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@amWhy I think you can reason it as such: The probability of trying three keys and only the third working should be the same as him picking 3 keys, putting the first two back in his pocket without trying them, and then the third one working
The first two choices can in that sense be ignored.
 
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06:15
hehe, typing from train :)
(very hard to write)
user227867
06:36
@Idomathart I think I won't come to chat anymore, take care.
@JasperLoy why not?
Everyone's avatar finally changed.
I created some math in train.
@BalarkaSen Mine still looks different here and in the overview of people in chat.
Hmm, by "here" I mean next to the box for writing messages and on the main site.
06:53
I barely can type now.
Better give up.
07:12
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Q: if $AB=AC=EF,AE=BE,\angle BAC=120^{\circ}$ then find $\angle ABE$

inequalityif $$AB=AC=EF,AE=BE,\angle BAC=120^{\circ},\angle ADB=\angle BEF=90^{\circ}$$ find $\angle ABE$ Following is one methods Let $\angle ABE=a,\angle AFE=\angle DBE=\dfrac{\pi}{6}-a,\angle EAF=\dfrac{\pi}{3}-a$ use sine thereom we have $$\dfrac{\sin{a}}{\sin{(\pi-2a)}}=\dfrac{AE}{AB}=\dfrac{AE}{EF...

Hello,everyone,maybe is not hard
But I hope see some methods to solve this problem
 
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11:48
Hello
I have a non-mathematical question :p
Is someone familiar with amazon?
 
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14:08
Finally back home and able to write things with a real keyboard which is much much better.
(ah, I didn't have a conference - some asked me if I attended some conferences - but I met some important (or if you don't like this adjective, you can replace it by known) mathematicians today imho)
BBL (many non-mathematical things to do now)
@inequality How did you create that diagram? Something seems off about it, but I can't figure out what.
14:37
i take that back, it seems fine. I created a Geogebra version of it (or at least an approximation thereof) and the angle does seem to be 6 degrees
(which i guess leads to a question on my part: how would one give a construction of the desired configuration? I had to adjust things to make the 90-degree angle correct
Can we do a power series geometric expansion of the denominator term? math.stackexchange.com/q/948987/52672
Using the taylor series expansion of $\frac{1}{1-x} = 1 + x + x^2 + x^3 + \space ... $?
probably, but i'm uncertain if its useful. you'd end up with an infinite product of expansions like that
While on that subject, why are there periodic continuous functions that always have some trigonometric functions associated with it? And not otherwise?
You'll have to elaborate on what you mean by that.
Meaning a periodic function always has a sine or a cosine associated with it...
14:51
Well, if you only worry about continuity, that's definitely false.
A triangle wave is continuous and periodic.
I think deostroll has Fourier series in mind.
Perhaps, but that's not what he asked :)
You moreover can rather straightforwardly construct functions which are periodic and have as many smooth derivatives as you want.
So have people thought about expressing that as an infinite product like we can do for sine or cosine?
The infinite product for sine and cosine is very particular to sine and cosine.
Hmm. Probably not for the examples I just said, because they're not that nice.
14:55
More precisely it's particular to their holomorphy. Much stronger than smoothness.
They're a bit artificial.
On the other hand!
The relevant term is Hadamard/Weierstrass factorization.
There are periodic functions which are analytic but aren't trigonometric. Elliptic functions and theta functions are the big examples if memory serves.
The point is sine and cosine have a nice zero set, so admit a factorization like polynomials do.
And I think those may well have some nice product representations. I'd have to check.
14:57
Elliptic functions aren't analytic everywhere as complex functions.
Hmm.
Fair enough.
But sure, you can restrict to an axis on $\Bbb C$ passing through $0$ on which a particular elliptic function is analytic.
That still leaves the theta functions.
Well, yeah.
Them being periodic and analytic near a real axis is easy enough.
I mean, the poles are at the vertices of the translates of the fundamental parallelogram.
Right.
So if you're not careful you'd end up with a pole at zero, for instance, in which case bye-bye analyticity
14:59
That's easy to do.
Easy to avoid, you mean?
Sure. Probably 'careless' would be a better description than 'not careful'
Anyways, regarding infinite products and theta functions:
In mathematics, the Jacobi triple product is the mathematical identity: ∏ m = 1 ∞ ( 1 − x 2 m ) ( 1 + x 2 m − 1 y ...
Namely, see the bit re: writing the Jacobi theta function as an infinite product
15:01
Elliptic functions are holomorphic, so they do admit product expansion over their domain in $\Bbb C$.
Wait. Their domain in $\Bbb C$, or their domain inside the fundamental parallelogram?
The domain of an elliptic function is a subset of $\Bbb C$.
Either you're confused or I am.
I don't know what is there to confuse.
Perhaps I'm just confusing myself, then.
Point 1: Elliptic functions are not holomorphic everywhere in the complex plane. They can't be, since they're also doubly periodic and therefore would be bounded entire functions.
15:06
Holomorphic function by definition is a function complex-differentiable on a subset of $\Bbb C$. The term for holomorphic everywhere in $\Bbb C$ is "entire".
So that's a terminology issue.
Alright. Is your point simply that it is holomorphic away from its poles?
I don't have a point; I just said it's domain of definition is a subset of $\Bbb C$.
And it's periodic modulo translates of a parallelogram minus it's vertices.
Hmm. I guess it just sounded wrong in my ear.
For instance, that'd mean that $f(z)=1/z$ is holomorphic on its domain (which is the complex plane minus the origin).
Which is true, it just sounded wrong in my head.
It is holomorphic on $\Bbb C - 0$.
Right.
Feh, terminology.
15:09
:P
Anyways. Theta functions have product representations, and since elliptic functions can be written as quotients of theta functions you also get product representations for these.
15:31
I have this figure. AB = CB, AC = DC. And I don't know how to prove that angle BAE and angle BCE are equal. Any hint? I have tried a long time and I don't find congruent triangles...
What determines $E$?
the diagram is a bit hard to see
It just says that E $\in$ BD
Ah.
So the angles should be equal regardless of which particular $E$ is chosen.
Yes
Oh, and I forgot to say that the polygon is convex.
hmm
@PichiWuana like this?
i've included the circles to show which distances are the same
should probably have removed all those labels, woops
15:46
Yes, like that
Okay. In that case, though, something is fishy because the two angles aren't the same
The degrees are listed on the diagram
How can you determine that?
Geogebra (what I used to create the diagram) has an option to measure angles
So to the extent that I trust Geogebra, the angles are different
Back later
That's so weird
16:19
Hello quid!
16:47
Anyone here good with combinatorics?
@Semiclassical Thank you anyway!
@Clarinetist i can assist as far my knowledge can
question ?
17:56
hi chat
18:09
@Idomathart take a look coffee.stackexchange.com/a/2825/3108
signed up just to upvote this
:D
@Agawa001 lol :-)
@Agawa001 Then sex.stackexchange.com should be next and what not.
doesnt interest me, although it is on the list
i forgot who began comitting it
are we in september ?
@Agawa001 Yeap
that explains
@Agawa001 It was a great year for my research so far, although there were also tons of negative points, I could have started (some serious) work on a second book ...
18:19
nice, me i didnt even wrap up my software
@Agawa001 I'm angry because all that depends on me is always finished on time, and the delay is simply crazy large.
pfff, almost unreal ...
@Idomathart because people dont pay "an exteme hard work" fo othe people's fortune
my keyboard has declared
@Agawa001 hehe, perhaps.
they just dont care until you give it a push in
well it must be fair since i always say, each moment is an agony, no minute is worth to be wasted/delayed
18:27
in other terms you should persue your oeuvre until the end, from the outer door to the customer's hand
:-) I'm busy enough with my research ...
i hate when one's fate fell as a prey in other careless people's hands, i relied on people once and they made me suffer 3 years, because they simply didnt care about my diploma, they delayed , and delayed, and delayed more i insisted it was fruitless
@Agawa001 I know your point. I like when I go out and talk to my dogs, I feel they understand me better than anyone. They are really smart! They staring at me as if every single word would be understood in the deepest details. :-)
@Agawa001 Take a pet and you'll feel much better, no matter the experiences you mentioned above.
I'm out to see what they are doing.
brb
hehe, just playing around with the puppies.
18:45
no, wrong plan
i know my stuff, i feel released facing my computer
last night I dreamt about a weird metric where there is some topology, and the distance function is defined by the trace of some positive trace matrix A, where each pair of points in the topology has a unique A assigned to it
dogs arent good choice for human partnership, they require much grass meat and sometimes they are virulent
@Agawa001 any sacrifice for the true friends. Dogs are real friends to you till the end.
kittens much better
@Agawa001 It might be another option, but I prefer dogs.
@Agawa001 by the way, I do my best they have an amazingly cool life, not just throwing them some food.
Anyway.
18:53
you said you have poodles right ?
@Agawa001 no, just mixed breed.
@Agawa001 Usually when talking about dogs some expect me to tell them I have some famous breed, but no, I love these ones, no need for famous breed, and I wouldn't give them for anything in the world.
which crossbreed ?
half what half what
@Agawa001 I couldn't tell it. Crossbreed of crossbreed of crossbreed ...
k'
i ever wanted to own a tibetan mastiff
dont google you may got nightmares
19:02
i prefer this
@Agawa001 hahaha, awesome!!! :-)))
Looks like a cross between a bear and a wolf
lol, yeah
Or maybe it is just an ordinary werewolf
Looks like Beorn.
19:04
an orc
from a first look, you cant tell it is a caninoid gender
i just wonder how could these ceatures be domesticated by tibetan monks
some of them use them to protect their temples
19:23
@Idomathart this polar bear reminds me of ..... what about earning a husky
they are intelligent species
you know huskies can mind a path from a first walk ?
they look wolfish but not harful
@Agawa001 How long that path could be?
dunno but they are mindful
and what is surprising
if you lock them up they dig undersoil for their rescue
19:52
By the way, in the meantime I've just created a marvellous question that I bet could be published everywhere without any difficulty.
Again, it's related to the Catalan constant. Not even mentioning that I also derived in a different way one of the identities Ramanujan derived, again related to Catalan constant.
It's cool to have a pack with such questions, you don't see them everywhere.
What journals publish questions?
@TobiasKildetoft how many problems did you create so far? How many ideas did you promote in the mathematical community that could revolutionize your math area? No one? Hope I'm wrong.
@Idomathart I am fairly certain I have said many times that I don't create problems. Most mathematicians don't
@Idomathart WOW!
@TobiasKildetoft People that only read me now think that I'm tough, but they don't know you what kind of hater you are.
20:07
@Idomathart Give it a rest
I just asked a genuine question about which journals publish questions (as opposed to answers as most journals publish)
@Idomathart Literally a brag.
So much for you not bragging.
@0celo7 It's not bragging, I do it every day. It's a lifestyle to create such stuff every day.
You brag every day?
Being true does not make it any less of a brag
20:09
@TobiasKildetoft your questions are most of the time bad-intentioned, saying that from experience, nothing constructive.
sigh
You're sooooo defensive
@0celo7 why don't you better ask Balarka to teach you some more math you're interested in instead of showing how child you're now?
This used to be entertaining
@0celo7 I got you don't like hard integrals. I understood that. Now you can do something for your math better than continuing this nonsense conversation.
@0celo7 my humble opinion
My questions probably started out well-intentioned. But given that I never get any answers, it is true that I am starting to suspect that they do not have any good answers
20:13
@TobiasKildetoft Well-put.
Probably? Just probably? That's funny.
Well, it is hard to recall since my original questions to you on subjects like this were so long ago now.
@TobiasKildetoft You ought to learn to calculate an elementary integral before ask me anything. The same for @0celo7.
Why?
That seems like the weirdest requirement for asking a question ever.
Yeah.
Why must everyone know how to calculate integrals?
20:18
@TobiasKildetoft You express opinions about my math without knowing to calculate an elementary integals, that's the real wierd part.
I have so far in this particular conversation expressed no opinion about your math
@TobiasKildetoft You starred Juan when he said that what I do is trivial, that his student are able to finish all I do in 2, 3 days (or approved him in some way - I remember that).
Do you also ask people on the street who ask you for directions to solve integrals?
I have not starred anything for a very long time
@TobiasKildetoft This is my problem, don't you think? I approach my math the way I want, and yeah, I could ask people on the street to calculate some integrals.
Why not?
I don't recall interacting with Juan at all. For what it is worth, I do not agree at all that your problems are easy. I just do not find them interesting (and you seem unwilling to give any motivation for them).
20:22
They might find it pretty entertaining!
The average person does not find integrals entertaining.
Neither does the average mathematician.
@0celo7 It's actually very entertaining!
to you
@TobiasKildetoft Not sure you were here when I answered to @0celo7 to this question.
20:26
@TobiasKildetoft The anwer is in The Man Who Knew Infinity.
@TobiasKildetoft Hardy to Ramanujan: What they (referring to Euler and Jacobi) had in common, what I see in you, is a love of form. It's all through your notebooks. Let me ask you something. Why do you do it, any of this? Ramanujan to Hardy: Because I have to. I see it. Hardy to Ramanujan: Like Euler. Form for its own sake. An art unto itself.
Very useful thing that, you should all learn how to.
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@DanielFischer getting in skirmish sometimes is a daily custom to fuel this chatoom as a natural reaction for boedom when nothing is curent here apart the closed circle of : topology -> abstact algebra -> topology ...
well i m not either a supporter
I have to admit that @DanielFischer is right. Some might be sick and tired by all these discussions. You can ignore me since you usually open these discussions, and all will be fine for all.
this chat is so geometry-less
quite sad
@0celo7 The same MSE, the main.
20:37
i would love to see some binary twiddling and recursivity
@Agawa001 Also there are less inequalities on site, it's a weak point. Just as I do integrals and series, there are lots of mathematicians that are specialized on doing inequalities. Actually they create and solve inequalities all day long. You can find them on internet.
(bad habit of copy/paste of my writing)
21:01
@Idomathart i can hadly resist the drowsiness weighing on my eyelids
@Agawa001 lol, and I just started to write a proof that I suspect it will take me an hour or so to nicely arrange, and it's a bit later. Maybe a coffee might help?
coffee is my eternal compagnon
but the force of sleepiness is lethal
@Agawa001 don't forget then to check your calcium level once in a while, it might deplete your calcium resources on long term.
i checked time, im tooooo much late for the appointment i should finish my project in
21:05
calcium/and whatever organic is second in priority
ok i should be further inclined and less distracted, have a good night, and a white not good night fo me
@Agawa001 later
21:42
otherwise it can cause poor sleep
@Agawa001 Drink as much caffeine as you like, as long as you stop 6 hours before sleeping
so if you sleep at midnight, stop by 6pm

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