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@Skullpatrol "don't" and "against" are the only negative words in my last statement.
Can someone confirm whether this is a good citation for this this article? Sorry for nagging.. :)
@Srivatsan Seems fine to me. Perhaps you can add doi, too: dx.doi.org/10.2991/jnmp.2005.12.s1.28
In a bibliography you’d normally have Gomez-Ullate, David.
@BrianMScott Ah right.
Let me check what people write in more informal contexts (like in the main site).
22:02
@robjohn Agreed ... but two negatives make a positive ... right?
I’ve seen different conventions for the second author’s name. What you have is fine informally, at least as far as I’m concerned.
@Skullpatrol Here is QED's profile. It is gone.
@robjohn But how did you locate this link?
I am sad to find that the proof does not end with a QED.
That pun was too terrible to be seen by human eye.
There is no such pun.
22:04
@Srivatsan Me to ...
@BrianMScott Which is consistent with the removed message ;-)
Yes, I am with Brian on this. On the other hand, it's perfectly possible that humans are too terrible to see that pun.
@AsafKaragila True, more’s the pity.
@Srivatsan I clicked the link I provided above, clicked on QED and got the chat profile which has a link to the main profile.
@robjohn That's quite some effort. :=)
22:06
@Srivatsan Just a few clicks. It's more effort to describe it than do it :-)
Some mathematics is like that, too.
@robjohn Thanks for tracking down QED's account Rob.
@BrianMScott Indeed!
@BrianMScott Yes. For instance, it's especially hard to answer (sincere) queries like: "How did you think of using that identity for factorising $x^2 - 4$?"
22:09
:-)
It would be kind of mean to say, ‘I hadn’t quite fallen asleep yet.’
@BrianMScott :-D
@robjohn I hope I didn't offend you with my " two negatives make a positive" remark... that was not my intention ;-)
@Skullpatrol I will flag it just the same! :-p
@robjohn LOL
@Asaf I guess \class{deleted} is supported in MathJax.
22:12
What is this?
@robjohn I can't get it to work, though.
What the... does Wikipedia look any different to any of you?
@anon It looks the same. The banner is gone, but that's not what you mean, dya?
@anon No. Did you recently lose your eyesight?
Hmm, lemme try another browser
22:14
(Don't think I thanked everyone for feedback on the citation thing. Thanks!)
It's showing up completely white and minimalist in FF but not Chrome. Odd.
@anon I'm not seeing any differences. Which page?
@anon Identical in FF and chrome.
@AsafKaragila what is it supposed to do?
@robjohn I don't know. The documentation just says it's exists and non-standard. I'm not sure what the result is/should be/would be/will be.
22:24
:3134006 I didn't think there was a reason to. balpha removed and left saying that it would be good to have.
I had thought for sure that I had actually used that feature of the chat profiles. balpha says it was never there. \o/?
@robjohn Ok fine. I thought the mod had a query, and I was wondering why you didn't reply. On rereading the question, I realised what you just said.
@Srivatsan There, I asked balpha a question :-)
=)
(Mariano's comment to a poster) "if that is the case, please make it explicit in the question. Explain what you have tried, how you have handled the previous parts, &c: show that you have actually done your homework." -- What does &c mean?
Etcetera.
@Srivatsan et cetera
22:30
If someone mentions the unabbreviated form, I can google for it.
It’s a long form of &. Specifically, the ampersand is a stylized et, and et cetera was abbreviated to &c = et c.
This happens too often: You're reading paper X and notice it has a reference to paper Y, and it looks interesting so you google paper Y and every single search result is for X.
@anon You mean you're finding the reference to Y in X?
How about MathSciNet? 8-).
Yes.
22:31
@anon That is annoying. That happens to me, too.
@robjohn et=and, it looks like and I recognise this from other contexts as well. Does cetera mean "others"?
@Srivatsan the rest, I believe
The others, the remaining (ones), the rest.
@BrianMScott Sure, thanks. But I haven't seen anyone other than Mariano writing &c for etc. Am I misremembering or is this form actually uncommon?
@Srivatsan It means "more of the same kind."
22:34
@Srivatsan I see it a lot. You just aren't looking in the right places :-p
@Skullpatrol Ah, that fits even better, thanks.
@Srivatsan np
It may be that it’s more common in Mariano’s neck of the woods.
@robjohn I see. =) I will be on the lookout. But of course, you can never be proven wrong...
@Srivatsan Here is an article from the english group.
22:36
@robjohn Nah, I don't trust their writing. =)
@Srivatsan :-p
I was kidding, obviously. Thanks for the link.
@Srivatsan I only stick my tongue out in jest as well :-)
Otherwise a swift upper-cut would take my tongue off :-(
@BrianMScott Here is an example: 1, 2, 3, 4, ... the three dots mean "more of the same kind" or &c
That group is a real mixed bag. I hung out there for a while and wasn’t impressed, though a few of the folks are quite knowledgeable.
22:40
Apparently, people used to end letters with: "Yours, &c." expecting that the addressee could fill out the rest for themselves. Doesn't sound too much of a respect to me. ("Ah, you can fill it up yourself.")
And here I thought that &c was simply a reference to the address of the variable c.
But everyone knows that $c$ is a constant!
@BrianMScott does that mean it doesn't have an address?
@robjohn That makes sense because the quoted letter is sent by a Darcy to a Catherine. I assume "c" is just a shortening of her name. =)
It goes too fast to have a fixed address.
22:44
@Srivatsan question answered!
Ah, this would have worked better if C. sent the letter. Oh well.
("Sent from the address of Catherine.")
@Srivatsan It is a notation for the postal carrier as to where the note should be delivered.
knowing that the carrier will be reading the mail
:3134391 Yeah. I have to get back to the work I've been needing to get to all day.
@robjohn Bye Rob.
@robjohn You made me lol in my office. (Damn those office mates. They are actually... working.)
22:47
How subversive of them!
Who the hell does that?
@Srivatsan If only I could get my boss to have a positive reaction, too...
@anon With a user name like "Falcon" ... some trolls have wings.
Hi guys.
@J.M. ! Long time no see mate. I'm in a more compatible timezone again.
Or maybe you just aren't around anymore, who knows.
22:52
Long time indeed; I was away from math.SE a few days. :)
@JM Hi J. M.
I'm told that there was lots of... uhurm, activity, while I was gone...
@JM You should've checked meta, right? :) Bill is suspended for a month - old news now.
Well, apart from meta... I was thinking about chat room activity.
@JM " uhurm, activity" indeed
22:56
@Srivatsan Ah, boy. Nasty...
@JM Really!? The chatroom is silent most of the time. You and tb are to blame. =)
There was something about making Big B wear rob's meansquare avatar or somesuch, too.
Brian is a nice addition though.
Thankee, kind sir.
@JM: you've returned to us! :-)
22:57
Hey @Brian! This is the first time I've seen you here!
I started popping in while you were away, I think.
@robjohn Don't celebrate it. =) Are you here to stay, JM? =)
@anon that was a misread joke on my part. He will be mean square-free
@robjohn Yeah, I was helping this site get off the ground. You should take a look. :)
@Srivatsan Oh yeah. Big-time. :)
@JM Oh, it finally made it here! That's good.
22:58
Wait, I see it now. t.b. has also been off?
@JM QED deleted his account.
after all the meta posts about it
Quiet indeed. :D
@JM yeah he is taking some time for RL it seems.
Theo hasn’t been around for quite a while.
22:59
@JM You didn't know? I assumed you guys had timed your departure to be synchronised. =)
@JM You can read his last post
Actually I didn't. You didn't see the flash of shock and surprise? :)
@JM Maybe sarcasm? :D
@Srivatsan You beat me to it.
@JM What's with your cheesy outfit?
23:02
@Srivatsan macaroni and cheesy :-)
Cheesy Helix
@robjohn I was going for gold, but Cheez Whiz works too. :D
Cheelix
@Srivatsan Excellent!
@Srivatsan I think I now have a name for my sculpture... thanks!
@JM: you are now the Cheelix :-)
23:04
Isn't helix pronounced heelix, and not like hey-lix? That makes it even better.
Yes, it is.
@Srivatsan The first one, yes. So, you have invented a good name.
Sounds like a Pokemon hybrid of Steelix and the Cheetos Tiger.
@JM: psublime psychopath
@anon That sounds both awesome and horrible... :D
23:05
@JM I don't know why, but I had always heard it as heh-lix (where the heh part is short) in India.
On the other hand, I say "hee-liks", but I say "heh-lical".
@Srivatsan Where about's in India?
@Skullpatrol Sorry, are you asking where I am from?
@JM That is what the dictionary says.
A good thing Webster agrees with me. :)
I hereby pronounce (no pun intended) "heh-lix" to be an Indian English pronunciation. To call it incorrect would be deemed racist. =)
23:08
@Srivatsan No, different parts have different pronunciations.
The southern part of the country. Not sure how much it matters (for this particular word).
It's a poor thing that all these people have left. Luckily you still have me 8-).
@Srivatsan The north is more influenced by the British pronunciations... correct?
BTW Jonas: how's the special functions work coming?
I still didn't quite figure out how to solve the polynomials using $\theta$-functions. But I didn't get up to that point yet since I still need to verify the polynomial.
23:11
@Skullpatrol No, I don't see why that would be true. All of us learnt English from the British. The whole country was under their domination.
It is no problem if the equations are horrendous :).
@JonasTeuwen Ah, the assembly is slightly tricky. But you've already read through Umemura, right?
Basically everything after the depression is tricky. :D
@Srivatsan The whole world learned English from the English... correct?
Literally maybe. But I didn't mean it that way. All this happened after America was firmly established.
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@JM: I apologize, but I have to get back to work. I hope we will see more of you now that the Mma room has gotten started.
23:14
@robjohn Aw. See you later, then.
@JM Umemura? I only have Temme, Carlson and Andrews.
@JonasTeuwen I mean, you were talking about how to use theta functions to solve polynomials, right? I remember pointing you to Umemura's paper. You said the book that had it hasn't been transferred to Delft's main library.
Right. No, I didn't read that because I couldn't get it.
(It's buried deep in the transcript I think. :D )
Or maybe, but we have an effective tool to dig it up precisely. However one wants to look at it.
23:17
But anyway Jonas: I though you were doing Ornstein-Uhlenbeck all over again? :)
@Srivatsan Hah, yes.
@Srivatsan I hope I didn't offend you with my remarks.
@Skullpatrol No offense taken. Why would I be offended?
@JM Yes. I do Ornstein-Uhlenbeck too.
@JM Victory! Umemura is now available!
@Srivatsan Some people are over-sensitive here...
I will get it tomorrow by internal mail.
23:19
Great!
@JM I was thinking of leaving a comment to you somewhere with a Weird Al reference... ;-)
That BD meta thread is hella heated...
@Skullpatrol Not sure who you have in mind. But ok. I wasn't offended.
@AsafKaragila ...and there's the guy whose absence made things slightly quieter for me. But yeah, glad to see you!
Hi. I have a question but not quite sure how to formulate it...
I have many of those.
@Srivatsan For example the opposite gender time is money "proof"
I've got a lot of questions I could probably answer myself if I just knew how to formulate them properly...
@Skullpatrol Sure. I don't see the point in harping on this reference since I don't even know what you're talking about.
So, if you've got a product that has to be stored below 25°C and not in the fridge. How do you store it when it is 30°C?
23:22
@JM Or if you assume that $0=1$, contradiction is often useful when trying to answer all the questions.
Argh, the schedule-making-lady wrote my name as "Teuven".
@Srivatsan Lest we not forget poor QED :(
Does it make sense to ask if well-ordering theorem 'break down' in relativistic space time? (will give motivation if reqd.)
@JonasTeuwen You should legally change your name, then.
@ZeeshanMahmud No.
@AsafKaragila But, but... I don't want to fly...
23:24
That would be an option, I'm doing it the hard way and have send her an e-mail to change it.
@JonasTeuwen Precisely what product is this?
:3135036 Augh, that definitely should be in the fridge.
It is not 30°C yet, but it will be in the summer.
Isn't there a nearby fridge?
Sure there is. By the way, I think the Devil himself made this product 8-).
23:26
@AsafKaragila Reminds me... you'll love this.
@JM Hah!
@JonasTeuwen You mean the Devil went inside the good doctor when he was inventing that stuff? :D
When he added the side-effects, yes.
Well, that's the problem with those things... shows how little we still know about the body.
Awesomest quote of the day: When is the last time you wrote a haiku, asshole?
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23:29
Even a well-designed gun can still be capable of collateral damage.
True.
@AsafKaragila Yes. Too bad Maddox's style doesn't really improve over the years.
True, but still. Kickass rant.
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The abrasiveness is a bit offputting in places, but the guy speaks mostly truth.
Sharing that link on fb
jeez guys, lighten with the flags :)
23:33
I took care of 'em, @yoda. ;P
Well, Asaf is the king...
Hah, someone flagged that?
Well, Asaf is the king
Can't take a gag...
shrug
Should I add a chat rule that the language can get NC-17 sometimes?
23:35
@AsafKaragila Going back to my q, what about the fact the distributive law fail in quantum logic- does it have any bearing on well-ordering principle?
Distributive law?
@AsafKaragila But you should still sound like a mathematician, not a starved trucker. ;)
@AsafKaragila flaggers gonna flag... regardless of chat rules. Two of your posts were flagged... I think people just need to lighten and not flag everything just for containing one word, which isn't even offensive in its current context...
You should be aware, even though I am a set theorist, which generally classifies me as a logician, I know nothing about the name of the rules. I just have a list of axioms of FOL (or other system I use often, which is usually just FOL) and I use them.
oh wait... the last time I suggested lightening up didn't go well..
23:38
@yoda Did you know QED deleted his account after you insulted him Yoda?
@yoda I have an idea who flagged those. If room owners were actually owners of the room... maybe I could have dealt with it better.
@Skullpatrol yes, I'm aware he had his accounts deleted. He had other issues that were evident in that MSO post, which you probably aren't aware of and probably cannot read since it's deleted. In any case, it wasn't an insult, and people shouldn't be on the internet if they have skins thinner than a soap bubble...
I think that people on the internet should be limited to 4chan's /b/ for the first two weeks of their virtual presence.
@AsafKaragila probably not. AFAIK even moderators cannot cancel flags against their own posts. It requires another moderator to do that (although, this doesn't apply to the main site)
@AsafKaragila So mean, dude.
23:41
This will develop skin so thick...
@yoda Of course, but I suppose you can limit someone's entry to the room?
Is it true rhino's skin are bullet proof?
@ZeeshanMahmud Tell that to all the rhinos that were hunted down using guns. I know that not too long ago someone killed an elephant with a longbow.
@AsafKaragila no, you can't. Sure, you can ban someone, but that would be only for serious offenses and it blocks them from the entire chat system. The alternate route would be to make a room "gallery mode" and then you have a set of whitelisted users who can talk
users with 1000 rep can create "gallery" rooms
@yoda Wow... so the system is designed horribly.
Perhaps won't go down too well if you made this primary room a gallery room, but you're always free to create a new room and only allow specific users there
23:44
Obviously, which is why I don't bother with actually doing that to the main room.
@yoda All I know is that we have lost an excellent contributor to this chat room sir.
@AsafKaragila if someone is personally annoying, but not really a nuisance in the room, then you can ignore that user, which blocks all their messages from being displayed to you
@yoda Yes, I do that. It's not enough, though... :-)
@yoda All I know is that we have lost an excellent contributor to this chat room sir, and I would like it to be made known that you played a major role in insulting QED enough for him to delete his account.
@Skullpatrol you're welcome to believe what you wish, but I stand by what I said earlier today – that you probably haven't seen the MSO post in its entirety, so should refrain from talking about it as will I.
23:54
people shouldn't be on the internet if they have skins thinner than a soap bubble...
Why are some peoples names in blue here? :-)
@JonasTeuwen It's the police. They are going to preform and sing Roxanne now.
@JonasTeuwen Because they are moderators on chat.
23:57
@AsafKaragila only if we're doing the drinking version =)
oh, it was in meta maths? Nevermind then
@yoda There's a non-drinking version????
... he said with a look of horror.
Oh, we also get flags from here! :/

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