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19:02
@Evinda No point of $A$ is in $B(x,\varepsilon)$.
That means no element $a\in A$ fulfills $d(x,a)<\varepsilon$.
Thus each element $a\in A$ fulfills $d(x,a)\ge\varepsilon$.
@BalarkaSen Hey.
Did you ever read Spanier's text?
@MartinSleziak So you mean that it is as follows?

Since $X \setminus{ \overline{A}}$ is open, there is an $\epsilon>0$ such that $B_{\rho}(x, \epsilon) \subset X \setminus{ \overline{A}} \Rightarrow \{ y \in X: \rho(x,y)< \epsilon \} \subset X \setminus{\overline{A}}$.

If $a \in A$ then $a \notin X \setminus{\overline{A}}$, so $a \notin \{ y \in X: \rho(x,y)< \epsilon \} \Rightarrow \rho(x,a) \geq \epsilon \Rightarrow \inf \{ \rho(x,a) \geq 0: a \in A\} \Rightarrow d(x,A) \geq 0$
Seems more or less ok, modulo some typos.
Still, you might have a look at some post on the main to see the same proof formulated in a more straightforward manner.
19:20
can someone explain to me the connection between T(v) and (u,Tv)
@MikeMiller everybody is very nice when I walk around with this shit-eating grin on my face haha
@MartinSleziak Have we found like that a contradiction?
@MartinSleziak We have supposed that d(x,A)=0 and got that $d(x,A) \geq 0$ :/
@Evinda No, the contradiction is $d(x,A)\ge\varepsilon$. (And, consqeuently, $d(x,A)>0$.)
@aaadddaaa They both have an uppercase T and a lower case v in them.
@MartinSleziak Ah I see.. So this is a formal proof, isn't it?
19:31
Yes, but I think you can prove the same thing in much more straightforward way.
@PVAL Funny :P
Ok... nice... thank you!!! @MartinSleziak
Perhaps trying direct proof instead of contradiction would be reasonable.
Let T be a linear transformation what's the connection between T(v) and (u,Tv)
Let's say if (u,Tv)=0 can i say T(v)=0?
If you know $d(x,A)=\inf\{a\in A; d(x,a)\}=0$, then you know that for each $\varepsilon>0$ there is an $a\in A$ such that $d(x,a)<\varepsilon$.
This means that the intersection $B(x,\varepsilon)\cap A\ne\emptyset$ for each $\varepsilon>0$.
So each neighborhood of $x$ intersects $A$. This means that $x\in\overline A$.
19:49
@MartinSleziak Why do we know the following?

then you know that for each $\varepsilon>0$ there is an $a\in A$ such that $d(x,a)<\varepsilon$.
We have that $S_{||\cdot||_2}:= \{ x \in \mathbb{R}^n: ||x||_2=1\}$.

How can we justify that it is bounded.

Do we just say that if $x \in S_{||\cdot||_2}$ then $||x||_2=1 \leq 1$ and so the set is bounded. How could we justify it more formally?
Huy
Huy
@aaadddaaa take $T = id$ and $u = 0, v \neq 0$ and use the standard scalar product.
20:07
@Evinda Definition of infimum.
@MartinSleziak I see... Thank you!!!
@MartinSleziak Do you maybe also have an idea about my other question?
Does the fact that for matrix A tr(A)=0 means A is singular?
Huy
Huy
no
$\begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 \\ 0 & -1 \end{pmatrix}$
@Evinda I think you are right. It is as simple as that.
A ok... Thanks :) @MartinSleziak
20:30
Hello all!
21:11
hello, is it true that if a set A is claused, then it's derivative set A' is empty ?
21:47
Suppose that $A $ is symmetric.

We have $g(x)=\langle x, Ax \rangle= \sum_{i=1}^n x_i \sum_{j=1}^n a_{ij} x_j$.

How do we get that $\nabla{g(x)}=2Ax$ ?

I tried it for $n=2$ and I got $\nabla{g(x)}=(2a_{11} x_1+ x_2 (a_{12}+a_{21}), x_1(a_{12}+a_{21})+2x_2 a_{22})$
22:03
So, anyone is done with this one?
@DanielFischer how would you calculate my integral?
@PVAL how hard is Gromov compactness?
@MikeMiller pretty hard to nigh impossible depending on what you are willing to take for granted and what additional assumptions you are putting on the manifold.
For example making $M$ aspherical should simplify things a lot.
I think my examples are usually not aspherical.
Suppose I'm willing to assume it's a cotangent bundle?
What kind of Riemann surfaces are you using?
Are these disks with Lagrangian boundary conditions, $S^2$ or something even worse?
Just those in the definition of Floer homology so I think only discs and simple degenerations of these.
22:12
For instance, this problem is also in a high school textbook I have
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A: If $f(2x)=2f(x), \,f'(0)=0$ Then $f(x)=0$

Eric WofseySetting $x=0$ in $f(2x)=2f(x)$, $f(0)=0$. Now fix $x\neq 0$ and consider the values $f(x/2^n)$. By induction, $f(x/2^n)=f(x)/2^n$ for all $n\in\mathbb{N}$. But by the definition of the derivative, $$\frac{f(x/2^n)-f(0)}{x/2^n-0}=\frac{f(x)/2^n}{x/2^n}=\frac{f(x)}{x}$$ must converge to $f'(0)=0...

And, yes, this is the way the problem is solved, it's a standard way in high school.
Anyway.
I'll want to work on a Fukaya category later so I'll also want to allow holomorphic n-gons @PVAL
Is this a good place to get help for optimizing a python code for a simple math algo? stackoverflow.com/questions/35072925/…
or perhaps, simplifying the math algo itself :)
@MikeMiller Oh's book is probably the most readable source on this stuff that I know of.
I looked at this stuff a long ago, and gave up really understanding the proof a while ago.
22:29
Ok. I'll just believe it.
I don't think there are any technical considerations to go from whitney disks to n-gons.
The statement itself for general symplectic manifolds is quite hard.
Whitney disc is such a good choice of terminology.
I think McD-Sala spends a few pages describing the things besides honest J-hol curves that are included in the compactification for S^2 and for disks there a few more weirdnesses that can come up.
I was always more concerned with when we can say that a limit of pseudohol. curves is an honest pseudohol. curve (the acs not necessairly fixed here).
@MikeMiller This probably isn't a bad solution. I don't think the post-docs here (now and former) who have consistently produced nice results with "Floer" in the title of their papers really had any more sophisticated understanding of Gromov compactness or the other hard analytic questions surrounding J-hol curve theory than I do (which is essentially none).
@MikeMiller In completely unrelated news, Tye is giving a talk on his pos.def symplectic 4-manifolds paper w/ Hom here in a couple of weeks.
22:49
@PVAL: That makes sense.
Tell Tye hi for me. Or don't. Both are fine.
23:23
@PedroTamaroff I have never read it, nope.
user174558
Just answered 2 questions, hehe.
23:53
Could you give me an example of a $n \times n$ matrix for which it holds that $||A^2||< ||A||^2$ ?
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