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20:01
Got it, thanks
I have no idea what that even means
is that some kind of piece wise thing?
Huy
Huy
it's a cheat similar to AYBABTU
@TheGreatDuck $\delta_{p,q}$ equals $1$ if $p= q$ and $0$ otherwise
@Huy I'm tired :(
Huy
Huy
:P
I was hoping there was something less cheat-y
20:03
@TheGreatDuck There is don't worry :P
@TheGreatDuck (we can assume that $x$ is an integer right ?)
Yes
although negative is a possibility
The "x" upper limit will end up being floor(x) later on. I was just simplifying the nomenclature so it wouldn't be as difficult to read.
The general idea is that the sum should be equal to floor(x)^2
@Krijn Universal coefficient theorem is nice. The proof is ucky though, make sure you understood the details.
universal coefficient theorem?
what's that?
20:08
a coefficient theorem which is universal :D
@TheGreatDuck $x^2=\sum_{n=0}^x(2n-1-\frac{1}{x+1})$
That's correct?
@Krijn Here's something interesting about cohomology which does not hold in homology (well, does not hold literally). $\varphi, \psi$ be $k$ and $l$-cochains, i.e., elements of $C^k(X; R)$ and $C^l(X; R)$. Then define a $(k+l)$-cochain $\varphi \smile \psi$ as follows: $(\varphi \smile \psi)([v_0, \cdots, v_{k+l}]) = \varphi([v_0, \cdots, v_k]) \psi([v_k, \cdots, v_{k+l}])$.
Yes, if $x$ is an integer greater or equal to $0$
So you have a map $C^k(X; R) \times C^l(X; R) \to C^{k+l}(X; R)$.
20:11
What about negative?
although, I suppose I can just interpret that as a negative sum
@TheGreatDuck $(-x)^2=x^2$. But remember that any sum from 0 to something <0 is 0
oh... True
that is true
@Krijn You can in fact prove this descends down to a map $H^k \times H^l \to H^{k+l}$ at the cohomology level. Thus, you can define the graded ring $H^*(X) := \bigoplus H^n(X; R)$ with ring structure this map (called the "cup product")
So cohomology is a stronger invariant than homology, because it admits a ring structure.
in that case, I can split my series between pos and neg.
that would be logica
@Hippalectryon nice mouse pointer.
20:15
@BalarkaSen Only when I hover images
Interesting, I never noticed that the mouse pointer goes like that when one hovers over the formulas in W|A. Hence naturally assumed you set it as default.
@BalarkaSen It's not specific to WA. I just checked, it seems to be the default 'you have hovering a clickable object' cursor on my computer
So if I expand it near zero that's the same thing as thinking about big oh with x->0?
@BalarkaSen Ah yes, I peeked through that, how cohomology is in fact more structured than homology
20:20
I think there might be a problem @Hippalectryon
Seems so weird when you first learn about it
I placed it into wolfram and subtracted floor(X)^2. It said the result is 2.
It is kind of weird. But the analogy I make is that simplices cannot be multiplied, but ring-valued functions over simplices can.
It very clearly says the result of the sum is floor squared minus 2.
Also, the argument that Hatcher uses about the difference between $X \to X \times X$ and $X \times X \to X$ makes sense, which hints at a difference in structure
Yep, contravariance is a possible explanation too. But that's for you algebraists :D
That's why
you gave me 2n -1 - the fraction
XD
It's the same
The one I have satisfied myself with is the above. "Formal things cannot be multiplied, but ring-valued functions over formal things can (by multipying values in the ring)"
1-1/(x+1)=-x/(x+1)
20:23
@BalarkaSen I did not completely understand how the group $G$ in $H^n(X, G)$ should be interpreted
Well my Input is the same and it shows otherwose
one moment
hi, could someone here tell what categories of math best describe this questions codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/69354/…
One of the projects is on homology with coefficients, so that should clear it up a bit
Not sure what you mean by interpreted.
@Krijn Are you sure it's not "Homology with local coefficients"?
20:25
@MikeMiller Yeah I have the list right in front of me
Project 1: Homology with coefficients and the universal coefficients theorem for homology
wat
wolframalpha.com/input/?i= Sum[2i+-1+-+1%2F%28x%2B1%29%2C{i%2C0%2Cx}]
Coefficient $G$ just means you're looking at $G$-valued cochains.
@BalarkaSen Yeah, but what is the meaning of this $G$
I mean, I can calculate the cohomology groups
@Krijn: Weird.
20:26
@TheGreatDuck ._. my bad, it's +1/(x+1) not -/(x+1)
But I do not really understand what we are calculating in such cases
Which does give in the end -(x/(x+1))
What does homology with $\Bbb Z$ coefficeints calculate?
Thanks!
20:27
It's a generalization to $G$-modules, instead of $\Bbb Z$-modules.
Harder to visually compute, but there are tricks.
The relators in $G$ make the (co)homology group different.
So is it standard to take $G = \mathbb{Z}$? Or why are some groups $G$ interesting?
Why would someone want to calculate $H^n( X, \mathbb{Z}/2\mathbb{Z})$?
Looking at different groups tells you different things. You might not distinguish spaces with Z coeff.
But you might with Z/2 coeff, maybe.
It works perfectly. It gives no graph, but it is removing the jumps from the floor squared. Thanks. @Hippalectryon
@TheGreatDuck :-)
The corollary in Hatcher is nice
20:30
Is anyone willing to be patient enough with me to help me prove $\lim_{x \to 0}\dfrac{1}{x}$ does not exist?
@BalarkaSen: Do you have an answer for me?
@Clarinetist compute values closer to 0 when approaching from the left, and when approaching from the right
@Krijn I'm talking about $\delta$-$\epsilon$.
None of that graph business
@Krijn So, e.g., RP^2. H_2(RP^2; Z) = 0, H_2(pt; Z) = 0. This doesn't tell you whether RP^2 is homotopy eq to pt or not. But you can tell the difference looking at H^2 itself but with Z/2 coeff. H_2(RP^2; Z/2) = Z/2.
@MikeMiller Oh yeah. Hang on. Back to thinking.
@Clarinetist There's no actual difference.
20:32
@BalarkaSen Ah I did compute those indeed.
I just have no idea how to work with the negation of the $\delta$-$\epsilon$ definition, that's all @MikeMiller
@Clarinetist: Write down the statement of the definition for me?
So, we get a more powerful instrument when we can compute using the general case $G$ instead of just the case where $G = \mathbb{Z}$
@BalarkaSen What is this universal coefficient theory?
25 mins ago, by Balarka Sen
a coefficient theorem which is universal :D
20:33
@Krijn You get a different instrument.
On a serious note, google is your help.
@Krijn Not necessarily powerful. When we look at all the $G$'s, then yes.
Okay, $\forall \epsilon > 0$ $\exists \delta > 0$ such that for all $x \in \mathbb{R}$ satisfying $0 < |x - 0| < \delta$, $|1/x - L| < \epsilon$ if this limit existed. The negation should be something like $\exists \epsilon > 0$ such that for all $\delta > 0$, there is an $x$ satisfying $0 < |x| < \delta$ which implies that $|1/x - L| < \epsilon$ for all $L \in \mathbb{R}$?
@MikeMiller How is it different? The only difference is that in one case, we can still pick $G$ and in the other case we always pick $G = \mathbb{Z}$?
20:34
two sentences into that and my brain hurt. I'm gonna wait on that subject. XD
How do I find $x$ and $\epsilon$, that is the question
@Krijn: It's different in that you literally get different invariants.
$H_2(\Bbb{RP}^2;\Bbb Z) = 0$. $H_2(\Bbb{RP}^2;\Bbb Z/2) = \Bbb Z/2$.
This is something that I was quite frankly not taught very well when I took analysis
@Clarinetist: Actually, here's the first trouble. $1/x$ is not a function $\Bbb R \to \Bbb R$.
Yeah, so one instrument is a sub-instrument of the other instrument
If that makes sense
20:35
@Krijn No.
@Krijin No.
You want to look at all the $G$'s, again.
Not just a particular one.
I'm confused
Well, actually, I guess. You can indeed get the other homology with coefficients from homology with $\Bbb Z$ coefficients. But not in a straightforward way.
@MikeMiller Okay, it's $\mathbb{R} \setminus \{0\} \to \mathbb{R}$. But I still don't get it.
@Clarinetist: Then it's continuous.
20:36
I'm saying that we do want to look at all the G's
Right. Then that collection of invariants is obviously more powerful.
As you have $G = \Bbb Z$ as a special case.
I'm not seeing the point here. Obviously it's not defined at $0$, so you're basically saying that since it's not defined there, it has no limit by default? @MikeMiller
Ah, yeah, thats what I am calling my tool
Yeah we are on the same note, I'm just terrible at wording this
Right. But note that it's not a single invariant.
@MikeMiller That would make sense though.
20:37
It's a lot of invariants
hello, if $f:E\rightarrow F$ is continuous and $A\subset E$ how to prove that if f is bounded on $A$ then f is bounded on $\overline{A}$ ?
Right.
@Clarinetist: OK, no, you're asking two different things. You can still say "What is the limit $\lim_{x \to 0^+} 1/x$? That makes sense. (The limit does not exist, or it's $\infty$, if you like.) But that's not important, because continuity says "For every $x$ in the domain, epsilon delta blah blah"
$0$ is not in the domain. So limits as things go to zero do not make any difference on continuity.
But I'm gonna go back to grading Group Theory
I'll lurk in the background for a moment
20:41
@Vrouvrou Use the definition of continuity on a point of the frontier of $A$
@MikeMiller So you're basically telling me that rather than proving $\lim_{x \to 0}1/x$ doesn't exist using the negation of $\epsilon$-$\delta$ definition, it makes more sense to prove inequality of the one-sided limits?
Oh, one last thing @BalarkaSen or @MikeMiller, I see how we could use cohomology to distinguish different spaces, what are some other uses of cohomology?
If I can show that a function $f(x)$ is a solution to a differential equation, then why should I have to show that it is the solution to a differential equation with initial value problem $y(o) = -1$?
I haven't really been able to delve into applications of cohomology :(
I mean, if it's a solution to the differential equation, then isn't it automatically also a solution to the initial value problem?
20:43
@Owatch Because when you integrate, it's going to differ by a constant
@Krijn You can distinguish more finely than homology. Also, you can define orientation in TOP.
TOP?
Orientability of topological manifolds, I mean.
Bare topological manifolds, with no smooth structure whatsoever.
... what
How?
Eh, it's technical. You use local orientations. If $M$ is a $n$ dim topological manifold, then given a point $x \in M$, local orientation at $x$ can be thought of as a small sphere rotating clockwise or counterclockwise about it. Rigorously, it's the generator of $H_n(M, M - x)$ (isomorphic to $\Bbb Z$ by excision, so precisely 2 choices for orientation). And then you choose local orientation at each point continously.
20:46
Whenever I have time I'm gonna work through chapter 3 of Hatcher
I always thought (could be wrong) that you're just replacing the tangent bundle by the orientation sheaf or something. But @MikeMiller can feel free to pick on me if this is not right.
Uh, alright. Well. Since the equation (solution) was $y = sinxcosx - cosx$, then am I to simply show that $y(0)$ is indeed $-1$, since it asks to show that it is the solution with initial value $y(0) = -1$?
So, $-1 = -1$, done?
@Krijn It's on chapter 3.3.
Great!
@Owatch Yeah. The constant is going to then be $0$ in that case (since you add nothing to that equation to get your initial condition)
20:48
f in continous on x then $\forall W\in \mathcal{V}_{f(x)}, f^{-1}(W)\in \mathcal{V}_x$ @Hippalectryon
@Clarinetist Cool, thanks.
@Owatch If it were $y(0) = 0$ for example, you would have $y = \sin(x)\cos(x) - \cos(x) + 1$.
No problem
@Clarinetist Now what you could say is "There is no continuous extension of $1/x$ to a function $f: \Bbb R \to \Bbb R$". This is true, because if there were, then $\lim_{x \to 0} f(x) = f(0)$, but the thing on the left doesn't exist
@Vrouvrou That's clearly wrong. Take $f(x)=1$, then $f^{-1}(1)=\Bbb{R}$
The one-sided limits don't even exist.
20:49
@MikeMiller OH, I see
Thank you
@Hippalectryon $\Bbb R$ is an open set of $\Bbb R$.
@BalarkaSen Yes, that's essentially correct.
I have heard the term sheaf so often the last few weeks :(
But my class on Algebraic Geometry starts next month
Not cool, for the moment I have no idea what it means
20:51
@BalarkaSen and ? Clearly $\Bbb{R}$ is not a subset of a neighbourhood of some value of $\Bbb{R}$
@Hippalectryon why \{1\} is a ngbh of 1 ?
@Krijn This is in some sense not far from asking "What are the applications of partial derivatives?" The answer is almost "Literally everything is an application of cohomology". Finding obstructions to the existence of sections of a fiber bundle. Classifying vector bundles. Intersection numbers.
@Hippalectryon Isn't Vrouvrou just saying preimage of open sets is open?
Oh and also, cohomology is dual to homotopy.
Yes, that's right. Homotopy, not homology. :D
@BalarkaSen No, he's saying that the preimage of elements near $f(x)$ are near $x$
That's a completely worthless and meaningless statement unless you explain it, unless Krijn is excited by strings of words he's heard before.
20:53
@BalarkaSen What?!
Nevermind.
@MikeMiller Well, that's the statement you stated when you first explained me why one would want to study cohomology before homotopy!
Did we not construct cohomology by just turning the arrows in homology
I'm just passing on that proverb.
@Krijn Yes, as bizzarre it might sound. Here's a baby case.
@Vrouvrou Let $f(x)=1\forall x$. According to your definition, since $f$ is clearly continuous at $x=0$, take a neighborhood $]-a,a[$ of $0$ and we'd have $\forall x\in]-a,a[,f^{-1}(x)\subset],a,a[$
20:54
@Hippalectryon No, he's saying that the preimage of a neighbourhood of $f(x)$ is a neighbourhood of $x$.
@Hippalectryon i said the preimage of ngbh of f(x) is an agbh of x so it is also right for the preimage of an open containin f(x)
@BalarkaSen I sure hope not, but I'll take your word for it.
@Vrouvrou That's correct. (Except that one says "continuous at $x$", not "on $x$".)
@Krijn $[X, S^1]$ be the set of all (based) maps $X \to S^1$ upto (based) homotopy. This is naturally a group : $f, g : X \to S^1$ be two maps. Then define $f \times g : X \to X \times X \to S^1 \times S^1 \to S^1$, where the first map is inclusion into diagonal and the third is the usual multiplication coming from top. group structure on $S^1$ (check this is well-defined upto homotopy).
I wish past me had said "Because you really want to be able to use cohomology for certain parts of homotopy theory".
20:55
Fact: $[X, S^1] \cong H^1(X; \Bbb Z)$.
thank you @DanielFischer , but how to use the fact that f is bounded on A
@DanielFischer Oh damn I am tired today :( thanks
Huy
Huy
:P
@Hippalectryon Bonne nuit ;)
@Vrouvrou Anyhow, use the definition that makes norms appear. The epsilon-delta one. Then it should be straightforward
20:57
@Vrouvrou What are $E$ and $F$?
i have no indication on E and F juste two topological spaces
@Vrouvrou Then what does "bounded" mean? There are definitions of "bounded" for metric spaces, and for topological vector spaces, but as far as I know, not for arbitrary topological spaces.
@Krijn There's a generalization for $H^n$, but I am not going to state it.
@BalarkaSen I think even this is a bit too advanced for me at the moment
In other news, I passed my algebraic number theory class and my elliptic curves class, which is nice.
I can explain if you want. But if you want to learn this later, sure. I think proving that isomorphism is an exercise in chapter 3.1, iirc.
@Krijn Congrats!
21:02
Algebraic Number Theory is really nice, you should read up on that
I definitely plan to.
Although make sure your galois theory is on point
@DanielFischer you are right
Galois theory is my favorite part of algebra. It's just covering space theory :) But I do need to revise bits later on.
@BalarkaSen: It's probably worth it for you to know that when $G$ is not abelian, there is still a notion of $H^1(X;G)$; it's a set, not a group. (To define this all it takes is care when writing down what a cocycle is and what it means to be a coboundary.) Then one still has bijections $[X,K(G,1)] = H^1(X;G) = \text{Hom}(\pi_1(X),G)$.
21:03
it is a mistake ?, if it is a metric space how we do @DanielFischer please
@MikeMiller Quick question (I know approximately what Balarka does), what do you do in mathematics?
Ah, interesting.
I am asked to find the values of $r$ in which the function $y = e^rx$ satisfies differential equation. $2y`` + y` - y = 0$.
I have found them.
But then it asks me to show that $y = ae^{r_1 x} + be^{r_2 x}$ is a solution as well...
@Owatch It's a linear equation, so the superposition theorem applies
Well, I have $r_1$ and $r_2$. They are $\frac{1}{2}$ and $-1$.
Superposition theorem?
21:06
Any linear combination of solutions is a solution
Okay, but then what am I to show in this second part of the question?
@Krijn I study analytic topology.
I can substitute in $r_1$ and $r_2$, and I get some simplified formula of $2be^{-x} = 0$
But is that all?
@MikeMiller Is it bad if I do not know what analytic topology is/
Well, it seems pretty obvious since it's linear. Just plug in $y=ae^{r_1x}+be^{r_2x}$ and verify that it works for all $a,b$
21:09
I don't know what analytic topology is either.
That's probably because I made the name up.
That is what I have done.
But I think it's the best description. What's analytic number theory?
@BalarkaSen I just start a mooc on galois theory :D
21:09
I got what I have above. $2be^{-x} = 0$
It's studying number theory questions using analysis.
I guess It should become zero?
= 0
You plugged in the solution and got that ?? You've probably made a mistake somewhere
I have, I spotted it and fixed it/
21:10
I had substituted in and not distributed a negative.
@Vrouvrou By continuity we have $\overline{A}\subset f^{-1}(\overline{f(A)})$. Now all you need is that for a bounded set $B\subset F$, the closure $\overline{B}$ is also bounded.
Grading really makes you wonder sometimes about the competence of some people
Although it could also mean that I'm just bad at teaching
Hello Hello
How are we @BalarkaSen
21:16
@BalarkaSen: Do you have an answer for me?
I don't know.
Whats up
@MikeMiller Still thinking.
@DanielFischer i must prove this ?
@Vrouvrou It may be that that is already known. But it's not hard. In a metric space, recall what the definition of a bounded set is. It is straightforward to show that the closure of a bounded set is bounded.
21:23
I am again asked to find what values of k the equation $y = cos(kt)$ satisfies $4y`` = -25y$.
I have differentiated $y$ to the second order.
And performed the substitution. But it appears to have no real roots.
@BalarkaSen: I have to go, and this isn't worth thinking about forever. I told you this before. For the "immersion" case (that is, when $df_p$ is injective), the correct assumption is that the image is complemented.
$4(-cos(kt)*k^{2}) = -25(cos(kt))$
For the submersion case, it's that the kernel is complemented.
@Owatch So you want $4\cdot k^2 = 25$. Not too difficult.
$cos(kt)(-4k^{2}) = cos(kt)(-25)$.
And so yeah, $4k^{2} = 25$.
21:26
Er, I am not sure where that assumption is used.
I have to solve for K ^
Anyways, that isn't a clean answer.
It's going to be $\sqrt{\frac{25}{4}}$
@AliCaglayan Studying.
So $k = 5/2$
@BalarkaSen How is school and related things?
Well. Have exams next month.
21:28
Oh, yeah..
And don't forget, of course, $-5/2$
I had, thanks.
@BalarkaSen Then look again.
Better yet, look at the beginning of Lang's manifolds book.
Now what's the correct statement of the inverse function theorem for Frechet spaces?
Hm, ok.
tries to recall the definition of Frechet spaces from past life
There's only a slim chance you were a mathematician in a past life though
21:31
There is a positive probability however.
But pretty slim. I am not even a mathematician in this life :P
Lang starts a manifold book with categories O_o
@BalarkaSen: Email me - chat keeps crashing
Completely metrizable topological vector space. You are free to assume that the metric is translation-invariant (that is, $d(v,w)=d(v+h,w+h)$
Then you still have a notion of derivative, same way you do for Banach spaces, just using a choice of metric instead - derivative doesn't depend on the choice of metric
Canonical example is $C^\infty([-1,1])$
I'm going to head to bed soon though, so probably tomorrow. And thanks, I follow that definition.
(What Lang book?)
No need to think too much about this, just guess
In case anyone here wants to offer any wisdom...
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Q: Spivak's Limit Example

ClarinetistConsider the function $f: (0, 1) \to \mathbb{Q}$ defined by $$f(x) = \begin{cases} 0, & x\text{ irrational} \\ 1/q, & x = p/q\text{ in lowest terms.} \end{cases}$$ The problem is to show that $\lim\limits_{x \to a}f(x) = 0$, using $\delta$-$\epsilon$, for all $a \in (0, 1)$. That is, for all $\ep...

21:37
@BalarkaSen Jeff Lee's book has an appendix on categories
It's there for "physicists and engineers"
Not the book I was thinking of, but it works fine. I wouldn't learn from it. It is sometimes amusing to check back on it to see the relevant statement for Banach manifolds.
He does not cover Frechet manifolds.
You have a guess for me on the above so I can hit the road?
Nope, don't think so.
The answer was "There isn't one, at least without massive changes to the assumptions". See here. Given massive changes to the assumptions, there is one, which is extremely useful, known as the Nash-Moser theorem. See here.
I'd think the same statement for Banach works
Is there such a thing as a mathematical property that removes the breaks from a step function such as x*floor(x)?
21:41
Look back at the proof of the inverse function theorem at some point and see how crucially it uses the norm at various points that wouldn't work if you just had a metric.
@TheGreatDuck 'breaks' ?
Oh, good point.
I should have figured that. Feel stupid.
There is no reason to feel stupid here.
21:42
the graph of a step function leaps every now and then. Is there a known way to remove those jumps while preserving the rest of the functions rise and rate
@Clarinetist Take $x=1/2$, then $f(x)=1/2$ thus $\lim_{x\to 1/2}f(x)\neq0$
like if one took the steps and pieced them together touching rather than seperated
@TheGreatDuck So basically smoothing it ?
no, connecting it
This is why people don't usually develop the differential topology of Frechet manifolds: it's much harder to do. The only place I know of where this is done seriously is some notes by Andrew Stacey, and Peter Michor's big book.
21:43
Interesting. Where is this stuff used?
Which stuff specifically?
m.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=x*floor%28x%29&x=0&y=0 See how it is seperated?
(And, y'know, just in case you want to learn it alongside finite-dimensional manifolds, here ;) )
The inverse function theorem for Frechet manifolds.
I thought I wasn't going to get references.
Look at the book and you'll see why I linked it.
PDEs, mostly. The most famous application is probably the Nash embedding theorem.
For most PDE applications you really only need Hilbert space implicit function theorems, or maybe if you're in real trouble, Banach.
21:46
@MikeMiller Lots of analysis.
Oh, cool.
@Balarka: I was thinking more along the lines of "There's no chance you'll read it"
@Hippalectryon do you see what I'm saying?
While I did scringe my nose at that, don't be so sure. My faith is shifting slowly from algebraic topology to analysis.
@TheGreatDuck yes
scringe is a word?
21:48
Shit, if you have the patience for that book, feel free.
That's on my list of "I should really do this at some point. Maybe before I die. Maybe after."
@TheGreatDuck Done, the gaps that you still see should be numerical errors i.imgur.com/iePxlEl.png
Take $f_2(x)=(x-E(x))x+E(x)E(x+1)/2,E(x)=\lfloor x\rfloor$
@Hippalectryon I'm guessing it probably doesn't exist anywhere defined as I can't really find anything through Google.
Umm... You made it curved.
Sounds like I need to know a lot of analysis and finite dimensional smooth topology before getting to that.
21:51
@BalarkaSen Personally, I would probably learn analysis you might actually use every day...
Basically between $n$ and $n+1$, your initial function goes up by $n/2$ @TheGreatDuck so I did what you suggested, I added the pieces together $f_1(x)=f_1(E(x))+(x-E(x))x$
I mean, keep in mind that I care about this more than most and I'm pretty ehhh on reading that thing
Right, I was merely joking.
just to bridge these two conversations (albeit only slightly)
one way to get a continuous approximation to something like $\lfloor x \rfloor$ is by Fourier series
that's because $x-\lfloor x \rfloor$ is 1-periodic
@TheGreatDuck thus $f_1(x)=f_1(E(x))+(x-E(x))x+\sum_{k=1}^{E(x)} f(E(k+1))-f(E(k))+f(0)= f_1(E(x))+(x-E(x))x+\sum_{k=1}^{E(x)} \frac{k}2=f_1(E(x))+(x-E(x))x+E(x)E(x+1)/2$
21:54
Actually the change in each jumps is n. I'm aware of the solution for that particular example. I'be been trying to shoehorn these together. My question is rather if there is a general operator or property that has been well defined somewhere. I.E. I can read something up on it.
The example was just a quick example of a step function with breaks
m.wolframalpha.com input/?i=x*floor%28x%29+-+1%2F2floor%28x%29%5E2+-+floor%28x%29%2F2&x=0&y=0
ok, I'd better head to bed now, G'night all.
@TheGreatDuck The change in each jump between $n^+$ and $(n+1)^-$ is $n/2$, not $n$
I gave you x*floor(x), right?
it changes by x, because floor(X) jumps by 1, which means 1*x = x.
21:57
That's why I put $n^+$ and not $n$
If you prefer, on the segment between $x=n$ and $x=n+1$, the function goes up by $n/2$. That doesn't include the 'jumps'

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