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00:00
@DHMO ok, then the answer wolfram gives me when it solves the integral is the convergence point
Thz
@saturatedexpo still no idea
you are welcome
@DHMO only one missing element would be easier imo
but still hard for me haha
@saturatedexpo how?
f(x)=0.5 if x=0
f(x)=0.5 + 0.5x if x in Q without 0
f(x)=0.5 -0.5x if x in R\Q
do we really have to use dirichlet?
what is f^-1(0.25)?
00:05
ouch
0.5?
mmh
too disturbing haha
@DHMO would the problem be the same with [0,1] and ]2,10[ ?
@BalarkaSen here ?
00:37
@Ramanujan 1729 <3
Hello guys i need some help
I have posted a question with no good answers so far
I really need someone to explain to me so i can finish the rest of my homework
anyone can help me ?
can't help ya if you don't post the actual question
@NaCl hi!
too lazy to go to your profile
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Q: Double improper integral , how to see if it diverge

Kasmir Khaan$$\iint_D \frac{(x+y) e^{y-x}}{x^2 y^2}dx \, dy$$ $$D= \{(x,y) ; 0\leq y+1\leq x , xy\geq 1 \}$$ Iv been stuck on this for past two hours , I need some hint . My bounds are : $\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}\leq X<\infty $ $\frac 1 x \leq Y\leq x-1$ are the bounds correct ? I need some hints, ...

00:38
@saturatedexpo yo
do you see it ?
ok that's above my current level
okay thanks for trying
I have 7 other of same type if only i can crack one
there are more people here than me ;)
00:40
how do i make it get more attention ?
bounty
too many ppl posting its not on the top anymore
it sais i have to wait 20 hours
thats how things work here
indeed thanks
you have been very helpfull thanks
if you want i bounty it lol
00:44
i would be very glad if you could
@KasmirKhaan sorry
but isnt it answered already?
nothing to be sorry about
it is but its not correct
the double integral is divergent but he claims to be convergent
where is the bounty button? :D
it sais i should wait 2 days to be able to bounty
1 day few hours have passed
00:46
ah, i dont see anything, so i cant
@saturatedexpo you can in 20 hours
its okay mate , ill have to wait untill tomorrow
We are not even doing real analysis and they give us such questions
Today I heard about a cool problem. Take two integers $a, b$. Let $c=\frac{a}{b}$ such that $c\in\mathbb{Q}$. Now let n\in\mathbb{N} be fixed and $0\le d_1,d_2,d_3,\cdots,d_n\le 9$, such that $d_1,d_2,d_3,\cdots,d_n\in\mathbb{N}$ denote digits of some number $c$. Given all $d_1,d_2,d_3,\cdots,d_n$ prove that there exist infinitely many pairs $(a,b)$ such that $\frac{a}{b}$ results in a number, where the given digit sequence $d_1,d_2,d_3,\cdots,d_n$ will appear somewhere at least once.
we cant see the problem
well we do but in a messed up way , unreadable
00:52
Just take $a$ some number with the given digit sequence and $b = 1$.
and then?
I forgot: $b$ mustn't divide $a$
Maybe I don't understand the problem.
also if you just give one pair, that's no proof that there exist infinitely many such pairs
I gave infinitely many, because $a$ was picked from an infinite set...
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Q: Double improper integral , how to see if it diverge

Kasmir Khaan$$\iint_D \frac{(x+y) e^{y-x}}{x^2 y^2}dx \, dy$$ $$D= \{(x,y) ; 0\leq y+1\leq x , xy\geq 1 \}$$ Iv been stuck on this for past two hours , I need some hint . My bounds are : $\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}\leq X<\infty $ $\frac 1 x \leq Y\leq x-1$ are the bounds correct ? I need some hints, ...

Can anyone post something here so my question goes back on the top of list ?
00:56
@MeesdeVries ok you misunderstand.
Anyway, if you do not want $b \mid a$, then pick $a$ any number containing the given digit sequence and let $b$ be a string of the same length consisting only of 9s.
@KasmirKhaan posting doesnt "bump" i believe
Can you rephrase so I do?
I'll try partially
I think i should just give up :D sorry for this
00:57
the sequence of digits is given prior to the proof, then you're supposed to prove that there exist infinitely many $a, b$
that fulfill the condition
I hope tomorrow i would get help
I would give all my points as bounty
o, good catch
I know. So fix your sequence of digits. Then take any $a$ containing the digit sequence (that's already infinitely many) and take $b$ the string of 9s such that $b$ and $a$ have the same length.
@MeesdeVries that actually sounds good
Then you can just append for $a$ a zero and for $b$ a $9$ again
and so on and so forth
technically this does not work if the digit sequence is all 9s, in which case you require $a$ to always contain at least one non-nine digit in addition to the digit sequence.
Yes... that's a special case of what I said, yeah.
00:59
true
@NaCl 1729 means?
@Ramanujan you call yourself "Ramanujan" and don't know about 1729?
I'm disappointed
@saturatedexpo sup bro
OK,iknow
Know igot
@NaCl 1729 i dont know tho, maybe the year of chemestry?
01:03
Special no which can be written as sum of cubes of 2 smallest no.
@saturatedexpo First taxicab-number
In two different ways
lol, this seems arbitary^^
and has some nice properties as well. e.g. 1729 = 19 * 91
1+7+2+9=19
1^3 + 12^3 and 9^3 + 10^3
01:04
ye
so a very saltinated taxi
yum yum
oh and as far as I remember it always divides any natural number $x^{1729}-x$
@NaCl water Molecule will disovle you,be careful
@Ramanujan I am, thank you. :)
@NaCl year 1729: "August 1 – The Comet of 1729, possibly the largest comet, with the highest apparent magnitude, on record, is discovered by Fr. Nicolas Sarrabat, a professor of mathematics at Marseille."
"a professor of mathematics"
"comet"
brilliant :D
01:07
wow
That is awesome as hell
2^(74,207,281) − 1
Who knows?
some big number
Without googling
biggest prime?
(known)
Right
01:10
good save
:)
i think i googled that last night
but of course i cant remember the number haha
wat
honestly
I too!:D
Wasn't it bigger?
I too copied
01:11
yes something like 10 digits in the exponent? i look it haha
No, I looked it up just now
that's kinda small isnt it?
I think the guys from numberphile printed this as book
01:12
Yes
2-3 book
haha, one misprinted digit and its worthless^^
that's just mad
I watched before:D
i have a good one:
01:13
@saturatedexpo I can't imagine computer printer make mistakes
Oh boy, have you never used a printer before?
@Ramanujan they do, ESPECIALLY with numbers
8=0, 9=0, ect
happens all the time
OK,i did not used printers
I have this printout of a homework assignment somewhere, a tex-based PDF, where the printer shifted every unicode character by 1.
well, i don't know if they fixed it
but it made many many buiseness year calculations practically worthless
01:15
depends on the type of printer you use
anyways, おやすみなさい!it's like 2AM here lmfao
need to get up at 6am
不也
@NaCl i need to get up at ~9
It's morning in India!
10pm here on Argentina :D
@MeesdeVries sounds fun :D (was your excercise to get exactly that?)
01:38
Does $G=\mathbb{R}/ \mathbb{Z}$ mean that G is partitioned?
01:51
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Q: Double improper integral , how to see if it diverge

Kasmir Khaan$$\iint_D \frac{(x+y) e^{y-x}}{x^2 y^2}dx \, dy$$ $$D= \{(x,y) ; 0\leq y+1\leq x , xy\geq 1 \}$$ Iv been stuck on this for past two hours , I need some hint . My bounds are : $\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}\leq X<\infty $ $\frac 1 x \leq Y\leq x-1$ are the bounds correct ? I need some hints, ...

02:30
A nice alternate proof of V-E+F=2, with animation: youtu.be/-9OUyo8NFZg
I like the black background aesthetic
@DHMO there?
 
1 hour later…
03:32
does $G=\mathbb{R}/\mathbb{Z}$ (quotient groups) mean anything in G is lying in ]-1,1[?
@saturatedexpo First, it would be $[0,1)$ (don't forget $0$!)--second, "kinda", in the sense that each coset of $\Bbb Z$ has a representative in $[0,1)$, but elements of $G$ are cosets, not single real numbers.
That being said
ohgodpleasegivememoremathIcan'thandlethiselection
03:48
i don't understand, why is -0.5 for example not element of G then?
or do you mean -0.5 is "the same" as 0.5?
@Fargle are you in the US?
04:05
@saturatedexpo Yeah.
trump wins
if you believe the prematurely results
oh man
this is close as fuc*
04:20
Time to move to Canada.
hahaha
@saturatedexpo The latter.
we will all die
glad to see people aren't panicking, then :P
04:32
oh my god
florida trump
nnnggg
ugh
538 blog now has Trump at a 77% chance to get elected
538 blog now has Trump at a 77% chance to win.
ah german moderator in tv called him even "Arbeiterführer"=Worker's Leader
@Semiclassical You live close to Canada right? Get me into Canada
tough times are coming
Me first
04:35
That's fine, just get me there ASAP
I mean Jesus, I'm a white male and I'm this scared
is the President commander in chief? or is the military strongly seperated from politics?
commander in chief, yes.
'what rough beast slouches towards bethlehem to be born'
04:40
at least after ww3 no land will have any debt.
the disadvantage is, there will be no land left
utah/iowa trump
wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, nevada
that's what its resting on
the question is
would you have voted for elon musk? lol
FN already called WI.
ugh.
i'm really hoping that's just fox being fox
because if not, then...fuck.
If Clinton wins MI, PENN,NV and NH the vote will be decided by a congressional district.
04:46
jfc
If Trump takes any of those its over.
538 gives Trump a 78% chance and Clinton a 20% chance.
what is 538 ?
An analytics blog.
our algebra prof said if trump wins she will move permanently to canada haha.
user228700
Hi everyone :-)
user228700
04:56
Mathworld by Wolfram alpha defines many-one functions as follows:
user228700
> "A function f which may (but does not necessarily) associate a given member of the range of f with more than one member of the domain of f."
user228700
"May, but not necessarily"? Can anybody explain this to me?
@Kaumudi It means f : A --> B may have the property that f^-1(x) for x in B is of cardinality more than 1. But it may as well be 1.
So one-to-one functions are also considered as many-to-one.
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Q: Double improper integral , how to see if it diverge

Kasmir Khaan$$\iint_D \frac{(x+y) e^{y-x}}{x^2 y^2}dx \, dy$$ $$D= \{(x,y) ; 0\leq y+1\leq x , xy\geq 1 \}$$ Iv been stuck on this for past two hours , I need some hint . My bounds are : $\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}\leq X<\infty $ $\frac 1 x \leq Y\leq x-1$ are the bounds correct ? I need some hints, ...

I need help with this
anyone pls ?
user228700
@BalarkaSen Oh .__.
user228700
05:07
OK, thanks, I'll think about this.
@BalarkaSen so many to one functions are simply not injective?
(or can be not injective?)
can be not injective, according to mathworld's defn.
I'd define it to not be injective at least somewhere.
user228700
What is the correct definition, then?
@Kaumudi balarka's is the most precise IMO
Function which's not injective somewhere. There is a point such that more than one point gets mapped to it.
I wouldn't say it's "the correct definition", just what people usually means by many-to-one.
user228700
05:12
@BalarkaSen I don't really get this definition :|
Can you be specific?
user228700
Can u pls elaborate on the whole point?
@Kaumudi $f(x)=x^2$ is many to one. but $f(x)=x$ according to WFs def too
@Kaumudi Well, what do you mean by the whole point?
user228700
I just graduated high school and it would be helpful if u explained it in simpler terms, if possible..?
05:15
@Kaumudi examples are probably a quicker way google.de/…
in contrast look at one to one and the other terms ;)
@Kaumudi A many-to-one function is a function which is not injective. Forget mathworld's definition if that's confusing you.
@BalarkaSen would sin(x) be a good example?
user228700
But what do they mean by "not necessarily"? Isn't that the definition? Then how can they say " not necessarily"?!
@Kaumudi They mean a many-to-one function associates a given member of the range with one or more than one member of the domain.
It's rather poorly phrased, I agree.
user228700
05:19
So all many-one functions are injective?
No, why would that imply what you said?
According to that definition, all injective functions are many-one. Not the other way around.
user228700
> "With one or more than one member of the domain"
user228700
Huh.
I mean, $f(x) = x^2$ is many-one using that definition. Do you see that?
user228700
Yes, that ^, sorry.
05:21
Right.
i think many to one is a stupid definition. but ok
(or stupid phrasing, how you like it)
nobody ever really uses the word many-to-one.
most people just say "not injective"
so, Trump's gonna win
@BalarkaSen Yeah. Literally actually get me out of this country. I'm so done.
user228700
My textbook says "If a function is one-one, it cannot be many-one and vice versa" :/
user228700
Arfgh.
05:27
@Kaumudi So put mathworld's definition in the dustbin and move on.
Like I said 20 minutes ago.
@Kaumudi one to one, onto, many to one are IMO very rarely used anyways ;)
user228700
Yeah :| OK, thanks.
@Fargle Move to Europe for grad-school I guess.
then there is one to many which says nothing to me...
@BalarkaSen Canada's the thought right now.
05:28
Better idea.
@Fargle come to canada it is awesome here
@Adeek Poutine is a natural draw. Not having a fascist leader is about to be another.
one to many function doesnt exist because of function-definition ?
user228700
@saturatedexpo If I understand what you mean by "one to many" correctly, then yeah, I think that would be correct.
user228700
I always think about the position-time graph when visualizing functions-no object can be at two different places at the same time.
05:32
He isn't a facist. He's a sociopathic scammer and he won't be the first.
@PVAL-inactive at least he's old so he might die before the 4th year after election?
@PVAL-inactive I dunno, calling for bans on immigration by religion is pretty fashy to me. But I do agree with your second statement.
@saturatedexpo I'm sure people hoped the same for Reagan. Didn't happen. (Not that it should have, I don't have much of a problem with Reagan, relatively speaking)
user228700
"How to move to Canada: Immigration website crashes as Donald Trump election victory looks imminent"
05:42
if R gets a multiplicative inverse for 0, named c (to not fall into traps). would it then count as a group?
05:53
Who can help me with a question ?
it is very important for me pls anyone ?
Just ask
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Q: Double improper integral , how to see if it diverge

Kasmir Khaan$$\iint_D \frac{(x+y) e^{y-x}}{x^2 y^2}dx \, dy$$ $$D= \{(x,y) ; 0\leq y+1\leq x , xy\geq 1 \}$$ Iv been stuck on this for past two hours , I need some hint . My bounds are : $\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}\leq X<\infty $ $\frac 1 x \leq Y\leq x-1$ are the bounds correct ? I need some hints, ...

this is it
and thanks
hello
what is a smooth domain
hello sir
@KasmirKhaan is the answer given not good with you?
05:57
he claims it converge when the answer is diverge
so it cant be right
and it is from an old exam so they cant have made a mistake
and to be honest i don't know if all the steps he did are legal , like the boundings he made
mmh, that rises to me the question: is a infinitly nested integral always divergent? (not talking about 0)
Kasmir I really don't know how to do that integral and it's late. Maybe ask Ted?
Good luck!
thanks cbjork :)
user228700
I am back w/ another quick question! :-P
user228700
06:12
My textbook says "If either $f'(x)≥0$ $\forall x$ $\in$ the domain of $f$, or $f'(x)≤0$ $\forall x$ $\in$ the domain of $f$, where equality can hold at discrete point(s) only (ie. Strictly monotonic, then function is one-one, otherwise many-one".
user228700
What do they mean by "equality holds at discrete points only"?
saddlepoints
@Kaumudi $f' = 0$ holds only for a bunch of isolated points in the domain. It can't be zero along an interval, say.
user228700
@BalarkaSen Yeah, OK, u mean it can't stay zero-there cannot be any portion on the graph that is a straight line parallel to the x-axis, yeah?
Right, that's the intuition.
user228700
06:15
OK, thanks :-)
If that happens it won't be strictly monotonic. Whereas for discrete critical points (that's where $f' = 0$ happens), look at eg $x^3$.
i guess a textbook that requires explanation is rubbish?
i mean i knew the term, but the definition looks ugly
anyways
trumped
anyone can help me ?
i got a hard question
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Q: Double improper integral , how to see if it diverge

Kasmir Khaan$$\iint_D \frac{(x+y) e^{y-x}}{x^2 y^2}dx \, dy$$ $$D= \{(x,y) ; 0\leq y+1\leq x , xy\geq 1 \}$$ Iv been stuck on this for past two hours , I need some hint . My bounds are : $\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}\leq X<\infty $ $\frac 1 x \leq Y\leq x-1$ are the bounds correct ? I need some hints, ...

06:39
hey @BalarkaSen here
I just want to check the logic of something with you.
Let $f : X \rightarrow Y$ be differentiable map between manifolds of the same dimension. If df(p)(differential map) is non-singular for all p in X, then f is an open map. Give counter example if we drop the condition df(p) is non-singular for all p in X.
So I proved the following result given $f : X \rightarrow Y$ be differentiable map between manifolds of same dimension with df(p) being non-singular. Then there is nbhds $U_p$ and $V_{f(p)}$ such that $f : U \rightarrow V$ is a diffeomorphism.
So suppose $f : X \rightarrow Y$ satisfy the conditions in the hypothesis of the problem. If U subset of X is open we which to show that f(U) is open.
for each $p \in U$ we have df(p) is open so we have that there exists diffeomorphism $f : U_p \rightarrow f(U_p)$ where $U_p \subset U$ is open, so $f : \bigcup_{p \in U}U_p \rightarrow f(\bigcup_{p \in U}U_p)$ is a diffeomorphism. Hence f(U) is open.
what do you think ?
@Adee You need to show that diffeomorphisms are open maps.
You didn't do that anywhere.
oh I thought we get it directly but not necessarily.
your right.
I don't know what that's supposed to mean
06:50
I mean I thought if we have a diffeomorphism $f : U \rightarrow f(U)$ then it is true that $f(U)$ must be open.
Well, prove it, then.
That's the key thing; because your $f$ is a local diffeomorphism.
I see.
ok yes it is not that bad.
@BalarkaSen Suppose that U is open and let $x \in U$. Then we have df(p) is non-singular. So There exists nbhd $U_p$ and $V_{f(p)}$ open such that $f : U_p \rightarrow V_{f{p}}$ is a diffeomorphism. $f(U) = \bigcup_{p \in U}V_{f(p)}$ i.e union of open sets hence open.
That works.
07:05
is there an easy counter example for the second part ?
maybe something like $S^{1}$.
You can give me easy examples $f : \Bbb R \to \Bbb R$
$x^{3/2}$ ?
hmm let us see
I mean, that's not defined in $\Bbb R$
07:11
Oh god...
It's actually happening.
Mhm
I am not surprised, but I don't live in USA.
Yeah, I'm up do to anxiety about our stupid stupid voters.
Anybody got a good math puzzle or contest problem to tackle?
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Q: Double improper integral , how to see if it diverge

Kasmir Khaan$$\iint_D \frac{(x+y) e^{y-x}}{x^2 y^2}dx \, dy$$ $$D= \{(x,y) ; 0\leq y+1\leq x , xy\geq 1 \}$$ Iv been stuck on this for past two hours , I need some hint . My bounds are : $\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}\leq X<\infty $ $\frac 1 x \leq Y\leq x-1$ are the bounds correct ? I need some hints, ...

hm I am little bit confused so if we have $f : \mathbb{R} \rightarrow \mathbb{R}$ which is differentiable then it is necessarily continous right so we must have it to be a homeomorphism ?
@BalarkaSen?
@Adeek ?????!? Certainly not every continuous map is a homeomorphism
07:18
I remember seeing a result before that if we have $g : R^n \rightarrow R^n$ which is continous bijection then it must be homeomorphism.
Where did the condition bijection come from????
hm yeah we don't need to have bijection. I was thinking in terms of bijective function which failed in all cases.
lol
@BalarkaSen here is a trivial example.
$f : \mathbb{R} \rightarrow \mathbb{R}$ given by $x \mapsto 1$
this is differentiable map between manifolds of same dimensions. All the points have singular derivatives and this map isn't open.
lol
@Adeek Sure
There are nonconstant examples, eg $x^2$
It's not open near $0$
OK, I gotta go
ok thanks
07:58
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Q: Double improper integral , how to see if it diverge

Kasmir Khaan$$\iint_D \frac{(x+y) e^{y-x}}{x^2 y^2}dx \, dy$$ $$D= \{(x,y) ; 0\leq y+1\leq x , xy\geq 1 \}$$ Iv been stuck on this for past two hours , I need some hint . My bounds are : $\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}\leq X<\infty $ $\frac 1 x \leq Y\leq x-1$ are the bounds correct ? I need some hints, ...

What a great day to not be American
08:10
@SteamyRoot The sentiment is shared by this American.
haha
08:29
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Q: Double improper integral , how to see if it diverge

Kasmir Khaan$$\iint_D \frac{(x+y) e^{y-x}}{x^2 y^2}dx \, dy$$ $$D= \{(x,y) ; 0\leq y+1\leq x , xy\geq 1 \}$$ Iv been stuck on this for past two hours , I need some hint . My bounds are : $\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}\leq X<\infty $ $\frac 1 x \leq Y\leq x-1$ are the bounds correct ? I need some hints, ...

08:40
@saturatedexpo yes, -0.5=0.5

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