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@EnjoysMath based on your comment about big-O notation, it seems you already know where they got [x/a] (should actually be [x/a] / x since there's that 1/x in the definition of d(A)). I will reverse your question on you too: since we're taking a limit what point is there for an exact formula when you can intuitively spot a big-O asymptotic nearly instantly with negligible brainpower?
to count the numbers which are congruent to a mod b in the interval [0,x], one has such number for every interval between multiples of a below x, and since the last multiple is [x/a]a that means there are [x/a] intervals, with at most one more number depending on where x stands between the nearest two multiples of a (hence the O(1)).
(previous comment should say b mod a)
 
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@anon thx
 
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Nice to see you back pal @Chris'ssistheartist :-)
Well, apparently some reviewers thought you changed so much about the post that it no longer necessarily reflected the original question
The original question was essentially asking if there was a hash that preserved ordering. The English was some what poor, and the post lengthy, so I tried cutting it down.
(I heard a rumor that if you posted rejected edits to chat rooms, high-rep geanies will come and restore justice.)
as far as I know the rules are as follows: by all means fix spelling and grammar, but you're not supposed to change anything about a post that isn't superficial
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Is anyone here good at probability?
 
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"if $V$ and $W$ are vector spaces, there is a linear map from $\Lambda^a V \otimes \Lambda^b W$ to $\Lambda^{a+b}(V \oplus W)$ which takes $(v_1 \wedge \dots \wedge v_a) \otimes (w_1 \wedge \dots \wedge w_b)$ to $v_1 \wedge \dots \wedge v_a \wedge w_1 \wedge \dots \wedge w_b$"
I'd just like to be sure that we're suddenly identifying $v_i$ and $w_j$ with $(v_i, 0)$ and $(0, w_j)$ here
@SamuelYusim yes, precisely
@SamuelYusim Or alternatively, identify $V$ and $W$ as disjoint subspaces of some larger space (which is essentially the same)
yeah, that makes it more clear that this would be an isomorphism as well
er, by 'this' I of course mean something I never wrote down here at all, namely $\Lambda^n (W \oplus V) \cong \bigoplus_{a=0}^n \Lambda^a V \otimes \Lambda^{n-a}W$
What is the fractal dimension of random noise (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_(video)), that is, a random array of filled and unfilled pixels?
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@user1667423 Why would it have a fixed fractal dimension?
(actually, why would dimension even make sense for something discrete?)
@TobiasKildetoft Good point, I was wondering if it did.
Well, I think you can approximate the fractal dimension by keeping the boxes in e.g. box counting larger than the pixel size.
I think you can find the approximate fractal dimension of a discrete version of Sierpinski triangle (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_90), for example.
But idk if something like random noise would have some kind of fractal dimension
@skullpatrol Nice to meet you again :-)
@r9m I was just reading some of Ramanujan stuff, and the most intriguing thing is that although I saw tons of stuff, I myself almost created 20000 questions and solution, there is nothing, but absolutely nothing that can be compared to Ramanujan approaches.
@r9m I mean even using the word "nearly" is inappropriate, because his stuff is far more profound than all stuff put together I ever saw.
It's not enough for someone to understand the proofs of Ramanujan, but to understand the depth of his thoughts. Then you realize that one is a god.
They should clone Ramanujan, really.
The good thing though is that his performance pushes you, motivates you to be better, to go far beyond the average and try to go where he is.
07:29
very well said :)
 
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@Chris'ssistheartist That sounds creepy somehow ... :P
@r9m btw, did you make any progress on that problem?
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@Chris'ssistheartist hmm .. I got an idea .. atleast I have an intuition now why/how $a_n$ is close to $n^{\frac{1}{\log 2} - 1}$ .. all I am left to do is determine a combinatorial interpretation of an identity and I'll be done ..
yo there!! @skullpatrol :D
@r9m well, I suppose you used that recurrence relation in $a_k$ ...
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@Chris'ssistheartist not that one .. I devised a more convenient one :-)
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@Chris'ssistheartist not really .. I am yet to check two crucial things before I start jumping out of my chair .. \
@r9m Well, I think I'm going to get in contact with that guy, it's worth knowing such people, since he is also a Romanian. :-) I might learn a lot of precious stuff from him.
Box counting leads me to believe that the fractal dimension of random noise is just 2.
Quick meta question (re meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/4168/… which isn't really answered)
What do we do about this kind of question math.stackexchange.com/questions/1402382/…
to which an answer exists on MathOverflow (mathoverflow.net/questions/101971/… )?
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@r9m Tauraso is also very good and has a lot of nice stuff. The problem 11828 he proposed is pretty cool.
@r9m yo there pal :D
What does it mean that along the 'flow' arclength is preserved? It also has written "The one parameter family (flow) of curves satisfies the relation..."
 
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Of course, when you explore enough a certain corner of mathematics you come up with such questions. It's not the first time when I saw questions of this type by Stoica, but I don't remember now the the other sources. I saw at least a problem (excepting this one) involving $$\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} e^{2^x}$$
That is $\displaystyle \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} x^{n^2}$ or $\displaystyle \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} x^{2^n}$.
Maybe it's somehow connected to his previous problem, but I see poor odds to find it, I cannot remember where I saw it.
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@r9m btw, in the meantime I calculated a very nice limit that was proposed for the Putnam contest, but for some reasons it was rejected. Looking back, some time ago, I wasn't able to do it but now I did it in 4 different ways.
In case you're interested in it, I won't post it here but send it to you privately. I also wanna add it to my book together with slightly different versions and maybe some generalization.
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I have learnt about transcendental degree of field extensions over the base field. Is the transcendental degree of rings over a field defined in a similar way? That is, the minimal number of algebraically independent elements required generate the ring over said field?
11:52
wow, chat is dead.
long live the chat.
Far more research is needed for some classes of series here like, say, $$\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{x^n}{n!(n+1)!(n+2)!\cdots (n+k)!}$$
perhaps you are the one to do it :-)
And... I have another question. If I denote a finitely generated algebra over a field $F$ by $F[x_1,\cdots,x_n]$, is it a common convention that that the generators $x_1,\cdots,x_n$ used in the notation must be algebraically independent?
I am wondering because the article I am reading goes to great length to avoid writing $F[\cdots]$ when the generators are not proved to be algebraically independent yet.
@Boni Yes, usually that notation will mean that the algebra is freely generated by the commuting elements $x_i$
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@skullpatrol :D
if they do not commute, then usually one would write it as $F\langle x_1,\dots,x_n\rangle$.
@TobiasKildetoft Ah, okay. So I should only use that notation when the algebra is the same as (algebraically isomorphic to?) a polynomial ring in the same number of indeterminates over the same field?
@Boni Well, I did say usually. It is also sometimes used otherwise (as an example think of $\mathbb{Z}[i]$).
Does anyone here know much Diff geo?
@TobiasKildetoft Ah okay. So I would not be entirely wrong if the generators are not free. I just need to explicitly say so to avoid confusion. Thank you for clearing this up.
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@DifferentialGeometry wait for Mike, Huy or Ted to come online.
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I am tired up writing the damn practical's of mine.. Take up so much of time
I'll second Soham's advice, but it would be useful for you to say what kind of problem you're working on @DifferentialGeometry
That'll save some time when one of those people shows up, and someone else in chat might happen to understand it already
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@Semiclassical Seems reasonable. Unfortunately I am finding myself making more errors than ever before - and so my questions all surrounded calculation errors so far - which encourages me not to post any questions when people aren't present(as I'll not break them down as thoroughly)
Actually one thing I am really curious about is: @TedShifrin how long does it take you to calculate the Torsion of a curve? I find my experience is so little, that it takes me 40 minutes...
@MikeMiller: Thanks! I'll keep an eye out for him.
You can just ping him. I'm sure he won't mind.
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Hello!! If we say that the integral domain $R$ contains $\mathbb{Q}$, does it mean that some elements of $R$ are also elements of $\mathbb{Q}$, so $R \subset \mathbb{Q}$ ?
@Balarka A doubt:
Well tomorrow I have an exam on induction. While solving some problems this question came up into my mind . Which are the sets on which we can do induction when given what we have to prove by induction. Can I perform induction on sets which are isomorphic to $\Bbb{N}$ or are there other sets also
I meant $\mathbb{Q} \subset R$.
Do you maybe know @robjohn ?
I so much want to comment on this comment that it would be easier to say "much easier".
@MaryStar If "$R$ contains $\mathbb{Q}$", then $\mathbb{Q}\subset R$.
Sorry, I was away. @Remember I think what you're looking for is transfinite induction. I have forgotten.
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@Chris'ssistheartist Awesome .. yes please! :)
At a proof that I am reading there is the following:

$R$ is an integral domain,
$S$ satisfes the following conditions:
-$S \subset R$
-$S$ contains $\mathbb{Z}$
-$S$ is diophantine over $R[T]$

If $R$ contains $\mathbb{Q}$, then we define $S$ by:
$x \in S \leftrightarrow x \in R[T] \land (x=0 \lor \exists y \in R[T]: xy=1)$


I am facing some difficulties understanding the last implication, the definition of $S$.
Since $S$ is a subset of $R$, we have that $x \in S \rightarrow R[T]$. Does the parenthesis $(x=0 \lor \exists y \in R[T]: xy=1)$ have a relation with the fact that $S$ contains $
@Rememberme This is going to sound pedantic. For the um... "normal" induction, if you prove the base case that $P(x)$ is true for, say, $x\in (0,1]$ and prove that $P(x) \rightarrow P(x+1)$, then it proves that $P(x)$ for a uncountable set $\mathbb{R}^+$. Also, you can use it for finite sets if you add a termination step.
I wish to create math animations to better the understanding of particular mathematical concepts. Any suggestions on how this can be done? I hear Mathematica is useful.
I believe you'll find matlab easier, and it'll teach you to program better in general.
Interesting! Which offers the greatest flexibility?
Coding is not a problem. Having animations exactly how I want them to be is most important.
Oh, I see there are a number of debates on the web.
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Mathematica is prettier, matlab is still better in my opinion.
Thank you! I appreciate your opinion!
That's alright :).
One other thing though, Mathematica does most things for you, whereas matlab you do most of it yourself, that is good or bad depending on how you feel. I personally like the hands-on approach.
Yes that is a fair point. There is definitely a trade-off.
@MikeMiller I went to the lecture on ergodic number theory today. Do you know of something called Ragunathan's conjecture? It says that if you have a Lie group $G$, a discrete subgroup (well, a lattice) $\Gamma$, a subgroup $H \leq G$ generated by unipotent one-parameter subgroups, then image of any orbit $Hx$ in $G\setminus \Gamma$ (it's a right-action) is algebraic, i.e., there exists a closed subgroup $L$ of $G$ such that $H \leq L \leq G$ and the closure of $Hx$ is the coset $Lx$.
Here $L$ depends only on $x$.
The reason one cares about this is that a special case of this is, as observed by Raghunathan, helps you resolve the Oppenheimer-Davenport conjecture on quadratic forms.
I don't know anything about this, sorry.
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ah, ok. nevermind.
thanks, anyway!
[If you care : someone called Marina Ratner proved this with brand new techniques from ergodic theory]
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@MaryStar What is $T$?
I have been working on the properties of int(exp(p*x) ... ) applied to functions F(x) (typically with hypergeometric terms). There is a lot of structure, i.e. Appell series, that is exploitable but I can't seem to bring closure to significant conclusions. Is there anybody I could discuss my constructs with and should I start a new "room"?
@robjohn $R[T]$ denotes the ring of polynomials over $R$, in one variable $T$.
@DifferentialGeometry You can control almost everything about an animation in Mathematica. I find that I can get an animation done quite quickly and then tweak it to get things just as I want them.
@MaryStar So what is $T$? just a variable taking values where?
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@Rememberme you can use induction immediately on any well-ordered set (that is, any set in which all subsets have a least element)
(according to whichever order it comes with)
Hello!!! How are you doing?
suppose you prove P for the least element of the set, and you prove that if P is true for all smaller elements than x then it is true for x
then it is true for all x
indeed, suppose it were false for some x; then there would be a least such x (by well-orderedness, since {x s.t. P(x) is false} has a least element)
@PatrickStevens I don't think he means induction on a set. He means induction with statements indexed by something other than $\Bbb N$. I could be wrong, though.
immediate contradiction
@BalarkaSen oh, i don't know how to induct on something that's not a set
hmm, there's $\in$-induction on the class of all sets, i suppose
requires axiom of foundation
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@robjohn it's just an indeterminate.
or rather, transcendental, if you prefer.
@BalarkaSen So if $T$ is completely free, $xy=1$ seems to indicate that $x,y\in R$ otherwise there will be terms with $T$ in the product.
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sorry, no, I am thinking of nice rings. No, it doesn't indicate that.
It might happen that your polynomials have zero divisor coefficients. Then things gets messed up, @robjohn
ok, I think your polynomial needs to have last coefficient a unit and all the other coefficients zero divisors.
hi @robjohn @Balarka
@DifferentialGeometry: Matlab may well be better for numerical work, but many of us will argue with you when it comes to visual mathematics (in particular, differential geometry). And to answer your question, I expected my students to do a complete Frenet frame computation on an exam in at most 15-20 minutes (typically, one question out of 5 on a 75-minute exam). And this question was always NOT arclength parametrized, so one must pay careful attention to the chain rule.
long time, @Ted
how's things?
Yeah, @Balarka. I'm discovering that now that I'm retired I don't have patience for a lot of things around here, so I'm mostly taking a break. :)
I'm sure you deserve the break. Enjoy it!
I'm learning commutative algebra and (finally) singular cohomology.
I'm forgetting lots of things :P
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You should see a doctor for that. Dyslexia is not good.
@TedShifrin Something about putting up with less drama in other parts of life maybe decreases one's tolerance for it in other places
(if you ask me, I don't think remembering math has anything to do with being able to do math, so you're fine :) )
I can probably still do calculus, @Balarka :)
A lot more than calculus, I am sure.
@Ted I can visualize cup products for some special cases now.
The general idea being, take two cocycles corresponding to your homology classes of the manifold, Poincare dualize, compute intersection number, and then dualize back. But this is the geometric picture I keep that back of my head -- I can do algebraic computations as well :)
Of course, this thing doesn't work for higher dimensions (what the hell is intersection number?)
Of course, some classes aren't representing manifolds. It does work in higher dimensions. If you don't have complementary dimension, you make the submanifolds transverse and they intersect along a submanifold of the appropriate dimension.
You'll get there eventually.
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@BalarkaSen $R$ is an integral domain... no zero divisors.
I didn't see the original question. If it's a domain, you're fine.
@robjohn: I hope I'll get to meet you. Unless traffic or other things go crazy, I will be in LA something like the night of 9/10 through the morning of 9/13. Not sure where or what is going on yet ...
@TedShifrin Let me know when you'll be around. I don't think I have too much scheduled for September (except on the weekends).
@TedShifrin ok, interesting.
Well, during the day on Friday might be optimal. I haven't heard from everyone yet, other than an old friend who's a high school teacher in LA and, of course, my UCLA friends (one of whom you know, of course).
Wait 'til you get to the cohomological interpretation of linking number, @Balarka (e.g., Hopf invariant).
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I can't wait to :)
fun fact : $Open(X)^{op} \to \mathsf{Grp}$ defined by $U \mapsto H_n(X, X - U)$ is a sheaf, called the orientation sheaf. Stalks of these sheaf at points are $\Bbb Z$, and choice of the generator of the stalks are precisely local orientation of the manifold.
Yes, I'm well acquainted with the orientation sheaf.
Again, once you know what orientation means in terms of a smooth manifold, it's a good exercise to understand what this has to do with that.
@TedShifrin But I wasn't. I wasn't trying to imply you weren't acquainted of it, apologies if it sounded so.
I actually spent a good while in grad school annoying the topologists, wanting a proof that cup product corresponds to intersection theory via Poincaré duality. This is mathematics folklore, and the only text that does it carefully is Bott/Tu. Perhaps Bredon has it in his book; I'm not sure.
Oh hell ... goodnight, @MikeM.
Morning.
@TedShifrin Speaking of sheaves, I realized why you used to say I should learn some sheaf theory in the context of complex analysis. Localization of the coordinate ring at the Zariski open sets gives you sheaf of regular functions on the variety, which looks like an analogue for sheaf of holomorphic functions on complex manifolds.
Seems pointeless to trying to study the former without knowing the latter.
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Well, it's not pointless, but people like me think that continuous mathematics gives perhaps a bit more intuition for algebraic mathematics.
@TedShifrin I'll have to learn it at some point, but I have to learn multivariable calculus before that -- which I am trying to do.
I am too slow. Can't go through everything so fast.
In many ways, I still believe you've gone way too fast.
Well, that's past tense. I have decided it's no use going fast and learning theories and not being able to do exercises. I have been slow like this for about a year, not sure if you have noticed it.
In particular, I've been slow since I started learning topology.
I think it would actually be interesting for you ot take some kind of test, just to see how much you've absorbed and retained. Predominant theory about learning is you need so-called 'spaced repetition' to really retain something new. Going over it several times over a period of several days.
"Spiral learning"
I often used to tell my students that I threw stuff at them, not really expecting them to understand it thoroughly the first time, so that when they saw it a second (and third ...) time they'd actually get it :P
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Well, I think about a couple problem for a few days and come up with solutions, if you'd call that test, @KevinDriscoll
He means a more comprehensive set of questions, I suspect, @Balarka. Like a final exam for a course.
I usually pick a book, read some theory, see if I can do the exercise, come back to theory if I can't, and so on and so forth.
I don't have a set of questions with me except the exercises at the back of my book
@TedShifrin Interesting exercise I have already discussed (with Mike?) here, but not sure you saw it : $M$ be a projective $A$-module, $\wp \subset A$ a prime ideal. then $M_\wp$ is a free $A_\wp$-module.
Here's the proof I came up with :
I haven't thought about this stuff in way too long.
Let's prove in general that f.g. projective modules over local rings are free. $M$ be your module, $A$ a local ring with maximal ideal $\mathfrak{m}$ and residue field $k$. By finite generation, there is a short exact sequence $0 \to N \to A^n \to M \to 0$ where the third map sends the basis of $A^n$ to the generators of $M$, $N$ being the kernel.
tensor with $k$ to get the short exact sequence $0 \to N \otimes k \to k^n \to M \otimes k \to 0$.
Now, $M \otimes k = M/\mathfrak{m}M$ and $k^n$ has same dimension as $k$-vector spaces, so that map is an isomorphism.
Hence, $N \otimes k = N/\mathfrak{m}N = 0$. But then, by Nakayama's lemma (which applies as things are all finitely generated and $\mathfrak{m}$ is contained in the jacobson radical, which is just itself), $N = 0$.
Why do they have the same dimension?
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Plugging this in the short exact sequence gives isomorphism $A^n \cong M$.
@TedShifrin $A^n$ has the same number of generators as $M$, by construction. Tensoring these generators gives basis over $k$. So you have an equality of the cardinaility of the basis.
I don't buy this. You could certainly throw in extra generators and get a larger kernel.
I have constructed $A^n$ so that it's generated by the same number of generators as $M$ over $A$.
I should have made that clear above, sorry
I'm not sure this isn't begging the question.
Why is the number of generators of $M$ well-defined?
hmm? what do you mean?
@TedShifrin $M$ is a finitely generated $A$-module.
So by definition, you have a finite set of generators.
But there are lots of presentations.
So you are using well-ordering to get a "smallest" presentation?
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Yes.
The smallest set of generators, that is
Remember that there are in general all sorts of subtleties involving generators and ranks of modules. I don't recall them all, but there are.
hmm, I guess you have a point.
See y'all later.
bu-bye.
@Ted btdubs, that exercise is very similar to what happens with vector bundles, I found.
and it turned out there's a thing called Serre-Swan theorem out there. pretty fun.
Is propositional calculus consistent and complete?
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@Simeon As I recall first order predicate logic is. I would have to look up the proof. You don't get Quantifiers (for all, there exists) though. I think that perhaps second order is as well. It's been a long time but I think the proofs are elementary.
@DanielFischer Let $f(z)$ be a function defined inside the unit circle by a power series and defined elsewhere by analytic continuation. Let's say that you encounter this series, but the series is being evaluated at the point $z=4$. Do you know of any application where it might be appropriate to interpret the divergent series as $f(4)$?
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@RandomVariable No, I have never seen a situation where that sort of interpretation is appropriate. I've seen people say that that makes sense, but I don't know when it would make sense.
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@DanielFischer It was brought up in an email that a professor sent me. I sent an email back to the professor asking how such an interpretation could be justified, but he never responded.
@rrogers @simeon Yes, both the propositional logic and First Order Logic are sound and complete. That includes quantifiers.
@rrogers The proof is not very enlightening, to be honest. Soundness is pretty trivial (just check that valuations behave correctly, which they do by construction). Adequacy is done by constructing a maximal consistent subset of the propositions from the language, and showing that the indicator function on that subset is in fact a valuation.
@RandomVariable I know of exactly such a situation. Consider the quantum anharmonic oscillatior with potential $V= \frac{x^2}{2} + \epsilon x^4$
If one does perturbation theory assuming that $\epsilon$ is small you get a divergent series. In fact, the series converges almost nowhere so its slightly different than your example but there are many example where the series does converge in some radius, but not where you want. Suppose you are interested in $\epsilon = 1$
So you have a representation of a function $f(x,\epsilon)$ which diverges for all $\epsilon >0$
Simply setting $\epsilon = 1$ in your divergent series gives you nonsense. However, if you can find a different representation of the function $f$ that DOES converge when $\epsilon = 1$ and agrees with your divergent series as a power series when $\epsilon \sim 0$
Then you can use that alternate representation of the function $f$ to just set $\epsilon = 1$ and fine the answer. Such a representation is given, I think, by the Pade approximants that agree with your divergent series.
The Pade approximants in this case converge rigorously for $\epsilon = 1$ in this problem
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@KevinDriscoll Very interesting.
@Mike I noted earlier that a contradiction can be found by looking for non-nullhomotopic maps $K(G, 1) \to X$ for simply connected $X$. An explicit counterexample is the map $T^2 \to S^2$ obtained from taking a little disk on $T^2$, pinching the complement to a point. This is not nullhomotopic because by long exact sequence, we have the sequence H_2(punctured torus) --> H_2(torus) --> H_2(S^2) --> H_1(punctured torus). the snake map here is zero, so you have an isom on H^2.
(we've talked about why the snake map is zero before, geometrically, so i'm not writing it up again)
hey @Kaj, @Soham.
I was in an ergodic number theory talk today. Must be similar to the arithmetic dynamics thing you guys do.
I didn't want to create a whole new thread but does anyone know of problems or a field where there is an intersection between stochastic differential equations and fluid dynamics?
how's life, btw, @Kaj?
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Maybe @BalarkaSen. I don't know anything about ergodic number theory.
It's good @BalarkaSen. I am enjoying my classes so far.
@KajHansen Me neither, really. I didn't understand the ergodic part of the talk.
But the gist is, there is a theorem of Meyer which says every indefinite rational quadratic form of $n$ variables, $n \geq 5$, has a solution in $\Bbb Z^n -\{0\}$
@Balarka: Good. In general maps on homotopy groups can tell you very little about the maps. For instance, there's a non-null map $K(\Bbb Z/2) \to K(\Bbb Z,2)$.
@DanielFischer Hi. I have an operator theory related question. Do you mind having a look at this:
Define for any $ f \in \mathcal{H}$ol(a), where $a$ is an element of a Banach algebra $\mathcal{A}$, the function $$f(a) = \frac{1}{2 \pi i} \int_{\Gamma}f(z)(z-a)^{-1}dz \in \mathcal{A}$$

given that $f: \Omega \to \mathcal{C}$ is analytic and $\Gamma$ is any finite collection of closed ctonours with $Ran(\Gamma) \subset \Omega$ and $\text{Ind}_{\Gamma}(z) = 1$ for all $z$ in $\alpha(a)$, where $\alpha(a)$ is the spectrum of $a$. If we define $$\Phi(f) := f(a) := \frac{1}{2 \pi i}\int_{\Gamma}
Now seeing this, Oppenheimer conjectured that for any indefinite irrational quadratic form $Q$ of $n$ vars, $n \geq 5$, $Q(\Bbb Z^n)$is dense in $\Bbb R$
Now, is a map that's 0 on all homotopy and homology (and hence cohomology) groups between CW complexes null?
18:21
Davernport actually conjectured this with $n \geq 3$, but that doesn't matter. It actually fails for $n < 3$. Example : $\sqrt{3} x - y^2$ or something like that.
@RandomVariable If you want to learn more, I think the relevant material is covered in Chapter 8 of Advanced Mathematical Methods for Scientists and Engineers by Bender & Orsazg and also in a series of youtube lectures on Mathematical Physics by Carl Bender
@MikeMiller I don't know. I was going to ask something like that.
If you become convinced it's true, and if it is, I'll sketch a proof.
@Kaj So Ranganathan came up with a stronger conjecture about Lie groups (note how this is slowly going out of the realm of number theory now) which implies, via his observations, the Davenport-Oppenheimer conjecture.
@KevinDriscoll In my case the professor was interpreting a hypergeometric series outside its radius of convergence as the analytic continuation of that series.
18:24
And to prove that, you need some ergodic theory, related to the action of lie groups of cosets, etc. You measure some distance between the identity coset and your cosets after being acted on, I think, and you come up with something like that identity coset being isolated or something.
I didn't follow the last thing. Maybe I'll try to read the skeleton of the proof at some point of time, but that time is not now.
@MikeMiller Hmm, ok. I don't think it is true.
@Moses Expand $(z-a)^{-1}$ in a geometric series. Mumble mumble converges uniformly on $\Gamma$, hence exchange integration and summation, and you have a convergent power series with powers of $a$.
I am pretty surprised that homology could capture homotopic properties better than homotopy groups in my example, now that I think about it.
@RandomVariable Usually whether these things work or not depends sensitively on the problem being studied. In general, divergent series are divergent, end of story. But if the divergent series arises in the study of a particular problem, and one expects that the problem has a well-defined solution even outside the radius of convergence of the series then there is often something that can be done to reconstruct that answer from your divergent series.
Justifying this rigorously can only be done in a small number of cases that depend on which problem is being studied.
So if the hypergeometric series arose as a solution to some differential equation say near $z=0$ then there might be a good reason to think you can construct the solution near $z=4$ from that
@KevinDriscoll It arises from evaluating a definite integral involving Bessel functions.
@RandomVariable Ah and so the integral can't be done in general? But expanding near $z=0$ you can integrate term by term (which is allowed here because the integral is uniformly convergent, maybe?) and that leads to a power series in $z$
and then you want to see what's the answer near $z=4$?
or rather not because the integral is uniformaly convergent but because the power series is uniformly convergent here
18:40
i've got an operator theory question myself, about something i have no rigorous background in
(and which is also about resolvents, hah)
(I've yet to meet a physics student who has a rigorous background in operator theory)
aye. we get a lot of practice at the practical level due to quantum, but rigour? pshhh
I tried learning some Fredholm theory about an integral equation I was working with. Turned out I never udnerstood any of it, but it didn't matter because hte type of equation I had has not really been studied yet rigorously
anyways! let $H=-D^2+V(x)$ with $V(x)$ some confining potential (real on the real axis, bounded below, unbounded above)
as a confining potential, the spectrum of $H$ over square-integrable functions is discrete
which means that the resolvent $(H-x)^{-1}$ has poles on the positive real axis (assuming that $V(x)$ is bounded below by zero)
my question: what can be said about the analyticity of the resolvent elsewhere in the complex plane?
(perhaps a simpler version: what assumptions on $V(x)$ are sufficient to guarantee that the resolvent is analytic away from the discrete spectrum?)
@KevinDriscoll Actually, I was attempting to evaluate it exactly in terms of generalized hypergeometric functions.
18:49
which $_pF_q$, out of curiousity?
thanks. i wish i could find better references on simplifying hypergeometric functions
@Semiclassical So I can't be sure but I THINK it's actually analytic everywhere away form the poles and the only poles are at the bound state energies. Usually what one does, for example in the Lippmann-Schwinger equation, is work with $(H - x + i \epsilon)$.
Ya Mathematica is actually quite bad sometimes at simplyifying hypergeometric guys
preaching to the choir there
it's also bad at simplifying elliptic integrals
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Q: An arctan integral $\int_0^{\infty } \frac{\arctan(x)}{x \left(x^2+1\right)^5} \, dx$

Chris's sis the artistAccording to Mathematica, we have that $$\int_0^{\infty } \frac{\arctan(x)}{x \left(x^2+1\right)^5} \, dx=\pi \left(\frac{\log (2)}{2}-\frac{1321}{6144}\right)$$ that frankly speaking looks pretty nice. However Mathematica shows that $$\int \frac{\arctan(x)}{x \left(x^2+1\right)^5} \, dx$$ ...

18:53
@KevinDriscoll sounds right, but i'd like a rigorous ref
@Chris'ssistheartist i can sense an extremely cunning contour somewhere
@Semiclassical Ya there's lots of things about special functions it doesn't understand. You can see I have several posts on the mathematica stack exchange all of the form "Why doesn't Mathematica understand [integral involving Bessel functions with a known solution]"
@DanielFischer Is this correct so far? So you have $(z - a)^{-1} = C(z)\sum_{k=0}^{\infty}a^{k}$ for some constant $C(z)$. This gives $\int_{\Gamma} C(z) f(z) \sum a^{k} dz = \sum \int_{\Gamma}C(z)f(z) a^{k} dz$
@RandomVariable I was running into a $_3F_2$ myself lately, let me see if i can recollect it
18:57
@RandomVariable And so the problem is your version of $_3F_2$ has some pole near $4$ or something? Or is it regular there?
19:09
found it, finally: $_3F_2(-\frac12,-\frac12,n+1;1,n+2|1)$
@Moses Not a constant $C(z)$. You have $$(z-a)^{-1} = z^{-1}(1-z^{-1}a)^{-1} = \sum_{k = 0}^\infty z^{-1-k}a^k$$ provided that series converges. If you have a nice $f$, you can always choose $\Gamma$ such that $\lvert z\rvert > \lVert a\rVert$ on $\Gamma$. But if $f$ is only holomorphic in a small neighbourhood of the spectrum, there's more work to do. You can't then always expand into a geometric series on $\Gamma$, but the end result is as if you could.
if there's some nice answer to that, then a certain MSE question has a nice resolution
and it really should be something nice, since it's evaluated at 1
(though, alas, $_3F_2$ evaluated at 1 isn't nearly as nice as $_2F_1$ at 1)
Been working on this all day:
7,410,852.963 =

Anyone know what I've been doing?
19:25
programming a calculator?
@KevinDriscoll The problem is that the professor interpreted the series as the analytic continuation of the function at $z=4$. But the series doesn't define the function outside the unit circle.
@anon yep, exactly right. :-)
@KevinDriscoll That didn't quite sound right. What I meant to say was that he interpreted the series at $z=4$ as the analytic continuation of the function at $z=4$. But the series doesn't converge outside the unit circle and doesn't define the function outside the unit circle.
@PatrickStevens Thanks! Now that you mention it I seem to recall the identifier function. Do you know if CoQ has a proof of it? As I recall it seemed that the proof was reaching a little (like the axiom of choice or some such); but I never found anything wrong.
19:40
@Semiclassical There are only a handful of identities I know off the top of my head, and most of them are $_2F_1$ identities.
@rrogers It requires choice in the case that the language is uncountable - uses Zorn to construct the maximal consistent set. CoQ as in the proof assistant? No idea, sorry :(
@rrogers Doesn't need choice for a countable language (for either the predicate calculus or the propositional calculus). I believe it does need choice for a general uncountable language.
19:56
@DanielFischer Okay I get that you choose the contour larger than the spectral radius. So you get $$\frac{1}{2 \pi i} \sum\limits_{ k= 0}^{\infty}\int_{\Gamma}f(z)z^{-1-k}a^{k}dz.$$ I may be way off here but do you then get $$\frac{1}{2 \pi i}\sum_{k=0}^{\infty}\int_{\Gamma}f(z)z^{-1-k}a^{k}dz = \int_{a}^{b}f(\Gamma(t))(\Gamma(t))^{-1-k}a^{k}\Gamma'(t)dt$$?
@Semiclassical The reduce program says that hypersum(\{a,a,n+1\}, \{1,n+2\},1,n) Has two solutions Odd and Even n:$\left\{ \frac{(- 1)^{\frac{n}{2}} (n + 1) !n!}{4^n \left( \frac{n}{2}
\right) !^2 \mathrm{pochhammer} \left( \frac{- a + 3}{2}, \frac{n}{2}
\right)^2} \hspace{0.17em} \mathrm{, \hspace{0.17em}} \hspace{0.17em} $\frac{(-
1)^{\frac{n}{2}} \left( \frac{n - 1}{2} \right) ! \left( \frac{n + 1}{2}
\right) !i (- 2 a^2 - 3)}{3 \mathrm{pochhammer} \left( \frac{- a + 4}{2},
\frac{n - 1}{2} \right)^2} \right\}$
@Moses It's better to forget about a parametrisation, just note that interchanging summation and integration gives you $$\sum_{k = 0}^\infty \Biggl(\frac{1}{2\pi i} \int_\Gamma \frac{f(z)}{z^{k+1}}\,dz\Biggr)\cdot a^k.$$
@DanielFischer That makes a bit more sense.
@Semiclassical That was the latex copy out of TexMacs; if you have a hard time reading it I can do somethin else. pdf, or some such.... I am not familiar with this forum's math display capabilities.
@DanielFischer This is then just a mapping into $\text{Alg}(1,a)$. Do we need to state that it is a mapping into the norm closure i.e. $\overline{\text{Alg}(1,a)}$?
20:09
Am i missing something or?? Suppose we have infinite dimensional separable Hilbert space. If some operator is compact $T$ on that space then $T^{-1}$ doesn't exists (because then also $I$ would be compact..), $0 \in \sigma(T)$. Also, if $T$ is strict positive operator then $\sigma (T) \subset (0,\infty)$. So, if I am not wrong, I conclude that there is no both compact and strict positive operators on that Hilbert space?
@Moses $\operatorname{Alg}(1,a)$ contains only polynomials in $a$, the power series (when convergent) is then an element of the closure, and usually it's not an element of the algebra itself (it can be if $a$ satisfies an algebraic identity for example).
@Cortizol Right, provided that strictly positive means $\langle x, Tx\rangle \geqslant \delta\lVert x\rVert^2$ for some $\delta > 0$. If it only means $\langle x, Tx\rangle > 0$ for $x\neq 0$, then the spectrum can contain $0$.
@RandomVariable yes?
Morning.
@DanielFischer So if we define in that second way then it's not true in global that $\sigma(T) \subset (0,\infty)$?
@Cortizol Right, then you can only say $\sigma(T) \subset [0,+\infty)$.
20:17
@Chris'ssistheartist Sorry. I pressed "enter" before I was finished typing. The answer I posted was downvoted. It's been a very long time since something I posted was downvoted.
@DanielFischer Okay so just to confirm: $\text{Alg}(1,a)$ is just the linear span of $\{1,a\}$ and hence it contains only polynomials. Hence the convergent series my not me a polynomial, but as a convergent series it's partial sums are a convergent sequence in $\text{Alg}(1,a)$, hence it is in the closure.
@RandomVariable Sorry to hear that. I upvoted you. Well, simply ignore the downvotes. My question was downvoted too.
@Chris'ssistheartist I was originally going to post it as a comment. I should have done that.
@DanielFischer But than I don't understand why we define in that way... (and I learned in that way in one course..). But I know that if we define that that positive (for arbitrary $C^*$ algebra, $a \in A$) means $a=a^*$ and $\sigma(A) \subset [0,\infty)$ is actually equivalent for $B(H)$ with definition $\langle Tx,x \rangle$. But it looks that definitions for strict positivity is not equivalent
@Moses It's not the linear span of $\{1,a\}$, that would consist of the polynomials of degree $\leqslant 1$. But $\operatorname{Alg}(1,a)$ is the linear span of $\{a^k : k \in \mathbb{N}\}$ (where of course $0\in \mathbb{N}$ in case you are used to a different convention), so the linear combinations of finitely many powers of $a$, i.e. the polynomials in $a$.
20:21
@RandomVariable No, it's OK you posted the answer, I'll also learn some more complex analysis. Never cease posting your solutions to my questions, they are always welcome. Again, ignore the downvoters. :-)
@Cortizol Why we define what in that way?
@DanielFischer Thanks for all the help!
Welcome.
@DanielFischer In $C^*$ we define that element $a \in A$ is positive if $a=a^*$ and $\sigma(a) \subset [0,\infty)$. And we can prove that in case of $B(H)$ (special case of $C^*$ algebra) that definition for some operator $T$ is equivalent with $\langle Tx,x \rangle \geqslant 0$ for all $x \in H$.

Then, I say, it awkward to me that definition in $C^*$ for strict positivity which says $a=a^*$ and $\sigma(A) \subset (0,\infty)$ is not equivalent (for case $B(H)$) with $\langle Tx,x \rangle >0$ for all $x \neq 0$.
I'm unfamiliar with all that unfortunately @BalarkaSen
20:31
@Cortizol Okay. But is strict positivity in $B(H)$ defined as positive definiteness of $\langle\,\cdot,\,T\,\cdot\,\rangle$?
@DanielFischer Well, yes. (just for note: stuff about $C^*$ I am learning in one course, and that definition with $\langle T \cdot, \cdot \rangle$ in other course (which is before this one and is more about Measure theory and Banach/Hilbert spaces and spectral theorems...)
@Cortizol Well, get used to the fact that different people use different conventions and definitions. Also, the same people often use different conventions in different circumstances.
@DanielFischer Okay. And I meant strict positive definiteness ($>$ for all $\neq 0$). Just, I was really happy when I saw that this two definitions are equivalent for positive operators in $B(H)$, but now I am a little sad when I know that for strict positive operators that is not true.
@RandomVariable why did you delete your answer?
@Chris'ssistheartist Because I didn't like the fact that I didn't determine the residue by hand. That's probably why it was downvoted. But you can still see it, right?
20:42
There are worse things that can happen than to be downvoted, really. The last time I was suspended while I was defending a very good book by Paul Nahin whereas some here were making fun of it.
No offence to anyone, just saying.
@RandomVariable Sure.
@KajHansen Don't worry, I am too.
:P
@RandomVariable Umberto P.'s solution is very useful also for the supplementary question, it makes it to easy.
@RandomVariable Do you see a way to approach that one by complex analysis?
@Chris'ssistheartist As I said, I really wanted to post that as comment, not an answer.
But the Oppenheim-Davenport conjecture you should read up a little carefully, if you care. It's a charming conjecture.
@RandomVariable I'm referring now to the supplementary question.
20:45
Thanks @BalarkaSen
@DanielFischer I have one question related to question that Moses asked you. Namely, we define holomorphic functional calculus as $\Psi(f)=\frac{1}{2\pi} \int_{\Gamma} .......$ for $f \in H(\sigma(a))$, and then we say (first prove for entire functions) $\Psi(f)=f(a)$. I have two questions:

1. when we say $f \in H(\sigma(a))$ we assume that $f$ maps to $\mathbb{C}$?

2. when we say $\int_{\Gamma} f(\lambda) (\lambda - a)^{-1} d\lambda$, okay, $\Gamma$ is contour in $\mathbb{C}$, so this is just line integral (??), but we have (formal) some element of algebra inside that integral and I don'
@RandomVariable When you're donwvoted it doesn't necessarily mean you did something wrong. Someone can simply test the downvote on you, say, or for other reasons of this type.
@Cortizol Yes, $f$ is an ordinary complex-valued holomorphic function defined on some neighbourhood of $\sigma(a)$. The line integral is now an integral of a function with values in $A$ (if we call our algebra $A$), so it's a bit more complicated than line integrals of $\mathbb{C}$-valued functions.
@Chris'ssistheartist For the supplementary problem, the integrand is odd. Usually that's a problem.
@DanielFischer I suppose in Rudin I can see that formalism?
20:54
@Cortizol Yes, he treats that.
@DanielFischer Okay. Thank you Daniel for helping me.
@RandomVariable Indeed.
Does someone of you have an idea for the edit part of my question:
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Q: Why is there a $p\in \mathbb{N}$ such that $mr - p < \frac{1}{10}$?

Mary StarI am reading the following part of the paper of Denef : Let $R$ be a commutative ring with unity and let $D(x_1,\dots , x_n)$ be a relation in $R$. We say that $D (x_1,\dots , x_n)$ is diophantine over $R$ if there exists a polynomial $P(x_1,\dots , x_n,y_1,\dots ,y_m)$ over $R$ such that for ...

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Hello people.
How's it going?
21:25
@PedroTamaroff s l o w l y, apparently.
@DanielFischer I posted an answer that I intended to post as a comment because I didn't want to do a tedious residue calculation. The answer got a few upvotes but was then downvoted. I then deleted my answer. Did I do the right thing in your opinion?
21:40
@RandomVariable It's your opinion that is most important there. Do you think it's good? If you deleted it just because somebody downvoted, that's not a good reason. If you deleted it because you don't think it's really good, and the downvote was just a trigger, that's fine.
Night, all.
22:22
Hi @PedroTamaroff :)
Do you have holidays now? @PedroTamaroff
 
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23:54
For the non-abelian Lie-algebra isomorphism class, with basis $\{x,y\}$ and bracket $[x,y]=x$ - I saw a comment somewhere saying that this is a confusion way to write it, since it's actually $[x,y]=z$ where $z$ I.e. if you put in $[ax,by]$ you wouldn't get $[ax,by]=ax$, can someone clarify?
I mean I certainly do find $[x,y]=x$ to be a confusing bracket, since $[x,y]=-[y,x]\implies x=-y$?

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