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What is the offensive quote on MO the other thread is about?
(Morning btw)
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> After a certain incident I have decided for myself to use creative identities everywhere on the web, except my bank and my paypal account...
Still using paypal...
@Matt Morning. Bloch's review of Milne's étale cohomology book. See here second page, long paragraph, the passage starting "In short, this is a gal ..."
The people who started a thread on this have too much time I think.
I wonder why no one has upvoted David's answer (to my question) yet =)
19:12
@Matt After all, we're talking about "quid"
@Matt Which other thread on MO?
@tb That doesn't ring a bell.
@Matt "quid" is responsible for half the content on meta.MO
(at least since s/he's active there)
previously known as "an_mo_user"
Can't blame it on (s)quid, there seem to be loads of people responding to it.
@tb And regarding the other thread: Disallowing anonymous posting? Why would anyone even suggest that.
@Matt - which other thread, Matt?
"why not real names?" or something else?
19:16
@Srivatsan Yes.
@Matt Thanks.
I'm erasing these two threads from my memory. It's steak sandwich time now. Bbl.
Why are they even talking about this? Is it something that people should get worked up by?
And Bill's answer/non-answer gets ahead of the other contenders...
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which?
@Srivatsan
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19:27
That question is "One could show how this proof?"
Which isn't even a meaningful sentence
@QED Yes. But why are you so hung up on that? =)
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How can you complain about not answering a question correctly, if there is no real question?
Yes, it is not a meaningful sentence. In fact, somehow I didn't even pay attention.
Oh, I see. Your point is almost a wordplay.
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my argument ?
I don't understand what you're objecting to
@QED That it is not a real question. :)
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19:30
You said his post is a non-answer, what question is it you think he should be answering?
You are just being deliberately obtuse.
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No I'm not
There is a proof of the infinitude of primes using topology. I was only informed of the existence of this proof. They say it's very elegant. Can someone show how this proof works?
[Just a note: the edit distance between my question and the one posted is very small: I just added one word in the front and one at the back.]
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You're saying
One could show how this proof?
should be
One could show how this proof works?
Or maybe "Can someone show this proof?" -- This also works and it even reads better.
19:32
@AsafKaragila A long time ago on IRC.
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Until the question is clear I don't know how you can object to what's posted as not answering "it"
I'm not going to repeat myself.
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I'm not asking you to
@QED The problem is: the question is clear to me. I could be wrong (in understanding the question), of course, but that's a different issue.
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ok
I think you should comment or edit it
with that improvement
19:34
Nah, I am good. =)
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er ok but as it is the question isn't even grammatically correct
Oh my dear.
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It's unclear to me what's being asked
You give me a seminal paper, and I am pretty sure I can find a silly typo somewhere. Does that mean we should throw out the entire work or refuse to acknowledge it?
@Srivatsan Yes.
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19:37
forget the misleading analogy
In this particular case it's not just a careless typo where you can easily see what he meant to type
I don't actually know what he's asking for
@QED Ok, you know what? If the question is not clear to you, why don't you ask for clarification in a comment?
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I don't care about it
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furstenbergs proof is uninteresting
Furstenberg! A genius.
19:38
@QED It's exactly the case here: I can see what the OP meant. It is you who cannot see.
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OK
What did he mean?
[So the analogy is not misleading, I think.]
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Is he just asking for the name of the theorem, or someone to write it out, or what?
@QED Hey, come on, you want me to answer that question a second time?
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You gave it two different interpretations before
That's the definition of ambiguous
19:40
I am sorry, QED, but this is getting a tad pointless. I still recommend that you demand clarification.
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The only reason I ask is because I can't judge whether Bills post is a non-answer or not
maybe he just interpreted the nonsense sentence differently
Y so srs?
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Hi
I would like to know where should I learn Ring Theory from
19:43
Heya.
@JonasTeuwen That was hilarious, thanks.
Yes.
People are way too serious for their own good.
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I don't know what you've got against things being expressed clearly
@Dylan, I visited your homepage and I too am interested in Algebra.
@Kannappan That could mean a few things. Do you have a certain application in mind?
19:45
Yes, I would like to work in fields connected to Langlands Programme
Ah, I was referring to your wanting to learn about rings.
Yeah, I would like to learn general ring theory for its own sake.
But Langlands is good. Langlands is connected to almost everything if you squint hard enough.
Do you know the basic definitions?
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@JonasTeuwen, I'm less interested in what people think I shouldn't be, than what I could be doing productively instead.
@QED Y so srs?
19:48
After that, I think most references will focus on either the commutative case or the non-commutative case.
Yeah, I do. I did it from Dummit and foote
But not both. If you are interested in Langlands, then both sides are very useful.
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That "lolcat" stuff is annoying so I'll put you on ignore
There's probably a better place to go for memes than MSE
So, I guess I should learn commutative case first, am I right?
Commutative algebra because it is the foundation of algebraic geometry and algebraic number theory; noncommutative rings because they are useful for studying representations.
19:52
Fine, let me tell you, what i've been doing. So it should suggest you what I do.
@Kannappan How far have you gotten in D&F?
Upto Ideals, correspondence pple and stuff
@Jonas Are you the lolcat?
I am not.
Wait, let me check.
@Srivatsan No, I'm not.
@Kannappan I don't think that one is necessarily a better starting point than the other. You might be the sort of person who pushes out on multiple fronts at once (at some point, you have to be this sort of person).
19:56
Hah, did QED ignore me? All work and no play huh?
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@Srivatsan, anyway, I am just saying you should withhold judgement on the answers until the question is clear.
I wouldn't take too much of what I say seriously, by the way.
@Dylan, ::nod:: I agree with you that I do it. but is that bad? I don't know.
But looking at the table of contents of D&F again, it seems like you could still learn more from this book.
@QED QED, my whole point is that from my eyes, there's no ambiguity in the question. =)
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True, but, I find the presentation hard to grasp. Unlike group theory, the presentation here is not that good, in my opinion.
Everything in chapters 7–12 and the stuff in chapter 15 onwards looks healthy.
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That's false though
You even gave it two different interpretations
I could think of several and I have no idea which one he meant
of course you blamed me for that, but there isn't enough context to make a good guess
Interesting. I'm not a big fan of this book myself.
@QED The two are almost the same though: they will get similar answers. What is the difference between them?
And, I also need some clarification on the semi direct product of groups.
20:02
A book you could try reading is Miles Reid's Undergraduate Commutative Algebra.
@Dylan Thank you for the reference
In the direction of commutative algebra the eventual goal would be something like doing the exercises in Atiyah-Macdonald. That book is great.
Fine, I'll get started here. Thank you, thanks a bunch.
My laptop just died on me 3 times in a row. I hope this doesn't mean I have to replace the motherboard again :,(
But Reid's book will try to force you to think about things geometrically and that's really the best thing.
20:05
@Kannappan Maybe one take-away from this is: if one book doesn't suit your tastes don't waste too much time with it. Simply look for another one. As long as your dealing with rather fundamental things like algebra, there's plenty of choice.
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@Kannappan What's this about semidirect products?
@t.b. Thanks for your advice
@tb I'm tempted to make some Asaf joke at this point. =)
Wise words from @tb.
There's a crazy amount of algebra textbooks out there.
Tell me this: does no one follow Herstein?
I found it rather too terse.
20:09
@Srivatsan the 'gician did. he even wrote a review.
@Srivatsan: I read herstein in the beginning and soon finished all the exercises. So, shifted to D and F
I like that book. But probably if someone wants terse these days they assign Lang.
@KannappanSampath Oh, that fast, eh?
There are two Herstein books that we might be talking about.
I see. One second, let me google.
20:10
@Dylan The problem is in understanding this Statement: The semidirect products are nothing but the direct product if the homomorphism is trivial.
Topics in group theory is what I am talking about.
There's another, Topics in Ring Theory
@DylanMoreland Is Reid's commutative algebra book as good as his undergraduate algebraic geometry book? If so, I should probably have a look at it.
And, I solved the exercises only from Group theory part of it.
Kannappan: Wait, there's a Topics in Algebra, which is what I have(had). I don't know about Group or Ring theory books from Herstein.
@tb I must confess that I haven't read the whole thing; I learned this stuff from Atiyah-Macdonald. But the parts I have read were as charming as you'd expect.
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@Srivatsan, sorry, I meant Topics in Algebra, not Topics in Group Theory
@Dylan Please Clarify
20:15
@Kannappan Hm? Sorry, clarify what?
that Semi direct product thing, I was talking about, The semidirect products are nothing but the direct product if the homomorphism is trivial.
Aha.
Well, here's one way: look at the multiplication law that you define using the homomorphism.
If the homomorphism is trivial—that is, it sends everything to the identity automorphism—then what does the law look like?
Let's look here for notation.
Let me clarify what I've in mind:
For instance, There's only a trivial homomorpism from $Z_5$ to $Z_2$
If $\varphi_{h_1}$ is the identity automorphism of $N$, then $\varphi_{h_1}(n_2) = n_2$. So the product is $(n_1n_2, h_1h_2)$.
And that's just the usual group law on $N \times H$ as the direct product of groups.
Got your argument, I was thinking this way: semi direct product of them is isomorphic to $Z_10$.
yeah, I got it, I didn't spend enough time on the material.
20:20
@Jurors: Service wanted here.
@tb For MathSciNet you need a subscription!
And I was not aware of the usefulness of MathSciNet before this year either :-).
@Jurors needed for the roots of $i$ question.
Is that exactly the same?
@DylanMoreland Abstract duplicate =)
20:26
I guess it would be bad to have a hundred questions that were the same but for slightly different numbers.
@Kannappan Cool.
And the original post is more general than the new one: It asks for $z^n = i$.
@JonasTeuwen yeah, but there's also Zentralblatt
I was not even aware of that two months ago.
Oh man, that sleep was so much needed.
@JonasTeuwen <rant> apparently the internet has spoiled the generations after mine. Incredibly enough many of them are not even able to search the internet properly :) </rant>
20:30
Well, for many sciences there is no such thing as a website that links to many articles.
So, I'm not very surprised that someone might think this is the case for mathematics as well without giving it much further thought.
Hi from ipad. My laptop died. :,( after almost 6 years being let down sucks just so much. i don't want a new laptop :'(
@Matt Oh, no! Worst possible moment! I saw you jumping in and out of chat and feared the worst...
I am not a fan of laptops.
Funny because it's always worst possible moment for me, I need it to work and to study efficiently. it has all the pdfs on it.
@Matt RIP.
Go and print them, you will work even more efficiently when you don't have a computer 8-).
Computers are terrible productivity killers.
@Srivatsan Ah, I see.
@DylanMoreland ??
@tb Not really.
@Srivatsan Talking about the duplicate earlier.
20:37
@AsafKaragila okay, fixed. Thanks
Dylan and Jonas have this habit of not linking back to the messages they're responding to. Confusing...
@DylanMoreland (Just in the unlikely case you didn't realise this) You know you can reply to messages, no?
@jonasteuwen Not for me, I have it under control. Unless I have a very bad day but then it doesn't matter anyway.
Self-discipline is great. I need it.
I am capable of much more than I do, is my idea.
You should give it your all. :)
@JonasTeuwen You're Belgian. At best you are capable of crumbling at the hand of the Nazis some 73 years ago.
20:40
I could answer that, but I'll refrain from doing that 8-).
@JonasTeuwen Indeed, I am not a 72 years old Nazi... :-)
@Srivatsan I think I was aware of this but I somehow never remember to do it. I'm used to IRC, you see.
asaf you have hang ups about ww2
Here's one thread that can safely be closed.
I wonder: What is harmonic analysis useful for except the basic transforms? 8-).
20:41
And I find the interface here kind of crummy. I have to click on super small icons to do anything. So I mostly ignore it.
@Matt Yeah, it was a wonderful example of a model without choice and with a lot of forcing... :-P
I'll give it a shot, though. Somehow I thought this last one wasn't so bad because it was a response to the last thing you had written here.
I guess it makes most sense when one is responding after a little delay. Other times, it depends on convenience and taste.
I sometimes avoid it thinking it might be a bit rude to keep pinging someone for all the trivial things.
Well, they get to see the snowman.
@srivatsan what's an example for something trivial?
20:46
@Matt =)
Just a smiley would be an example, I suppose.
I don't see why the icons have to be so small—they only show up when you hover, so it's not like you're crowding out text.
@srivatsan seeing the snowman is nice and besides i sometimes only read messages addressed to me and ignore the noise.
@DylanMoreland One thing to be aware of is that not everyone is pinged (e.g. J.M. and me) by messages starting with @user
Oh, the periods give it trouble?
@Matt so you like the snowman?
20:48
Neither @tb nor @t.b. does the trick?
No, neither of them.
Matt: The orange is a bit odd, but otherwise it's ok.
I wanted to ask this:
@srivatsan yes i like it, i think it's a cute idea.
@tb Wait, you won't be pinged by this?
20:49
you beat me to it
@tb How about this?
@Srivatsan By this I am. But not by the second one.
@tb Seems like a bug, no?
I'm not sure what the reason is, but it may have to do with the periods...
@tb Yes, you people are giving the willies to the notification software.
20:50
I'll find out where people are reporting chat bugs.
you could file a bug report.
On Math Overflow, the user selects an answer if he is satisfied with it. But, here, there are many questions that have been answered but the user has not chosen any of it ...
@KannappanSampath And then Gerry hounds them for eternity. Fair trade.
ipad is not an enjoyable experience. I think it's time to rewatch Sherlock Holmes.
@DylanMoreland I don't understand, sorry.
20:53
@KannappanSampath It could be that it has to do with the way accepted answers are displayed. I mean here it's just a small green tick on the left, while on MO the entire accepted answer is displayed on a green background, so it's much more clearly visible that something has happened.
@t.b. I see
"Feel free to delete my answer, or move it elsewhere, or display it prominently in advertisements for the site, as you see fit." Heh
@DylanMoreland Funny!!
And what's that OP
"From your comment I suspect you don't actually think this answer should be a comment at all." -- Are we now censoring comments? // I guess I am quoting one sentence out of context. Read the full quote in the answer here.
21:01
has anyone ever purchased anything on ebay? i'm asking because they sell the mac book pro model i want.
I am getting a feeling robjohn might have been scooped a little. =) // Now I am wondering what headway he had...
@Matt What query do you have? My friend once got some tickets from ebay, and I was around then. I might or might not be of help.
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Q: How many unique posibilities of n numbers out m numbers?

NGLNSay I have a set with the numbers 1, 2, 3... m. How many unique combinations can be made of n numbers out of that set?

Is this making sense to any of us?
@srivatsan by query do you mean what i want to buy? a new old laptop.
@KannappanSampath Not really, but if I must squeeze some sense, I would say he is asking about $\binom{[m]}{n}$.
@Matt Well, I meant: do you have any clarification I can help you with?
@Srivatsan So that's the definition and even for that, we need to have $n \leq m$
21:09
@KannappanSampath Not really, I'd define $\binom{[m]}{n}$ to be empty, in other words $\binom{m}{n} = 0$, just to make sure all our expressions have some meaning.
But I wanted to point out that: the OP is probably asking about combinations.
@Srivatsan Fine, That's just some polishing. So, this question is way too vague.
@KannappanSampath Yes, and since we have a good guess about what the OP means, it might make sense to help the OP polish his question to make it clear. =)
Since, you know, this is a site for mathematics of all levels. =)
@Srivatsan true, but OP has posted his intent in his comment.
He just means what he means
And they are just using us as the "fastest way to get the answer". I am bummed. =)
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@srivatsan no, i have no clarification,thank you. :)
@tb when you wrote worst possible moment it was actually meant as a joke. i'm so slow :,(
21:29
@Matt - what's the joke?
writing worst possible moment is. : ) because it's always the worst possible moment.
Aw, right. Thanks.
Hi! Does anyone know how to do the following in Wolfram Alpha: I have a function f(x)=3x+x^2+x^3 and I want to calculate that for x=1, x=2, x=3 etc.. is there any simple way of doing that besides changing the x to that number, I would like to change in just one section and have the formula remain the same
21:48
@samuelf just type in evaluate <f(x)> when x=1,2, .... and you have it
replace <f(x)> by your f(X)
@samuelf did it work?
Oh yes.
I have my 5 missing upvotes.
Some kickass answer is going to be written now!
Hm. Maybe not?
Drats. My claim has a mistake... back to the drawing board.
22:14
@Srivatsan I'm back with my son. I will work more on my answer unless someone else has answered it sufficiently.
1 hour ago, by Srivatsan
I am getting a feeling robjohn might have been scooped a little. =) // Now I am wondering what headway he had...
@robjohn Your son, is he back home for Christmas?
Yes, he has met the kitten and is now unpacking his suitcases in his room.
Ooh, suitcases... Sounds serious. =)
How's Cali?
Or did you name her Mystique finally?
+1 because I like kittens.
@Srivatsan We're still dithering on a name. I thought it might be nice to let our son have some input.
22:30
@robjohn Of course.
@robjohn (I think you misread my second name suggestion for the kitten.)
@Srivatsan I read it as Mystique, but the only reference I could make was to the X-Men. Did I miss something?
Yes, that's what I meant. :/
@robjohn Did you read David's answer? Does it overlap with your approach?
@KannappanSampath - Yes it did! Thank you so much!
22:44
@Srivatsan Not in appearance, but it might in essence. I will have to look further. Does he answer your question fully?
@robjohn I think so. I only ask for some bound, but Rahul's comment gives a conjecture about how the set looks like exactly.
And David is able to show this. I browsed through the answer but did not go go over carefully.
I will work more on mine and see if it gives a better answer. I am only now getting to work on it. I keep getting interrupted with things to do.
@robjohn :)
How old is your kitten?
Actually does this website is for real? it looks like you just have to pay yearly fee to download unlimit number of books: booksgreatchoice.com/eBooks
Is this legal?
22:49
i don't know, maybe those type of website would be close shortly...
@Victor What's the yearly fee?
I cannot find that information anywhere..
i found out that most of the book is free for member, so...
@Victor But what fee should you pay per year for being a member?
I think i might have to give the email in order to get the price, but i want to know about similar types of websites...
@Victor I see. It doesn't sound that reassuring to me -- why can't they just publish their fee somewhere?
22:57
Now i think it would be a good idea for companys to offer unlimit download of book with a yearly fee but give you advertisement for each download, and i want to ask is there someone here have ever use those type of website before?
if a website similar to this exist legally, it would be far better then google ebooks
Also, i find this book for free and want to share with you people, bt what is the best website that ave wide selection to download those good books for free? here is the link to this book: blngcc.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/… Do you people think those are just elemetary math in this book?
Good night folks.
I want to sabre a good bottle of champagne. But I don't have a champagne sabre.
Good night @Matt.
@JonasTeuwen Just open it normally : )
No.
I have done that a lot before.
I want to sabre it now.
I saw someone on youtube sabre it with an axe! Skills.
Silly. : )
I don't see the point.
See you tomorrow!
23:11
It used to have a purpose. Now it is just cool. Bye.
23:49
What happens and an unstoppable force meets an unmovable object?

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