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@user19405892 As always, it depends on the context.
@Danu A triangle doesn't have to be in the Euclidean plane, right?
I notice that some questions specify in the Euclidean plane and others don't. Maybe that is to avoid confusion if it is possible?
00:19
Also, what does the term subpolynomially mean?
I have heard articles say "the discriminant grows subpolynomially..."
00:36
Is anything known about the rate of convergence of best rational approximations to π?
Have you researched Pade approximants?
No, I'm clueless.
You'll need a firm grip on the Taylor series, but I believe the Pade approximants are these "best rational approximations" you are looking for.
 
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03:35
Anyone know what a good book to start with is for cryptography? Also, what other than abstract algebra would you recommend for cryptography?
Hi, I'm having quite a bit of difficulty solving the following recurrence and its quite urgent: $$T(n)=3T\left ( \lceil\frac{n}{\log_{2}n} \rceil \right )+\Theta \left ( n \right )$$ where $$T(1)=T(2)=1$$. Help would be greatly appreciated!
Gridley, you aware of this?
Yes but that doesn't seem to apply in this case, mainly b is not a constant which is my biggest gripe
Master theorem assumes all subproblems are of the same size which is not the case here
03:58
hi
does the cauchy schwarz inequality hold for any $n$ and $k$ dimensional vectors or do they have to be of the same dimension?
how do you propose taking the inner product of an element in $\Bbb R^n$ and $\Bbb R^k$?
Is the cup $>100\%$ empty or $<0\%$ full
asking the real questions
04:55
@DanielFischer hello, you don't tell me if i do a mistake when in my last message is it what you told me do ?
thank you
 
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hello @DanielFischer
 
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12:35
Hey there. I haven't used the chat before, but am I right in assuming that I can ask some math question and get hinted towards the right direction? :)
Go for it @mortjt
Though some things are better for the main site: Mathematics
(Type [main] to get a link to the main site)
@AkivaWeinberger The operator algebra section is sort of slim. I did well on Banach algebras, but $C^*$ is a hurdle.
@AkivaWeinberger For instance I have this
Let $A$ and $B$ be unital $C*$-algebras, and let $\Phi:A\to B$ be a surjectibe unit preserving $*$-homomorphism.
(i) Let $x$ be a normal element in $A$. Suppose that $\sigma (x)$ is finite. Show that there exists a self-adjoint element $y$ in $A$ and $f\in C(\sigma (y))$ s.t. $x=f(y)$.
@AkivaWeinberger So through one of our exercises we have the existence of a self-adjoint $y\in A$, but the second assertion escapes me :/
12:51
I don't know anything about this subject but good luck
alrighty :)
13:28
jasper deleted his account again ?
If I have two maps $p, q: S^1 \to M$ where $M$ is a manifold, in what way does
$$\oint p dq$$
make sense? I'm pretty sure we are integrating over the path of $q$, but I only know how to integrate functions from $M$ to $\mathbb R^n$ in this way, not functions from $S^1$ to $M$!
13:48
@s.harp will the manifolds not have diffeomorphisms to $\mathbb{R}^n$? I can only imagine this is to do with smooth manifolds.
ok I think it looks like $M$ is actually $\mathbb R^{2n}$, in the paper they are doing things like $(p,q) \mapsto (-q,p)$ and saying things like " as the two-form $f$ is closed, it can be regarded as the curvature of an abelian gauge field $b$:
$f=db$"

but on the otherhand they write things like "H will be finite-dimensional if and only if M has finite volume.", which if we consider $\mathbb R^{2n}$ is not really sensible
@mortjt the letters $p$ and $q$ are also used (in the paper) to denote coordinate charts that are canonical wrt to a symplectic form $f$ (ie $f=\sum_i dq^i\wedge dp_i$, but this is totally something else than a map from $S^1$ to $M$, which confuses me
morning chat
@s.harp out of curiousity, are you doing stuff with action-angle variables?
@Semiclassical no I tried starting this article by witten: arxiv.org/pdf/1009.6032v1.pdf but the problems start at page 8 lol
ah, okay. just to give the simplest context i can:
suppose you take a harmonic oscillator $H=(q^2+p^2)/2$ and quantize it. Then the energy levels are just given by $E_n=n+1/2$, and if you compute the classical action $S(E)=\oint p\,dq$ at this energy you get $S(E_n)=n+1/2$ as well
and while that's exact for a harmonic oscillator, it also holds approximately for a generic potential with a single classical minimum. that's known as Bohr-Sommerfeld quantization, and it's the simplest example I know of semiclassical analysis (name drop!) in quantum mechanics.
(it's semiclassical because, if i work in terms of dimensionful quantities, i get an overall factor of $\hbar$ in both quantities, and the condition for the approximation to work is essentially that $\hbar$ be small)
isn't the classical action of the harmonic oscillator $\int dt (p^2-q^2)/2$?
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hmm. should be the same up to integration by parts. note that i've written it in terms of $q$ directly rather than in terms of $t$
give me a second to remind myself of the details, i work in the Hamiltonian formalism far more than in the Lagrangian formalism
I see, I think this motivates why are are looking at such integrals, but my problem is more along the line on how this integral is even to be defined.
ah, right: the Legendre transform relation between Lagrangians and Hamiltonians can be written as $L\,dt = p\,dq - H\,dt$
and since one works at constant $H=E$ (assuming a time-independent hamiltonian) your integral differs from mine by $E\Delta t$
which i can probably live with
yes
not sure i'm understanding what the concern about definition is. for example, in the harmonic oscillator case one has $E=(p^2+q^2)/2$ along the classical trajectory and therefore $p\,dq = \sqrt{2E-q^2}\,dq$
if you've got more than two coordinates, it's more complicated but you should still be able to parametrize all coordinates wrt to time
in which case you're just doing $p \dot{q}\,dt$
The problem was mainly $p_r, q^r$ are maps $S^1 \to M$, where $M$ is a manifold. Then $\oint p_r dq^r$ does not make sense as an expression to me
14:07
i should acknowledge, though, that i mostly work in the one-dimensional case myself. i've avoided most of the higher-dimensional stuff
well, i imagine it's understood in the sense of einstein convention i.e. the duplicate index $r$ is being summed over
e.g. in the case of three coordinates one has $p_r \,dq^r = p_1 \,dq^1+p_2 \,dq^2+p_3 \,dq^3$
yes the sum is not the problem, the problem is an integral over a path of a function taking its values in the manifold
eh. arguably you're doing the same thing when you do a regular line integral, just with the manifold being Euclidean space.
With a regular line integral I am integrating something that lies in the tangent space of $q(t)$ along the path $q$
plus, once you parametrize by time you've got $p_r\,dq^r = p_r(t)\dot{q}^r(t)\,dt$
admittedly, though, i am not a good person to talk with about manifold concepts
yes but $p(t)$ is not a number/vector, but a point in the manifold. Eg I also don't know how to do $\sum_i p(t_i)$, as we dont have vector space structure of points on $M$
14:13
i'm a physics grad student not a math one, so i tend to fly by the seat of my pants when it comes to such things
I do not know what this expression means :) but I think I know the sentiment^
one objection to that: $p(t)$ is not a point in $M$. it can't be, since $M$ (as a symplectic manifold) is always two-dimensional, and $p(t)$ need not be
to give some of the physics language: one starts with a configuration space (usually $\mathbb{R}^n$) and then one considers the cotangent bundle of that configuration space
$q$ is a point in the configuration space, whereas $(q,p(q))$ is a point in the cotangent bundle
and that cotangent bundle is what a physicist would call a 'phase space.'
Here we start with an even dimensional manifold, a nondegenerate two form $f$, then locally there exists coordinates $p_r, q^r$ so that $f=\sum_r dp_r \wedge q^r$. But in the article this is not I think directly connected with the integral, as (to write the sentence):
"The basic Feynman integral represents the trace (2.4) as an integral over maps from $S^1$ to M:"
..
"Here $p_r(t)$ and $q^r(t)$ are periodic with a period of, say, 2π, so they define a map T : $S^1$ → M, or in other words a point in the free loop space U of M"
i remember trying to read this paper, btw, a few years ago
actually what the hell, what is $dq$ if $q$ is a map $S^1$ to $M$
14:23
it definitely is connected with that, though. in the harmonic oscillator case i gave above, the time-dependence of the classical trajectory is given by $(q(t),p(t))=(\cos t,-\sin t)$
which is explicitly periodic.
in which case, btw, one has $\oint p\,dq=\int_0^{2\pi} \sin^2 t\,dt=\pi$
bah, typo in the above
$(q,p)=(\sqrt{2E}\cos t,-\sqrt{2E}\sin t)$
so that the action integrates to $2\pi E$
what's probably confusing here is what the heck those $Dp_r,Dq^r$ are
i'll say that, whatever other virtues this paper might have, it is not attempting to do a comprehensive review of the Feynman path integral. it's assuming you have enough background to follow the discussion.
big $D q$ would be differential/pushforward, induced maps on tangent spaces.
I guess, I have never seen an introduction of the path integral that I would classify as "honest"
can't really argue with that
i'll say that, while i don't recall how the notion of pushforwards / induced maps on tangent spaces work, i suspect that's not how he's using $Dp_r,Dq^r$ here
mostly because those expressions are usually understood as convenient notations for expressing infinite-dimensional integrations which are used to represent all the different paths in phase space.
might be the same, but i'd be suspicious of identifying them
oh you are referring to the ones in the path integral, yes those are indeed not hte differential maps!
right.
btw, i think the Dirac condition he poses later down the page is basically the Bohr-Sommerfeld condition i stated above. it's definitely related to it, at any rate.
though the cases I'm familiar with all assume the configuration space to be Euclidean. things get harder if one assumes a more complicated manifold, and there my ignorance is real.
14:52
@s.harp out of curiousity, what're you after in trying to read that paper?
im part morse theory in supersymmetry, in part just to kill time and not do the things im supposed to do
god i know how that works
i don't do any SUSY stuff myself, either as physics or math, so i can only shrug at that
hi @ted
15:12
hi all
I have a strange question about calculating median... Here is the topic : I have a list of people, aged from 50 to 90, subscribing to a kind of insurance. Some of them keep insurance until they die. Some others simply leave. I know their age when they subscribe. I know their age when they "leave" (or die). I want to know the most relevant age median of the people taking this insurance... what's the most consistent way to calculate this?
this sounds more like a stats question
Taking all people (still active or not) from beginning of activity is not relevant.
Taking only currently active people seem (to me) not relevant.
well, maybe, i don't really know where to ask, maybe I should open a new question for this...
which there is a devoted SE site for. so while you may get a response here, you might try there instead.
I don't see any "statistics devoted se site"... :/
15:18
thx :)
np
there should also be a chat for that SE, though i know nothing of it
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15:30
What are the left cosets of the subgroup $\langle [4]\rangle = \left\{[1], [4]\right\}$ of $\mathbb{Z}_{15}^{\times}$? My answer it's the set $\left\{[1], [4]\right\}$ because the left cosets are $\left\{[1]h: h \in \langle [4]\rangle \right\} = \left\{[1],[4]\right\}$ and $\left\{[4]h: h \in \langle [4]\rangle \right\} = \left\{[1],[4]\right\}$.

But this is wrong because I'm saying the left cosets are the subgroup itself, which sounds wrong.
in doing cosets, don't you use all elements of the original group?
i.e. by definition $gH = \{ gh : h$ an element of $H \}$ is the left coset of $H$ in $G$ with respect to $g\in G$.
so for instance you'd also want to consider $2\langle [4]\rangle =\{[2],[8]\}$
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Oh, riiiight!
Cheers, I didn't fully grasp the definition it turns out!
Fun: Let $M$ be a simply-connected compact connected oriented 3-manifold with boundary. Then $\partial M$ is homeomorphic to $S^2$.
np. you may want to check that Lagrange's theorem holds i.e. that the number of left/right cosets equals the order of $G$ divided by the order of $H$.
you can drop simply connected and replace it with "trivial first homology"
15:41
True actually
so in your case you should have 8/2=4 cosets
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so as soon as I find four distinct cosets, I know i'm done?
I'm gonna throw one out there
Q: $A$ is a unital $C^*$-algebra. $A\neq \mathbb{C}1$ iff $A$ contains non-zero positive element $x,y$ s.t. $xy=0$
So if $A=\mathbb{C}1$, then there are no $x,y>0$ s.t. $xy=0$, as $A$ is a field and in particular an integral domain. Hence if $A$ contains non-zero positive element $x,y$ s.t. $xy=0$, then $A\neq \mathbb{C}1$.
Now I'm unsure about the converse. A hint is to show $A$ contains a self-adjoint element whose sectrum contains more than one point. But for some $x\in A$, this can be written as $x=x_1 +i x_2$ with $x_1,x_2$ self-adjoint.
16:30
@DanielFischer please what is the difference between prove that the sequence is not Cauchy and that the sequence has no a Cauchy subsequence ? thank you
16:54
@GGG should be, yeah.
17:05
A batch of one hundred bulbs is inspected by t
esting four randomly chosen bulbs. The batch
is rejected if even one of the bulbs is defective.
A batch typically has five defective bulbs.
The probability that the current batch is accepted
is _________
my solution:
ans = 95C4 / 100C4
can comeone tell if it's correct.
thanks.
@Semiclassical You there?
17:28
@albas am now
Can you help me with an integral?
The integral is $\int\frac{t^3}{t^5+1}dt$
depends on what kind, probably :)
The denominator will have one real root but the others will be complex. It seems I have to split it into quadratics and a linear factor but I am unable to do that
Oh, just have your buddy Wolfram do that part for you.
you're trying to do the indefinite integral?
17:33
Yes
mathematica can do it, but it's a pretty miserable result
wolfram alpha can do it as well
Factorization of $x^5+1$(with the help of wolfram, as Mike said) is $\frac{-1}{4}(x+1)(-2x^2+(1+\sqrt{5})x-2)(2x^2+(\sqrt{5}-1)x+2)$ which is of no help
How's that of no help?
(I would cancel out the $-1/4$ with the terms you're factoring with; they're trying to avoid a $\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}$, but I'm not sure it's worth a wandering 1/4.)
Oh yes you are right... I did not see the value of the integral wolfram produced
17:49
"Enjoy"
@Albas I like to write that as $(x+1)\left(x^2-\phi x+1\right)\left(x^2+\frac1\phi x+1\right)$
hi @Semiclassic, @MikeM, @robjohn
@TedShifrin How did your visit to LA go? I guess you were pretty busy?
I think I spent 7 hours driving a total of 120 miles in/around LA, @robjohn. Other than dealing with the traffic, I had a good time :) Enjoyed some repertory theater at USC and a wonderful dinner at a great restaurant.
Visited a former student who works at Google (in Venice). Impressive working environment they have ...
17:56
neat. what'd you see at USC re: theater?
Um, a play on the LA riots in 1992 and Threepenny Opera
@TedShifrin I interviewed at that Google. I think they were just trying to interview some old people to round out quotas.
Yeah, I was amazed to see a few people over mid-30's, but hardly any.
@pleasedeleteme Again? See you soon.
18:05
idg why he deletes his account :/
@Semiclassical Something that needs to be done periodically, it seems.
so it would appear
Perhaps catharsis?
Oh god!!! This is getting really messy
can't say i'm surprised
18:11
@Albas Hopefully, you are working on a non-porous surface.
that's an integral that's far easier to write down than to actually antidifferentiate
How do I find the conjugate of a complex number?
The partial fractions method does not give me anything satisfying. I am itching towards a trigonometric substitution
$\overline{x+i y}=x-i y$
Substitute $i$ with $-i$
18:15
@Albas But that is not a formula.
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"Note that $\mathbb{R}^{\times}$ is a subgroup of $\mathbb{C}^{\times}$ (the non-zero complex numbers under multiplication). Describe the left coset of $\mathbb{R} ^{\times}$ in $\mathbb{C}^{\times}$ containing $i$." Could anyone please translate this question because I don't understand it. What does containing $i$ mean?
presumably it means the left coset of $\mathbb{R}^+$ in $\mathbb{C}^x$ with respect to $i\in\mathbb{C}^x$
$1\in \mathbb{R}^+$, so certainly $i\in i \mathbb{R}^+$.
Well if $z$ is a complex number then $z\cdot \overline{z}= |z|^2$ where |z| means the modulus of a complex number from there you can get a formula @MatsGranvik
you can also deduce it from the real and imaginary parts as above.
@Albas: Presumably you saw the solution? I'm skeptical anyrhing will be satisfying.
18:20
@MikeMiller this is an MSE question.
e.g. $$z=x+i y\implies (\text{Re }z,\text{Im }z)=(x,y)\implies \overline{z}=x-i y=(\text{Re }z)-i(\text{Im }z)$$
Why does that change what I said?
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@Semiclassical So it doesn't mean $\mathbb{R}^{\times}$? I mistyped $\times$ as $+$ previously but edited it.
I do not know the solution. I just know the final answer
18:21
didn't notice you had.
i thought you meant the positive real numbers. but under multiplication that's a subgroup of the nonzero real numbers, which are themselves a subgroup of the nonzero complex numbers
if the problem says $\mathbb{R}^\times$, though, it's the second case (all nonzero)
in either case, it's a subgroup of $\mathbb{C}^\times$ and you can find the left coset of it in $\mathbb{C}^\times$ w/r/t $i$
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So they mean describe the set $\left\{i \right\}$ as a coset of $\mathbb{R}^{\times}$ ,the subgroup of $\mathbb{C}^{\times}$.
eh, no. $\{i\}$ isn't a coset.
what they want is the coset generated by $i$.
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Ok I see, thanks again.
there should be a neat geometric meaning to the result you get, btw. (try it for the coset generated by $e^{i\pi/6}$ to see what I mean)
@Albas: That's what I meant. You know the final answer. It's ugly. Why do you expect an elegant/sarisfying solution?
18:31
by and large, indefinite integrals don't have satisfying answers
quick question, to substantiate an analogy i was about to give
Yes. You might be correct. I am being too ambitious I guess
Suppose i have a rational polynomial of degree>4 whose roots are all quadratic irrationals. Must that polynomial be solvable by radicals? (i would think the answer is yes, but i've no particular background)
now there was an important typo :P
@Semiclassic: If you wrote all the roots in terms of any roots whatsoever, it would be solvable by radicals. Square roots in very particular.
that's what i figured, but i wanted to make sure i wasn't forgetting some obstruction.
with the analogy here being: suppose someone gave me a rational polynomial of sufficiently high degree (say, 10) whose roots are all quadratic irrationals. then i could certainly find all of those roots by radicals given enough time and energy, but i should hardly be surprised if that solution is both long and ugly.
and while mathematica may be able to get said roots without much evident work---well, mathematica is just not showing its work.
What precisely do you mean when you say "the roots are all quadratic irrationals"?
Surely you don't mean every root is $\pm\sqrt q$ for some rational number $q$?
18:42
$x=a+\sqrt{b}$ with $b$ not a square integer
Then your degree 10 polynomial is going to have to factor as a product of irreducible quadratics.
So it amounts to some yucky undetermined coefficient play to find those quadratics.
and equivalently i could say: just because someone tells me that my degree 10 polynomial factors like that, doesn't mean it's easy or quick to find them :)
Well, it's algorithmic, and a computer could do it easily. Just see how fast Mathematica does that :)
18:43
yes, and that's my point. :P
OK, glad I helped you make your point :)
Right. I am being too ambitious
the point being that just because Mathematica can give you a nice quick answer doesn't mean that there's a nice way to find it by hand
Is someone of you familiar with group theory?
also, was i using the phrase quadratic irrational wrong? i thought that was correct, but it's not something that's common parlance for me
18:44
Anyways, Hello@TedShifrin
hello, @Albas.
I'm actually not sure what the unambiguous terminology would be, @Semiclassic. I would, for clarity, say that each root lies in a quadratic (degree 2) extension of $\Bbb Q$. :)
@MaryStar I guess most of the people here are (except me)
fair enough. wiki has that as an entry, though: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadratic_irrational
though if $a,b$ are integers I guess i could've further said that the polynomial is monic with integer coefficients
I am looking at the exericse:
Let the finite group $G$ act transitively on the set $\Omega$. Then the action of $G$ and on $\Omega\times\Omega$ is defined as follows $(a,b)\cdot x=(a\cdot x, b\cdot x)$.
Let $a\in \Omega$.
Show that the number of orbits of $G$ on $\Omega\times\Omega$ is equal to the number of orbits of $G_a$ on $\Omega$.

I have done the following:

From the fact that the finite group $G$ acts transitively on the set $\Omega$, we have that there is just one orbit on $\Omega$.

We have that $aG=\{a\cdot g: g\in G\}$. This is an orbit of $a$.
(not much point in saying it's rational if i don't require it to be monic, anyways)
18:52
@Semiclassical if $x\not\in\mathbb{Q}$ satisfies $ax^2+bx+c=0$ where $a,b,c\in\mathbb{Z}$ then $x$ is a quadratic irrational?
Quadratic irrational is correct.
If you want it to be monic, quadratic algebraic integer or some such
@robjohn that's strictly speaking wider than the terminology i was using, since if $a\neq 1$ then the roots wouldn't be of the form $A+\sqrt{B}$ with $A,B$ integers
but that's just a matter of multiplying by a rational factor overall, so w/e
@Semiclassical well, $\phi$ is a quadratic algebraic integer and it can't be written that way
$\phi$ as golden ratio?
@Semiclassical yes
18:55
that's a good point.
@Semiclassic: The quadratic formula has a pesky $2a$ in the denominator. :P
sigh. yeah.
Quadratic integers sometimes have a 2 in the denominator, yes.
in any case, the wikipedia definition is given as $\frac{a+b\sqrt{c}}{d}$ with all being integers, with $d\neq 0$, and with $c>1$ not being a square.
so i was botching it any case.
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Evinda$\newcommand{\supp}{\operatorname{supp}}$ Let $u$ and $v$ be two distributions on $\mathbb{R}^n$, at least one of which has compact support. I have to show that $\supp(u \ast v)=\supp u + \supp v (5.1.4)$. For $\supp(u \ast v) \subset \supp u + \supp v$ I have found the following proof: First...

Could you take a look at my question?
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@Semiclassical regarding that left coset I think it's $r e^{i (\pi/2)}$ for $r \in \mathbb{R}\setminus \left\{0\right\}$.
right. which corresponds to the imaginary axis minus the origin.
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Neat stuff! :D
19:50
Hello @TobiasKildetoft , could I ask you something again for the exercise about the number of orbits?
hello, R is endowed with the metric $|arctan(x)-arctan(y)|$ , i want to prove that $(x_n=n)$ is a Cauchy sequence, i see that $\lim_{p,q\rightarrow\infty} d(x_p,x_q)=0$ then $(x_n)$ is a cauchy sequence, but if i want to find $n_0$ , how to do for $|arctan(p)-arctan(q)|<\varepsilon$ ?
@robjohn have you an idea please ?
$|\arctan(p)-\arctan(q)|<|arctan(p)|+|arctan(q)|$ we suppose that p>q then we obtain that $arctan(p)<\varepsilon/2$ how to find n_0 ?
 
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21:41
You know how the Dihedral group $D_6$ can be defined as $D_6 = \left\{x^i, yx^i: 0 \le i \le 5 \right\}$. What's the equivalent definition for $D_4$?
that goes under the name of the group presentation, i think?
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$D_4 = \left\{x^i, yx^i: 0 \le i \le 3 \right\}$?
21:57
what element of $D_4$ would $x$ correspond to?
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Not sure, just guessing. I only understand that definition in terms of $D_6$.
well, i think $x$ would have to be a rotation since it wouldn't make much sense as a flip
since then for $i=2$ you'd get back the $i=0$ case.
most direct way to check, of course, is to write out the multiplication table
okay, i'm out for now
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@Semiclassical Bye. Cheers for helping me out several times today. :D
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22:12
So not directly a math question, but I am taking a course in abstract algebra and combinatorics. Its a bachelors level course. It's very interesting, it covers things like groups, rings, etc. However, it's a totally different type of math than I am used to, and I find it very difficult to keep track of all the properties related to groups/subgroups/etc. I feel this this is going to be near impossible to remember and get good at.

Does anyone else have a similar experience?
23:24
just a quick question @MikeMiller or @PVAL the reason that the boundary map takes $C_{n}(A)$ to $C_{n - 1}(A)$ is because the boundary map is a group homomorphism, so preserves subgroups right ?
This is true because $A$ is a subcomplex.
if $A$ is a simplicial (or cellular) subcomplex of a complex X, then for the complex of groups associated to simplicial (or cellular) homology we have $C_*(A)$ is a subcomplex of $C_*(X)$.
It isn't true without some kind of subcomplex assumption.
I see
it is weird there was no assumption on A being subcomplex
in this relative homology business
A just taken to be a subspace of X
Well its always true for singular chains
why ?
Think about what a singular chain is and how the differential is defined
23:34
oh I guess because if we restrict the continous map $\sigma$ to the range A
Ya
Wait that doesn't sound right
well what is the elements of $C_n(X)$
The point should be that if a map $\Delta^n \to X$ lands inside $A$ than so do the restrictions on all of the boundary faces.
Hello guys
What is spectral flow symmetry? I can't find it on wikipedia
Think about what a singular chain is defined as
23:35
it is the formal sum of $n_i\sigma_i$ where $\sigma_i : \Delta^n \rightarrow X$
and how the differential is defined
The differential is just defined by taking a sum of restrictions to the faces on the boundary.
yeah
yeah I see
thank you
hi Karim, @PVAL
Hi @Ted
hi @TedShifrin
haha this month I have spent all my monthly salary on books
23:50
starving won't be much fun
I have essential sandwich money xD
this algebra using sequences of maps
is pretty cool
I have no idea what you mean, unless you just mean homological algebra
yeah
that is what I mean
gotcha
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Q: Free Strict Monoidal Category is Noetherian?

Julian RachmanLet us define the free strict monoidal category $\Sigma(\textbf{Pos})$ on the category of posets $\textbf{Pos}$. How may we prove that $\Sigma(\textbf{Pos})$ is a noetherian category if we know that $\textbf{Pos}$ is noetherian?

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23:54
you know @TedShifrin in this algebraic topology I am having huge troubles understanding a proof if it involves some geometrical idea for a specific proof. A phd student who does algebraic topology told me to just understand stuff algebraically and don't spend a lot of time on something.
@Ted Hi!
hi @Julian
If I happen to spend a lot time on some proof
I tend to disagree, Karim ... algebraic topology should not be formal symbol pushing.
I didn't get any training in geometry before.
23:56
It's not about formal training.
what would your advice be ?
You need to learn to draw pictures, but we're not talking geometry here.
what you mean by pictures ?
I mean pictures like are all over Hatcher's book.
I see

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