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14:01
@BalarkaSen I think my notes definition is ambiguous for me, or maybe I am not ambitious enough
I have to go now, but maybe you can post your confusion here. Other people would be able to help you.
I think understand the way it's meant to be defined, at least
but not how to show the nullspace is a vectorpsace
oh, because it's a linear operator
14:26
For 11, $\Bbb 1_{H_*(A)}=(r\imath)_*=r_*\imath_*$
What was the grown-up name for matrices $E_{ij}$ with $1$ in the $ij$th slot and $0$ otherwise?
@AkivaWeinberger So $\imath$ is injective
@AkivaWeinberger Yep, peasy. Now let's say $(X, A)$ is a pair of topological spaces, with $r : X \to A$ being a retract. Note that the LES becomes a SES $0 \to H_n(A) \to H_n(X) \to H_n(X, A) \to 0$.
This is a useful tool. E.g., you can prove that $D^n$ doesn't retract onto it's boundary using this.
So you know how to prove the Brouwer fixed point theorem in arbitrary dimensions now.
(by SES I meant split exact sequence there, not just short. So $H_n(X) \cong H_n(A) \oplus H_n(X, A)$).
14:42
@BalarkaSen Thank you again, I must prepare for classes
No problem.
my exam is this evening (it is morning)
Good luck!
thanks
man I feel so edgy doing my assignment in Latex
weird
Morning, @MikeMiller.
Is this what people keep referring to as "Baby Rudin"?
[looks it up] Yup.
Apparently this is the book to use to learn analysis, judging by all of the references to it on SE.
15:18
whatever fills your moat, buddy
oh, upgrade
@MikeMiller That doesn't even rhyme.
morning chat
hi @SemiC
@MikeMiller i figured out where i was confused on an elementary point re: symplectic manifolds, and i'm torn between being glad i finally know better and being annouyed at how silly i was being.
15:26
the latter never gets me anywhere
yeah. more the former than the latter, thankfully
the silliness was that i somehow had got it into my head that expressions like $X_F$ for vector fields had some meaning besides that of "vector field dual to dF"
which is to say, that $X_F$ has any meaning whatsoever prior to saying "Hey, i'm on a symplectic manifold"
which meant in particular i kept trying to write $X_q$ on the symplectic manifold $(q,p)\in\mathbb{R}^2$ as $X_q=\partial_q$, and getting confused at how the right version seemed to know about $\omega=dq\wedge dp$
ugh
the right version is actually $X_q=\partial_p$, yeah?
need to think for a moment if it's $-\partial_p$, but i think so
15:42
meh, signs
yeah, i know
for my own sanity i'd want to pick things so that by convention $X_H(q)=\dot{q} =\partial_p H$ as per Hamilton's equations
which i think would mean $X_q = -\partial_p$?
I can actually compute complicated integrals now. Cool.
yeah I had the signs backwards.
are we forbidden from using slangs in this chat?
probably not
15:53
YES YOU MUST BE ABSOLUTELY FORMAL AT ALL TIMES SAYETH THE NON-EXISTENT LORDS OF CHAT
Also we use all caps in here now I think
YES ABSOLUTELY
@Semiclassical sure bro. we do formal real good.
SARCASM DETECTED.
well, on the brighter note, I used brospeech, not leetspeak.
15:57
(I'd keep this up, but i'm running out of steam)
Yes, we be speaking formal in this here chat
16:13
Onto more theoretical problems, i.e., wacky situations involving integrals.
16:23
Hi @TedShifrin.
hi @Balarka
I guess @MikeM is back to the grindstone.
I'm trying to find a function on a rectangle at least one of which's iterated integral makes sense but which is not Riemann inegrable.
Ah, good. One of my standard things in lecture is to do all $2^3$ possibilities.
I want to do this by making set of discontinuities very wacky, but I am unsure how to do this. I'll keep thinking.
@TedShifrin Oh, really? I haven't seen that lecture, but that's what I have been trying to do.
Well, you can actually find it either in the book or in the exercises, but you should think.
16:28
To make a list of all the horrible situations that can happen, I mean.
Greetings, @MikeM
Is it just me, or is everything suddenly 3D?
On a different note, I can compute things. This stuff is good, not at all tedious.
I want to read the proof polar coordinates though, so I think I'll skip physical applications and read the change of variables theorem and then come back later.
I don't know why you thought it was tedious before, @Balarka ... You're so used to visualizing things that it should be good for you.
The change of variables proof is somewhat tedious. But it's a proof that most people never see/do, ever.
Huh? @Henning :)
@TedShifrin Well, the symbols are intimidating. But, as you said, one's just really translating the picture into formulas.
16:33
Well, have fun, Balarka. :)
@TedShifrin In my SE network inbox, all of the site icons are suddenly "3D".
instead of the actual site icons.
Oh, it actually says 3D. I hadn't noticed.
Early April fools?
Yeah, me too.
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16:36
Oh no ... April Fools soon upon us. Safely back from Bezerkley, @MikeM?
Yeah.
@TedShifrin I should have been yesterday, but didn't do any actual work. Mostly set up a new computer.
exciting
Today I need to work. :P
Class in 20 minutes...
Have fun. Say hi to J.
... and now it seems that all question pages are down.
16:39
Why, cuz he won't respond to your messages on his own? :)
LOL, @MikeM. Evil. :P
I haven't messaged of late. Just being nice (I know ... unlike me — and unlike you).
Is Balarka doing integrals now?
Apparently thinking about them, if not doing them.
All this stuff about when integrals exist...
I have been doing integrals for 2 days.
16:41
OK, I'm outta here for now. Have to play tour guide some more with a friend who's visiting.
Balarka seems to waste more energy protesting and then discovers he likes learning. Who knew ...
Wow, the whole site is down.
too much of 3d
well, I can see the main page with questions. Just can't get into individual question pages.
OK, bubye. Make trouble without me.
I see no exciting questions today. Guess it really is time to work.
Do we know anyone studying in Bonn?
16:50
@BalarkaSen About the cyclic dunce cap… That can't be embedded in $\Bbb R^3$, can it? But for some reason I got it in my head that it could be embedded in $S^1\times S^2$, but whether that's actually true remains to be seen
I don't think so, @AkivaWeinberger.
@AkivaWeinberger: What's the cyclic dunce cap? Identifying all edges cyclically?
Yeah.
Draw a triangle, orient all edges counterclockwise, and identify them.
I don't even know how to deal with the case that I've identified one pair of edges cyclically
Sorry, got confused
@MikeMiller You get a Möbius band. Consider an isosceles triangle with a very small height, and identify the shorter sides
I doubt it can be embedded in $S^1 \times S^2$.
16:54
sure. so what remains to do is to attach the boundary circle to the arc.
@MikeMiller It's just disc attached to circle with degree 3 map
That helps me less than Akiva's picture, to be honest.
I am not sure why. Those are equivalent pictures. And I am not sure how to think of identifying all 3 edges by doing a pair first and then doing the other.
Because I can actually see the goal of taking the Mobius band and this arc and finding a disc whose boundary is that, more or less.
I cannot see your picture.
I am not sure what the goal is though - the Mobius band picture seems harder to me. But I guess that doesn't matter.
16:59
I don't know how to prove that something isn't embeddable in $\Bbb R^3$. Or $S^1\times S^2$, for that matter. I suspect it has something to do with Euler characteristic (like proving that certain graphs are nonplanar).
You normally use Alexander duality or some such.
For embedding in spheres.
I am yet to learn that
Homology would be a good start.
As in, compute the homology of this space?
no learning it
17:01
No, as in learn homology, then cohomology, then alexander duality.
Consider the union of line segments going from the center of the triangle to each vertex.
Quotienting the triangle by this space gives the wedge of three disks.
Identifying the edges of this gives us a sphere plus a disk bounded by the equator, right?
If only there were a way to un-quotient that space.
@BalarkaSen can I ask you a question related to algebra?
@Paradox I don't know algebra, sorry.
17:09
Oh ok.
Ask it away; someone will see it and answer it.
@AkivaWeinberger Why do you want to embed it into $S^1 \times S^2$?
I mean it's doing us no harm. Let it be.
:P
If $[G:S]=n$ then we have to prove that $<g^n> \in S$. If I say that $[G:S]=n$ implies that $g^{|S|n}=e$ and hence $<g^n>$ is a generator such that it belongs in $S$ would that be correct?
$\langle g \rangle$ -> $\langle g\rangle$
Wait, what's $(S^2\times S^1)/S^1$?
Depends on the $S^1$ you quotient by.
i assume you mean you're collapsing $\{*\} \times S^1$ for some point in $S^2$
17:14
The one in the product. $\{a\}\times S^1$ where $a\in S^2$
It's suspension on $S^2$ modulo the cone points, I think.
*suspension.
So $S^3 \vee S^1$ upto homotopy equivalence.
How do you figure
Look at $S^1 \times S^1$ modulo one meridian.
I can prove that your triple dunce cap doesn't embed in any manifold whose homology doesn't surject onto $\Bbb Z/3$. I can prove it doesn't admit a non-pathological embedding into $S^2 \times S^1$.
It probably also doesn't admit a pathological embedding but that's harder for me to see.
Sorry, any oriented closed 3-manifold*.
The 1st homology of $S^2 \times S^1$ does surject onto $\Bbb Z/3$ though, so I suspect those two statements are unrelated?
Ok. Interesting. Can you give a sketch of how you proved it?
17:22
Alexander duality.
I am not familiar with how to make Alexander duality work for things other than spheres.
Replace the complement with $H_*(M,M\semtinus X)$.
Works for arbitrary closed oriented manifold.
After computing the homology of the complex my first statement is a near triviality in the presence of Alexander duality. There's some more work in the second (hence a demand about non-pathological)
@MikeMiller Interesting.
@MikeMiller how do I use class equation for the group $G$, $|G|=mn$, the normal subgroup $N$ is such that $|N|=m$. And $m,n$ are relatively prime?
17:57
We have $\langle \widehat{x}, \phi \rangle= \langle x, \widehat{\phi} \rangle$
How do we continue? Do we now use the definition of the fourier transform?
@Evinda try it!
@robjohn It is equal to $\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} x e^{-i \xi x} \hat{\phi}(x) d \xi$. But does this help?
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18:15
@Evinda what is equal to that?
@Evinda That is $x\hat{\phi}(x)\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}e^{-ix\xi}\,\mathrm{d}\xi$
The cyclic dunce cap is embeddable in $(S^1\times S^2)/S^1$.
@BalarkaSen @MikeMiller
What's your embedding?
And there's another space $A$ and a subset homeomorphic to $S^1$ such that $A$ is embeddable in $S^1\times S^2$ and $A/S^1$ is the dunce cap
Oh yes, right.... $\langle x, \widehat{\phi} \rangle$ is equal to $\int x \widehat{\phi}(x)dx$, right? How could we continue?
Um, $A$ is (the rectangular faces of) a triangular prism, with the top edges and the bottom edges each identified cyclically.
Quotient it out by the top edges (or, rather, edge) and you get our dunce cap.
So all you need to do is find an embedding of that into $S^1\times S^2$.
18:24
So you just took two copies of dunce cap, punctured the 2-cells and drilled a hole through them to get a sort of connected sum, yes?
When you mean triangular prism you really mean the union of it's faces then, right?
Ah, you mentioned that. OK.
You can find an embedding of that into $S^1\times S^2$ by cutting and pasting stuff
But I got to go
There's a (literal) twist
I won't pretend I can see what your embedding is.
what maps to the weird point?
18:35
Hi @Mike @Balarka @Akiva
Hi @PVAL
Are you a candidate yet
Hi @PVAL
Hopefully by the end of next monday.
@MikeMiller The alternative proof mentioned in the Mark-Tosun paper doesn't seem to work by the way :/
Sorry to hear that...
19:00
Hi guys
@MikeMiller The weird point being $S^1/S^1\subset(S^1\times S^2)/S^1$?
The top edge(s) of the prism, after it gets quotiented out. In terms of the dunce cap, this is the point in the center of the triangle
…You know, it occurs to me that I didn't need to identify the top edges together if I was going to just quotient them out anyway.
I asked a question that probably Cannot be answered
Usually when one practices something you become better at what you are doing. My development at this forum is quite the opposite. I used to ask well received questions. Now my questions are so bad that they get closed.
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19:13
@AkivaWeinberger If you can just embed the prism the bottom of which is the cap and the top is just plain vanilla triangle inside $S^1 \times S^2$, why can't I glue an interior of the triangle on the top after it embeds to get an embedding of the cap inside $S^1 \times S^2$ (which, as Mike said, is not possible)? That seems wrong.
It intersects itself
That triangle becomes a nontrivial loop
Interesting.
Three times the generator of $\pi_1(S^1\times S^2)$, I think.
So I can only assume that trying to fill that in with a disk intersects itself
Actually, no - it won't fit in the space at all. Right?
You're trying to embed, so how can the image self intersect?
You can't fill it in preserving the homeomorphism type.
There is no embedding into $S^1\times S^2$. That's what Mike said. I get around it by quotienting down the triangle.
I think I can elaborate on the embedding later, but I need to go now.
19:21
@AkivaWeinberger That's fine, I was just skeptic about what happens when you embed the mapping cylinder of the degree 3 map inside, i.e., why can't you fill the easy end with a disk to contradict what Mike said. Your nontrivial loop explanation helps.
19:46
@robjohn Or isn't it like that?
20:01
@BalarkaSen I just thought of another way to think about this.
What space is the solid torus quotiented by its boundary torus?
Pretty sure that it's $(S^1\times S^2)/S^1$.
And there's an embedding of the mapping cylinder of degree 3 into the solid torus, in such a way that its boundary lies entirely on the boundary torus.
So now just quotient out the boundary torus.
Goodbye
@AkivaWeinberger Yes.
Hey, someone can help me with probabilty ?
Because you first pinch the boundary circles of the meridianal disks, which gives $S^1 \times S^2$ and then identify all those pinch points which squishes a longitudinal $S^1$.
There is a lottry of 20 different balls numbered 1 to 20.
what is the probability to get in 10 in a row lotteries numbers from 8 to 20 ? (only 7 balls can be drawn).
20:22
@BalarkaSen $\mathrm{det}(a)=1/a$ ?
What is $a$?
errr
I stated my question wrong
I meant to ask something that was a silly question anyway
I figured it out now
ok
have you finished your exams?
Does anyone know what the symbol $\Subset$ is usually used for?
@BalarkaSen no, the exam starts in 2 hours
20:39
Hello. Is anyone here willing to take a stab at finding some probability mass functions?
@Evinda Try expanding things out and thinking.
how do I use class equation for the group $G$, where $|G|=mn$ and the normal subgroup $N$ is such that $|N|=m$. Where $m,n$ are relatively prime?
21:12
@robjohn I have thought the following:

$\langle \hat{x}, \phi \rangle= \langle x, \hat{\phi} \rangle=\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} x \hat{\phi}(x) dx= \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} x \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} \phi(x) e^{-ix \xi} dx d \xi=\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} x \phi(x) \lim_{M \to +\infty}\left[ \frac{e^{-i x \xi}}{-ix}\right]_{\xi=-M}^M dx$

But $\lim_{\xi \to -\infty} \frac{e^{-ix \xi}}{-ix} \to -\infty$.

Have I done something wrong?
@EricStucky You are also familiar with distribution theory...Aren't you?
21:37
Hello again. I posted my question regarding on probability mass functions on Stats.SE: http://stats.stackexchange.com/q/204202/67220
If anyone would like to take a look at it, I'd be happy to chat with you right here. I'd also be happy to give you points if you leave a response, of course.
@Danu: Relatively compact containment.
Or rather relatively closed.
So $U \Subset V$ means that $\overline U$ is contained in $V$. Some authors might also demand that $\overline U$ is compact.
Oh, I guess usually I mean $\overline U \subset \text{int } V$.
hi @chat
Context, @Danu?
hi @SemiC
Hello @Semiclassical
I have also an other question ... Is the fourier transform of $\delta(t,x)$ also 1 ? Or not since it has two variables? @robjohn
21:49
@MikeMiller any interesting math today?
mmkay
i have reason to look at Ed Witten stuff, I think
a dangerous game
I have some reasons not to.
21:50
@Semiclassical Are you somewhat knowledgeable on probability?
somewhat. but i'm really not interested in assisting anyone atm.
Fair
i think what i'm after is basically flows in the complex plane. i just can't figure out how to define those flows properly
though by 'define properly' i really mean 'understand well enough to have mathematica do it for me'
Sounds like you have a reason to read Arnold.
That's probably good advice, yeah.
21:53
So, homology is defined as $Z_n/B_n$. Is $C_n/Z_n$ or $C_n/B_n$ ever useful?
Where $C_n$ is the free abelian group on all singular simplices.
Peace out, everyone. I'm going to try to bang my head against the wall a bit more until I ironically think of something constructive
if nothing else, you'll be constructing a hole in the wall
Are these flows Hamiltonian (i.e. are the given by solving $\omega(X_f,_)=df$ where $\omega$ is the standard symplectic form on $\Bbb R^2$?
@AkivaWeinberger Well, the geometric information is lost, so there's no reason to believe they are useful.
well, here's the idea (stated in a simpler way)
suppose i have a one-form $p\,dx=\sqrt{x^2-a^2}\,dx$
21:56
How was homology discovered? Did people start with the idea that they wanted something that played well with wedges sums and CW complexes?
@AkivaWeinberger People wanted to prove fixed point theorems.
'Cause it's much easier to compute than $\pi_n$.
CW-complexes and wedges sums were came up with because they play well with homology and homotopy.
Not the other way around
@MikeMiller I think in my case it's relatively compact
if i pick a base point $\eta$ in the complex plane, i can locally compute the 'antiderivative' $\int_\eta^z p(z')\,dz'$
21:58
Thanks.
@AkivaWeinberger Well, Poincare thought a lot about cobordisms inside ambient manifolds.
@PVAL I guess that makes sense. I see how that could be useful in other areas of math. But saying "I want to prove fixed point theorems" doesn't easily point you in the direction of thinking of cycles modulo boundaries.
@MikeMiller As usual, Forster's book on Riemann surfaces
@PVAL's explanation does make sense though.
@BalarkaSen Remind me — two subspaces are in cobordism with one-another if their union is the boundary of a manifold-with-boundary. Or something like that?
21:59
now, for most points $z$ near $\eta$ i expect that integral to be complex. but (if i'm remembering right) there should be a line of $z$ passing through $\eta$ for which this integral is purely real
(i have to say locally to avoid worrying about branch points)
Not two spaces. Two manifolds of the same dimension.
They are cobordant if a manifold bounds their union, yes (at least in the unoriented category)
@BalarkaSen about to leave for the exam D;
Aha. And I suspect that "bordism" is also a thing.
@Semiclassical I believe that (though I think you mean curve).
@GPhys Wish you luck.
22:01
curve, yeah
i also know (from stuff i did a while ago and don't remember as well) that if i pick $\eta=\pm a$, then one instead has three curves emanating from this branch point
@AkivaWeinberger Bordism is dual to cobordism, I think. $X$ be an arbitrary topological space, then given two $n$-folds $M, N$, maps $f : M \to X$ and $g : N \to X$ are bordant if there is a cobordism $W$ between $M, N$ and a map $h : W \to X$ such that $h$ extends $f$ and $g$.
cobordism and bordism are really different words for the same concept.
(i think i actually want it to be purely real rather than purely imaginary, but w/e)
It isn't a category theory prefix
it means jointly bounds
22:04
@PVAL weird, I don't buy that. what's the use of the "co" there, then?
i should also point out that the standard terminology for this is (evidently) Stokes lines and anti-Stokes lines, depending on whether you pick purely real or purely iimaginary
i.e. lines is the standard language, despite them really being curves.
@BalarkaSen thanks
@BalarkaSen As "jointly". "Cobordant" loosely means "jointly bounds". As in M and N are cobordant if together they bound something.
Like operation and cooperation
Ah, alright. But people remove the co sometimes because they are lazy, right?
Funny terminology. Thanks, @PVAL.
22:07
I think they remove it so it doesn't cause category-theoretic confusion. I'd never be brave enough to ask them about something like this.
i guess coset is another example where co- isn't meant in the categorical way
And I suppose cobordism was invented first, and then homology later because we want our things to be able to intersect themselves and stuff
history is confusing
Homology was invented by Brouwer long before Thom.
@AkivaWeinberger Homology between cycles (by homology I mean the equivalence relation) is essentially the same as this, with manifolds replaced by simplicial complexes.
The goal was to prove basic topology questions like his famous fixed point theorem.
so anyways, @pval, i'd love if there's an obvious way to view the above as a hamiltonian flow
Or $\Delta$-complexes if you will.
but somehow i suspect not :/
@Semiclassical What's the flow. You want it to be along these curves where the integrals are totally real?
22:09
@PVAL But Poincare's original idea of homology was cobordisms, right? I read that somewhere. Someone criticized his ideas weren't rigorous enough so he used a different approach or something.
Poincare came after Brouwer (and Betti for that matter).
Ah. I don't know the history. Thanks.
I guess thats not true
I don't know history
@pval yeah, should be. there are some possible complications due to the branch cut, but that shouldn't be a problem if one stays in the upper half-plane.
with what magnitude.
22:12
eh?
I don't understand what your flow is.
You've given me a 1-form. and some curves.
ah. i want those 'real lines' to be integral curves of some flow.
i mean, getting the integral curves in this particular case is pretty straightforward since one can antidifferentiate explicitly
but i'd like to figure out something that works for more general $p(x)\,dx$
@semiclassical sounds like something Arnold knew..
For 2.1.14, am I supposed to use topology somehow?
22:20
I think the higher dimensional analogue to the existence of these lines is the "h-principle for totally real submanifolds" developed by Eliashberg which my adviser has tried to tell me things about.
wouldn't surprise me...
@Akiva No.
Does it hold for each group that has no non-trivial subgroups that it is abelian and simple?
@MaryStar Break this into two cases. One where the group has an element of finite order and one where it doesn't.
So do we take the cases where the group has finite order or infinite order? @PVAL
22:33
@MaryStar There are infinite groups with each element of finite order. This (or at least the way to do this that is is obvious to me) should be about the order of the elements. Not about the order of the whole group.
22:50
Suppose we have a group of finite order. Then all elements have finite order, right? @PVAL
@Danu: When I say context I mean like the surrounding words. But yes I would assume he means that $\overline U$ is compact and contained in the interior of $V$.
@BalarkaSen It wasn't that his ideas weren't rigorous enough, those darn pedants, it's that they actually did not make sense. Everything was submanifolds, not "maps out", and nothing worked; not to mention there were no abelian groups, he was just counting numbers of "homologically independent" things.
Like submanifolds being homologous meant there was something mutually bounding them, but this does not make any sense if your submanifolds eg intersect.
The idea was there but it was still not actually correct. So he realized the way to do everything was simplices.
@PVAL: Is that actually useful? I thought h-principles were just cool.
@MikeMiller Ah, good to know.
Everything ultimately comes from Betti's connectivity numbers, which were the number of times you could cut a manifold open without disconnecting it.
And Poincare's approach was to count the number of "homologically independent" submanifolds.
@AkivaWeinberger they won't actually be homotopy invariant.
@MikeMiller Cut a manifold open, as in cut it by a hyperplane? That sounds similar to dimension of algebraic varieties, funnily.
also, absurdly big.
@BalarkaSen: As in cut it open along some submanifold. Think curves in surfaces.
22:57
@MikeMiller Well it somehow lays the foundation for the things I am thinking about.
I see what you mean now.
Certainly Eliashberg's existence theorems for symplectic/Stein structures have been the theorems (maybe outside Donaldson's and Freedman's) with the most widespread applications in GT.
These use the h-principle critically.
@MikeMiller
Those aren't the same as the Betti numbers defined as ranks of homology groups, are they?
Should be, @Akiva.

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