sorry, actually, I don't understand the question. It's easy to see that those groups form a long exact sequence. What are you asking?
Not quite as awe-inspiring as the "view it as the $n$-dimensional projection of an $n+1$-dimensional situation" proof shown in the video, but (in my opinion) much more concrete and easy to verify.
17:52
how ?
@BalarkaSen is it true that if Y is a deformation retract of a space X then the fundmental group are the same ?
Yes.
Deformation retracts are homotopy equivalences
yeah
It's so strange that $\Bbb R$ is contractible, despite being infinite. It kinda violates my physical intuitions. I guess it's a consequence of the fact that the concept of "uniform continuity" doesn't exist in topology.
It's homeomorphic to $(0,1)$ which looks slightly more finite though
@DHMO hmm, ok. I think I got it
Hi @Ted
Hi @Alessandro, DogAteMy, Karim, @Balarka
18:01
@AkivaWeinberger it's equivalent to the fact that $f:x \mapsto x$ and $g:x \mapsto 0$ are homotopic
@Semiclassical The relationship between the two proofs is that, in the projection one, instead of a function $f(x)$ determining size, you have a function $g(x):=\frac1{f(x)}$ determining how far away it is in the $n+1$-eth dimension. And then the desired hyperplane is the solution to $g(x)=\infty$.
Hi @Semiclassic
@AkivaWeinberger which means there is a continuous function $h:\Bbb R \times [0,1] \to \Bbb R$ such that $h(x,0) = f(x) = x$ and $h(x,1) = g(x) = 0$
@DHMO Right. And $f(t,x)=tx$, I believe, is not uniformly continuous.
18:02
@AkivaWeinberger "I guess it's a consequence of the fact that the concept of "uniform continuity" doesn't exist in topology." Yeah.
@AkivaWeinberger that's nice
@AlessandroCodenotti And there exists no uniformly continuous homeomorphism between the two.
Are you fixing a metric structure?
@Secret To master the calculations with special functions, integrals, series it takes many years of very hard work.
You could use different metrics?
18:04
@Secret forget about all that would dare to say a different thing. It is precisely like that: many years of very hard work, days and nights one after another of research.
@TedShifrin I mean the standard metric on $\Bbb R$, I guess.
But that's the problem. :)
It's contracting everything to $0$. If it was uniformly continuous there would be a bound to how fast you could contract, so you wouldn't be able to contract stuff near infinity.
a kind of 3D "plug-in"
18:05
Exactly @TedShifrin
Shall I pick coffee or tea?
@BalarkaSen okay one fine thing. I want to ask how $\pi_n(im(f),\star}) = \pi_n(X,x_0)$ ?
Tea, @Krijn
@Adeek It's not.
But I could induce a different metric by a homeomorphism.
:/
18:06
So I don't think this is really a well-posed question.
Hi @Krijn
@TedShifrin I think he understands that. He's just saying why it defies his intuition.
@Secret mastering my area might take a lifetime or even much more (but this is much discussable about how to understand that word mastering)
@BalarkaSen I showed that $\pi_{n + 1}(cyl(f),\star)) = \pi_{n + 1}(Y,y_0)$
I showed that so the only way we get a long exact sequence
@TedShifrin It was never a question, just an observation
There's no explaining DogAteMy's intuition :P
Yeah, I figured, DogAteMy. BTW, is your dog feeling better?
18:07
is for us that $\pi_n(im(f),\star))$ being the same as $\pi_n(X,x_0)$
@TedShifrin I think so. But I'm not home right now to check
@Adeek That's totally false. Eg, $f$ could be the constant map.
I figured :)
@TedShifrin True that!
yeah I see
18:10
I've got tea :)
@Secret it's not just solving problems, it's also about that breathless mathematics you manifest by creating problems and solutions.
Art of mathematics in the most profound form.
@TedShifrin Did you see the theorem I was talking about above?
Nope. I merely interloped.
Good afternoon, sorry to interrupt, anyone here know well about surfaces used in eletromagnetism??
Take any three circles in the plane of distinct radii. For each pair, there are four common tangents; draw the two outer ones. They'll intersect at some point. Repeat this for each pair; the theorem is that the three points lie on a line.
18:13
You mean spheres and cylinders?
Not really clear what you're asking. @YassinRany
Unless/until you clarify, there's little for us to say.
@Akiva Outer ones, as in, not the askew ones?
DogAteMy: This has the sound of Pascal's theorem in projective geometry, although it's different. I'm sure this theorem is in Pedoe's book that I refer to frequently.
well it is ahrd to me too, because most of physics books i use do not define surface
i guess that at most they are 2-manifolds
Similarly, for any four spheres in space of distinct radii, you can take each pair and draw the cone enveloping them; it will have a vertex somewhere. Repeating for each of the six pairs, you'll get six points; the theorem is that they'll lie on a plane.
Similarly for any amount of dimensions; for $n$ dimensions, you take $n+1$ spheres, and end up with lots of points lying on a hyperplane.
@BalarkaSen What do you mean by askew?
18:16
That vertex, unfortunately, isn't captured by the Mathematica construction I gave earlier
The ones that don't pass in between the circles.
Ones which contain 1 circle in each connected component of the complement
There are notions of "internal" and "external" tangents to circles, although when we complexify who can tell ...
@BalarkaSen Ah. Yeah, those
Gotcha.
18:17
Since it's not in the convex hull generated by the two spheres.
There's presumably a smart way to construct, in Mathematica, the cone enveloping the two spheres.
But absent a clever parametrization I don't know what it is.
The tangent lines to circles are captured by the dual curves. Not sure how we do the cones DogAteMy wants in terms of projective duality.
The description of the video gives a few more details.
@TedShifrin Even if you do duality in R^2, I don't see how to prove that.
@Balarka: $\Bbb P^2$?
18:20
Sure.
Hi @MikeMiller
Hi!
What's a monad?
G'night, @MikeM.
18:20
Half a dyad, and a third of a triad.
In essence, you view it as the 2D projection of a 3D situation. The circles of different radii become spheres of different distances from the projection point, and the tangents become tubes.
Salut @JeSuis
@MikeMiller Context?
Also, something something Leibniz.
18:21
i dunno
'Cause I know something by that name, but it's most likely very nonstandard terminology.
(Leibniz had a philosophy of monads. rather bizarre.)
@TedShifrin what's up
it's a category theory thing, @AkivaWeinberger
DogAteMy: You can deduce Desargues's Theorem in 2-D geometry very nicely from the 3-D version. (Again, projective geometry.)
18:22
Ah, OK, so it's not what I'm thinking of @BalarkaSen
@MikeMiller a kind of "group" thing but without many axioms
like there's only closedness under group operation
You're thinking monoid.
oh sorry
I also heard about that in non-standard analysis
where a monad is around a real number
Ahhh, I never knew that was called the monad construction
Always ADHM for me
Ah.
That article links to a linear algebra dfn of monad which is pretty trivial.
Ah, so that's different from the category theory monad.
(Trivial to state, anyways. No idea as to the motivation.)
Yeah, the thing in nonstandard topology (like nonstandard analysis, but topology!) is, given a point $p$ in a space $X$, you take the hyper-version $X^*$ (I forget what it's called). And then the monad is the intersection of all $F^*\subseteq X^*$ for $F$ an open set containing $p$.
18:25
Amusingly, Monad Construction is apparently also the name of a construction company in Canada.
So you end up with all things infinitely close to $p$.
Means I'm significantly more likely to understand this talk :)
lol
The number of different names for things is frustrating at times.
"This data is organized in a bow, which is a natural generalization of a quiver."
I have to giggle at that a bit.
"So of course there's 5-branes on this cigar, and..."
so much for my last sentence
Now you just have to insert "super" somewhere into there.
18:29
No, $\infty$
"What sound does a string-theorist's pet parrot make?"
"SQUARK!"
That $\infty$-brane's name? Albert Einstein.
yeah @BalarkaSen it is a typo it is actually i
I figured that I guess
the rest follows easily
Got it. Good to know.
Bah, I missed an opportunity. Evidently the SUSY partner of an up quark is a "sup squark."
18:32
hi @TedShifrin
Not much wbu @Semi
what about yiu
SUSY always makes me go like "What happened to the string theory faculty next door?" "He committed susyd."
What's SUSY
18:34
super-symmetry
On the physics side of things, it's a certain kind of physical symmetry which is hypothesized to be present but not apparent in the universe.
It's some kind of duality between the particles in standard model or something
"What's the worst side of humanity" "Genocide"
Geno-side
I can immediately think of a darker version of that, and I'm a bit disturbed by that.
Hmm. I think I'll go to this talk simply because of the scattering diagram connection, but the chance that I'll actually understand any of it seems pretty low: math.umn.edu/seminar/…
On a related note: "How do you think the unthinkable?"
"With an itheburg."
18:40
@AkivaWeinberger Is this Mike Tyson's joke?
I'm supposed to be writing an autobiography of someone and I'm running out of time
@BalarkaSen Is that someone you?
@Semiclassical lol!
Otherwise, how is it an auto biography
@BalarkaSen What
18:42
@Krijn You just phrase it like it's written by the fictional character
Oh. So a ghostwritten autobiography
Fictional?
I have a really weird thing planned but I am not sure how it will pan out...
I'm too tired for this today
Gonna get something to eat
G'bye!
18:43
bye
I was thinking of a Dostoyevskian psychopath.
No, I meant for Krijn
For to eat
cool I had 255 missed messages. that's a good byte!
18:51
Hello. I'm confused about a minus sign in do Carmo's book on curves and surfaces. On page 155, formula (4) is deduced by taking the determinant of formula (3), but a minus sign seems to disappear. Where has it gone?
I don't have access to the book right now. Can you just say the formulas?
Arrow is that your boss in your profile picture
Hi chat
woo, fundamental form
18:57
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere it's me!
@Arrow det(-A)=det(A) if A is 2-by-2.
Hi Astyx actually my name is "I have a math question" as I described in my introduction.
@Semiclassical thanks! I really want to stick a fork in my temple.

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