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06:00
@MartinSleziak
Thanks for giving me an advice.
You're welcome. I hope at least some of that might possibly by helpful for you.
Whenever I had an update, I edit the post so that you can see my past edit.
And also, I have lots of unanswered question even if I asked not many.
What does MSE stands for?
math stack exchange
I have a simple question.
06:05
@kayak Since I know nothing about PDEs, I cannot really help you with the question. But perhaps you can try to have a look at the questions found here to see whether they are related to what you are trying to do. And of course you can try searching for other questions or using Google, built-in-search or other search engine.
If \phi_1 and \phi_2 are an orthonormal function in a Hilbert space, then for any linear transform L, Is (L\phi_1,\phi_2)=0 generally? I definitely guess it is not true hahaha.
I just make a recall.
@MartinSleziak Yes I should have done that! I didn't haha Ill try!
That's false in $\mathbb{R}^n$
Idk about this setting though
Well, $\mathbb R^n$ is a Hilbert space.
of course not... Thanks for refreshing.
Is it "a function"?
06:09
Hilbert space can be thought as a set of functions or set of vectors or so on.
orthogonal vectors I mean
Cool. I've never worked with "Hilbert spaces" before
I consider '\phi_1', '\phi_2' as functions
That term at least
@kayak What do you mean by functions in a Hilbert space? A Hilbert space per se does not consist of functions - it consists of vectors.
Like any vector space does.
@BalarkaSen, the function space could be a vector space
Like continuous functions over R
06:12
That's an example of a vector space where vectors are declared to be the functions.
@KajHansen Good example.
But in general that doesn't make any sense.
if we know the irrationality measure of a transcendental number $x$, is it possible to find the irrationality measure of $\frac{1}{x}$? In particular the irrationality measure of $e^{-1}$
@MartinSleziak
I didn't know the search options like here approach0.xyz/search/….
This search engine is cool.
Thanks!!
Yes, it is relatively new.
You can find more about it here: Announcing a third-party search engine for Math StackExchange.. And here various links to posts related to searching this site are collected.
But I slowly get the feeling that I am doing nothing but feeding you lots of links - and such amount of them that nobody would be able to have at least cursory glance to all of them. (Many of them contain a lot of text.)
06:17
Is there kinda 'news' or 'announcement' in MSE?
on the meta site, yes
@MartinSleziak Lolllll I'm a computer lover. I may use all of them.
You can always just Google "[Insert Search Here] inurl:math.stackexchange"
@Sophie Oh thanks.
@KajHansen I use to do that. But as you know, having interactions and discussions is really good one.
You might visit meta regularly to be sure to notice all off them. But even if you do not visit meta, the most important ones are displayed in .
@KajHansen I certainly use that often (although I use site: instead of inurl: - I am not sure what a difference is.) But when searching for a formula, this is often much better than Google.
In Google i would have to try "x^2+y^2=z^2" and "a^2+b^2=c^2" and other names of variables. Here I do get all of them at once.
06:22
@MartinSleziak After I found a 'Approach0' search engine.
@MartinSleziak Lolll I used to do that hahahhaa.
@MartinSleziak Wowbow.
Of course, any method has advantages and disadvantages. So does this search engine.
good points
For example, it shows various formulas which are in a sense similar to the search query, so you might actually end up with useless results which are far from your question.
And it is restricted to this site.
@MartinSleziak
Could we search some words with tagging?
But still, if I see, for example, some limit which has probably been asked many times, my first attempts to find a duplicate are either using frequent tab for the relevant tag(s) or putting the limit into Approach0.
06:28
Ahha
@kayak AFAIK not in Approach0. But on this site you can restrict search using tags. Like searching for "x^2+y^2=z^2 but only among the questions tagged (diophantine-equations).
http://math.stackexchange.com/search?q=%5Bdiophantine-equations%5D%5Bnumber-theory%5D%5Bgeometry%5D+%22x%5E2%2By%5E2%3Dz%5E2%22
Here I tried haha thanks!
hey @KajHansen
If P is a sylow p subgroup then is it true that $N_G(P) = P$ ?
Normalizer?
yeah
5
Q: $|G|=p(p+1)$ for $p$ prime, then $G$ has a normal subgroup of order $p$ or $p+1$

ramanujan_diracI am trying to solve the above question, as an application of Sylow's theorem. Let $P$ be the p-Sylow subgroup. Then $n_p | (p+1)$ and $n_p \equiv 1 \pmod{p}$. If $n_p =1$, $P$ is normal and we are done, else $n_p = p+1$. Now, \begin{equation} 1+n_p(p-1) = 1 + (p+1)(p-1) = p^2, \end{equation} ...

I don't understand why $n_p = p + 1$, then N_G(P) = P.
06:32
$n_p=[G:N_G(P)]$
what does $n_p=p+1$ tell us $|N_G(P)|$ is?
@Adeek It is not ture. If |G|=2p, G=N_G(P)\neqP for p>2.
oh I see.
@arctictern I see I forgot about that $|N_G(P)| = p$
I wasn't aware of that equality @arctictern. Interesting
so yeah we get that
@KajHansen G acts on {p-sylows} by conjugation, sylow thms say it's one orbit, orbit stabilizer says its size is G/Stab, and Stab(P) = N(P)
06:36
yeah I wasn't aware of this equality as well.
Very nice.
cool
.https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=RDqWiVAeJhRpc&v=1SiZiXPa3_k
^More dope trax
I'd listen to those if I recover my headphone
Headphone lost?
06:46
sounds like it.
i'm a bit ill today so i don't want to get up and find it. let's see if i can track it down from my bed.
Ah, I hope you get to feeling better
found it
get better, @Balarka
rehi @Kaj, Karim ... hi, tern
Hey hey
06:50
I plan to, @Ted.
hey @TedShifrin
Ted speaker
?
I am stressing about exams
3 exams right back to back
Not been able to sleep past few days insomnia and stuff
My last @TedShifrin experience I had 7 consecutive hours of finals with little-to-no break
well, at least my final was first? :D
06:51
Oh man, that was great
that comes of your having taken 4 1/2 hours — or was it 6? — back to back on Tuesday/Thursday ... which a certain person told you not to do. :D
I did well on that algebra final after. Definitely mastered that material to a better extent. A fortunate happenstance.
Dr. Graham always makes his finals take 4 hours at least
Not on purpose I don't think. Not one person had left by the 3 hour mark though.
Well, most of the stuff on mine was predictable based on what I told everyone to expect.
It happened twice...with complex analysis too
I never have to give or grade another final. Yippee.
06:53
You were a grading machine
Is that a good thing or a bad thing? :D
Good. The math department in general got stuff back very quickly. It's easily the best department at UGA on that front.
@Kaj: I think you knew that the index of the normalizer is the number of Sylow subgroups. That's even in my crummy book :D
I forget things sometimes, unfortunately
Yeah, you're allowed to forget things. I was just saying you were once aware :)
06:55
I gathered rust on group theory.
Don't really use those stuff often. I should.
Certain things I don't forget ... but when Alzheimers starts, who knows ...
Classify all groups of order 2^8 @balarka
It'll come back to you when you actually need it, @Balarka.
It might not start @TedShifrin ?
That's the kind of stuff that makes most people hate algebra, @Kaj.
06:56
hahaha, I know @Ted. I wasn't being serious
Meh, @Kaj
Of course, Balarka didn't like some of my diff geo problems, either :D
Man, DogAteMy has amazing intuition for so many different things in math. I'm truly impressed. But don't tell him.
Do the square wheel problem Mr Sen
Don't worry, I'll just "star" that comment @Ted
@TedShifrin I think I'll stop digging down the abstract road for a while after the exams (that'd be next tuesday and over for a while). I have found that I have trouble working stuff out doing that - it narrows my point of view.
Did you ever do that without assuming that the center of the wheel lay over the point of contact, @Kaj?
06:58
Akiva is amazing.
Unfortunately not :/
I secretly envy him, actually. :P
You do all right, @Balarka. And I keep trying to stress to people like @meow that learning isn't a matter of competition or speed.
@Kaj: I guess you argued it on physical grounds? (The math proof is an exercise in the very last bit of 3.4 that I think I assigned.)
Oh, yeah, I hate speed limits. I am in general quite slow. But I am just saying I should think more than reading for some time.
I can't remember how I did it exactly. It's been too long
07:00
Yes, especially since you like playing with problems, @Balarka.
Right.
When you're in grad school you don't get to do what you enjoy, but you guys should be doing stuff you really enjoy. I guess I need to think of a few more for DogAteMy ... several analysis ones and one diff geo one down the tubes.
I somehow feel like reading more and more abstract machinery just makes me lose creativity.
And if you feel like dropping math entirely for a few months, that's ok, too.
Nah, math is life :)
07:02
LOL, OK.
@KajHansen Liquid Sun is dope, agreed.
That's not what I linked? :O
Did you see my note earlier, @Kaj, about maybe trying to do lunch on Jan 2 or 3?
You linked it a few messages above. I clicked it instead of the one you linked because I liked the cover art better.
I linked Spacelords and Electric Octopus
Yeah, I said that's conceivable @Ted
07:05
Ya, the former is what I meant.
In Atlanta?
OH, ok, I thought I remembered Fargle saying that.
Yeah, in ATL.
Ted, do people studying math have to produce original results? It seems completely unfeasible that people are able to produce original mathematics on demand
This is the first time I am actively hearing modern music though :P
07:07
For a PhD and research publication, yes, @Sophie, pretty much. Of course, "original results" can include a tweak of a known theorem, where you vary hypotheses and prove something stronger ... etc.
Modern classical music, @Balarka?
I'm gonna prove something weaker
I am not sure if this classifies as classical.
LOL, that sounds powerful, @Kaj.
I was gonna say you could try some of my dad's music, @Balarka. There are CDs, but I don't know how easy it is to find otherwise.
Ohh, right, I remember. He was a clarinetist, I think?
No, that's an unrelated Shifrin. David.
07:09
A composer
My dad was a composer.
Well, @Kaj, it wasn't entirely clear from what I said. David Shifrin is a superb clarinetist, however.
Related?
Not that I know of, no.
Although in principle it wasn't that common a Russian name, so there may be some relation going back a generation or two in Russia. ... I'm sure Putin could tell the Donald.
07:11
Off on a tangent I really like the background music here. Though I have linked this before once or twice.
@TedShifrin So you're by origin Russian?
Pretty cool.
OK, I'm out. Feel better, Balarka. You too, Kaj. Night!
Bubyes.
Good talking to you. Good night
This is beautiful @BalarkaSen
07:12
:)
the film is beautiful too. one of my favorites
.https://youtu.be/SzVkJ40OJxg?t=350
Here's another instrumental album. I've been listening to instrumental music a decent bit recently (copied at the start of a good track)
here is a bach by the same guy (Artemiev) who composed the former.
@KajHansen god is an astronaut? God is a Serb youtube.com/watch?v=U-EQJA8Ahac
ha! @Sophie
neat, @Kaj.
07:21
:)
@arctictern are groups of order p*(p + 1) nilpotent or solvable ?
derp. shrugs.
Hello chat
07:44
mystical greetings, @Fargle
@GFauxPas i just realized why your name is so familiar to me
hi @Fargle
How goes it, @Balarka and @Adeek?
I'm sick.
I'm sorry to hear. What's wrong?
07:47
@Fargle studying for exams
@Fargle A bit feverish - I catch cold a lot this time of the year.
I see. The same happened to me a week or so ago, @Balarka.
@Adeek: what are the subjects?
geometry, algebra, and functional analysis
Yikes. Hope you recovered out of it.
terrible week for me haha
07:50
I have. Just sinuses for most of it.
Oh boy, @Adeek, that looks like a whole platter of fun.
Hi chat
ciao
Not this again.
if Ramanujan didn't know about analytic continuation, how did he find the correct values where the sum diverges?
What he did is probably secretly analytic continuation.
08:40
@BalarkaSen
@BalarkaSen are you alive?
@ForeverMozart
Yes I am
Last I checked anyway
I'm making pictures what are you doing?
not much
08:48
I have a severe headache from trying to plan stuff
09:00
Anyone pde-specialist?
Let $f:\mathbb{C}\to\mathbb{C}$, $g:\mathbb{C}\to\mathbb{R}$ and $h:\mathbb{C}\to\mathbb{R}$ such that $f(x)=g(x)+ih(x)$, $f(0)=0$ and $f$ is differentiable at $0$. Then $\forall \epsilon >0\exists \delta>0 : |z|<\delta\implies \left|\frac{f(z)-f(0)}{z}\right|<\epsilon$ then $|f(z)|<\epsilon |z|$ then $g(z)^2+h(z)^2<\epsilon^2|z|^2$ then $g(z)<\epsilon |z|$ which means $\lim_{z\to 0}\frac{g(z)}{|z|}=0$ but by L'hopilal $g'(0)=0$ which means $f'(0) = 0$, and that's clearly absurd
and I can't figure out what went wrong
help
@sophie
?
what is the question?
easy
but i can not do it
need to calculate work along the curve
"Just ask; don't ask to ask."
09:10
~F(x; y; z) = (xz, yz + x^2yz + y3z + yz5, 2z^4)
surface: (x^2 + y^2 + z^4)e^(y2)
= 1, x >= 0,
nornal: in the point (1, 0, 0) equals ~N = (1, 0, 0)
work of this vector field along edge of
surface, which is oriented according to the orientation of the surface
?
sophie, u here ?
I don't know the multivariable calculus to answer that
can anybody here?
@all
@Sophie "$\forall \epsilon >0\exists \delta>0 : |z|<\delta\implies \left|\frac{f(z)-f(0)}{z}\right|<\epsilon$" is not the same as being differentiable at $0$. It means it's differentiable with derivative $0$ at $0$.
I suppose that makes sense @BalarkaSen
Which being said, your computations are all perfectly fine, and no potential contradictions are there.
09:22
Overextension never stopped Hitler opening a new front, and not me either! I'm going to invade complex analysis and annex all the theorems
@robjohn have you seen the notes that I wrote at my question?
09:38
@Sophie ...
3
Hitler is probably not an ideal person to have as a mathematical idol.
I suggest Stalin.
can u help ?
@BalarkaSen what about Napoleon?
In geometry, Napoleon's theorem states that if equilateral triangles are constructed on the sides of any triangle, either all outward or all inward, the centres of those equilateral triangles themselves form an equilateral triangle. The triangle thus formed is called the inner or outer Napoleon triangle. The difference in area of these two triangles equals the area of the original triangle. The theorem is often attributed to Napoleon Bonaparte (1769–1821). Some have suggested that it may date back to W. Rutherford's 1825 question published in The Ladies' Diary, four years after the French emperor...
09:40
Also good.
Napoleon also has nice works on doing geometric constructions with just a compass.
that was a very long night yesterday
geometric constructions with a compass and a ruler (of France)
Or maybe that was his friend Mascheroni. I don't remember anymore.
Ok, here it is.
10:06
nice construction
I was never any good at those
me neither
is it possible to double the cube with ruler, compass, and angle trissector?
I think so
Ah, maybe not? Wikipedia says a cubic equation with real coefficients can be solved with those tools iff all its roots are real
Which is certainly false for $x^3=2$
10:23
clever point
I just stole it from wikipedia.
11:12
Could we find the 3-adic expansion od 1/5 by the geometric series as follows?
For $x=-\frac{2}{3}$ we get $$\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \left (-\frac{2}{3}\right ) ^n=\frac{1}{1+\frac{2}{3}}=\frac{3}{5}$$
so $$\frac{1}{5}=\frac{1}{3}\sum \left (-\frac{2}{3}\right ) ^n=\frac{1}{3}\left (1-\frac{2}{3}+\frac{4}{9}-\frac{8}{27}+\ldots \right )=\frac{1}{3}-\frac{2}{9}+\frac{4}{27}-\frac{8}{81} +\ldots \\ =3^{-1}-2\cdot 3^{-2}+4\cdot 3^{-3}-8\cdot 3^{-4}+\ldots =3\cdot 3^{-2}-2\cdot 3^{-2}+4\cdot 3\cdot 3^{-4}-8\cdot 3^{-4}+\ldots = $$
11:53
Hi all
12:28
How to prove that $\forall n,m \in \Bbb N_{>1}: \exists a \in \Bbb N: n^a > m$?
the Archimedean property, but it depends on what your axioms and definitions are
@DHMO let $n=(1+x)$, then $n^a=\sum_{k}{a\choose k}x^k≥ a x$
so long as $x$ is positive
this expression grows unboundedly with $a$
@Sophie can I just use the natural numbers?
what?
Archimedes is a proprety of natural numbers
12:39
what
communication failure
hi @DHMO and @Astyx :)
hi
@DHMO induction is the way to go here
@Null hi
What's up ?
@Astyx induction on what?
12:44
m
and use euclidean division
@Astyx I see, thanks
My pleasure
@Astyx Today I will make 30 push ups :)
"I will" really sounds like procrastination to me
I for myself will nap today
@Astyx haha, then let's do it
meh
reached only 11
12:47
Try again later
what is the edge of a mobius strip? Is it a trefoil knot or a toroid?
I gotta go bye
It's an unlink. I don't know what toroid means.
@BalarkaSen a donut/coffee mug
That's a 2-dimensional thing. The edge of a moebius strip is 1-dimensional...
12:53
knots are 1-dimensional?
The mobius strip does not have an edge
but I know what you're referring to
@DHMO Que?
@Sophie They are curves... so....
I mean to ask, is the "edge" a trivial knot or a trefoil knot?
@BalarkaSen how do you know it is an unlink?
12:54
It's a trivial knot, @Sophie.
@DHMO Trace it by hand.
thanks
I also meant unknot, not unlink. But whatever.
that explains why I can't find that on google
@BalarkaSen Que?
I am not going to answer questions which are not really questions.
12:56
@BalarkaSen AFAIK you can also trace a trefoil knot by hand so what's so special about it
You trace it by hand to figure out what the boundary looks like.
it looks like a mess
No it doesn't.
yes it does
Build a moebius strip by hand, @Sophie.
12:59
I'm trying to get a stapler to work

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