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@Matt: Amongst many :-)
 
People here are quite creative when it comes to spelling continuous
 
@Matt I've lost track of the bajillion ways to spell that damned word.
(Ah feck, I didn't see the other one.)
 
12:24 PM
Huh?
 
I corrected one instance and missed the other. (See the edit history.)
 
@JM: I just noticed. Hey, can you have a look at my answer just to make sure that it's not wrong. Maybe @Srivatsan could, too?
 
Looks peachy. Unfortunately I'm out of votes...
 
@JM: No, don't worry, I didn't post it because I'm fishing for votes. Thanks for looking at it!
 
@Matt This is because of the obvious theorem: Set theory > functional analysis :-)
 
12:30 PM
@AsafKaragila: Where < stands for "is an element of"?
2
 
:D
 
No... A>B iff A is a lot more fun than B.
 
@AsafKaragila: I disagree. I think both are fun. Although, if I had to choose between the two and would not be allowed to do the other for the rest of my life I would go for functional analysis.
 
Oh, functional analysis can get fun. Set theory is still a lot more fun.
 
Matt: Asaf thinks analysis is a plague-infested monstrosity, you see...
 
12:32 PM
Recall that fun is a subjective measure for anyone except myself. My measurements of what is fun are absolute, objective and true.
 
Oh.
 
@JM That is not true. Monsters are interesting.
 
Hey why would S.D. copy my answer into his? math.stackexchange.com/questions/86704/…
 
@AsafKaragila You ain't Chuck Norris...
 
@Matt Nice answer. In fact, it matches the OP's intuition more closely...
 
12:34 PM
@JM You don't know that for sure.
@Srivatsan Which? Can I see, too?
 
@Matt: No, he was referring to your answer. It's certainly not mine... :)
 
Yay! Thanks, @Srivatsan!
 
@JM I am his child. We're all his children. I just got to be the one executing his will.
 
Oh, I am just so sleepy.
 
Then have a nap.
 
12:37 PM
Take some amphetamines.
 
Greetings.
 
Howdy @Henning.
 
Hi!
 
@HenningMakholm Hello.
 
Hey Henning.
 
12:39 PM
@Matt I too ran out of votes. My +1 will arrive at night...
 
@AsafKaragila Amphetamines are a nasty piece of work. Modafinil's the rage these days.
 
@JM Tell that to Paulie E.
 
@Srivatsan: What do you think of copying someone else's answer into yours? Like S.D. did with mine? It kind of disturbs me...
 
@Matt Why not ping him about it to clarify?
@AsafKaragila If he were still up and about these days I'd coax him to do modafinil too.
 
@JM: Because I'm not sure whether it's just me. Maybe it doesn't matter on SE.
 
12:42 PM
@Srivatsan You vote too much :-P
@JM I bet he'd get to cocaine by now.
 
JM is my idol. =)
 
@Srivatsan He's a false idol. He does not exist. He, and you, are both in my mind.
 
You're not my dad!!!1! :'(
 
Ok, fire alarm. See you guys
 
???
 
12:44 PM
Good luck!
 
See you @Sri.
 
Good luck!
 
They are testing out the fire alarm system. =)
 
oh.
@JM: If it had happened to you, would you have pinged S.D.?
 
And while at it they are planting bombs on the gas pipes. Watch out.
Who's SD?
 
12:45 PM
Clearly you won't be calmly chatting with us if the fire alarm was actually being used... :D
 
SanDisk?
 
BTW, I don't quite approve of copying obviously. The timestamps are indeed a little suspicious
 
@Matt Maybe. "Hey, dude, a funny thing, but..."
 
@JM Oh well, they stopped it. :) I don't have to leave after all.
 
12:47 PM
Hey Henning, that's one neat blog. Thanks for sharing!
 
@JM: What do you think of "Could it be that your version 2 is my answer?"?
 
@JM Not my strength, that's why I'm asking you for help : )
How about "Version 2 strangely resembles my answer"?
I'm no good at this : (
 
How does "I was wondering, but I think I already covered the part about xxx in my answer..." sound?
 
@JM Incomplete?
 
12:51 PM
You should fill in the "xxx" yourself you know. :)
 
Lol, that's not what I meant!
The "I was wondering before" the comma.
 
@HenningMakholm: It's like undergrad with fmylife.com all over again... I'm gonna start reading this site all the time now. :\
 
@JM: Maybe: "I was wondering whether I didn't already cover the part "version 2" in my answer?"
 
Sounds fine to me now, Matt.
 
Ok, I'll do that. Thank you! : )
 
12:53 PM
@Matt, one question. Where does SD verify that the sequence is dominated by an integrable function?
 
@AsafKaragila Well, dang, now I remember the trilogy that wasted a few hours of my life each day, a long time ago: TVTropes, fmylife, and Something Awful...
 
@JM What is the connection between Chuck Norris and math?
 
@Srivatsan Hm...
 
That comment wasn't quite strong enough, @Matt. In fact, I am wondering whether SD will get what you are hinting at.
 
@Skullpatrol He counted to infinite twice and he can divide by zero.
 
12:57 PM
@Srivatsan I'm not even sure I'm right. I'm just reading his version 2.
brb$
 
@Srivatsan: That's alright I think. I'm a firm believer in the concept of escalation.
At the very least, if you're wrong, there won't be that much egg on your face...
 
@AsafKaragila I like the "He executes an infinite loop in under a minute." joke.
 
@Srivatsan I like many others. I also enjoy the Bruce Schneier variants. They fit better.
 
@JM This time, if I am wrong, the egg will be on Matt's face; so no matter... =)
(just kidding)
 
@AsafKaragila How did he divide by 0?
 
12:59 PM
It is a process that cannot be explained in finitely many words.
 
@Skullpatrol So you got the part where he counted to infinity twice? I was afraid that you would ask that... =)
 
@Srivatsan So he counted to +infinity then to -infinity ... that makes counting to infinity twice right?
 
@JM And you aptly demonstrated your stand with a little animation... =)
("believer" -> "firm believer")
 
:D
 
@AsafKaragila "Counting to infinity" now that sounds like a process that cannot be explained in finitely many words ... or can it???
 
1:07 PM
Does anyone know what Ilya is up to these days?
 
Lately he shows up on main, but not here...
 
Blasphemy. We should start a meta thread about this...
 
@AsafKaragila If we said "count by ones and don't stop" that is a finite number of words i.e. 6 words that explains the process of counting to infinity ...
 
thwack...
 
1:16 PM
I'm correcting homework. Uniform convergence does not necessarily imply that we can interchange the indefinite integral and the limit right? (I'd have to verify but if one of you knows...)
Or maybe it does. Let's see.
Oh, right not well-defined :').
 
The adjective "indefinite" had me hedging... :)
 
Yes, I should smack myself.
If they would place the boundaries _a^x it would be correct, but...
 
He removed version 2 from his answer. Nice : )
 
"He" is here, Matt... :)
@SD Hi!
 
@Matt : I have quick question if you are free a little bit
 
1:29 PM
@RajeshD Sure. Is it whether I'm single or married? : )
 
hm..
later .......
i am feeling shy
 
Does anybody wanna hear a math joke?
 
Sure!
 
@Matt An engineer, a physicist and a mathematician are driving along the county side and they see a black sheep on the side of the road; the engineer says "ALL sheep are black" the physicist says "Nonsense, only some sheep are black" the mathematician ponders for awhile and finally says "All we know is at least ONE sheep is black and it is black on at least ONE side."
 
I knew that one already : )
@RajeshD: What is your question?
 
1:31 PM
@skull good one
We know that three types of discontinuities for a function f : R \to R
jump oscillating and isolated
but consider a function F : R^2 \to R
what kind of 'jump' discontituities it can have at a particular point.i am interested only in jump discontinuities
i want to know about jump discontinuities of f : R^2 \to R if they exist
 
@RajeshD: Sorry, I've never heard of these types of discontinuities...
 
you mean for 2-d functions ?
they may not exist for 2-d functions..........in that case what is the nature of discontinuities for 2-d functions
where could i find some info
@JM i guess you are there
 
Why do you want to know this? That might help to find a solution to your problem.
 
@RajeshD: The classification on Wikipedia seems to differ from yours...
 
@Jonas : I just want to know outof curious...i am not having anything in mind....just for some wild imaginations
 
1:37 PM
@Raj: I'm a bit occupied at the moment, but: just imagine a function of the form f(x,y)*U(g(x,y)), where U(t) is the unit step function...
 
@RajeshD: I don't know enough about it to help you off the top of my head, sorry.
 
@Matt : by isolated i had removable in mind
@Matt : ok sorry it is removable (not isolated)
ok.......np
@JM : by * do you mean convolution ?
 
Cute trick for homework. If you can't prove it assume that it is true...
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He means product.
 
: )
 
@Raj: No, multiplication. (Can't do TeX here, sorry.)
 
1:41 PM
@Jonas by cute trick...what is it that you were refering to ?
 
I'm correcting homework. "We assume that f_n -> f pointwise" while it is part of the conclusion.
 
@JM I'd be curious to hear t.b.'s opinion about Asaf's twisted world view.
 
I think it's somewhere in the transcript... :)
 
@JM Oh! Can you point me to it? : )
 
Cute, they mix up the limit definition of continuity and the epsilon-delta definition!
 
1:48 PM
Unfortunately I don't know the week or month where that conversation came up...
@JonasTeuwen Boggling, no? :)
 
Nooo T_T
 
@JM Yes.
 
...but you should know that Asaf takes potshots at analysis every chance he gets.
 
Stuff like let epsilon > 0 then |f(t_n) - f(t)| < e if |t_n - t| < d.
 
QED
how about "let epsilon < 0"
 
1:50 PM
I didn't see that error yet.
 
@QED: you've managed to snag a copy of Bressoud already?
 
QED
no
 
You should!
 
QED
:)
 
Michael Hardy's probabalisitc answer has become quite popular.
Much more so than the others.
Heh, even I upvoted it :-)
Of course I liked all the answers.
 
2:10 PM
Damn skimmers! My girlfriends debit card got skimmed :( :).
@robjohn I love probabilistic arguments in analysis :))).
 
Skimmer?
 
@JonasTeuwen Dudley writes of a circle-squarer who started his construction with: "Assumed: that the New Pi value of 3.125 is correct"...
 
@HenningMakholm Hah.
@Matt Then they secretly copy your pass and spy on your pin code. The rest is obvious right? :D.
 
@JonasTeuwen pass = credit or debit card?
 
debit card.
 
2:14 PM
For that they would need the card I suppose...
Sucks, either way. : (
 
They copy it by placing some hideous device at the entrance point.
 
@JonasTeuwen I like them, too. His answer has leapfrogged his rep above mine :-o
 
@JonasTeuwen Ah those sneaky bastards... that's why you always need to check those slots before inserting anything into them.
 
Yep. Well, now there are new debit cards which use a smartcard and those are harder to copy but the magnet strip still works (which those smartcards also have)...
 
I am tired.
 
2:18 PM
of set theory?
 
: D
 
Of algebra.
 
@JM :D.
 
Algebra can be tiring sometimes
 
*bows*
@Daniil I'd replace "sometimes" with "often".
 
2:20 PM
Abstract algebra?
 
I would replace it by usually.
 
The opinions can differ on that one but I tend to agree :-).
 
There's a reason why I often use the phrase "after much algebra and tears"...
 
You tender?
 
Someone wrote "TP" to say "to prove" is it bad of me that it made me laugh? :D.
Maybe I should write next to it "for your bunghole?".
 
2:28 PM
I'd have said "Want me to do it to your house?" myself... :D
 
Oh, and he has a "Bach space".
 
@MikeSpivey greetings
@JonasTeuwen but it is more pleasant to listen to ;-)
 
Meanwhile I must step out. Later.
 
Hi @Mike
@robjohn Yes :).
 
@Daniil Perhaps for the first reading about Banach-Tarski paradox Wapner's The Pea and The Sun is better. It's more of a popular book than a mathematical text. (I did not went through it myself, but I have herad praise on this book from my friends.)
 
2:34 PM
@MartinSleziak that looks cool!
Thanks
 
2:54 PM
@JM See you later!
Being unproductive : ( Going for a stroll with the pup, bbl
 
pok
Hello @MikeSpivey!
 
pok
3:14 PM
@MikeSpivey, I have feew ideas on Helly's theorem, could you please take a look
 
3:31 PM
@JonasTeuwen I have seen some people use TPT for "To prove that" and STS for "suffices to show".
 
In order to save, what, 5 seconds of typing?
 
On the board, but I get your point. I never write that (but then again I have pretty much never written anything on the board).
 
@HenningMakholm I have the original Switched On Bach from the 60-70s, but the album says Walter Carlos.
 
@AsafKaragila: Trying to understand Scott's trick. In the question here, is V_\alpha a p-name? No, that doesn't make any sense : ( ... or actually, it does!
 
3:46 PM
@HenningMakholm :).
 
@robjohn Carlos is the performer.
 
@HenningMakholm I know, but my album is from before Walter became Wendy.
 
Ah. Subtle.
 
Back in 1968, when the album came out, gender changing operations were not that common.
 
4:00 PM
@Matt V_\alpha is just the alpha-th stage of the von Neumann hierarchy.
 
@AsafKaragila Thanks!
 
@Matt Scott's trick can be applied to any equivalence relation.
Instead of taking the class, take the sets which appear first with this cardinality.
I am going to take a nap. I'll see you folks later.
 
See you later!
 
@AsafKaragila l8r
 
4:27 PM
@JM Hi. Apparently, I have not enough points to be polite and answer to your greetings
 
pok
@MikeSpivey, are you here?
 
Tim
@HenningMakholm Hello HenningMakholm, when you said "subtle", I happened to ask a question before english.stackexchange.com/questions/41462/…. Do you mean the opposite, i.e. play sarcasm?
 
@pok: Sort of. I'm afraid I don't have time right now to chat about Helly's Theorem, though. However, if you leave your thoughts I'll be glad to take a look at them and respond later when I have time. (It's an interesting question; I upvoted and starred it.)
 
pok
@MikeSpivey: Thanks, everything in the topic
 
Tim
@Mike is a nice person.
 
4:38 PM
@Tim No, I meant that it was easy to overlook the difference between the two names both starting with W -- as I did.
 
* I had not
 
Tim
Oh, I am often lost in these words
 
 
2 hours later…
6:18 PM
Good morning, folk of math.SE!
 
morning. don't be too loud, don't want the librarians to see I'm eating ramen in their haven...
 
Why would anyone's heaven have ramen?
 
haven =/= heaven. also, because someone sneaked it in.
 
Oh yeah, I misread.
In some places they don't even allow the library.
Was it the grim reaper?
If it happens, challenge him to a game of chess.
I take that you have not seen Ingmar Bergman's masterpiece The Seventh Seal.
 
@steve Asaf's asking you if "someone" was the grim reaper, not who the reaper is..
there's a librarian not two feet away from me right now, but she can't see my monitor...
I feel like I'm in school again
it's in plain sight (the best hiding place). gone now.
this one, yes. ubuntu gnome or w/e.
lol, w/e = whatever...
I guess it's common for internet / text acronyms consisting of only two letters to have a / in order to signify it's an acronym.
'Tis a public library. :)
 
6:38 PM
Pubic library??
 
I don't like public libraries. There are people there.
3
 
Yup. I surmise some linuxheads got together and convinced it to get some linux machines because they're free. (Evidence: the username/password is always linuxisfree2/free02, the no. depending on the time of day.)
well, the OS is free - you know what I mean
 
QED
public libraries shouldn't be a problem
they are not as bad as shops or anything like that
 
Well, ubuntu gnome is apparently not much different from Windows (on the surface anyway)
 
Yeah, I usually call Ubuntu by the wonderful nickname GNU/Windows.
 
6:47 PM
So, I'm almost done with chapter 2 of Maclane-Birkhoff's Algebra. I've got like 5-10 questions from it... I'll ask them in a bit.
 
Didn't they write 2 or 3 algebra textbooks? One called just Algebra, one Survey of Modern Algebra (IIRC) and I am not sure about the third one.
 
I know they wrote Survey because it was mentioned in the preface. Don't know about a third one (though this is a 2nd ed I believe).
 
QED
I have Algebra
 
the notation/terminology is a bit obsolete, but otherwise I think I like it
 
I think the third one was Birkhoff-Bartee, so I mixed up the authors.
 
7:01 PM
oh hey, I just figured out one of the q's.
 
If X is a normed vector space and X^* its dual, can I always find an injective functional phi in X^* that maps given 2 points a,b in X to different points phi(a) \neq phi(b)?
 
injective?
That would imply card(X)<=card(R).
Perhaps you wanted to write something different.
 
@JonasTeuwen Starred. : )
 
@Matt :D.
 
@MartinSleziak What would be an example of a normed vector space X with card(X) > card(R)?
 
7:08 PM
Normed vector spaces with card > c? What the...?
 
For any given set S, the set of functions S->R which have only finitely-many non-zero values is a vector space, isn't it.
When I endow it with a sup-norm, I'll get norm space.
Am I completely wrong here?
 
oh, *non*-zero..
 
@MartinSleziak: I think that's right. So that has cardinality greater than R...
@MartinSleziak: You just broke an idea for a proof of a homework question. But maybe I can fix it.
 
Sorry for that...
 
No, thank you for that : )
 
7:13 PM
cool.
 
And if I can't fix it I'll just assume it's true.
 
I know I can edit answers I've deleted (and they don't get undeleted). Is it possible to edit someone else's deleted question? If so, then imagine this: I submit a blank question and promptly delete it, then share the link to everyone and we use it as a wiki to draft something for a secret MSE society...
 
Now it's not actually so secret anymore...
 
secret is relative. chatroom =! the whole of MSE.
 
Why not draft it here?
Yes, chat room = the whole of the internet = MSE, no? : )
 
7:19 PM
The draft isn't the point, it's the idea of secretly convening on a hidden post on MSE. Bah, whatever.
 
@Matt: Are you doing functional analysis again?! I thought we agreed that you are gonna drop that class and study only set theory :-P
 
@AsafKaragila When did we agree to that? : D
 
Some time ago.
 
U on shrooms? : D
 
Some years ago that I realized that my mind works in more than the conventional dimensions of reality I have agreed to never take shrooms, acid, or other hallucinogens.
 
7:28 PM
sounds kind of non sequitor to me
 
-> sequitur ?
 
I have all those extra-dimensions in my head. If I open this Pandora box and they get out, how can I ensure they return back in?
 
crap, I've been misspelling that phrase my entire life.
 
I'll do set theory again after tonight. I have an assignment to hand in tomorrow and I've been piddling around the entire week.
A week without functional analysis.
 
7:34 PM
@Matt Is a good week.
 
@AsafKaragila No, it's sad.
 
Nah-uh!!!!
 
@Matt No functional analysis? :(.
I'm correcting the homeworks of FA...
:'(.
 
I want to help you correct homework : ) Sounds like fun.
 
Okay, outside of a couple q's I'll look up later (e.g. why the fifteen puzzle has A15 symmetry), I've narrowed my queries down to four ^
or 6, if you distinguish question parts
Abstract algebra is really weird in the following sense: you can get stuck on a question for twenty minutes only to realize the resolution to a problem in merely a couple lines of math. :/
 
7:40 PM
@JonasTeuwen: Your PhD, is it in FA?
 
@Matt Not completely. It's more like (real) harmonic analysis, but it does use FA of course. (correcting bad work is not fun).
 
this question has gotten 7 upvotes in only 3^3 views and 0 comments.
 
I wonder why...
I hate homework. Very. Much. : ' (
 
I don't have to do any more homework :-).
What is the value of the contour integral around Western Europe?
 
42?
 
7:55 PM
something to do with Poles or Cauchy's dog peeing...
(i.e. residues)
 
0
Because all the Poles are in Eastern Europe.
 
: D
 
...and Ireland.
 
Ireland is not in West Europe. It's in Heaven.
 
the ultimate math pun collection: ams.org/notices/200501/fea-dundes.pdf
 
7:56 PM
But seriously, while I spent 6 months in Germany, I improved my understanding of Polish language tremendously.
Slovak and Polish language are similar, so with a little practice I can understand someone speaking Polish - and there I had an opportunity to practice it.
 
*Q: What is very old, used by farmers, and obeys the fundamental theorem of arithmetic?
A: An antique tractorization domain.*
 

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