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12:05 AM
Hi @Brody, @Ted
 
So on Day 1 I have one blob
and every day there's a $p$ chance that each blob splits in two and a $(1-p)$ chance that it dies/disappears
What are the odds that I never lose all of my blobs?
 
math.stackexchange.com/questions/2059244/… i don't know what answer to give for this other than "obviously, because isomorphisms preserve ring structure"
 
you would presumably use the isomorphism to induce a bijection between the sets of prime ideals
 
well yes
its really really obvious
i tried to explain it like this but got downvotes:
 
right, but you still didn't give him a proof
i saw your explanation
 
12:18 AM
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Zach HaukThis fact is obvious, since isomorphisms preserve ring structure. We note that the $n$ prime ideals in $R$ must map to at least $n$ prime ideals under an isomorphism; a fact you stated yourself. Let $m$ be the amount of prime ideals in $S$. Since the inverse of an isomorphism is an isomorphism, ...

does this explanation make more sense?
 
I'm crisising again.
 
I would be more explicit
 
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Show that if $\mathfrak p$ is prime, $\psi(\mathfrak p)$ is prime, and if $\mathfrak q$ is a prime ideal in the second ring, $\psi^{-1}(\mathfrak p)$ is prime
obviously these two operations are inverse to one another, because $\psi$ itself is a bijection, so $\psi: \text{Spec } R \to \text{Spec } S$ is a bijection
 
@Zach I don't see why you got two downvotes. It's a good answer.
There. I just changed the title of my post. Maybe now people will actually look at it.
 
12:22 AM
@JessyCat sorry i'm not good with diff eq and that stuff :(
 
Apparently, neither am I.
Or at least I haven't practiced enough yet.
I don't know how to deal with this boundary condition that has two nonzero branches.
 
@MikeMiller $\mathrm{Spec\;} R$ = set of prime ideals in $R$?
 
@AkivaWeinberger For sake of simplicity suppose $p = 1/2$. Look at the tree where every node bursts into two more nodes. Look all the paths in the tree starting at the base node, of length $n$. There's $2^n$ many of them. Look at all the paths of length $\leq n$ starting at base node. There's $(2^0 + 2^1 + \cdots + 2^n) = 2^{n+1} - 1$ many of them. The probability of a blob surviving till $n$-th day is then $2^n/(2^{n+1} - 1)$. Take limit $n \to \infty$: that's $1/2$.
I guess you can make this work for arbitrary $p$ too.
 
12:36 AM
I don't follow your logic @BalarkaSen
You're saying every path corresponds to an equally likely world?
 
@Semiclassical if you get a chance, could you take a look at this: math.stackexchange.com/questions/2059270/… I'm sorry I'm always bugging you :(
 
The paths in the tree represent a blob's future. I tried to compute the number of paths of length $n$ (precisely the number of ways a blob can survive till the $n$-th day), compared to number of paths of length $\leq n$ (precisely the number of ways a blob's future can happen till day $n$).
@AkivaWeinberger Don't they?
Actually
 
But wouldn't the shorter paths be more likely?
The blob has a $p(1-p)=1/4$ chance of going down a one-edge path and dying there, no matter what $n$ is.
Also, it seems like you're trying to compute the expected value of blobs in the end (which is $\lim_{n\to\infty}(2p)^n~$ — or, $1$ for $p=1/2$, $0$ for less and $\infty$ for more), which is easier to find than what I want
 
Yeah, I seem to be computing the probability of some specific blob surviving though.
@AkivaWeinberger Oh well, I guess.
 
I might need to take my last sentence back
Also might not. I'm confusing myself.
 
12:48 AM
oh boy
 
Me too.
 
why are you guys talking about blobs?
 
Why would someone downvote this? :S
.http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/2056566/how-to-find-the-mod-of-this-large-number/2056574#2056574
 
Meh, I don't like probability. Not that I ever learnt this stuff.
 
I don't know the answer
 
12:50 AM
@KajHansen Shrug
I upvoted to compensate
 
lol, thanks. I rarely get downvoted, and when I do, it usually doesn't make sense.
 
I can give you a sensible downvote if you like!
 
lol!
 
today ive been answering questions left and right
gained like 200 rep
 
I think rarely I'll get downvoted because I give the OP too much information. I suppose that's legitimate, but I doubt that's the case here.
 
12:54 AM
@AkivaWeinberger that's basically an issue of taking an infinite product if I understand correctly. Basically, each probability leads to another branch. At minimum one blob must split every period. So it is an infinite product by p many many times over. The question ultimately becomes: does it diverge or converge and to what?
actually, it will always converge cause it's < 1
but to what I have no idea.
 
haha @ZachHauk, I went HAM on this site when I first joined. I hit the daily rep cap like half the days out of my first month
 
@TheGreatDuck always < 1 does not guarantee convergence
i.e. the harmonic series $\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n}$ diverges
 
@ZachHauk an infinite product of numbers < 1 will converge
 
umm
 
"an issue of taking an infinite product"
 
12:55 AM
I'll save my answering skills for winterbash
 
what about negative numbers
 
-2 * -2 * -2 * ... diverges
 
it's a probability question. don't nitpick
 
im not nitpicking...
also i believe they would all converge to 0
assuming you take it over $0 \leq x < 1$
 
12:57 AM
yeah, you are. I wasn't talking to you and you butt in on me helping someone else out without even understanding what was going on.
 
no need to get hostile :(
 
im not
:)
 
and yes, i believe it is 0
 
more importantly, don't nitpick non-math
 
you're taking the limit as $n$ approches infinity of $\frac{1}{x^n}$
 
12:58 AM
im not taking anything
 
@BalarkaSen but this had to do with math, he was talking about products and infinite stuffs
 
im just telling the guy it's an infinite product
 
nah
 
i'm sure it's more complex than just a power as it goes to infinity
cause if two blobs split one time
then you have a higher chance of a blob splitting next time
so it kinda gets tricky i would imagine
 
.http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/2059300/if-a-is-the-only-element-of-order-k-in-g-then-a-is-in-the-center-of-g?noredirect=1

^does this ever actually happen @BalarkaSen? If an element $a$ has order $k$, then of course we have $\langle a \rangle \cong \mathbb{Z}_k$. If I'm not mistaken the equivalence class $k-1$ also has order $k$ in any $\mathbb{Z}_k$. I suppose if $|a| = 2$, but any other time?
 
12:59 AM
wait
you're talking about that blob stuff?
 
i suck at statistics stuff. I just know it's gonna be an infinite product as that's how those things work
@ZachHauk yeah
 
lol i'm no blob-theoretical mathematician
 
that's who I replied to.
 
so ill stay out of this
 
So on Day 1 I have one blob
and every day there's a $p$ chance that each blob splits in two and a $(1-p)$ chance that it dies/disappears
What are the odds that I never lose all of my blobs?
^^ that was the question
simple question to ask
but it's a devilish thing to solve
 
1:00 AM
if the terms of an infinite product don't approach 1, what happens?
 
@Null i have no idea.
 
@Null does this have to do with blobs
 
@KajHansen You're quite correct.
 
I'm just telling a guy how the problem would work to point him towards solving his problem
 
suppose the terms approach 1.1
 
1:01 AM
@ZachHauk this isn't a question about blobs as a mathematical entity.
 
@Null what do you mean, approach from what value?
 
it could be horses
 
@TheGreatDuck yeah i know :P
 
$1.1^n$ approaches infinity, as n approaches infinity
 
I am sure whatever you said so far is not useful at all to the person you're replying to.
 
1:02 AM
except horses (hopefully) won't split in 2
 
@Null why are you trying to tell us this. I didn't ask a question... I told @AkivaWeinberger how to solve their problem...
@ZachHauk we'll assume they are all female and magically have virgin babies.
the implications are terrifying.
 
@TheGreatDuck lol, ok
 
@Null I was merely telling the guy convergence isn't an issue as probabilities are always [0 1]
 
blob
 
and there's no reason a product from those values grows infinitely
 
1:04 AM
this is a weird question
 
I was told to solve for $x$ in $g(x) = x^3+2x-10$ using the cubic formula (https://math.vanderbilt.edu/schectex/courses/cubic/). Then I was told to differentiate the function, evaluate it, and then show that the value I get is equal to the answer we get from the inverse derivative rule. I tried it, but it doesn't work, and I'm not sure where I'm wrong.

So I took $a = 1, b = 0, c = 2, d = -10$, plugged into the cubic formula and got $x =$$(5+\sqrt{\frac{683}{27}})^{\frac{1}{3}} + (5-\sqrt{\frac{683}{27}})^{\frac{1}{3}}$.
 
@BalarkaSen shrugs better than what everyone else said before me (i.e. nothing)
 
i'm not even sure how to go about doing this
 
i would imagine a naive answer is p^n as n grows forever
which would logically give 0
but that's wrong
as it's like a tree
 
I think what I said was math. "infinite product mumble mumble" and pretending that's an extremely good hint is not math.
 
1:05 AM
every branch you go down yeilds more results
so even though there are infinite branches
an amount giving a non-zero percentage might actually have them live forever
mind = blown
i saw a video discussing this sort of problem once
 
i have no idea about probability theory, but is there never a point at which all the blobs die out?
 
made no sense to me
but was intriguing
@ZachHauk it's literally asking what is the probability that the blob race live eternally
and what is the probability that the blob race ever go extinct?
 
like, $(1-p)^n$ is the chance of $n$ blobs dying out.
 
yeah sure
but what is the probability of having n blobs after m days?
 
is that what the question is asking?
 
1:08 AM
not exactly
but it's relevant most likely
 
I think it will involve infinite products but I'd need to know that everything is independent
Also, hi, I'm back
 
@AkivaWeinberger after a finite number of days, there will always be a chance of all blobs dying out, right?
non-zero chance
 
he doesn't know
XD
 
what's $0^{n}$ as $n\to\infty$ in probability classes?
 
it could literally be 0% and 100%
blobs always die
@Null obviously 0
that never changes
ahh i see
 
1:12 AM
@ZachHauk Yeah, $(1-p)^{\text{however many are left}}$
 
@ZachHauk Of course there is.
 
@AkivaWeinberger for p = 1 or 0 you have a trivial case. did you know that?
 
@AkivaWeinberger so how can we not conclude that at some point there will be a "mass extinction of blobs" where that chance occurs
 
Yes @TheGreatDuck
 
maybe im spewing nonsense, who knows; ask a probability theorist
 
1:12 AM
@ZachHauk But who says that happens 100% of the time
 
@ZachHauk certain population models say that if the probability of death is low enough the population increases without bound
 
@TheGreatDuck but we aren't going to live infinitely , unlike blobs
 
That's expected value though @TheGreatDuck
 
is probability theory that rigorous?
 
@ZachHauk that is not proven.
 
1:14 AM
@AkivaWeinberger no not talking about expected value. I'm talking about population models via differential equations.
 
Oh. This is very discrete
 
yes i know
but the two are connected in a way
 
@KajHansen good evening
 
population is ways discrete
you know what guys
give me five minuts
 
someone should run a blob simulator in python :)
 
1:15 AM
there's a video i saw once on this very type of problem
@ZachHauk *Matlab
 
inconspicuously edits the message to name every existing programming language
 
Hey there @Null
 
Do pythons eat blobs?
 
doesnt realize that I was switching between things I realized wouldnt work easily
 
@Kaj So what's fresh today
 
@AkivaWeinberger please do not make that another part of the problem... LOL
 
Punchline: The aliens can carry on eternally
 
Every blob has a 23% chance of being a danger noodle snek
 
i hate the types of videos that are like "can you solve this 9th grade geometry problem from <random country here>?"
 
@ZachHauk this guy's videos aren't like that. They tend to be more complex.
:)
and original most of the time
 
1:20 AM
@KajHansen what is your favorite latex font?
 
@AkivaWeinberger I suspect that around 0.5 the chance of survival will be 0.
furthermore
I suspect any % of death higher than .5 will result in extinction
anything lower will have varying degrees of chance for survival
once again though...
 
again, i believe all will become extinct at some point
 
it's a twisted paradox
 
lol that this would be asked in a job interview
 
@ZachHauk do you accept that the chance of extinction drops as the number of blobs increases?
 
1:23 AM
@TheGreatDuck yes, but its ALWAYS non-zero
 
@Null the calc 3 professor i had for a few semesters in different classes once said google literally asks "how many ping pong balls can you fit in a 747 airplane"
@ZachHauk yes, but the limit as it goes to infinity will be 0
 
@TheGreatDuck but that means they have infinitely much time to go extinct
 
assuming the blobs have an expected value that implies a population increase
it's a paradox
you're the one that's in high school right?
 
@TheGreatDuck i'd assume >millions, just out of my gut
 
(not that it matters much)
@Null no I mean like the exact number lol with work showing how to calculate it. granted, that's probably one of their top positions.
or it's just a sarcastic joke
:p
 
1:25 AM
OK, using the video's method
 
well, take the diameter of one ball
and guess the size of a plane in cubic meters
 
@Null you cannot do that
i know what you are thinking
 
$P:=\text{prob(they don't all die)}$
 
1. balls do not fill up the space perfectly
 
@TheGreatDuck yes
but nontheless those values have to be guessed
 
1:26 AM
So we should have $P=pP^2+(1-p)1$
 
Not much @BalarkaSen. Been playing chess mostly
 
otherwise you can't give a number
 
2. balls have to conform to the various shapes of the airplane
 
and I want to choose a different letter. $A:=P$
So $A=pA^2+(1-p)1$
 
and 3. @TheGreatDuck if i compress the balls :P
screw the rules^^
cuz i have no money
 
1:27 AM
@Null I think it's the sort of question where you'd have to create a mathematical function forming the shape of an airplane
 
@TheGreatDuck way to complicated
 
and then do some fancy integral calculation to see how many balls can be tiled into the airplane.
"granted, that's probably one of their top positions." this is google. "too complicated" is probably what they need
once again though
 
@KajHansen Chess is good stuff
 
im assuming it's not just a joke
it might be just a way to test one's reaction
or there might be assumptions im unaware of
be aware that im basing this off of a one or two sentence remark along the lines of "a common question google asks is how many ping pong balls you can fit in a Boeing 747"
 
ok
in a book
 
1:30 AM
im just assuming that math exists that is powerful enough to actually solve that question perfectly
@null I never said it was in a book...
 
there was a question: "how much would one teleport like in startreck cost if it where available for everyone"
^something like this
 
the calc 3 professor i had for a few semesters in different classes once said google literally asks "how many ping pong balls can you fit in a 747 airplane"
^^ that was what I said
ooooh
 
no i mean I read such a question in a novel
 
you split your post in two posts. XD
i know how much it would cost
 
it wouldnt cost much, because teleporting wouldn't be something one likes to do. that was the interviewees answer
because basically you die everytime you teleport
 
1:33 AM
to the person using it it only costs whatever side effect of teleporting there is as star trek people live in a post scarcity society and everything costs nothing.
 
I stated the question wrongly
 
"one teleport like in startreck" costs nothing just like "one ___ like in startreck" costs nothing
that would be my answer
 
"how much would you pay for the patent of teleporting" (assuming a working prototype)
 
oooh
so it would be like if some guy were to invent a teleport tomorrow then?
 
my mind is like a giant riddle screen, sorry
 
1:35 AM
not what does it cost to teleport something?
 
yes, imagine you where the CEO of microsoft or some other company
 
hmmm
it would cost quite a bit
just like time travel actually
the patent wouldn't be useful for human transportation
 
actually I would be a bad interviewer haha
 
the profit would come from the elimination of any need to ship things cross country
imagine going to every major distributor center for your company and saying "I have a device that renders you all obsolete. Get out. You're fired."
You just saved at least $100,000 a year
now sell your product to other companies for usage
better yet
rent it
 
@TheGreatDuck better yet, steal it, like china
 
1:38 AM
pay per use and you literally own shipping itself
heck
go to the us postal service
 
the thing is
 
tell them you can charge them a royalty and they can add it as a special "insta-delivery" service.
what?
 
if teleporting is real, then i think humanity has other problems than monetary stuff
 
what makes you say that?
 
I think blobs die out with probability $\dfrac1p-1$ for $p\ge0.5$ and $1$ for $p\le0.5$
 
1:40 AM
because I didn't see a single dollar in startrek ;)
 
oh well yeah fair enough
im just saying though
even if it were illegal to transport humans
(and animals)
one could easily own a large chunk of the global market by having a patent on telportation
especially if the teleporter works on a planetary range
one could own all imports and exports
 
yeah, but what is the global market worth, if you can teleport out of the solarsystem?
 
hard for a shipping company using freighters to compete with the guy able to teleport from coast to coast in under 30 minutes (to allow for lines)
@Null NASA would be able to launch probes dirt cheap once a receiving station is installed out in space.
so worth quite a bit
im assuming human teleportation is illegal and immoral
so only probes could take advantage of that
 
so machines win again, meh
 
humans on Mars would still have to wait lest "biological material" spontaneously explode upon receiving.
no im assuming the teleportation of biological proteins and compounds results in... explosive results.
 
1:45 AM
haha
 
not like a grenade or a nuke mind you
 
just for fun or do you have a reason?
 
more like ""i stuck you in the microwave" boom.
 
actually
 
@Null for fun and cause it removes the need to worry about moral issues in teleporting people.
 
1:47 AM
if teleporting can't break the lightbarrier of information, I think it would have limited(albeit great) uses
 
no need to worry about if teleporting "kills" you if you would die on the other side either way.
 
I think blobs die out with probability $\dfrac1p-1$ for $p\ge0.5$ and $1$ for $p\le0.5$ @BalarkaSen
 
@Null I am assuming that. teleporting faster will need wormhole technology.
 
Neat, @Akiva.
 
that's a different patent under a different competitor.
 
1:48 AM
mmh, I wonder if the Manhatten project guys thought "lets invent this nuclear bomb, such that the idiots bomb themselves"
 
The reason is I think that if they die out with probability $X$, we should have $X=pX^2+(1-p)$ @BalarkaSen
 
at some point the thought might have crossed their minds
i know many of them were supposedly horrified
 
That makes sense actually.
 
cause they had no idea what they were making
i don't think anyone really understood the sheer magnitude of death that a nuclear bomb could release into the world
 
conspiracy keanu: what if the idea of nuclear bombs came from aliens to preparate the planet
 
1:50 AM
that is highly unlikely
 
@BalarkaSen and $1$ is always a root but I think that if you do it more rigorously you find that it has to be the smallest positive root
 
conspiracy keanu: aliens created zippers as zippers are 50% faster to undo then buttons and so buttons (which aliens obviously have a natural blood-borne phobia towards that results in instant death) would eventually cease to exist in the masses.
 
haha
lol did you came up with this?
 
conspiracy keanu: drunken aliens from the future created the Great Wall of China because they wanted to prove that 1,000,000 plates of china could actually stay standing in a giant pile without breaking.
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@Null yes
 
@TheGreatDuck Have you ever thought about how insane zippers are
You need to make hundreds of teeth that are all exactly the same size
 
1:54 AM
@AkivaWeinberger not really.
 
and sew them onto a piece of clothing exactly equally spaced
 
that's why we have China.
 
@TheGreatDuck hilarious
 
or else they won't mesh right
And then they're massed produced
 
to be fair, that's likely automated
by machines
and it's probably digitally designed in a 3d modeling program
 
1:55 AM
I know. But it explains why they didn't exist before people discovered how to automate production @TheGreatDuck
Because doing it by hand is an insane idea
 
actually...
 
I'm always baffled how quadcores are produced
 
they didn't automate zippers originally
 
Similarly: Velcro
@TheGreatDuck Really? Then that's insane.
 
now, 128 cores in some random graphiccards is incomprehendable for me
 
1:55 AM
same with velcro
@Null ive never actually seen the circuitry so i cannot say
but the programming to make them all interact
now that was truly a marvel of mankind
 
well, is it neccessary that they all have the same frequence?
 
frequence?
what?
 
i am studying computer science
not computer engineering.
i would assume there are only two frequencies in any computer for true and false
but other than that it beats me
 
low voltage and high voltage
not frequencies
 
1:58 AM
can two cores multithread if there is a slight difference between frequencies? like 1Ghz vs 999Mhz
 
@Null cpu scheduling?
 
@Null those 128 cores in a graphics card aren't actual computer cores. They are linear algebra calculations burned directly into the metal.
rendering a 3D model is literally just linear algebra x1000
using a series of pretty complicated (yet simple) steps
if I am to guess, 90% of those cores are vector operations.
 
@TheGreatDuck do you own a nintendo 64 console?
 
nope
 

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