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Oh, I guess I've had this discussion with you before.
@Huy: try having a look at the comic I mentioned in your free time. surpasses killing joke.
Huy
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in my free time
what free time
you're claiming you have no free time?
Huy
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maybe
true or false depending upon the definition of free time.
Huy
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21:06
maybe
@BalarkaSen: I actually have a movie recommendation I hardly recommend to anyone.
only to people who seem to have a very similar taste
(because I don't like recommending something that someone doesn't like)
did you see any Lynch movies?
what's that movie?
@Huy nope.
Huy
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the movie is really weird as most of his movies I guess
never seen a movie like it
but I don't know yet if you'll like it ._.
what's it about
Huy
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I have no idea
I don't even know if he himself knows what it's about or if he just figured "ok this is so weird everyone will think it has a deeper meaning and will argue about it"
Hell yeah david lynch
Watch lost highway
Huy
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21:13
yes
that's the movie
I think I mentioned it to Mike before
like a year ago.
one of my faves
Huy
Huy
same
huh, ok.
@BalarkaSen last time maybe like year ago i was on this chat, you were also there, and saw you worked on munkres topology, you progressed a lot, which text are you working on now?
Huy have you seen naked lunch
Huy
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21:14
wat
you mean from dragon ball???
no I mean the movie
Huy
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:P
there's also a book I haven't read
Huy
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no I haven't sorry
oh I get the joke now.
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21:15
so you have seen Dragon Ball !
I forgot her name was lunch
Huy
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yeah everyone only remembers Bulma ......
Bulma is the most boring woman in dragon ball
@OFFSHARING hope you're doing good, 2016 seems like an exciting year for you, when will your book be released? and what about the journal you talked about? have fun, good luck :)))))
Huy
Huy
all women are the most boring women in dragon ball tbh
21:16
the android is awesome tho
Huy
Huy
lol
how does she even pregnant though
DONT ASK
@JulianRachman hey there, long time no see ya
bleh, don't think i care for that movie
Huy
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Kuririn is a magician
@BalarkaSen: your loss
21:17
@user153330 I'll change the math world. ;)
"Edwards Scissorhands" is great, for anyone who cares.
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I actually had to watch Lost Highway for music class. The only time I had to watch or read something that I enjoyed in high school, I think.
How have you decided in the past minute.
@user153330 Well, yeah, that's true. It's kind of a little secret this point, but it is going to happen ... (maybe faster than expected)
@Huy: "Kururin"
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21:18
@MikeMiller u wat m8
@MikeMiller went quickly through the plot in the wikipedia article :P
Uh, ok.
Huy
Huy
@BalarkaSen: wtf.....
@user153330 I sketch the ideas of the journal, but these days I worked more on some absolutely amazing results in the area of seres involving Fibonacci numbers.
I sent problems to more journals, although they are in vacation.
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ok, so no more movie recommendations for Balarka
21:20
@OFFSHARING hope they get accepted :))))
@Huy: You should watch Naked Lunch. Balarka's too young for it.
Huy
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Balarka is too young for Lost Highway, tbh.
hey bae. naked lunch and chill?
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@MikeMiller: you learned something new today!
@user153330 Most of the time, yes, full success. My first proposed problem ever was rejected, but I'm sure after my book is published they will ponder again over it and publish it. I don't insist on that problem but it was a cool problem, and to them seemed too hard.
Huy
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21:21
there's actually a Fincher movie I wanted to watch too
not sure if it's worth it
the one with Craig
do you like cronenberg?
Huy
Huy
I think I only know Eastern Promises from him
@OFFSHARING try to send cool prob. to the AMM
@Semiclassical heya
@user153330 I sent to them these days an amazing problem. However there are many journals around where one might propose problems.
@user153330 I need some employees for my math stuff, really.
Maybe some students, professors for the research ideas I have. No time to do all alone.
21:24
@OFFSHARING or maybe two or three friends who also enjoy your work :)))
@user153330 I don't have too many friends that have anything in common with my math. Actually no one knows my math.
@OFFSHARING btw when will you reach 20k on this site ? :DD
@user153330 It means almost nothing to me. I wanna have real success in math, not in virtual points.
I wanted to watch Nostalghia but hell I haven't even digested Stalker yet.
@OFFSHARING for fun
anyway guys need to go
21:28
@user153330 sure, not bad having some points
still have to do somethings
bye bye
@Huy: Other classics: Videodrome, the fly. I'm a big fan of Crash but also cannot recommend it to kids.
bye
@user153330 check amazon once in a while ;)
@MikeMiller: I heard the fly is horrendous.
As in, gruesome.
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I'll check them out when I have more space on my hard drives again.
I filled up my new 4TB HDD in less than a month.
21:31
Just deleted a bunch of pictures from my phone for that reason.
Huy
Huy
"pictures" yeah?
No actual picture
I would show you them as proof but well
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:P
Hello!!! Is anyone of you familiar with the simplex method?
21:37
Hello @TedShifrin !!

Could you take a look at my question: http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1589378/conformal-reparametrization ?
@BenjaminLindqvist I want to solve the linear programming problem:
$\max (5x_1-4x_2) \\ -x_1+x_2 \geq -6 \\ 3x_1-2x_2 \leq 24 \\ -2x_1+3x_2 \leq 9 \\ x_1, x_2 \geq 0$

I have found that the solution is $(0, \frac{6}{5}, \frac{36}{5},0, \frac{99}{5})$.. Am I right?
Is there a way that I could check if the solution is the right one? @BenjaminLindqvist
@user153330 Hello. And you are?
very confused about a proof Til I realized the author starts with "set $p=2$" at which point it's all trivial. sigh
21:48
@MikeMiller and there starts the downvotes :D
@evinda Try wolframalpha, it's actually really quite efficient
@evinda It will accept much weirder queries than u think, for example simple linear programs
Is there a real and complex analysis bootcamp I can attend somewhere in Los Angeles?
I want to learn those and functional analysis
anyone here ?
Are there analysis boot camps anywhere, much less LA?
I don't know lol
I really want to learn some of that stuff. I wish community colleges offered those classes including functional analysis so that I could just take them lol
Maybe N Korea?
I want to learn real analysis, complex analysis and fuctional analysis lol
N korea? lol
22:02
I think your best bet is a study group
But that's probably a long shot too
Yeah, I tried finding some on meetup but nothing . . .
I looked on udacity, coursera, and edx nothing. .
there was something on functional analysis but it is now closed :(
All the other stuff on youtube is for the professional crowd or really advanced graduate students
I just know some basic calculus, ode, linear algebra, and even struggle with those, but in trying to really understand some cool stuff in physics and how to do things may be analysis would help
Look at MIT ocw
Herb Gross has some really cool complex analysis videos
checking now
could not find them. . .
ah actually got it
they are together with calculus into and so forth lol
22:45
what is the difference between advanced calculus and real analysis
?
23:06
Hi @PedroTamaroff
23:22
Hello.
mr @Pedro !!! :)
Hiya @Semiclassic.
got any nice problems to suggest? i feel like taking my mind off things
How is everyone behaving?
@Semiclassical Give an example of a ring $R$ and a module $M$ that has finite length but infinitely many different compositions series.
23:25
Not the right sort of subject for him, @Pedro :)
something in the realm of calculus, preferably :P
Hint You can take $M$ to be finite dimensional (what is $R$?)
@Pedro: Well, I think I'm behaving, but I know I'm well hated by certain people who just don't get it.
I don't actually know what that clause means ("finite length but...")
Here's a cool one for you, @Semiclassic, and it's physics-y.
23:27
ears perk up
We all know the Algebra I exercise that if you row a LINEAR round-trip in a river with a current, you make it faster than with no current (down and back a certain fixed distance). Now show that the same is true for any closed path.
@Semiclassical Hm, OK. Calculate the curve drawn by a dog pushing trough a straight line (the $y$-axis, say) and a master following starting at $(1,0)$ and $(0,1)$ respectively, the lash being constantly straight and of constant length.
@Stan !!
@TedShifrin hi Ted!
Surely he knows that one, @Pedro :)
23:28
Wow, a lot of people all at once. Morning.
Don't have dates for Chicago yet, @Stan, but I should soon, I hope.
Good night, @MikeM. Hi to your family.
@Ted: The proof has become an unreadable hellhole of indices. :(
@Pedro: I want to learn some representation theory. Will you help? :)
not sure i'm understanding the scenario, @ted.
Oh, @Semiclassic, I forgot to say that you row with constant speed.
(Which exceeds the current, of course.)
23:29
that helps, yes :P
Mea culpa, sorry :P
@TedShifrin awesome! My family will be excited to meet you. on a math note, why are Hilbert spaces useful for quantum mechanics? What makes a Hilbert space interesting as a mathematical object?
Ask Semiclassic that question!
23:30
LOL, @MikeM, that's just the tip of the index iceberg. Nothing bad there.
@Semiclassical alrighty, what say you sir?
I think he answered :P
It was worse the page before but I really can't read it. :)
Hahahahahah
23:31
So why should physicists care about $L^2$?
the problem with asking a physicist, actually, is that while we can talk in terms of hilbert spaces and the like, that's not the motivation for what we do
What do you mean?
i mean that we don't sit down and say "this it the kind of problem we want to solve, therefore we learn hilbert spaces"
@Ted: Well, the square is quite obviously of physical importance, and so is integration, so it's only natural to combine the two.
No, but $L^2$ arises naturally, and wave functions are the crucial part of QM, no?
23:33
it's more that we learn to do certain kinds of calculations, and only afterwards get taught about the formal aspects
@Semiclassic: You might explain Heisenberg's uncertainty principle in this setting (or I can try to dredge it out of my memory).
you can, certainly. doesn't mean that's how it's done in practice.
Sure, sure. The formality is that you want a complete vector space, but Stan is asking for the physical motivation.
@Semiclassical yes ^
23:35
Nice how Stan distracted you from my row-the-boat question :) It actually turns out quite interesting with the line integral :)
Actually, Stan should work on that one, too.
Which one?
I'm interested on an answer to Stan's question too.
i imagine it could be done by converting it into something that the Euler-Lagrange equations can handle
@Stan: This ... assuming, of course, that you row at a constant speed (larger than the speed of the current, and we assume the current is a constant vector field) chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/36?m=26440763#26440763
@Balarka: As a preliminary to that question, I might ask you what quantum mechanics is. :)
23:36
I'm not asking to minimize anything, @Semiclassic.
Uh.
Hrm.
Well.
faster sounds like minimization
I didn't ask you for the fastest path. I think that might be the straight-line-back-and-forth path, @Semiclassic. I asked for an inequality.
Oh yeah, and I'm assuming the current is a constant vector field parallel to the river banks.
23:38
i mean, a major part of it is that you want to allow a system to exist in a superposition of states, and that amounts to having linear combinations of vectors
@MikeMiller "Study of particles based on the assumption that the uncertainty principle, which says that standard deviation of momentum times standard deviation of position is always greater than a constant, holds".
So a vector space structure is desired. Mathematically, we like it to be complete. But why the integral inner product?
@Balarka: Quoting Wiki or MSE and presenting it as homework gets students booted out of my office.
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Hey, I didn't quote wiki!
I didn't quote MSE either. :P
sends Balarka to bed
if i were to justify the integral inner product, i'd start with a definite case e.g. a particle in a box with basis states being sine functions
23:42
Aha ... that sounds promising.
which basically amounts to Fourier analysis, as I say it
@TedShifrin Depends on what kind of representation theory.
@Ted: Isn't that obvious, that the fastest path is the straight line? Any vertical motion is wasted.
@TedShifrin Have you literally booted students out of your office for plagiarism in your 35 year long career as a professor of mathematics? :D
We're doing a round-trip in a river with a current, @MikeM.
I took them to the student judiciary for plagiarism, yes. And it went on their record. @Balarka
23:44
Yes, but you said the current was horizontal to the banks.
What's a student judiciary?
Far as I can tell there is no value whatsoever in moving vertically.
i suspect the most intuitive way to do the river problem is to switch to a moving reference frame (one with the river at rest)
@MikeM, there's no vertical. This is a 2-dimensional question.
23:45
That's cool, @Semiclassic. In the line integral case I wonder if this helps, but you have me curious.
vertical = same direction as current, horizontal means perpendicular?
What do you call the direction orthogonal to the bank?
i was visualizing the river running up-down (on a page) and the journey being left-right
In the case of the algebra I exercise, the journey is down river and then back upriver.
Oh... I misunderstood the problem.
Thought you wanted to follow the current and then go back where you started.
Which I maintain is indeed obviously quickest when you don't move orthogonally to the current. :)
23:47
Right. The question was to understand why it's faster with a current than without. And then to generalize the path to a general closed loop.
actually, as I think of it, the moving reference frame probably doesn't help
since it complicates the whole "constant velocity" aspect
@Stan seems to have disappeared.
Constant speed, not velocity.
doh, yes. i'd have chided my students had they said that
@Pedro: You're way off the deep end algebraically. I'll never understand you any more :P
You like your students with chives? @Semiclassic
no no, i'd have pelted them with chives
23:50
@PedroTamaroff Any nice topology problem?
Problem: define a nice topology.
but if the velocity at some point is given by $\vec{v}=(v\cos\theta,v\sin\theta)$ in the reference frame at rest, then in the river frame it'd be $(v\cos\theta,u+v\sin\theta)$ in the river frame (assuming the river is running in the y-direction)
a nice topology on what?
A set. What else do topologies go on?
Sounds reasonable so far, @Semiclassic.
23:53
which means the speed in that reference frame depends on the direction of the velocity, which is a tad annouying
oh, you want me to define "nice topology". I interpreted that as defining a nice topology on some given set.
eh.
iunno.
You wanted a nice topology problem!
anyways, dinner time now
back in a bit
Yup, @Semiclassic. Inertial frames when there are too many degrees of freedom may be troublesome? :)
Bubye !
23:54
@MikeM, @Balarka: You're both being too childish.
(challenge problem: convert it from a classical mechanics problem to a special relativity problem)
BTW, @Balarka: This current-rowing problem I posed is in my book, if you ever get to chapter 8.
Yeah, @Semiclassic, I was sort of thinking that with your approach.
cool. I'll have to look at it.
@Ted: I'm not about to pose another one, since he's not done with the first one j posed.
23:58
Go play with your family, @MikeM.
It turns out grad school and math.stackexchange has turned into @MikeMiller's only family.
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