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hi
 
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01:46
@rob is it now morning in the us ?
@Agawa001 no, it is evening
02:01
10PM in the best time zone.
02:51
@BalarkaSen There's a way of avoiding all that extension nonsense by defining something called a "mixed partial derivative" of a map $f:\Omega\subset\Bbb R^m\to M$. The map is uniquely defined by the equality of mixed second partials and the product rule.
Then $\partial_t^2c$ makes sense for a curve $c:I\to M$.
And the geodesic equation is just $\partial_t^2c=0$.
The only problem is that the uniqueness proof is not nice at all.
To define third partials one does need the extension theorem, it seems.
03:31
Are PID questions on topic here?
I'm trying to set up a PID for controlling a motor, but I need the values to be within -3200 and 3200
 
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@JasperLoy Thanks will surely try them.
@amWhy I used calculus of one variable by I.A.Maron and have done some parts of apostol calc vol 1. Thanks will try your books too.
 
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sorry for the really basic question - what is the purpose of the 'z' variable in this question: math.stackexchange.com/questions/338740/…
I've spent the last hour trying to understand the purpose of generating functions and am getting a bit caught up in "generating functions help us do cool things" (like find Binet's formula)
and what the 1/(1-z-z^2) in the question linked above is supposed to represent
:-/
@Sean Well, it is the functions whose taylor series is the given generating function (if we consider the generating function as an actual function)
goes and looks up taylor series' (it's been awhile since my university maths courses)
thanks for the lead @tob
@TobiasKildetoft :-)
@Sean First ping worked too (three letters is sufficient)
Generating functions are a bit weird, as we tend to switch between considering them as formal power series and actual functions on the fly
ah, thanks noted re:ping
hmm, I think I need to go back a bit further than I anticipated
so a taylor series allows you to calculate the value of a function at a particular point
thus, the generating function allows you to calculate the value of a series at a particular point...? @TobiasKildetoft I feel like I'm completely wrong here
I think I'm stumbling because I read: 1 + z + 2z^2 + 3z^3 + 5z^4 ... = 1/(1-(z+z^2)
and think: well, if z=2 then the two sides should equal each other
but they don't...
as that is clearly wrong - I then ask - what am I missing...
 
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@Sean What you are missing is that the power series does not converge for that value of $z$.
12:04
Is there exist any algorithm to find the kernal of the linear operator L if the vector space L is from is something that is continous and/or infinite like in the space of functions?
@Secret Sometimes yes, but it depends on the details
So unlike matrices where we can always solve it via gaussian elimination, there is no general algorithm for kernal of L in function space?
@Secret As I said, it depends on the details. How the function is described for example
I noticed if L is a differential operator, the kernel finding becomes solving a homogenous differential equation. However due to the lack of background in functional analysis, I am wondering if this is what we expect, or there is a better way
Ok, here's a more specific example from a year ago, except phrased in terms of solving for eigenvalues
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Q: Solving for the spectrum and eigenvectors of the "shift operator(?)" $T$ in $P_3(\mathbb{R})$?

Secret This question is inspired from accidentally misreading this question in my tutorial exercise in my linear algebra course because I forgot the 3 in $P_3(\mathbb{R})$ (The actual question can be easily solved by considering the matrix of $T$ and then the eigenvector is found to be the constant p...

Therefore, suppose $T$ is the shift operator in the space of polynomials $\mathcal{P}(\mathbb{R})$, do functional analysis provide an elegant way to solve $T(p)=0$?
12:19
@Secret The kernel of that particular map is $0$
It is easy to check 0 is a solution, but how do we know that it is the only one, since when I plug everything in, I got $p(t+1)=0$ which does not really say much on how the countably infinite many coefficients of p should behave?
@Secret A polynonial has only a finite number of non-zero coefficients
to check that no other polynomials satisfy that just consider the degrees
ok that makes sense, only the zero polynomail has a degree of -1
So in that case for an eigenvalue equation $T(p)=\lambda p$, rearranging gives $(T-\lambda)p=0$. Therefore the LHS must be a zero polynomial regardless of p, and that is possible only when $(T-\lambda)$ is the zero map...ok I must have made a conceptual error, I am not getting anywhere...
no, mistake, $(T-\lambda)$ is not necessary the zero map
...
Anyway, I am more interested in the approach in solving this equation $T(p)=0$ where $p \in \mathcal{C}(\mathbb(R))$
typo, should be $\mathcal{C}(\mathbb{R})$
12:38
@Secret there it is easy to see that $T$ is invertible
(actually this was also easy to see for polynomials)
but how, unlike matrices, there is nothing like determinants to check whether the map is singular?
(For polynomials, I can easily compute $\det(M_T)$ where $M_T$ is the matrix representation of $T$)
How? It is not represented by a finite matrix
Ok, nvm, my approach might be too weak because I am kinda make use of induction by starting from n=1, and then look at the pattern formed as I increase the size of the matrix n and note how the main diagonal is all zeros
However for $C(\mathbb{R})$ not even such weak approach is possible, therefore I am kinda stuck
 
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@0celo7 Seems your an hour ahead of the best time zone, but at least you're close. ;-)
 
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>Hey folks, anyone care to check that an answer on a question I posted is sound? Thanks. (I need the result in order to answer another question on this site.)
 
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@Lovsovs Check out Constructive Feedback, a mse chatroom.
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@amWhy Thanks, I thought about it, but since it isn't my answer that needed feedback, I thought it wasn't appropriate - but I see that it is, thanks again! :)
 
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@BalarkaSen Are you around?
Yes, but I am very busy.
20:17
@BalarkaSen In your studies of harmonic functions, did you find the precise conditions for the derivative $$\left.\frac{d}{dt}\right|_{t=0}E(f+t\eta,\Omega)$$ of the energy functional $E:W^{1,2}(\Omega)\to\Bbb R$ to exist?
(I think that's the right Sobolev space)
Jost claims it's in Appendix A.1, but I'm unable to find it.
20:45
@0celo7 I don't really know what the energy functional is.
@BalarkaSen Hmm? I thought you read about harmonic functions
I have.
I have never encountered "energy functionals", whatever those are.
Note that I only studied the Dirichlet problem in 2 dimensions - I think that qualifies as basics of harmonic functions.
@BalarkaSen Oh, energy functionals are the basic tool by which one solves the Dirichlet problem
I solved the Dirichlet problem in 2 dimensions without using the energy functional :P
@BalarkaSen Using Fourier series?
20:57
That's one approach.
Other is to derive the Poisson integral formula directly from Cauchy's integral formula.
@BalarkaSen What do you do in 3D or higher?
I don't. But what do you mean by higher dimensional Dirichlet problem?
There was several things one could mean by that.
@BalarkaSen $\Delta u=0$ where $u:\Omega\subset\Bbb R^m\to\Bbb R$ with $m>2$
The most obvious generalization is extending continuous functions on $S^n \subset \Bbb R^{n+1}$ to the ball inside harmonically.
and $u|\partial\Omega=0$
21:01
Fair enough.
I'm currently trying to understand that.
but am getting distracted
I also have a project due tonight I need to work on.
Good luck.
Thanks, I am trying to understand Hodge decomposition
@BalarkaSen So actually, I'm trying to understand $\Delta\omega=\alpha$ for $\alpha\in\Omega^k(M)$, with $M$ a compact Riem. mfld.
Yeah, don't know shit about harmonic analysis on Riemannian manifolds.
Me neither!
Wonder which Spivak covers it.
21:06
Hodge theory is not technically speaking differential geometry.
What is it?
I think it's topology.
It's geometric analysis.
That's like saying Ricci flow is topology
I'm more interested in the methods of the decomposition proof, not the actual result.
Hodge theory existed quite a few decades before geometric analysis did though.
shrug. I think the key theorem is that every de Rham cohomology class has a harmonic representative, the consequences of which I knew are of topological of nature.
But again, I don't know anything about it except being in a Hodge theory lecture and overhearing conversations.
21:09
People doing Hodge theory probably talk at alg. geometry seminars or geometry seminars.
Exactly one harmonic representative @BalarkaSen
@PVAL Again, I'm not interested in Hodge theory...
Hi @PVAL.
I should get back to understanding the Hadamard factorization theorem...
21:51
Hello!!! How can we find the value of $\lambda$ such that $\{ (x,y,z): \lambda x^2+y+2z=\lambda\}$ is a subspace?
Do you mean a linear subspace?
"the" value? if you already know there is only one solution, it should be pretty clear what it is at least
@Evinda Think about what a subspace means.
Recall the definition, say.
@arctictern you mean $\lambda=0$, right?
22:07
Ok, thank you :)
although it's true that $\lambda = 0$ is the only way it can be an affine subspace, if you are looking at vector subspaces a quick way to write down a proof is to note it has to pass through the origin.
@BalarkaSen Every homeomorphism between smooth 3-manifolds can be approximated by a diffeomorphism?
I think so, yes.
Where does one learn about such things
Also, apparently all topological 3-manifolds admit smooth structures.
I know every homeomorphism between smooth 3-manifolds is homotopic to a diffeomorphism. Not sure if you can make that arbitrarily small.
Ok, it's true: see here.
@0celo7 No earthly idea. Mike would know.
22:13
@BalarkaSen I picked up the "official" Ricci flow book when I went by the library earlier to see what kind of background I need. They make these claims on page 1 and give no references
Trust them.
3-manifold world is not that bad. It's after 4 that everything gets weird.
@BalarkaSen Sure, geometric topology isn't my main interest anyhow.
The way I like to think about it is that in dimension 3 you get homotopical anomalies, rather than topological. E.g., there exists a noncompact contractible 3-manifold which is not homeomorphic to R^3.
Do I want to know what that manifold is
I don't know what you want to know. It's called the Whitehead manifold, and not that hard to construct.
22:20
What the heck is a fixed point of a PDE
maybe of the operator?
@arctictern Ah, indeed, thanks.
22:57
hi @BalarkaSen just a quick question want to make sure I am sane. I want to show that H and K are normal subgroups of G such that $H \cap K = \{e\}$
I want to show that $HK \simeq H \times K$
finally
I considered the following map $\phi : HK \rightarrow H \times K$ given by $hk \mapsto (h,k)$
I proved such map is a homomorphism and it is bijective. I don't think I need to show that it is well-defined as well right ? because of $h_1k_1 = h_2k_2$ then $h_1 = h_2$ and $k_1 = k_2$ right ?
so they get mapped to the same thing
@Adeek Isn't that precisely what "well defined" means?
well-defined means that a function is a rule of assignment. This mean that it any element of the domain doesn't get mapped to two different elements.
@Adeek you just showed it's well-defined
Yeah
also, you're not showing H and K are normal and intersect trivially, you're assuming those facts as given
23:05
sorry just making sure I didn't miss any details.
yeah
and "a function is a rule assignment" is not how I'd describe what "well-defined" means
What else is a function if not a rule of assignment?
cartesian product @0celo7
f : A --> B is subset of AxB
but AxB isn't a function in general
@Adeek Which formalizes the notion of "rule of assignment."
I am talking about the phrase "well-defined" rather than the word "function"
23:06
@arctictern I know.
a function is a function if it is well defined
@Adeek ...what?
I wouldn't call that object a function if it is not well defined
For example M = {(a,b1) (a,b2)} isn't a function
Well-defined usually means independent of the representation.
yeah which is the same thing as showing that thing which is subset of cartesian product obeys rule of assignment.
23:50
hi @0celo7
still here ?

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