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go to bed again @BalarkaSen
Why would I? 5 hs sleep is sufficient for me.
Huy
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your health says otherwise
eh? I did not even use to sleep before. Trying to fix this.
Back to calc.
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back to bed
nope, sorry.
have you been able to recall the heegaard decomposition question?
00:04
@BalarkaSen, may I ask you a question on open sets and the Laplacian?
@Khallil You can, but there's no guarantee that I would be able to answer it.
A harmonic function $f : U \to \mathbb{R}$ where $U$ is an open subset of $\Bbb{R}^n$ is a twice continuously differentiable function over $U$ that satisfies Laplace's equation $\nabla^2 f = 0$.
What's the significance of $U$ being an open set, @BalarkaSen?
I'm guessing it's to do with differentiation of some kind, but the specifics are currently hazy to me.
Eh, I am not really familiar with harmonic functions to answer that.
Not to worry! I'll try and figure it out :-)
Thanks for giving it a look-see, @BalarkaSen ^_^
I would not think there's anything to do with differentiability. Usually in calculus domains of your functions are open subsets of $\Bbb R^n$ because all open subsets of $\Bbb R^n$ are homeomorphic to $\Bbb R^n$, so you don't have to deal with limit points, etc while working.
00:12
How would limit points pose problems?
But then I don't know if something special fails about the Laplacian if your domain is not open.
@Khallil The limit points don't have decent neighborhoods. Any nbhd of the limit point intersects both the interior and exterior.
Yep, I see what you mean. I'm not entirely sure why either. In all the books I've seen, only one has mentioned that the domain may not necessarily be open, whereas the others have only mentioned that it's open.
Is that like a boundary point, @BalarkaSen? (One that may be in either a set or it's complement or the boundary of both)
It may not be open, but you have to deal with some trouble if it's not. As I said, open domain is the same as R^n domain.
@Khallil By limit points I mean the points in the boundary of the closed set, yes.
Oh yea, does homeomorphic mean that there's a function between $U$ and $\Bbb{R}^n$ that's invertible, @BalarkaSen?
there's a continuous bijection between $U$ and $\Bbb R^n$ such that there is a continuous inverse, yes.
By the way, by open set, I mean connected open set.
00:17
Simply connected?
Just connected.
Ah I've not encountered that before. The math world definition mentions induces topologies which I've not a clue on so far. Is there an intuitive definition for a connected open set, @BalarkaSen?
Of course, disconnected open sets need not be homeomorphic to R^n (R^n is connected).
@Khallil Connected means it cannot be written as union of two disjoint nontrivial open subsets.
For if it were the union of two open subsets, we could find a small "gap" between the two so it wouldn't be connected, @BalarkaSen?
E.g., $(0, 1) \cup (3, 4)$ is an open but not connected as a subset of $\Bbb R$. But $(0, 4)$ is.
@Khallil That's the intuition, but what I wrote is a definition.
00:25
@Khallil: How do you differentiate when you're not in an open set?
The boundary points are all that which causes trouble.
Ok, so you're suggesting... only define the derivative on the interior? ;)
My main problem is that I'm yet to study more general differentiation than in the single real variabled vase, @MikeMiller. ^_^"
@Khallil: Well, then who's to say what a harmonic function even is? :P
@MikeMiller Well, there's where it is defined.
@Khallil Look at a single variable example. $f : [0, 1] \to \Bbb R$ be a function. What's the meaning of derivative of $f$ at $1$?
00:29
I mean, I've seen partial differentiation and the Laplacian involves second partial derivatives which may be treated as differentiating single variable functions w.r.t their only variables.
@Balarka: So you're saying... it's only defined on an open set. I think that is a more fundamental statement than "You have trouble with limit points".
We wouldn't be able to define the right hand limit, so we can't find the derivative at $1$, @MikeMiller.
I haven't seen the multivariable extension of the concept of right and left limits in higher dimensions.
@MikeMiller Ok, fair enough.
Exactly, @Khallil. You need a small neighborhood around the point to define the derivative. Same is true in higher dimensions.
The definition of open set is "every point has a small neigborhood inside the set".
Yep, I've seen that definition! That leads me to the one text where the domain of a harmonic function was said to not necessarily be open, @MikeMiller. In such a case, how would one define a derivative where the neighbourhoods of the points on the boundary aren't totally enclosed in the domain?
00:32
@Khallil: Oh, so what was your original question? I thought it was "Why do we take the domain of definition to be open?"
Sorry, that was it! My follow up was the question I just typed, @MikeMiller ^_^"
(Thanks for the help btw, @MikeMiller and @BalarkaSen!)
@Khallil: Given a good type of subset ("Codimension 0 submanifold with boundary") you can define differentiability, and the derivative, as follows. A function is differentiable if, around each point, there is a small neighborhood on which you can extend the function such that the extension is differentiable. (This definition makes sense for any subset.)
Then the derivative is just the derivative of this extension. This is where you need the subset to be good - this needn't be uniquely defined unless your subset is good.
Anotjer way of saying the above condition is "Closure of an open subset such that the boundary is a smooth, codimension 1, submanifold." If you're interested in this condition you can ask Balarka about it.
In practice the most important such subset when you're working with the Laplacian is the closed ball. In particular, the closed unit disc in $\Bbb R^2$.
Ok, that definition is coherent but perhaps a bit silly. Nobody cares about such a thing.
Nobody cares about the domain not necessarily being open?
No, nobody cares about defining harmonic for a generic subset. They do for certain non-open subsets; like the closed unit disc.
Like, you won't find people talking about harmonic funxtions on the Cantor set. Or at least not many. :)
In order to suit the particular function and situation they're working on?
(There are probably a few out there!)
00:41
Can you make the question you just asked self-contained? I don't really understand it.
the mental picture of people working with harmonic functions on cantor set is quite hilarious.
Oh sorry! I meant so do people only care about defining harmonic functions on certain domains to suit a particular problem (e.g. a PDE) that they're working on, @MikeMiller? (Not a very important question.)
@BalarkaSen, could you tell me more about codimensionality and submanifolds in an intuitive sense?
@Khallil: I would be very surprised if it wasn't a domain that was something like a manifold. Occasionally they allow looser conditions on the boundary; Lipschitz instead of smooth.
I recall the word smooth being thrown around a lot without much definition. I presume it involves infinite differentiability so that there aren't any kinks here and there, @MikeMiller?
@Khallil Loosely speaking, manifolds are subsets of $\Bbb R^n$ which are locally graphs of smooth functions.
So, $X \subset \Bbb R^n$ is a $k$ dimensional manifold if for any $x \in X$, there is a ball $B$ around $x$ such that $B \cap X$ is graph of a smooth function $\vec{f} : V \subset \Bbb R^k \to \Bbb R^{n-k}$
They are nice subsets of $X$, in the sense that you can't find local pathologies (they are locally just like $\Bbb R^k$!).
Codimension $m$ means dimension $n - m$. So codimension $1$ manifolds are dimension $n - 1$, 1 dimension lower than the euclidean space it lives in.
00:55
@Khallil: Yeah. Unit disc has smooth boundary. Interior of Koch snowflake doesn't.
oh. yeah.
hi @ForeverMozart.
look my hat
That's wicked stuff. So you locally intersect a subset of $\Bbb{R}^n$ with a ball at any point and you'll get the graph of a smooth function. Did you mean nice subsets of $\Bbb{R}^n$ as opposed to $X$, @BalarkaSen?
Koch snowflake is extremely pathological, in the sense that it's nowhere differentiable, let alone smooth. Smooth means it cannot even have a single singularity.
@Khallil Yes. And oops, yes, I meant nice subsets of R^n.
00:58
May I ask how submanifolds come into play here? Are they simply subsets of manifolds, @BalarkaSen?
Well, submanifolds of $\Bbb R^n$ are just subsets of $\Bbb R^n$ which are manifolds :)
Oh wicked!
where is the link to the free Springer books?
(there is a notion of submanifold of a manifold: $N$ a subset of manifold $M$ is a submanifold if $N$ is "naturally" a manifold, in a sense that the manifold structure is induced from $M$).
But I am not going to state this rigorously.
WHERE IS THE FREE STUFF
PLEASE
01:03
If you download it all, it comes up to a hefty size, @ForeverMozart.
12GB total?
Thanks for the help, @BalarkaSen and @MikeMiller!
Yep, that's how large it was in total, @ForeverMozart. I used JDownloader to fetch them all.
No problem. If you want to read stuff about manifold, recommend Ted's book on multivariable calculus.
01:05
It's pretty late here. I'm off! Good night all! ^_^
god i would crash trying to download 12GB
I have a copy in my room at university, @BalarkaSen. I'm at home now unfortunately!
Thankfully the library had it. :-)
Does anyone here know any details about the Springer book giveaway?
01:07
its probably illegal
Anywho, although I really wanna stay up and talk about more wicked manifold stuff, I'm off.
cool, @Khallil
g'night
Peace!
springer did not post it on their main webpage, so I doubt they shared it
@ForeverMozart: so they just left it open to everyone for lulz or something?
01:23
@Balarka: Well, what does "subsets which are manifolds" mean? The Koch snowflake can be given the atructhre of a smooth manifold, given that it's homeomorphic to a circle.
@MikeMiller I didn't say subsets which are manifolds. I said subsets which are manifolds in a natural way. To give a rigorous defn one needs to know the chart-language, I just didn't do it rigoriusly.
(as Khallil only asked for an intuitive definition)
Was just commenting on this; hadn't read ahead. Sorry for jumping the gun.
No problem. I know one of the ways you kill spare time is by dogpile-ing me for incorrect/vague statements. :P
Dogpiling. And I only do it to make sure you understand things correctly and that whoever you're talking to does too. Sometimes everyone understood; sometimes not.
I know, I appreciate it (e.g., I had never thought why the proof that every f.p group is a 4-fold group doesn't work for dimension 3). I was simply joking.
01:57
@Balarka: You might like this. I think the current answer is not at all in the spirit of the question.
Wait, it's past your bedtime.
@MikeMiller sigh. As mentioned before, I have slept for 12-5, I am not gonna sleep anymore.
@MikeMiller Well, finding roots of the equations explicitly is certainly one way to do it.
It's elementary in the sense in the OP but far from easy. Not in the spirit.
you dont feel like it
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03:35
Hello!
Hola!
@MikeMiller what exactly does a curvature transfornation do to a vector field on a Riemannian manifold?
We have good timing, it seems, coming in at the same time
Hey guys.
@Stan: What's a curvature transform?
03:38
Hello everyone!
I think I figured out how to do the problem I was trying to do, but I am not looking forward to the actual computation of it…luckily, I think Wolfram Alpha can help
@JulianRachman Hi. What're you working on?
It's not too complicated but for a high school student like myself who hasn't even taken a calc course yet, integrating piecewise function with a bunch of absolute value stuff thrown in sounds a bit tedious since it has to be split into so many pieces
@Balarka Got Munkres for Christmas so I have been working on that as well as finding a way for me to formulate my proof of Higman's Lemma.
You?
Yay, two more votes on one of my questions and I get my first gold badge! \(^^)/
03:47
@JulianRachman What are you working on in Munkres?
I am just trying to get some calculus done.
Nothing too fancy.
(also, thinking a bit about this).
@RudytheReindeer Merry Christmas :) Enjoy the gold badge.
I don't know anything about the Baire Category theorem, but I figured you deserved a goldy for your well-designed question.
@RudytheReindeer A rather interesting application of Baire category theorem is that there is no continuous bijection $\Bbb R^n \to \Bbb R^m$ for $m > n$. In particular, space-filling curves cannot be injective. I don't see this mentioned in the answers oddly.
@Balarka: Remind me of the argument?
Sure. Assume $f : \Bbb R^n \to \Bbb R^m$ is some continuous bijection.
Then $f : B^n \to \Bbb R^m$ restricted to some ball $B^n$ (for some interval $I$ in $\Bbb R$) is a map between compact Hausdorff spaces, thus is an embedding. $f(B^n)$ is homeo to $B^n$.
$f(B^n)$ has to be nowhere dense, as if it was not, then it'd contain an $m$ dimensional ball inside, which is not possible. Now cover $\Bbb R^m$ by images of balls by $f$.
But BCT says countable union of nowhere dense sets has empty interior. This is impossible.
Hrm, actually, I think I need an argument for showing that an m-ball cannot fit in an n-ball.
@Balarka Currently I am finishing review of General Topology and will be going into Algebraic Topology next week.
Spivak for Calculus?
04:03
@JulianRachman ok. review local connectedness + quotient topology then.
Those are needed for algebraic topology.
Alright. Will do.
@JulianRachman No, I mean multivariable.
Also, the Penrose post is something I am not familiar with.
And I meant Spivak's Calculus on Manifolds
@MikeMiller Well, that an m-ball cannot fit in an n-ball for m > n is just a direct consequence of invariance of domain.
So there you go.
@JulianRachman Ah. No, I am not studying that book.
04:08
@JulianRachman Can you construct a continuous map $\Bbb R \to \Bbb R^2$ which is surjective?
@Balarka: Good. :) I forgot that $m>n$ was the hard one.
@Julian: If you want hints, feel free to ask.
@MikeMiller That's a pretty neat result. I wonder what the general version for cartesian closed categories are.
googling
@Balarka I will take a hint. Although I think I can do something involving a basic space-filling curve.
04:21
I would have to know what a Cartesian closed category is. But I imagine it's the same.
@JulianRachman Well, surjective continuous maps $\Bbb R \to \Bbb R^2$ are precisely the space-filling curves, by definition. I am essentially just asking you to construct a space-filling curve.
@Balarka Oh. So like take $F:[0,1]\to[0,1]^2$ to be a space-filling curve?
@MikeMiller iirc, it means it has a terminal object, product objects, and function spaces.
(what was the name for function spaces in arbitrary categories?)
Terminal objects are part of products.
If there is an epi A -> Hom(A,B) then for every map B -> B, there is a map from the terminal object to B that makes the diagram commute.
Is how one, I suppose, would phrase it.
Hm.
@JulianRachman I don't know what that means. Space-filling curves = functions $[0, 1] \to [0, 1]^2$ which are surjective continuous.
By definition. So no idea why you are mentioning that name.
04:25
My bad
No problem. Now construct one!
It's a fun problem. Think about it for some time if you want. I can give you a hint.
I'll take a hint
That is pretty mean. Did you really construct a space filling curve on your own at first?
@JulianRachman Hint: $C$ be the cantor set. Construct a surjective continuous function $C \to [0, 1]$.
@MikeMiller No, but after sufficient hints from Ted. That is why I am offering a hint!
It's not an easy problem.
I probably couldn't have done it without it being a carefully guided exercise... but I'll leave you be
04:28
Sure, I have more hints to offer :)
One needs to know a fact about cantor set, after which the problem becomes apparent. But I do not know if Julian already knows it.
I also, BTW, have no idea what you're going for with your hint. So I think it is probably not sufficient.
@BalarkaSen Wait. Isn't $C\to[0,1]$ $\mathbb{R}\to\mathbb{R}$?
Not $\mathbb{R}\to\mathbb{R}^2$?
And isn't the cantor set defined within $[0,1]$?
The domain of $C$ would correspond surjectively to the interval $[0,1]$. However if we take it to $C\to[0,1]^2$, we may transform the function into $C\to[-1,1]^2$ by transformation and scaling. If we take the action between two cantor sets, it would be within $[-1,1]$. That is as far as I go.
^ It is probably full of "mumbo-jumbo"
Yeah, not sure if I understand what you're trying to say. But how are you modifying the surjective map $C \to [0, 1]$ (assuming we have found one) to a surjective $C \to [0, 1]^2$?
That's a good idea, but you need to provide the correct construction.
Suggestion: don't ponder over too many things at once. First, write down a surjective map $C \to [0, 1]$. Get this done, and then move on to $C \to [0, 1]^2$.
@Balarka I am just lost now. Tell me.
Don't expect that you'd finish it in a day. It took me a lot of time to figure out what could be the continuous surjective map $C \to [0, 1]$ possibly be.
Just keep it in your head, ponder on you free time.
(as a small hint, do not forget how we construct the cantor set)
Alright, will do.
@Julian: Just so you know, I gave you this exercise to make the point that concrete stuff can be fun. Homotopy theory maybe an important tool, but there are a lot of less abstract math out there which are equally fun. Space-filling curves give rise to a lot of geometry & topology - they were a part of Thurston's program.
@Balarka I fully understand and I thank you for exposing me. I will think about it and will give it my all. And as a side note, would algebraic geometry be a good subject for me to have a little more of a concrete experience?
While still connecting it to other abstract things that I am interested in?
04:56
(well, not literally a part of Thurston's program, but they are indirectly related).
@JulianRachman But algebraic geometry is quite abstract.
Well not "as" abstract.
No, it's as much abstract as homotopy theory is, depending on what "algebraic geometry" means (varieties or schemes?). And it requires a lot of background too, or so I have heard.
Well any suggestions for concrete things that I might enjoy?
If you are algebra-minded, but enjoy some geometry (i.e., visual thinking) and want to see category theory lurking behind the scene, I'd say Galois theory.
Galois theory *studied from Artin :D
Awesome. I'll check it out.
05:02
@Stan: Not sure what you mean by "what does it do to vector fields". At every point, R(v,w) is a linear transformation, and that's what it does to the vector field at that point.
@Balarka: Abstract as the tools may be, to many algebraic geometers, the goals were quite concrete.
I wonder how successful schemes would have been if Grothendieck didn't have a Serre and Deligne and Dieudonne to ground him.
@Julian And Galois theory is a big branch. After you have learnt the basics, there is an immense amount of math you can learn from pursuing it (algebraic topology/algebraic number theory).
*are quite concrete.
@Mike Where do you think I should start in learning Algebraic Geometry?
@Balarka Have an reference advice other than Artin?
@MikeMiller but they write R(u,v)w
It acts on w
So what I am asking is
@Stan: $R(u,v)$ is a linear transformation $T_x \to T_x$, and $w$ is an element of that. That's what I was saying above.
05:07
But like....what does transforming w tell me about curvature?
@Julian: Dunno. Maybe Reid, undergraduate algebraic geometry? But I am not the right person to ask.
@Stan: Curvature in the intuitive sense?
@MikeMiller in the parallel transport sense
Can you be more specific?
@JulianRachman Hm. Maybe Dummit-Foote, but it's not as good.
Artin has a chapter on algebraic geometry too. Admittedly it's not too much, but he talks about Riemann surfaces and uses it to motivate some Galois/field theory.
(and I second Reid, but I think one should know some algebra beforehand)
Yeah. I looked at Reid and it is just quick and to the point.
05:15
@MikeMiller Uh.....as I understand it, the Riemann curvature tensor measures the noncommutativity of two vector fields. So if I take R(u,v), this measures the non commutativity of these two vector fields u and v. But the Riemann tensor is rank 4, so it requires 4 inputs correct? I am having trouble underatanding what the additional two inputs are for.
@MikeMiller I get the idea visually
If you ask me, I think Galois theory is worth spending the time than algebraic geometry. One reason is that it's more fundamental, but another is that Galois theory is broader than algebraic geometry. It can be the entry point of topology, number theory or algebraic geometry.
@JulianRachman The reason Reid is good is not that it's quick, but that it has a lot of concrete examples and geometric motivation (and of course, a lot of exercises).
@Stan: Well, it takes two inputs, really, and spits out a linear transformation $T_x \to T_x$. This linear transformation is "the other two parts" - one the input, one the output.
Excellent. I would recommend that without even looking at it, if it's Reid's.
I think complementing Artin with that lecture note of Reid would be the idea way to learn Galois theory. You can definitely try that. I just had a look, and the note's very concrete.
@MikeMiller in what sense is the linear transformation the other two parts? You mean if I take a vector then $w$, it maps it to $R(u,v)w$ and those are the "other two parts"?
05:23
@Stan: Yes. When we talk about the rank of a tensor, remember that tensors come in two parts. Some people call them covariant and contravariant, but I like to call them vector-like and form-like. An (m,n)-tensor takes m vectors as input and spits out n vectors as output. It has rank m+n - we add up the number of parts of the tensor of all kinds, vector-like and form-like.
The curvature tensor is a (3,1) tensor. It takes 3 vectors as input and spits out one vector. The first two input vectors are u and v. When we put those in, we now have an endomorphism of each tangent space - a (1,1)-tensor. That is, we plug in w, and we get the last bit, R(u,v)w.
When you (ughhhhhh) write this in index notation it's $R^{a}_{bcd}$. What this means is that if $\{e_i}$ is a basis of the tangent space, this is the coefficient of $e_a$ in $R(e_b,e_c)e_d$.
The fact that I have to sat "The coefficient of $e_a$ in..." is what gives it the right to increase the rank by 1.
@MikeMiller I love that description "vector-like" and "form-like". Sounds so much better.
Okay so.....that last part is how we go from 3 to 4 rank
@Stan: The one negative to this name (which I don't think is standard since I made it up) is that you have to remember - while forms are skew-commutative in their inputs, general tensors are not. If $T$ is a (2,0)-tensor there's no reason the number $T(u,v)$ should have much anything to do with $T(v,u)$.
I say "Form-like" because each index acts like a 1-form - it eats vectors.
Yeah. rank is the total number of vectors involved. Three as input, one as output. A (3,2) tensor (roughly) has 3 vectors as input and 2 as output so has rank 5.
(Really it has an element of $T_x \otimes T_x$ as output which is a finite sum of tensor products of vectors but whatever.)
@MikeMiller in what context did u learn this? Or is this just part of every mathematician's tool kit?
This meaning Riemannian geometry type stuff
In a Riemannian geometry class, I guess.
In practice I did not like that class, learned some Riemannian on my own outside of it, and picked up a lot more while reading stuff either about or using Riemannian geometry.
I am not the model of how to learn it. (Also, I wouldn't say its part of any mathematician's toolbox. Just those who work near geometry.)
05:41
It's cool but I havent seen it used for anything besides GR
What is gauge theory a part of? QFT?
Well, I was able to find and use the method I suspected existed, unfortunately the ratio of time to accuracy is bad so it's not really worthwhile…I guess knowing what doesn't work is progress, eh?
@Walker23: Yup!
So I have to compute some definite integrals, and finding the indefinite integral is very simple, but unfortunately it seems like I'm going to have to split it into around 30 intervals for the indefinite part…that sounds like fun
I ought to figure out how to do it in Excel so I can just plug in numbers
@MikeMiller I am not qualified to talk about srrious physics, but i can tell u what i think i know
The most obvious gauge symmetries are thsoe in electromagnetism
05:52
Is "serious physics" a thing? :P
But they are used througout QFT and thats where the name gauge boson comes from
(joke)
Lmaoo
For example, I believe they use gauge symmetries somehow to show how photons manifest in the elecromagnetic interaction
@Stan: I was asking because you need a Riemannian metric to make sense of a lot of gauge theory.
Ahhh interesting
Hmmm....I have never seen it mentioned in my QFT books
05:55
:(
@Stan: Dunno, I am not a physicist.
In fact, I have had no luck figuring out what a gauge covariant derivative is
You need a metric to write down the Yang-Mills equations, say.
Well, then maybe that's where it comes into play. DavidZ is the guy to ask I think. He does QCD in the hbar
I am now curious
I think I'll ask him
Ok. The string theorists also care, I think. But I only care about them when I'm writing fellowship applications.
05:59
Lol
@MikeMiller what are Yang Mills equations?
I still dont understand that.
Do you want the definition, or...?
@StanShunpike wiggles ears
@BalarkaSen haha
@MikeMiller I want a version of it for some one with my limited mathematical abilities
This is approximately how I learn math - overhearing conversations.
So yes a definition
06:01
Given a $G$-bundle (usually $G=SU(n)$; sometimes $G=U(n)$, sometimes $G=SO(n)$; to me usually U(2), SU(2), of SO(3)) on an n-manifold, you can define a connection A on it.
An affine connection?
Probably.
@BalarkaSen not a bad way to learn! You can do a lot of that here
You can define the curvature of this connection, a 2-form, roughly. The Riemann curvature tensor is a special case of this.
@StanShunpike Indeed.
06:04
Then $A$ defines a covariant derivative $d_A$. You can take its adjoint $d_A^*$. The Yang-Mills equation is $d_A^* F(A) = 0$, where $F(A)$ is the curvature of $A$.
This is the same as saying that $A$ has harmonic curvature, whatever that means.
We needed the metric when I took that adjoint.
@Balarka: I see, so because we never talk about calculus in here, you never learned it...
completely lost, and gives up
@MikeMiller Right. On the other hand, I am doing some exercises from chapter 6 right now.
Can you prove the inverse function theorem?
runs off
Not yet, I have just finished reading/doing exercises in the chapter on Banach fixed point theorem!
I plan to know the proof today.
Tired of being stuck at chapter 6.
06:08
Is this @TedShifrin 's book?
@Stan: Don't worry about the above. :)
No no
I meant about proving the inverse function theorem
LOL
@StanShunpike Yes.
@Stan: Oh, I've been asking him if he can prove that for six months now.
Jeeez thats a long time!
06:10
Maybe only three. But at least that.
I think I found a typo on Ted's book.
@MikeMiller I dont know a lot about adjoints. Why do we take the adjoint of the covariant derivative. What useful properties does that give us compared with the original $d_A$
Also, have u heard of the book Exterior Analysis by Suhubi?
I got a copy over the summer and it's a really nice book! Best intro book to the subject ive ever seen
"Any increasing (or decreasing) function certainly has an inverse, even if we are unable to give it explicitly (e.g., what is the inverse of the function $f(x) = x^5 + x + 1$?)." I think that $+x$ should have been $-x$. Not a big typo, if it really was, though.
I do NOT think that should have been a -x.
Er, you are right, sorry. Nevermind.
06:14
@Stan: Forget $A$. The Laplacian on functions is $d^*d$, where $d$ is the exterior derivative. In general we define a Laplacian on forms by $dd^*+d^*d$. A form is harmonic iff $d\omega = 0$ and $d^*\omega = 0$.
(we're looking at $x^5 + x + (1 - y) = 0$, not $x^5 + x + 1 = 0$. Not completely awake yet).
If you're convinced it's natural to ask whether something is harmonic, you're convinced $d^*$ - and especially its kernel - is interesting.
Of note wrt the above discussion is that $d_A F(A)=0$ is one of the Bianchi identities. So all we have left to check to see if something has harmonic curvature is $d_A^*F(A)=0$.
This is super helpful but I will need to study what u said on my own before I can decide what I do and do not understand
On a slightly unrelated note, I am confused about a basic point in John Lee's book Riemannian Manifolds
Sure. Just remember that my rate is $50/hr. The bill will be in the mail.
Go ahead. ;)
Hahahah probably be worth it. Cheaper than the amount of time I spent lmao
Opportunity costs
We want to think of a geodesic as a curve in $M$ that is "as straight as possible." An intuitively plausible way to measure straightenness is to compute the Euclidean acceleration $\ddot{\gamma}(t)$ as usual, and orthogonally project it onto the tangent space $T_{\gamma(t)}M$
@MikeMiller I'm not really following how this helps me decide if a path is as straight as possible.
06:27
Huh? Are our manifolds subsets of $\Bbb R^n$?
Yes
Sorry
Sure. I hate that book. :)
Lol u like do Carmo?
@Stan: Look at the degenerate case. When is that always zero? Precisely when the curve is a straight line.
Then how big that is should measure how far it is from actually being straight.
@MikeMiller but what does projecting it into the tangent space do for us?
06:29
I like this french book, don't remember the names of the authors. Hulin, Lafontaine, ...? But it's in the Springer book dump.
@Stan: I want a number, not a vector in $\Bbb R^n$. If I don't, and my curve is in a submanifold, how can I even make sense of it as inherently something about the manifold?
Did you learn a little about curves in 3-space in calculus?
Oh, proof of IVT is very clever.
@MikeMiller love 3-space
@Stan: Go back to curvature there and look at how it's defined - it's pretty much the same as here, I think.
The other reason we do this is probably that we want it to be parameterization-independent.
I guess it is true that if $f : U \times V \subset \Bbb R^{n+k} \to \Bbb R^n$ is map such that $f(-, \vec{y}) : U \to \Bbb R^n$ is a contraction mapping for every $\vec{y} \in V$, then the map $g : V \subset \Bbb R^k \to \Bbb R^n$ which sends $\vec{y}$ to the unique fixed point of $f(-, \vec{y})$ is continuous?
I would guess so. But you should prove it. (Just not me...)
06:39
Awesome, thanks @MikeMiller
@Stan: That last explanation is a little weak because you caught me in a spot where my understanding is a little weak, but strong enough that I can't just say "Iunno".
@BalarkaSen What book are you reading on that, if I may ask?
Theodore Shifrin, "Multivariable Mathematics".
Amusingly, I opened one of my math books today and I had scribbled part of a convo in the side of the book
It read
"Stan: I am trying (and struggling) to learn about wedge products" "Ted: Looks like your wedged between a rock and a hard place!"
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@BalarkaSen Thanks. (I have also noticed the answer reading again your messages, sorry).
06:45
@StanShunpike lol.
And with that, I must be off! Good night y'all. exits, stage left
07:12
hi.. any probability people here?
07:24
@Lembik I am a probability novice.
@idonutunderstand oh well :)
@idonutunderstand depending on what you mean by novice of course
In all probability I can't answer your question.
np :)
07:30
I'm considering making a blog to record the results of my studying, but it an absolute tedium trying to write latex on wordpress.
Huy
Huy
why?
Why record it or why is it tedious?
Huy
Huy
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Everytime I write something I have to put $latex blah &bg=ffffff&fg=568800&s=0$.
Huy
Huy
then you're doing it wrong
07:33
Enlighten me then lol.
Huy
Huy
google is your friend
Well, I didn't come up with that myself. I googled it in the first place.
Huy
Huy
ok, sorry that your googling skills don't suffice
07:51
don't be mean Huy
pot calling kettle
Huy
Huy
I AM A FREE MAN I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT
@Huy with that policy, human civilization would have long been destroyed.
@Balarka: He wasn't being mean to you. I would have been fine with that, of course.
ok finished AA 1-4 time for bed

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