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00:08
@Hippalectryon comment ca va mon pegase
second time i pingd him and he didnt respond
01:05
If $G$ is a group in which $(a \cdot b)^i = a^i \cdot b^i$ for two consecutive integers $i$ for all $a, b \in G$ show that $G$ is non-abelian.

All I can show is that this implies $a^i b = ba^i$. Should I be trying to find a counterexample instead?
01:37
I am a programmer. I wish to improve in Maths. I have started mastering Discrete Maths first. Any suggestions?
01:48
Are linear equations and linear maps linear in the same way? I get what a linear map is. I am confused whether we can show an equation is linear in the same way we show a linear map is linear.
01:59
Never mind. What I've written above is not true.
Is someone of you familiar with the Lyapunov function?
@Stan: Linear equations come from linear maps. Suppose it's one equation, $a_1 x_1 + \dots + a_n x_n = 0$. Bake this into a map: $f(x) = a_1 x_1 + \dots + a_n x_n$. Then solutions to your equation are elements of the zero set of $f$.
And linear equations come from/give rise to linear maps.
@robjohn do you maybe have an idea about my question math.stackexchange.com/questions/1625790/… ?
I can think of times outside of linear algebra that it's better to think of zero sets of maps than it is to think of equations.
02:52
@MikeMiller it comes up a lot, yeah
to put it pun-ishly: varieties come up in quite a variety of ways :)
One of my favorite examples comes from Seiberg-Witten theory. Normally you write down the SW equations, count the solutions, and that's your invariant. Furuta had the brilliant idea to instead consider the Seiberg-Witten map. By doing so and some reasonably simple analysis, he was able to prove the 10/8 theorem.
The same idea leads one to the Bauer-Furuta invariants: the SW map becomes your actual invariant, and lives in a "co homotopy group" instead of, well, the intwgers
you classify the mapping rather than a particular invariant of it?
i think i'd need an example of that before i'd quite appreciate it
@SemiC: Think of it as a wacky infinite-dimensional version of this. I can consider maps $\Sigma_2 \to T^2$. They all have an associated number called the degree (cardinality of generic preimage of a point, essentially, counted with a sign).
Or I could think of the homotopy class of the map as, uh, an invariant of the map. This is annoyingly tautological but sometimes there's value in all that information.
$T^2$=torus?
and $\Sigma_2=?$
Yes, and genus 2 surface
03:02
so mappings from a genus 2 surface to a genus 1 surface? hmm
In this setting I have a 4-manifold, and then I have a nasty map between infinite-dimensional spaces, and then I roughly say "Take its homotopy class!"
That's a lot better than just a number associated to it. Maybe a lot harder to compute, but more theoretically powerful, since I throw away less data.
The relationship to degree is that "cardinality of ppreimage of point" is here replaced by "Cardinality of zero set" - the usual SW invariant
what that reminds me of (though it's a much simpler example)
and related to what Stan said because of the idea to think of it as a map instead of an equation
is that when one is using the residue theorem in complex analysis, one way to look at it is that one just counts the winding numbers and figures out how residues contribute from that
but one could also think of the integration cycle as an element of the first homology group. or if one wanted to hold on to even more information, as an element of the fundamental group
that doesn't make a difference if one is just doing residues, but it does if one has branch cuts (though now i have to be careful about whether I'm thinking of said cycles as in the complex plane, or in an appropriate branched cover of it)
Yeah, I like that analogy.
03:13
i feel like that parenthetical is something i should be able to formulate more clearly, hrm
 
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07:44
@Huy They should definitely not all commute. That would make all the eigenvalues $0$. What matrices are you using for the Cartan?
 
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09:30
What does this arrow mean: $\rightsquigarrow$
$U\rightsquigarrow \mathcal{O}_V(U)$
09:52
Hi every one
As a member of this site (almost an active member)
I want to inform you that if there is anyone here interested in remote sensing or photogrammetry
there's a site proposal
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12:01
@MikeMiller Hi!
 
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13:02
Hi!!!
Could I ask someone something about a Cauchy problem?
13:37
Quick meta-math question. If I have a sequence $(\pi_1,\pi_2,\dots,\pi_n,\tau_1,\tau_2,\dots,\tau_n)$ that qualifies as a formal proof, am I correct in arguing that $(\pi_1,\tau_1,\pi_2,\tau_2,\dots,\pi_n,\tau_n)$ does NOT qualify as a formal proof (since each step in the sequence is no longer immediately derivable from a preceding axiom)?
13:58
user image
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(credit goes to @SohamChowdhury for digging this up)
14:14
I have a theory for a highly effective study system:

1) Find something in a field you enjoy, that is far beyond your understanding
2) Break down into a chain of things you need to learn in order
3) Attack from the start.

Example: Want to understand regular map: Sheaves -> Ringed spaces -> Algebraic varieties -> Regular maps

Does anyone study like this?
I have to go, but I'll read any responses later!
@JoshuaA It means "assign".
@JoshuaA I am not sure if I study like that, but note that one drawback of picking up arbitrary things you know nothing about and try learning about it is that your learning order is most often bound to get wrong, if you don't have a good textbook.
For example, sheaves and ringed spaces come after regular maps and algebraic varieties, not before :D
14:47
@robjohn how is it possible that my account on db disappeared?
@robjohn oh, it's still there, but I did something wrong. I was scared not for the having an account deleted but I thought my address was compromised by some hackers.
huh!
for having
15:01
Hi @iwriteonbananas.
15:30
@BalarkaSen what does that image show? What is special about that transcript?
15:49
I just derived another amazing result!!!!!!!
@SuperstarMonica About what?
@Evinda A series involving a relation between the squared harmonic number and the harmonic number of order 2.
@SuperstarMonica What do you mean with harmonic number of order 2 ?
@Evinda partial sum of zeta function at integer $s=2$.
@SuperstarMonica Ok...
So your result isn't yet known? @SuperstarMonica
15:55
@Evinda Most of my results are not known. And I suppose there are very few persons that know to deal with them and probably no one with the stuff from my top research.
So will you publish them? @SuperstarMonica
@Evinda Many are included in my book, but there are also proposed problems and articles with them.
@Evinda I don't plan to publish all I get, but just a part because some of the results can be used in many places and I prefer to first explore all their potantial. Some of my tools are extremely powerful.
@SuperstarMonica What is your book about?
@Evinda About techniques of calculating integrals, series and limits, most of them coming from personal research. It's far from being a usual book, at least if referring to the problems in it.
@SuperstarMonica Haven't we talked about it before that you want to write a book? :)
16:00
@Evinda Here is an example
@Evinda one has to be very trained and experienced to deal with such problems.
Yes, I agree @SuperstarMonica
@Evinda I think we talked in the past a couple of times about it.
@Evinda It's what I call the art of mathematics. I mean I have nothing to do with solving in the usual sense, but I attend the art of mathematics which is far different.
While one is happy or very happy for solving a problem, I'm happy or very happy onlywhn I manage to bring the art in my solutions, to turn the problems and solutions into masterpieces.
So you are Chris's sister (or something similar) , right? @SuperstarMonica
@Evinda Yeah.
@Evinda Soon I'm going to be I'm an artist :-)
Do many people buy your book? @SuperstarMonica
16:04
@Evinda I never think of that. I'm only interested to be a loved, helpful book. It's not published yet (it's on the way to be).
@SuperstarMonica A I see
BBL (I have to give some food to my dogs)
A ok... @SuperstarMonica See you
16:34
Hi @AndrewT.
Hellu @MikeMiller!
how's it
Pretty good, had my first proper lecture today in Lie Theory, essentially a recap of elementary manifoldtheory.
And you?
s'good. Got work to do that I'm putting off for the second.
Do you still have courses? In which case, which courses?
16:45
I have to take more before I graduate but no, I'm not taking any right now.
How many courses do you need?
I think I need 4 more. I have time, especially given we're hiring a new topologist next year and he'll probably teach interesting stuff.
Ah, cool. You need like 8 courses in total for your whole graduate studies?
12. I mostly took courses my first year.
oh, thats more than in norway, i think. if i recall correctly you have 6 courses for msc, then one year for msc thesis, then if accepted to a phd program here you need 2 courses in addition to your thesis.
(where the phd lasts for 3 years, 4 if you are hired with a year of teaching.)
16:51
Quarters, not semesters. We have three terms in a year.
That in mind our requirements are not far off.
Ah, I see.
@Idle001 Because I wasn't here :(
17:07
@AndrewT: So you're doing Lie theory and...? (Also, what's that class going to cover?)
Lie theory (miside.uib.no/fs-cron/download/141866688/LieGroup.pdf), a course in K-theory that I don't know enough about to say what its going to cover, and my bsc-thesis which counts as a course.
3 courses a semester a Norway for normal progression.
Ah, you're going to lose me about halfway in.
Yesh, I don't know much beyond point 5.
If interested, here's the corresponding list for K-theory (again, I have no idea) miside.uib.no/fs-cron/download/141935512/litteratur.pdf
@robjohn Well, Asaf Karagila's troll, apparently :)
Looks fun.
17:19
Hope it will be
Me and other non-PhD students are currently having a crashcourse in simplicial methods before the real thing starts.
@MikeMiller @Huy Do any of you know any decent measure-theoretic probability books? Not Billingsley.
@AndrewT: What in particular? Just what simplicial sets and simplicial homotopy and weak equivalences and all that are?
@Clarinetist: I don't.
@MikeMiller Yup, we've just had one lecture and didn't get too far, but that's the idea.
@BalarkaSen Fun problem for you: Let $X$ be a connected CW complex and $Y$ be a $K(G,1)$. Then any group homomorphism $\pi_1(X)\to \pi_1(Y)$ is induced by a map $X\to Y$.
@AndrewT: What are you learning from it?
17:24
Hatcher chapter 2.A. :) I have already done this.
Oh shit, it's from hatcher? :/
@iwriteonbananas: You have better than that... The map inducing the homomorphism is unique up to homotopy
Blegh
@MikeMiller Oh yeah, you're right
I forgot to mention that above
But I actually don't think I know the proof of that.
This can alternatively be done by the representability of $K(G, 1)$, I think.
17:26
@MikeMiller So far we have essentially only covered simplicial objects and the simplicial identities, however some time in spent on analogues (i.e. do this and that and you can recover this and that which you know well.)
@BalarkaSen from 4 years ago?
@BalarkaSen What do you mean by that?
$[X, K(G, 1)] \cong H^1(X; G) \cong \hom(\pi_1(X), G)$.
Only for abelian $G$.
work relatively: $(X \times I, X \times S^0)$
17:27
By the way, I can't find this in 2.A in Hatcher
I think I'm going to write coursenotes in LaTeX this semester. Should be doable now that I have few courses.
@iwriteonbananas OK, fair enough. But there's still a bijection for nonabelian $G$.
@BalarkaSen You're right, for abelian $G$ that's another proof
Mike told me this.
What? No way
17:28
@iwriteonbananas You need to know what the isomorphism is, by the way. But it's easy to see that from Yoneda lemma, I believe.
I know the isomorphism, you told me before
send $f$ to $H^n(f)(u)$
and $u$ is the element corresponding to $id_G$
under various iso's
Right. But one proves that there is an isomorphism by classification, and them proves this later using Yoneda. I forgot I sent you the pdf.
Right, somehow one gets a cohomology theory from homtopy classes of maps going into some classifying space
this idea of working relatively actually proves that $\pi_n \text{Map}(X,Y)=0$ for $n>0$, provided $X$ is connected.
and there's a massive generalization due to Thom.
I just randomly saw that in Hatcher, but didn't read the details
17:31
@iwriteonbananas Something spectra something something homotopy theory something
@BalarkaSen Exactly
Huy
Huy
@Clarinetist nope, I've never read a measure theory or a probability book
@MikeMiller Sigh
:P
@BalarkaSen Are you sure it was in section 2.A? That's the Hurewicz section
Oops, 1.A.
17:40
@BalarkaSen $G$ be a group, $\varphi:G\to G$ an automorphism. Then $\varphi$ is induced by a homotopy equivalence $f:K(G,1)\to K(G,1)$. Prove that the mapping torus $T(f)$ is a $K(G\rtimes_{\varphi} \Bbb Z,1)$.
Urk. I'll have to think.
Is this hard to solve?
I am bookmarking this, then.
Will talk to you after 9th next month.
17:42
Let me give you a hint: $T(f)$ is homotopy equivalent to a Serre fibration over $S^1$
looks apprehensively at the number of chat messages he has bookmarked
This gives you solvability of some lifting problem
@iwriteonbananas Oh.
You'll need to use that a couple times.
But then you should be able to do some fibration long exact sequence trick, no?
17:43
Oh, I'm not sure, don't know about that
The fibers over $T(f) \to S^1$ given by projection are $K(G, 1)$, right?
Doesn't that tell you $\pi_1$ is an extension of $\Bbb Z$ by $G$ and all higher $\pi_n$'s are $0$?
I don't know
You have the LES $\cdots \to \pi_n(K(G, 1)) \to \pi_n(T(f)) \to \pi_n(S^1) \to \cdots$.
The first term is $0$, third term is $0$, hence the middle is too for $n > 1$.
For $n = 1$, you have
$\pi_2(S^1) \to \pi_1(K(G, 1)) \to \pi_1(T(f)) \to \pi_1(S^1) \to 0$.
Which is $0 \to G \to \pi_1(T(f)) \to \Bbb Z \to 0$
So the only nontrivial part is that this splits.
17:48
$\Bbb Z$ is free
Ah, well!
So you're done.
removes bookmark
Sweet, I didn't know that one has such a LES
the proof w/o it is much more involved lol
At least now I know I haven't forgotten math.
Good job.
Did you finish all your exams, @BalarkaSen?
17:51
@AndrewThompson No, they are approaching fast. 1th Feb.
@iwriteonbananas: The long exact sequence of a fibration is just an algebraic repackaging of the homotopy lifting property. You might as well take the LES as an exercise.
@MikeMiller Cool, I'll see if I can prove exactness
I mean, your first job is to write down the maps that change degree. But exactness is important too I suppose.
By the way, @BalarkaSen, from that exercise it follows that the group $G\rtimes_{\varphi}\Bbb Z$ has vanishing $\ell^2$-Betti numbers (those are defined as the ones of the classifying space). All $\ell^2$-Betti numbers of mapping tori are zero.
@MikeMiller Oh, yeah
17:54
@iwriteonbananas Interesting.
Why what?
You only made one claim: that the $\ell^2$ Betti numbers are zero. I could only have been asking about that.
Right, sorry. The classifying space of that group is a mapping torus. It's a theorem which was proved in my course that mapping tori have vanishing l^2 betti numbers.
Why is the last sentence true?
I forgot the details of the proof, it was rather lengthy
I can email it to you if you want
18:02
I was hoping for a sketch of the relevant ideas. It's fine.
sorry, my memory fails me :(
@MikeMiller @Huy How about graduate-level analysis? Not Royden
18:29
@MikeMiller question. how much (elementary) index theory do you know? i thought i remembered you bringing up some of it at one point, but i could be wrong
18:40
@Semiclassical: Depends what you mean by that.
yeah, that was pretty vague
Hi @Semiclassical
Are you familiar with differential equations?
operationally, yes
by which i mean: for calculations, yes. for rigorous theory, less so
@Semiclassical I have a question that is related to a Cauchy problem
i probably can't help if it's a question of existence/uniqueness
18:44
Yes it is such a question
Ok no problem @Semiclassical
@MikeMiller I'll phrase it like this, stealing some phrases from Wikipedia's page on Fredholm operators
Let $\psi$ be a complex continuous function on the complex unit circle $\mathbb{T}$ and let $T_\psi$ denote the Toeplitz operator with symbol $\psi$, equal to multiplication by $\psi$ followed by the orthogonal projection $P$ from $L^2(\mathbb{T})$ to the Hardy space $H^2(\mathbb{T})$. Then $T_\psi$ is Fredholm on $H^2(\mathbb{T})$ iff $\psi$ has a well-defined winding number i.e. $\psi\neq 0$ on $\mathbb{T}$
(whew)
sure, that sounds reasonable
right. not anything strange
what i'm wondering about is the non-Fredholm case.
what does that mean?
well, let me give an example. take $\psi(z)=z+\alpha^2z^{-1}-\lambda$
18:55
Sorry, I'm really looking for what you mean as opposed to an example
yeah, but an example is the easiest way for me to clarify :/
if $\alpha$ and $\lambda$ are 'small enough', then $\psi$ winds once around zero and so $T_\psi$ will be Fredholm
if $\lambda$ is large enough, then $\psi$ won't wind around zero and so $T_\psi$ will still be Fredholm but of a different index
Sure, I see what you're asking. I don't know a coherent description of "wall-crossing" in this context (what happens when you pass between components of the Fredholm operators).
I'm sure there is one.
well, I kind've know about it. but I'm looking for something even a little more special
usually, 'wall-crossing' is the right description in that (\alpha,\lambda)$ parameter space since the boundary is 1-dimensional
but suppose two of those lines cross at some point.
Then you don't cross there. :)
19:02
Such a crossing can be perturbed so that you cross the other walls transversely, and the effect on the index is given by doing the others one at a time. There's not really much of a mathematical reason (if you're only interested in 1-parameter families) to try to cross there.
not convinced by that, mostly because I know some aspects of said example
but that's not quite what I'm asking
what i really want is just terminology
There probably isn't any established terminology for moving between chambers in a non-transverse way.
is there an easy way to describe the "non-Fredholmness" of the usual wall-crossing case versus their intersection?
I think I know what word I'd use in physics from Seiberg-Witten stuff that i don't really know---it'd be a Douglas-Argyres point.
In any case, if there is, I don't know any. :)
hmm
I think it should be something simple, like a nullity or something
but i gotta go teach, so i should probably leave this off for now.
19:18
actually, i don't start until 1:25. so i have a few more minutes to ramble :P
i guess maybe all i'm looking for is that the 'non-Fredholm' subsets of that parameter space are 'usually' codimension 1, but it's not impossible to have sets of codimension 2
whether they matter is a different question, but they certainly can occur
20:18
Any hints for calculating the number of tenary strings of length n where the number of 1's are divisible by 3?
Let $x\in\mathbb{N}\Rightarrow$ be even. How do I prove that "x^2 is odd" ==> "x is odd" without proving the contrapositive?
If $x^2$ is odd, then it is not divisble by 2
So $x$ is not divisble by 2
So $x$ is odd
20:33
@Krijn Yes, but I want to prove it with sumbols
How can I do that?
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Q: Integral Inequality (CDFs and PDFs)

ClarinetistSuppose I have a function $g \geq 0$ defined by $$g(x) = \int_{-\infty}^{x}f(t)\text{ d}t \geq 0\text{, }x \in \mathbb{R}\text{. }$$ I know for a fact that $g$ is right-continuous and nondecreasing. Is this enough to show that $f \geq 0$? If show, I'm not sure how to prove it. [For those of ...

If $x^2$ is odd, then $x^2-1=(x-1)(x+1)=(x-1)((x-1)+2)$ is even. Since both factors have the same parity, they're both even and $x$ must be odd.
This problem shouldn't be this difficult
didn't
though i'd like it even better if you could replace $2^{-n}$ with any $t^n$ such that the series converges :)
20:45
@Semiclassical I have that formula. :-)
i'm tempted to do an emoticon war, but i think i'll refrain from that temptation :>
20:48
:-)))
@Semiclassical do you want me to calculate for you a particular value?
nah, that's fine :)
(for that series)
OK :-)
@Semiclassical Sorry but I don't follow the last part of the argument
the second sentence?
20:58
okay. first, $x-1$ and $x+1$ have the same parity i.e. they have the same remainder when divided by 2
i.e. one is odd iff the other is odd as well
Oh my. I didn't expect that to be a measure theory problem :/
@Clarinetist i thought it might be, since a discontinuity in $g(x)$ should correspond to a point mass in $f(x)$
@macurie and if they have the same parity, then their product also has this parity.
No wonder why in undergrad probability, they just always assume $f$ is continuous
But what's confusing is they use that result when $f$ isn't continuous as well
Fun
I have a theoretical meta-math question that I would like to ask. Since Gödels first THM states that there is no formal proof system to satisfy all of the following; 1. there is an algorithm to test if a sequence of sentences is a formal proof, 2. every true sentence is formally provable, 3. every formally provable sentence is true. How would it satisfy all three if there were only FINITELY many sentences unprovable in a system such as Peano Arithmetic?
and since $x^2-1=(x-1)(x+1)$ is even, we conclude both $x+1$ and $x-1$ are even. so $x$ is odd.
21:04
@Semiclassical Thanks!
@Semiclassical Where would I even begin?
by talking to a measure theory person! (aka not me)
Lol
Dang, I didn't expect such a simple claim to require measure theory
well, it may or may not require measure theory
Oh boy
21:07
but it does have to be a bit subtle since your PDF could contain point masses
actually, maybe it's enough to subtract off those point masses? that amounts to splitting your CDF into a continuous part and a sum of step functions
though admittedly that also smells of measure theory to me, since it sounds like the Lebesgue decomposition of a measure
@Semiclassical I got a hint. Assume to the contrary that $f < 0$ at some set with positive measure
And now this is all way beyond my head
All I remember is something about measure zero sets being countable
i think that'd prevent $g(z)$ from being non-decreasing
but this is the kind of formal stuff that i'm not great at
Hah, I know absolutely nothing about this
I will just ignore this for now, and come back to it after measure theory
I'm gonna have to, or I'll go insane lol
well, you could specify that any hints not use measure theory :)
Well, here's the problem with this
It isn't true that $f \geq 0$
It is, however, true that $f \geq 0$ almost surely
which means, yep, measure theory. WOO @Semiclassical
21:17
heh
I'm glad I have to learn it for my job
I'm just reviewing undergrad probability before I tackle grad-level analysis and then measure theory
@Semiclassical something spectacular ...
@Hippalectryon ^^^
A bit of brilliance I would say!
Or
To be clear we talk about a different level here
that's pretty crazy. neat, but crazy :)
@Semiclassical This is nuts
I think your background is enough. If we denote this interval with $[a,b]$ (where $f<0$) and $λ(a,b)>0$, where $λ$ denotes the Lebesgue measure then we have $g(b)=\int_{-\infty}^b f(t)dt=\int_{-\infty}^af(t)dt+\int_{a}^b f(t)dt<\int_{-\infty}^af(t)dt+λ(a,b)max_{x\in (a,b)}f(x)<\int_{-\infty}^af(t)dt+0=g(a)$ which violates the assumption of nondecreasing. It was necessary in the above calculation that $λ(a,b)>0$. Otherwise there would be no problem. — Jimmy R. 9 mins ago
Make it simpler: $$\int_{a}^b f(t)dt < \int_{a}^bmax f(t)dt=\max f(t)\int_{a}^bdt=(b-a)\max f(t)$$ So, if $b-a>0$ and $f(t)<0$ for all $t$ in $(a,b)$ this is negative. — Jimmy R. 1 min ago
I wouldn't have thought to do a proof by contradiction lol
@Semiclassical how about this one?
Wait, something is not good there!
Subtract $\zeta(3)$ inside the brackets such that the integral wouldn't blow up.
Now all is perfect!
Suppose $f:\Bbb R \rightarrow \Bbb R$ such that $f'(k) > 0$ and $f''(k) < 0$ and also $f(0)=0$. How do I know $f(k) > f(0) + kf'(k) = k'f(k)$ ?
It was in an econ proof
So we let out $\operatorname{Li}_3(x)$ for all the presented integrals (the nice behaviour is controlled $\zeta(3)$).
21:59
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Q: An elegant integral $\int_0^1 \frac{\text{Li}_2(x) \log ^8(1-x)}{x} \, dx$

Superstar MonicaI discovered a new family of integrals and I wanted to ask you all if you know how to compute such integrals or it is time to write an article about them. Are they known with higher powers of log? The solutions are optionalas usual. $$\int_0^1 \frac{\text{Li}_2(x) \log ^8(1-x)}{x} \, dx$$ Do we...

22:13
@StanShunpike $\forall k$ ??
@JeSuis On est bêtes avec cette histoire de formes multilinéaires ._.
@Hippalectryon why ?
Il suffisait de prendre $f([a,b],[c,d])=ad$ et $g([a,b],[c,d])=cb$
Et donc ?@Hippalectryon je ne vois pas où tu veux en venir...
22:24
@JeSuis C'est un exemple de $f(x,x,\dots,x)=g(x,x,\dots,x)\forall x,f\neq g$
(enfin ici c'est bilinéaire, mais on généralise facilement)
Pourtant le résultat est vrai...
Euh O_o qu'est-ce qui ne va pas avec le contre exemple alors ?
Je ne comprends pas ton contre exemple en fait...
Ce sont bien deux fonctions bilinéaires vérifiant $f(x,x)=g(x,x)\forall x$ non ?
Tu prends $f$ la forme bilinéaire tel que f(x,y)=ad pour x dans [a,b] et l'autre dans [c,d] ?
22:33
$x,y$ sont des éléments de $R^2$ par exemple, de composantes respectives $(a,b)$ et $(c,d)$
$f(x,y)=ad,x=[a,b],y=[c,d]$
@Semiclassical my research reveals amazing results right now! It's about very complex form of series.
ah ok et elles sont linéaires en chacune des variables ??
J'ai pas l'impression
(Reseau de la fac bug... Dsl)
@SuperstarMonica publish it :D
@JeSuis Bah $f(mx,y)=(ma)d,f(x,my)=a(md),f(x+w,y)=(x[0]+y[0])d=f(x,y)+f(w,y)$ etc non ?
@Hippalectryon helpless :-( $$\int_0^1 \frac{\text{Li}_4(x) \log ^{2016}(1-x)}{x} \, dx,$$
On peut voir le latex aussi sur le tel ?
22:45
@JeSuis :D
@JeSuis Ca dépens des navigateurs, essaye
@JeSuis math.ucla.edu/~robjohn/math/mathjax.html section For Troublesome Mobile Browsers
@SuperstarMonica That doesn't look easy at all :(
@Hippalectryon what makes it difficult if you dont mind?
Bof, ca fonctionne pas.
@SuperstarMonica Everything ? Haha :P no seriously I have no idea how to deal with that polylog 4 here
Je résule tu prends une application $f$ de $R^2\times R^2$ tel que $f(x,y)=abscisse de x fois ordonnée de y.
Donc pour f(x+z,y)=f((a+e,b+f),(c,d))=(a+e)d ?
22:52
@Hippalectryon :-)
@JeSuis oui
Et que vaut f(y,x)?
:D
bha si!
@JeSuis cb pas da. Mais non, tu avais juste dit bilinéaire. Pas symétrique.
J'avais dit une forme n linéaire symétrique sur R
Sur E un R-ev**
Jan 12 at 23:17, by JeSuis
si tu as deux formes n-linéaires sur E un R-ev, as t-on si f(x,x,....,x)=g(x,x,...,x) alors f=g ? @Hippalectryon
22:59
N'ai-je pas ajouté symétrique après ? Si la réponse est non, alors désolé.
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